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David Garrard waived by Jaguars, McCown to start Week One (1 Viewer)

I agree with the deep ball thinking.. stretching the field is a clear priority.. two reasons.. 1) using the speed of Jason Hill (who is quite capable of getting deep on most ~ not all~ DBs) in order to open up things underneath for Thomas.. and 2).. hopefully allow MJD more room to work.. now with that said.. whether or not the O Line allows that to happen is a totally different story.. ..and additional thought is the potential which I have heard is clearing some $$ to try and bring in a Donnie Avery.. (don't be surprised if Laurent Robinson isn't invited in for a workout either) ..time will tell but I'm pretty much convinced that is the thinking here..

 
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'Aaron Rudnicki said:
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Reading the comments from Del Rio on the Jags website, this wasn't a salary move, and he won't be re-signing. JDR said they wanted to give Garrard every opportunity to earn the job but at the end of the day, he just didn't.
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sounds like spin to me. why wait until now to make the move if it wasn't salary-driven?
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Because they didn't want Garrard to sign somewhere that could hurt them. I honestly don't see this as a huge surprise. The TIMING makes it surprising, but let's not forget several people close to the team, including Charlie Bernstein at Scout.com, said McCown could get the starting nod and Garrard his release as far back as late April, early May.It seemed like headline grabbing at the time, admittedly, but this was a case where the fire followed the smoke.I just think it's kind of funny that people were actually counting on Garrard to help their fantasy teams this year. In 16-team leagues, I get it, but in 10- and 12-team leagues, he shouldn't have been rostered in the first place.
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Cutting Garrard and starting McCown has been discussed ad nauseum locally. This was not completely out of the blue except for the timing. I suspect they tried to trade him since Saturday and found no takers.
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The trade thing is the only explanation that really makes sense, but usually when a team starts shopping their starting QB word starts to get out. I this move by the Jags is pretty cold, but I also don't think anyone can argue that Garrard was an $8 million QB.
 
Schefter reported that he was in talks with 3 teams on Espn this morning and could sign as early as today. So assuming that he can be the starter right now on multiple teams lets talk fantasy upgrades.

Most likely candidates:

SF- vernon davis, braylon edwards, michael crabtree, gore

Mia - marshall, bess, bush

Sea - sidney rice, zach miller, lynch/forsett?, BMW

was - moss, cooley/fred davis, hightower,

Cin - aj, gresham,simpson?

There might be some value with those later picks wherever he ends up. Ill go with SF/Sea because its a weak division and would be up for grabs if he is inserted there.

Who am i missing?

Im excited for an already deep te pool

 
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Schefter reported that he was in talks with 3 teams on Espn this morning and could sign as early as today. So assuming that he can be the starter right now on multiple teams lets talk fantasy upgrades. Most likely candidates:SF- vernon davis, braylon edwards, michael crabtree, goreMia - marshall, bess, bushSea - sidney rice, zach miller, lynch/forsett?, BMWwas - moss, cooley/fred davis, hightower,Cin - aj, gresham,simpson?There might be some value with those later picks wherever he ends up. Ill go with SF/Sea because its a weak division and would be up for grabs if he is inserted there.Who am i missing?Im excited for an already deep te pool
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I was thinking Seattle and San Fran would be the most likely. But the Schefter news caught me off guard a little because I didn't expect those teams to sign him this week when his money would be guaranteed. Maybe the Redskins would make such a move? It would be somewhat like the Plummer signing in Denver. Shanny seems to like mobile QBs who don't turn the ball over, might be something there.
 
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Schefter reported that he was in talks with 3 teams on Espn this morning and could sign as early as today. So assuming that he can be the starter right now on multiple teams lets talk fantasy upgrades. Most likely candidates:SF- vernon davis, braylon edwards, michael crabtree, goreMia - marshall, bess, bushSea - sidney rice, zach miller, lynch/forsett?, BMWwas - moss, cooley/fred davis, hightower,Cin - aj, gresham,simpson?There might be some value with those later picks wherever he ends up. Ill go with SF/Sea because its a weak division and would be up for grabs if he is inserted there.Who am i missing?Im excited for an already deep te pool
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I was thinking Seattle and San Fran would be the most likely. But the Schefter news caught me off guard a little because I didn't expect those teams to sign him this week when his money would be guaranteed. Maybe the Redskins would make such a move? It would be somewhat like the Plummer signing in Denver. Shanny seems to like mobile QBs who don't turn the ball over, might be something there.
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I would be all over fred davis if this happened, i forgot to ask what others think this does to garrards value. I would think top 15 high end qb2?
 
Dont mean to keep bumping this thread but thought this was noteworthy from rotoworld

Then a Raiders assistant, current 49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh reportedly had an "early-round grade" on free agent David Garrard when he came out of East Carolina in the 2002 draft.

Harbaugh also had an early-round grade on Tony Romo, who went undrafted, and "late-round" grades on David Carr (1st overall) and Joey Harrington (No. 3). Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee is just speculating, but seems to believe Garrard will at least be considered by the 49ers. Garrard's agent told ESPN's Adam Schefter Wednesday that he's gotten calls from five unnamed teams.

 
according to incarcerated bob this is now up to 6 teams

http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2011/09/07/twitter-seattle-seahawks-interested-in-david-garrard/

I generally take tweets from unconfirmed accounts and random people with a grain of salt, but throughout the off-season user “incarceratedbob” has generally been dead on about free agency news.

According to his tweet, the Seahawks are one of four serious suitors for Garrards services along with the 49ers, Dolphins, and Redskins:

“@incarceratedbob Source: David Garrard has been contacted by 6 NFL teams (Dolphins/49ers/Seahawks/Redskins) the most serious at this time”

That list makes a ton of sense, Garrard would be an upgrade at quarterback for every one of those teams.

I will keep things updated on this throughout the day, including the merit of this twitter rumor. With as many as six teams interested in his services, look for something to maybe get done within the next 24-48 hours.

 
'Hipple said:
according to incarcerated bob this is now up to 6 teams

http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2011/09/07/twitter-seattle-seahawks-interested-in-david-garrard/

I generally take tweets from unconfirmed accounts and random people with a grain of salt, but throughout the off-season user “incarceratedbob” has generally been dead on about free agency news.

According to his tweet, the Seahawks are one of four serious suitors for Garrards services along with the 49ers, Dolphins, and Redskins:

“@incarceratedbob Source: David Garrard has been contacted by 6 NFL teams (Dolphins/49ers/Seahawks/Redskins) the most serious at this time”

That list makes a ton of sense, Garrard would be an upgrade at quarterback for every one of those teams.

I will keep things updated on this throughout the day, including the merit of this twitter rumor. With as many as six teams interested in his services, look for something to maybe get done within the next 24-48 hours.
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RotoworldCoach Pete Carroll has ruled out the possibility of the Seahawks pursuing free agent David Garrard.

Asked Wednesday if Seattle would make a quarterback upgrade, Carroll replied "No. There will be none," adding that the Seahawks are "very set" at the position. They're set alright, if the goal is to select Andrew Luck with the first overall pick in the 2012 draft. Carroll reiterated that Tarvaris Jackson is locked in as the Seahawks' starter. Charlie Whitehurst will back him up.

Related: Tarvaris Jackson, Seahawks

Source: John Boyle on Twitter Sep 7 - 3:30 PM

Lol what a joke

 
I'll take this bum in Seattle only because he is better than T-joke and maybe he can get BMW a few touchdowns and I can rip off another owner. I prefer him in Wash or Cincy where he can't inflict damage to my fantasy team.

 
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I'll take this bum in Seattle only because he is better than T-joke and maybe he can get BMW a few touchdowns and I can rip off another owner. I prefer him in Wash or Cincy where he can't inflict damage to my fantasy team.
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Who's cares about your ####### team except you ?
 
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
I can't wait for the next rant someone posts about players honoring the contracts that they signed.
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Exactly. This is why, even though I think Lance Briggs is a greedy mofo for demanding a trade or restructuring every other year from the Bears, I don't truly fault or hate him over it.
 
Tania covers the Jaguars for the local paper and does a pretty good job.

@taniaganguli David Garrard said he needs to think about whether he still wants to play. He doesn't want to make a rash decision. #Jaguars
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I'm sure a lot of people will be :confused: about this tweet. Like I've said before, there is a lot more going on in this situation than the 20 second ESPN splash will cover.
 
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'Mello said:
'Mr.Pack said:
Why wouldn't the Colts already have him in town?
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Because they've already worked a couple of weeks to teach Collins the offense. I don't see why they would look at Gerrard.
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Because Collins is 100 and Garrard could teach them anything they don't already know about the Jaguars offense.
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I would suspect that the Colts are far more concerned with their own offense than that of the Jags. Garrard isn't exactly the picture of youth either at 33. I would think the Colts would be better served allowing themselves to live or die with what they have and address the future of their QB situation after the season. A team like Seattle or Washington with older coaches, who need to produce wins now, combined with terrible QB situations would seem a better fit. In reality, he would definitely be an upgrade to TJax but probably not Grossman.
 
To my mind, Jackson's comments about not being sure he wants to continue playing football translate into, "I'm livid because all the calls I've gotten have been from team's that won't promise me anything more than a short-term deal and a backup role."

 
'Jason Wood said:
To my mind, Jackson's comments about not being sure he wants to continue playing football translate into, "I'm livid because all the calls I've gotten have been from team's that won't promise me anything more than a short-term deal and a backup role."
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That may be the case, but David made comments during the first preseason game which he sat out due to a back injury referencing considering his life after football, and not wanting to stay in the game to the point he ruins his body. It was strange because his answer wasn't related to the question asked and it seemed like he just volunteered the information. There are also those locally that will tell you that David was disinterested throughout the preseason and basically forced the Jaguars to make a move. While that is all hearsay from vague sources, I'm not positive his heart is still in the game.
 
Q&A with Garrard

It's an interesting read. So highlights related to his future:

-"My next step is, I'll let the Lord guide my steps. Whatever it is, wherever it is I'm sure it'll be for a reason and I'll be happy in the place that I'm in. If it's football or if it's not. If it's just family life. I'm a big family guy. But I want that time to be there when it's supposed to be. It's always going to be there for me but football isn't. I want to make sure I weigh all my options right and do the right thing."

-"I still have a fire inside of me and I feel like I want to get after it if that's the way the Lord is directing my steps. I don't want to do anything just off emotional impulse just because I've had a lot going on here. I want to make sure I am mentally and physically, I know physically I'm fine, I just want to make sure that I know, and I do know mentally I am ready. I am still that guy that wants to be a leader on the field. I feel too good not to be but that's just me talking. I want to make sure spiritually everything's aligned too."

-"My wife says one man's trash is one thing, it's another man's, I guess, treasure. That's awesome. If that is how it is, I know that I'm her treasure and my son's treasure and then a new little treasure that we have on the way. There's a lot of things to look forward to, a lot of positives in life. I'm in a good place."

-"There's definitely things that are behind the scenes working. There's definitely things going on and that's a positive thing, to know other teams are interested in you. I want to make sure I'm doing the right things for myself and for my family. I don't want to just jump into something just to jump into it. I just want to make sure we do enough praying and we do enough discussing."

 
Garrard or McCown- It doesn't matter. It's still the same boring, predictable offense regardless of who's behind center. I feel sorry for Gabbert once he gets his shot. He'll be weighed down by the same type of offense.

 
'Mr. Brownstone said:
Garrard or McCown- It doesn't matter. It's still the same boring, predictable offense regardless of who's behind center. I feel sorry for Gabbert once he gets his shot. He'll be weighed down by the same type of offense.
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Hopefully not for long.

One week in Garrard wasn't missed and wasn't signed. Mayhaps it really was David Garrard the Jags cut and not Joe Montana in his prime as some people acted like.

 
'Wadsworth said:
'Mr. Brownstone said:
Garrard or McCown- It doesn't matter. It's still the same boring, predictable offense regardless of who's behind center. I feel sorry for Gabbert once he gets his shot. He'll be weighed down by the same type of offense.
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Hopefully not for long.

One week in Garrard wasn't missed and wasn't signed. Mayhaps it really was David Garrard the Jags cut and not Joe Montana in his prime as some people acted like.
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The writing was on the wall, but I guess that writing was not legible to many.He's an average QB who had a terrible preseason. I am still surprised that they didn't cut him at the cut down to 53.

 
McCown looked good in what he was asked to do, which wasn't much. He made a great 3rd down throw to Thomas to help seal the victory.

Other than that, I'm fairly certain he never through a ball more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage (maybe even 5 yards?).

Unless it was purely a product of it being week 1 and a guy who didn't get 1st team snaps all pre-season, it does make it hard to buy the "Koetter wants to open it up, but he couldn't with a guy like Garrard" notion.

If that were the case, then it further highlights the stupidity of giving a QB 1st team reps all pre-season and cutting him.

Very interested to see what they do in the coming weeks.

 
'Wadsworth said:
One week in Garrard wasn't missed and wasn't signed. Mayhaps it really was David Garrard the Jags cut and not Joe Montana in his prime as some people acted like.
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How do you know Garrard wasn't made an offer and refused it? I don't think anyone has acted like Garrard was Montana in his prime, and based on your exaggerations one could say that shows how much you really dislike him.
 
'Wadsworth said:
'Mr. Brownstone said:
Garrard or McCown- It doesn't matter. It's still the same boring, predictable offense regardless of who's behind center. I feel sorry for Gabbert once he gets his shot. He'll be weighed down by the same type of offense.
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Hopefully not for long.

One week in Garrard wasn't missed and wasn't signed. Mayhaps it really was David Garrard the Jags cut and not Joe Montana in his prime as some people acted like.
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No kidding. These guys kept this ham and egger around for years. How could they not know that their chances of a superbowl were zero? Sadly, SF and SEA would be upgraded with this guy. They won't go anywhere if they sign him, but he would be an upgrade. Expect SEA to ignore him as they are making a b-line for the #1 overall in 2012.
 
'simey said:
'Wadsworth said:
One week in Garrard wasn't missed and wasn't signed. Mayhaps it really was David Garrard the Jags cut and not Joe Montana in his prime as some people acted like.
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How do you know Garrard wasn't made an offer and refused it? I don't think anyone has acted like Garrard was Montana in his prime, and based on your exaggerations one could say that shows how much you really dislike him.
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I'd be surprised if David hasn't received offers, he's a decent QB and better than several starters.
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
I must have missed the downfield passing attack that McCown added to the offense this week.
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Aaron I am right there with you. I asked around about it after the game and this is the answer I got:Jags/Titans Dec. 5, 2010

The Titans beat the Jags 30 to 3, in the first meeting of the 2010 season. The second time around the Jags loaded up on the run(53 rushes vs 19 passes) and won the game 17-6. I'm hearing that it's a strategy you can expect the Jags to use vs the Titans until Tennessee makes them change it. In that game Garrard was 14/19 for 126 yards, so a very similar stat line to McCown this time. I'm not sure I 100% buy into that explanation, but it at least sounds reasonable.

 
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Garrard has offers, is waiting on the right one.

His agent told the Florida Times-Union on Monday that Garrard was not looking to be a “temporary fix” somewhere, and that he had heard from a number of teams. His agent told the Sacramento Bee he’s considering three teams, with a new one added to the mix after the weekend.
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Indy for sure.
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Indy was already on the list, I'd guess STL was the team added to the mix. San Fran being the 3rd option.
 
'Wadsworth said:
'Jason Wood said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Jason Wood said:
I just think it's kind of funny that people were actually counting on Garrard to help their fantasy teams this year. In 16-team leagues, I get it, but in 10- and 12-team leagues, he shouldn't have been rostered in the first place.
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he threw and ran for 28 touchdowns combined last year in 14 games, and Gabbert is nowhere near being ready.
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And yet finished QB14, didn't get the endorsement from his owner or coach, and was given a tight leash when the team drafted the heir apparent. That should tell you something. I would say we'll look back and remember Garrard in the same way we remember Aaron Brooks -- one of the most egregious examples of where fantasy stats completely belied the real world skill and value ascribed to the player.
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I agree and strongly suspect the interest around the NFL is far less than many on here seem to believe. I'm sure David ends up somewhere but I doubt there's the flood of interest some seem to expect.
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:popcorn:
 
it's not really a surprise that he hasn't signed anywhere yet. he was cut a few days before the season opened. by that point, teams have their starting QBs in place. it would be a big adjustment to bring a guy in and get him up to speed to the point where he's ready to start and be effective. So, the teams that do want him probably want him as a backup with a shot to start down the road but he's waiting for the right opportunity and doesn't feel pressured to sign at the first offer he gets.

 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
it's not really a surprise that he hasn't signed anywhere yet. he was cut a few days before the season opened. by that point, teams have their starting QBs in place. it would be a big adjustment to bring a guy in and get him up to speed to the point where he's ready to start and be effective. So, the teams that do want him probably want him as a backup with a shot to start down the road but he's waiting for the right opportunity and doesn't feel pressured to sign at the first offer he gets.
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That is likely the smart play for David. Signing with a bad team or backing up a solid starter won't do much for his bank account or future prospects. An injury could give him an opportunity to both play meaningful games and improve his chances of future work in the right situation. If David still wants to play, waiting a few weeks likely won't hurt and could help greatly. Leftwich signed pretty quickly after being cut into a terrible situation. I wonder if Byron gave him any advice.
 
'Wadsworth said:
'Wadsworth said:
'Jason Wood said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Jason Wood said:
I just think it's kind of funny that people were actually counting on Garrard to help their fantasy teams this year. In 16-team leagues, I get it, but in 10- and 12-team leagues, he shouldn't have been rostered in the first place.
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he threw and ran for 28 touchdowns combined last year in 14 games, and Gabbert is nowhere near being ready.
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And yet finished QB14, didn't get the endorsement from his owner or coach, and was given a tight leash when the team drafted the heir apparent. That should tell you something. I would say we'll look back and remember Garrard in the same way we remember Aaron Brooks -- one of the most egregious examples of where fantasy stats completely belied the real world skill and value ascribed to the player.
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I agree and strongly suspect the interest around the NFL is far less than many on here seem to believe. I'm sure David ends up somewhere but I doubt there's the flood of interest some seem to expect.
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:popcorn:
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I don't get your dislike for Garrard. Are you really still bent that he took the job away from your beloved Leftwich? IMO you have always seemed to want him to fail. Garrard might not be an elite QB, but he is a middle of the road QB, and he has always been a class act.
 
'drfeelgood said:
'Wadsworth said:
'Wadsworth said:
'Jason Wood said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Jason Wood said:
I just think it's kind of funny that people were actually counting on Garrard to help their fantasy teams this year. In 16-team leagues, I get it, but in 10- and 12-team leagues, he shouldn't have been rostered in the first place.
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he threw and ran for 28 touchdowns combined last year in 14 games, and Gabbert is nowhere near being ready.
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And yet finished QB14, didn't get the endorsement from his owner or coach, and was given a tight leash when the team drafted the heir apparent. That should tell you something. I would say we'll look back and remember Garrard in the same way we remember Aaron Brooks -- one of the most egregious examples of where fantasy stats completely belied the real world skill and value ascribed to the player.
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I agree and strongly suspect the interest around the NFL is far less than many on here seem to believe. I'm sure David ends up somewhere but I doubt there's the flood of interest some seem to expect.
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I don't get your dislike for Garrard. Are you really still bent that he took the job away from your beloved Leftwich? IMO you have always seemed to want him to fail. Garrard might not be an elite QB, but he is a middle of the road QB, and he has always been a class act.
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It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly football.
 
I really thought this move to release Garrard was a prequel to the Jags trading for Hometown hero, Tim Tebow. I guess I was wrong as something would have been done by now. Such a strange move. McCown is a has been who never was. He has never even had a career best year. Jacksonville has to be up to something. As a starting QB he was on nobodys radar. Could Gabbert be traded for Tebow?

Denver is going to have to give to the pressure of playing Tebow or moving him out of town cause his fans wont get any quieter.

 
Cutting Garrard after every other team has finalized their rosters is a #### move by Jacksonville. I'm surprised there hasn't been more backlash against the organization. Sure he's not homeless or anything but still.

 
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