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***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (3 Viewers)
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The 3 backs, Jennings, Wilson, and Hillis who arent afraid of contact.
Chris Johnson is the furthest thing from a Giant's type of running back that I can think of.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
The moment Johnson steps on the field, he's the starter. Don't get confused here. Jennings is a backup player. Wilson is a training room employment program. Hillis? Right.
Not to worry .... He wont be stepping on any field in a Giants uniform.
Chris Johnson is a track star not a RB ... he's afraid of contact.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/fantasy-football-today/24512126/chris-johnson-has-lost-his-ability-to-make-people-miss
http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/2750/chris-johnson-and-yards-after-contact
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Wanna cracker? We heard that the first time. I don't know or care if Johnson will be signed by the Giants, I just know he's better than anyone they have on the roster.
Johnson has run for about 8000 yards over 6 seasons the NFL. That's a RB. David Wilson has a broken neck and a tear stained pillow, Hillis has 4 career pink slips. Giants better hope they draft a guy if they don't sign CJ.
Banger
Footballguy
you keep saying that and yet he's been an effective RB for 6 seasons. His worst season is better than any of those guys. At this point, it doesn't matter how much they like contact the Giants have to worst backfield in the NFL.
First off ... If you think CJ had a better season than RJ in 2013 we'll have to disregard your opinion.
Second ... Tennessee Titans have a worse backfield than the Giants
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I watch every Giants game. I think you are underestimating what the Giants really want in their RB. Factor in exactly what Coughlin's philosophy is and you get a guy like Jennnigs. I get that Jennings won't exactly wow you, but I think you are not putting enough value on opportunity and what he does well that may make this a match made in heaven. Jennings is the prototypical power back he is 6'1 and 231 pounds and ran a 4.59 forty. Last year he was one of the leaders in all of the NFL in yards after contact. I think only Peterson had more than him. Jennings takes what the defense gives you. He gets north and south and makes postive plays when there is little there, he won't dance around. This is something Coughlin loves.
Not only will Coughlin love his hard nose running style but Jennings does not fumble the ball. He had none on his 163 rushing attempts last year and he has 3 fumbles on 387 career rushing attempts. Furthermore, Jennings has soft hands and catches the ball well out of the backfield. Then factor in that he blocks extremely well and will can get involved in the screen game, something the Giants were atrocious at last year and I think we are starting to see someone that could be quite good.
The giants targetted Jennings for a reason. He is going to start, and I think surprise a ton of people with how he is a true work horse RB. He is not a shiny new toy but that does not concern Coughlin. The last time the Giants featured an all purpose back who was able to stay healthy was in 2010 when Bradshaw ran for 1235 yards with 8 rushing td's. He also added 47 receptions for 314 yards.
Last year Jennings had 166 attempts for 733 yards with 6 tds and added 36 receptions for 292 yards in a part time role. When he starterd though he was very good.
Don't sleep on Jennings in the Giants offense with his opportunity and with Coughlin's philosophy.
Banger
Footballguy
1. 1422 yards + 10 tds > 1025 yards + 6 tds
2. Now that CJ has gone, yes but they will draft someone.
Koya
Footballguy
Contact is not the issue here. Just as running ability last year was not the issue with Wilson. It's pass blocking.
This staff won't care if you get 4.3 yards per carry by getting a lot of contact or by avoiding it, especially since they have multiple guys on the roster to get tough inside yards and/ or wear down opponents with contact.
Although some fanboys that I will not mention ignored that Wilson's fate last year early on hinged on pass blocking (and ball protection or as it turned out, lack thereof), that was the reality. And that would play into things a lot more re CJ or any other back than propensity for contact.
This staff won't care if you get 4.3 yards per carry by getting a lot of contact or by avoiding it, especially since they have multiple guys on the roster to get tough inside yards and/ or wear down opponents with contact.
Although some fanboys that I will not mention ignored that Wilson's fate last year early on hinged on pass blocking (and ball protection or as it turned out, lack thereof), that was the reality. And that would play into things a lot more re CJ or any other back than propensity for contact.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I like your post. I don't agree, since I have a hard time imagining a 29 year old guy getting his first season to start (not as an injury fill in). Maybe he'll be useful.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Oooof. Yeah monk, I think I see what's happening here. Lashing out isn't helping your recovery though. Sorry brother.
Banger
Footballguy
No need to fix. I don't get ball security points or ypc points. My leagues you get points for yards and tds.
He was released because of cap number not because Greene is a better RB.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I'm trying fix out the reasoning behind signing jennings and not Brown? Their the same size with similar injury history but brown is 2 yrs younger. Unless Brown wouldn't take the 4 yrs / 10 Mil offer which would be stupid.
Amyway, Their not going to do the CJ?K, their going to draft an RB.
Amyway, Their not going to do the CJ?K, their going to draft an RB.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Just because Johnson was a better fantasy back doesn't mean he was a better NFL back.
Andy Dalton had more fantasy points then Tom Brady
Moreno, Bush, and Johnson had more fantasy points then Peterson
Thanks for pointing out that I was 100% right.
Predicted it was Wilson's job to lose - 100% right
Predicted that Wilson could fumble or miss a block and lose his job - 100% right
Predicted Brown could fumble and lose his job - 100% right
Nostradamus would be proud !
I didn't predict the neck injury but not even my boy Nostradamus could have predicted that.
Bottom Line ... Wilson is still on the roster, Coughlin is prayin that he gets better and Brown is where has has been for most of his career .. looking for work
Thank you again
Aside from 1 maybe 2 decent games , Brown was god awful and that is why he was not signed.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I thought your argument was who was a better rb for the Giants not who had a better year fantasy last year because YPC means a lot for any team
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Chris Johnson may be a more talented runner, but Rashad Jennings is a much better fit for what the Giants want out of a RB -- reliable hard-nosed 3 down play. And IMO Jennings looked better than Johnson did last year too -- how much of that was due to the torn meniscus vs Johnson losing a step / dancing too much vs Tennessee's bad o-line is open to question. Jennings also probably came much more cheaply than Johnson is likely to. Very small chance NY goes after Chris Johnson IMO -- they should be OK with Jennings as a bridge starter, Wilson COP, Hillis as insurance / Eli's 3rd down bodyguard / cheap rookie.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I guess I could have chosen one of the million posts you had defending your boy. It doesn't matter, you'd squirm no matter which one I used. We all know what's happening here, you can choose to accept it or not.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
This is exactly what is going to happen. I think many people see Jennings and think old journeymen rb. Now, I don't think Jennings is a top 5 talent at the position by any stretch. But Jennings does everything above average and has a couple of years left of opportunity to put up some very nice numbers in the NFL and in fantasy.
Jennings is going to be underrated in fantasy drafts. Watch this highlight package of him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUtN9SdrX0
Pay specific attention to his 80 yard run and how he out runs DB's. He is not a plodder and is nimble for a big power back. He can move laterally but explode quickly after hitting holes. Watch how naturally he catches the ball for a big power back and how he takes what is there. NO dancing around. As I said Coughlin and the Giants acquired Jennings for a reason. He gives them everything they want and need for a cheap price.
Yea but I can't get over that Jennings was so awful in 2012 with the Jags that he got benched for Montell Owens. Personally I was not overly impressed with Jennings last season either. He basically had a decent 5 game stretch late in the season against a bunch of middling defenses and for the most part while his legs were fresh from limited usage earlier in the season. My belief is the more you ask him to do, the less efficient he will be. Michael Bush 2.0, and I don't mean that in good way.
So you could have chosen any one of a million posts to make me squirm but instead you chose the one that makes me look like Nostradamus ?!?!?
Keep up the good work !
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
The funny thing is ... I knew you were going to say that.
You are so predictable.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Seriously, I don't know they I can handle another year of this. If ONLY it were shtick. The blind love for Wilson last year and a complete unwillingness to accept things not going the way that was actually predicted is one thing. But the petulant attack mode as if you were actually right with the calls while calling out others just kills the fun of some threads.
You can't have it both ways by claiming that it's his job to lose if things go wrong while at the same time trumpeting the guy as the greatest thing ever, then when he fails just call back on "well I said it was his job to lose - and he lost it" - way to have your cake and eat it too.
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Jennings had a few decent games, but I watched the same highlight and saw mostly average plays.
You highlight his 80 yard run, which was nice. He went 22 for 150 1 TD. My question is why is Rashad Jennings averaging 3.3 YPC on the other 21 attempts vs 23rd ranked run defense? Averaging 3.3 YPC isn't giving a team everything they want in a RB.
Another example: vs KC he went 23 for 91 2 TD with a long of 21 yards. Why did he average 3.18 YPC on the other 22 attempts vs 22nd rush defense?
His defenders will complain about "taking runs out" etc. I'm simply pointing that no matter what, a RB should average in the high 3's at a minimum to be a starting NFL RB in a bad game over a stretch of carries. Vs bad run defenses, how could you be that low on 20+ carries?
Before jumping into the argument ... Read the post that was unearthed by skypagerSeriously, I don't know they I can handle another year of this. If ONLY it were shtick. The blind love for Wilson last year and a complete unwillingness to accept things not going the way that was actually predicted is one thing. But the petulant attack mode as if you were actually right with the calls while calling out others just kills the fun of some threads.
You can't have it both ways by claiming that it's his job to lose if things go wrong while at the same time trumpeting the guy as the greatest thing ever, then when he fails just call back on "well I said it was his job to lose - and he lost it" - way to have your cake and eat it too.
The whole point of that post was that the job was David Wilson's to lose but ... if he had fumble issues or blocking issues he very well could lose it. I also said that if Brown got the job he could lose it by fumbling.
So how did the situation work out?
Wilson was named the starter (no surprise to any knowledgeable Giants fan) - check
He fumbled it away - check
Brown eventually got the job when he was healthy and Wilson was injured but he fumbled it away and is no longer on the Giants or an NFL roster - check
So what are you misinterpreting that I might be able to help you out with?
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Some people just never get it ...
Adrian Peterson 2013 season
14 Games 279 Carries 1266 yards 4.54 ypc
Adrian Peterson 2013 season (minus his longest carry for each of his 14 games)
14 Games 265 Carries 884 yards 3.33 ypc
So you are saying Adrian Peterson should not be a starting RB in the NFL ... Great Point!
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Seriously, I don't know they I can handle another year of this. If ONLY it were shtick. The blind love for Wilson last year and a complete unwillingness to accept things not going the way that was actually predicted is one thing. But the petulant attack mode as if you were actually right with the calls while calling out others just kills the fun of some threads.
You can't have it both ways by claiming that it's his job to lose if things go wrong while at the same time trumpeting the guy as the greatest thing ever, then when he fails just call back on "well I said it was his job to lose - and he lost it" - way to have your cake and eat it too.
No No No Silly ... This is whatSeriously, I don't know they I can handle another year of this. If ONLY it were shtick. The blind love for Wilson last year and a complete unwillingness to accept things not going the way that was actually predicted is one thing. But the petulant attack mode as if you were actually right with the calls while calling out others just kills the fun of some threads.
You can't have it both ways by claiming that it's his job to lose if things go wrong while at the same time trumpeting the guy as the greatest thing ever, then when he fails just call back on "well I said it was his job to lose - and he lost it" - way to have your cake and eat it too.
looks like !Posted by MoveToSkypager on 17 September 2013 - 10:05 AM in The Shark Pool (NFL Talk)
"We can all cite examples of great players that needed a kick in the ### before they went on to greatness. Maybe this is the moment for Wilson. It's clear he's amazingly talented, and I'd love for him to suck a few more weeks so I can scoop him up in some dynasty leagues. I don't expect that to be the case. If I had him, he'd stay in my starting lineup because I expect him to start playing well anytime and I don't want to leave his points on my bench. I don't know anyone that sincerely thinks Wilson can't be a good player"
My next great prophecy ...
Skypager will launch another feeble attack on Monk "The Seer" in the form of a past and/or present post.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
No No No Silly ... This is whatSeriously, I don't know they I can handle another year of this. If ONLY it were shtick. The blind love for Wilson last year and a complete unwillingness to accept things not going the way that was actually predicted is one thing. But the petulant attack mode as if you were actually right with the calls while calling out others just kills the fun of some threads.
You can't have it both ways by claiming that it's his job to lose if things go wrong while at the same time trumpeting the guy as the greatest thing ever, then when he fails just call back on "well I said it was his job to lose - and he lost it" - way to have your cake and eat it too.
Posted by MoveToSkypager on 17 September 2013 - 10:05 AM in The Shark Pool (NFL Talk)
"We can all cite examples of great players that needed a kick in the ### before they went on to greatness. Maybe this is the moment for Wilson. It's clear he's amazingly talented, and I'd love for him to suck a few more weeks so I can scoop him up in some dynasty leagues. I don't expect that to be the case. If I had him, he'd stay in my starting lineup because I expect him to start playing well anytime and I don't want to leave his points on my bench. I don't know anyone that sincerely thinks Wilson can't be a good player"
My next great prophecy ...
Skypager will launch another feeble attack on Monk "The Seer" in the form of a past and/or present post.
Vs bad run defenses(20th vs run or worse) and taking out his best run of the day(CHI X 2, GB X 2, Pitt, Dallas)
AP 148 carries for 587 yards 3.96 YPC
vs bad run defenses(20th vs run or worse) and taking out his best run of the day(KC X 2, Ind, Jax, Pitt, Hou, Tenn, Dallas)
Rashad Jennings 82 carries for 239 yards 2.91 YPC
That's my point
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
What I am interpreting is a full year of watching this last year.Before jumping into the argument ... Read the post that was unearthed by skypagerSeriously, I don't know they I can handle another year of this. If ONLY it were shtick. The blind love for Wilson last year and a complete unwillingness to accept things not going the way that was actually predicted is one thing. But the petulant attack mode as if you were actually right with the calls while calling out others just kills the fun of some threads.
You can't have it both ways by claiming that it's his job to lose if things go wrong while at the same time trumpeting the guy as the greatest thing ever, then when he fails just call back on "well I said it was his job to lose - and he lost it" - way to have your cake and eat it too.
The whole point of that post was that the job was David Wilson's to lose but ... if he had fumble issues or blocking issues he very well could lose it. I also said that if Brown got the job he could lose it by fumbling.
So how did the situation work out?
Wilson was named the starter (no surprise to any knowledgeable Giants fan) - check
He fumbled it away - check
Brown eventually got the job when he was healthy and Wilson was injured but he fumbled it away and is no longer on the Giants or an NFL roster - check
So what are you misinterpreting that I might be able to help you out with?
Your passion is appreciated, but the approach is antagonistic, over the top and honestly, just not fun.
You clearly either: 1) can't have a regular constructive conversation and 2) have too much pride. Carry on, but i'm not wasting anymore time on you. Rashad Jennings is pedestrian...very
Koya
Footballguy
To directly answer your question - THIS is what I mean.No No No Silly ... This is whatSeriously, I don't know they I can handle another year of this. If ONLY it were shtick. The blind love for Wilson last year and a complete unwillingness to accept things not going the way that was actually predicted is one thing. But the petulant attack mode as if you were actually right with the calls while calling out others just kills the fun of some threads.
You can't have it both ways by claiming that it's his job to lose if things go wrong while at the same time trumpeting the guy as the greatest thing ever, then when he fails just call back on "well I said it was his job to lose - and he lost it" - way to have your cake and eat it too.
Not worth anymore effort, but if you want a clear example of what my (and other's I'd presume) issue is with your approach, that pretty much sums it up.
But you're alright with the post I was responding toTo directly answer your question - THIS is what I mean.No No No Silly ... This is whatSeriously, I don't know they I can handle another year of this. If ONLY it were shtick. The blind love for Wilson last year and a complete unwillingness to accept things not going the way that was actually predicted is one thing. But the petulant attack mode as if you were actually right with the calls while calling out others just kills the fun of some threads.
You can't have it both ways by claiming that it's his job to lose if things go wrong while at the same time trumpeting the guy as the greatest thing ever, then when he fails just call back on "well I said it was his job to lose - and he lost it" - way to have your cake and eat it too.
Not worth anymore effort, but if you want a clear example of what my (and other's I'd presume) issue is with your approach, that pretty much sums it up.
How's this for an unprovoked D-bag post from a guy who pretends to be the victim of petulant postingHe doing backflips yet? Seems more important to him than TDs.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
now subtract every 10th run (because defenders are known to make a better tackle on the 10th run) and tell me what the avg is, thanks
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