***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[Pots]

All aboard for 2014! Choo choo!

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Late round value this year!!!!!!

 

[steveski]

I've been seeing him go as late as the 13th round in startups.

I grabbed him in the 9th of mine. Just couldn't risk not having him.

 

[Run It Up]

I've been seeing him go as late as the 13th round in startups.

I grabbed him in the 9th of mine. Just couldn't risk not having him.

He was on waivers in a dynasty league of mine, 12 team 40 player rosters.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I've been seeing him go as late as the 13th round in startups.

I grabbed him in the 9th of mine. Just couldn't risk not having him.

He was on waivers in a dynasty league of mine, 12 team 40 player rosters.

I don't buy that. Not 40 player roster. I just think your flat lying.

 

[steveski]

I've been seeing him go as late as the 13th round in startups.

I grabbed him in the 9th of mine. Just couldn't risk not having him.

He was on waivers in a dynasty league of mine, 12 team 40 player rosters.

I don't buy that. Not 40 player roster. I just think your flat lying.

Yup. Not a chance.

 

[Run It Up]

I've been seeing him go as late as the 13th round in startups.

I grabbed him in the 9th of mine. Just couldn't risk not having him.

He was on waivers in a dynasty league of mine, 12 team 40 player rosters.

I don't buy that. Not 40 player roster. I just think your flat lying.

First time anyones accused me of lying before on here, surprisingly.

I should have qualified my statement with a date, this was 6 months ago. Was just trying to compare the value the guy I quoted was giving him to the only league I've interacted with the player. In a deep roster dynasty league, David Wilson was straight up cut 6 months ago and I was able to claim him for less than 20% of my FAAB budget near the end of the season. There was some doom and gloom at the time, but I was surprised that a player that was so hyped was just cut loose in such a format, but to some people is still 9th round pick in redrafts.

Waivers

Team in sig.

 

[steveski]

I've been seeing him go as late as the 13th round in startups.

I grabbed him in the 9th of mine. Just couldn't risk not having him.

He was on waivers in a dynasty league of mine, 12 team 40 player rosters.

I don't buy that. Not 40 player roster. I just think your flat lying.

First time anyones accused me of lying before on here, surprisingly.I should have qualified my statement with a date, this was 6 months ago. Was just trying to compare the value the guy I quoted was giving him to the only league I've interacted with the player. In a deep roster dynasty league, David Wilson was straight up cut 6 months ago and I was able to claim him for less than 20% of my FAAB budget near the end of the season. There was some doom and gloom at the time, but I was surprised that a player that was so hyped was just cut loose in such a format, but to some people is still 9th round pick in redrafts.

Waivers

Team in sig.

The fact that someone is a moron doesn't mean David Wilson's value is equivalent of someone who shouldn't be owned in a league with 40 man rosters.

I've been in leagues with idiots before too.

I don't care how frustrated or how down on him you are, you can't just cut him in a league that deep. Someone would be willing to trade.

Look at the other guys being claimed. You really think David Wilson is on par with those other guys?

I get the doubters that think his neck injury is too serious to play again and I get the doubters who think he'll just be a change of pace back. I disagree but can accept that as a valid opinion. I don't get the people who think he just sucks. He's way more talented than any RB you can get after the 10th round in startups. Yes there is some risk, but when you're filling in bench players, you're looking for the home run.

 

[Run It Up]

I don't care how frustrated or how down on him you are, you can't just cut him in a league that deep. Someone would be willing to trade.

I don't know his reasoning, hes one of the more competent owners in that league as well. He must have been pretty confident Wilson was never gonna play or be 100% again, cause he was super high on him.

Why I was able to get him for so cheap near the end of the season however is another story.

 

[steveski]

I don't care how frustrated or how down on him you are, you can't just cut him in a league that deep. Someone would be willing to trade.

I don't know his reasoning, hes one of the more competent owners in that league as well. He must have been pretty confident Wilson was never gonna play or be 100% again, cause he was super high on him. Why I was able to get him for so cheap near the end of the season however is another story.

Well congrats! You have the ideal situation. Owning him for next to nothing and having the chance of hitting a home run for free.

 

[gianmarco]

Wilson taking handoffs at Giant's OTA

 

[Yenrub]

Wilson taking handoffs at Giant's OTA

Has yet to be cleared for contact

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/05/giants_david_wilson_takes_carries_returns_during_first_ota_practice.html

 

[TheFanatic]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

You said " they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft". They did.

Sorry, in my head I wrote that as, "They didn't do much in the draft to address RB," not that they didn't grab anybody. They grabbed a body, but that's about it. Had they felt that the RB position was in bad shape, they would've taken one earlier (the 11th pick in the second could've gotten them the pick of the litter). So that begs the next question, who do the Giants think will tote the rock for them? Is it Jennings? Hillis? The 4th round rookie, who despite the many exceptions listed is very much a long shot to be a starter? Just maybe it's Wilson. Maybe the rook tears it up. He will undoubtedly get a chance to win the starting job considering the competition and the opportunity is a huge part of the battle...

I think it's Jennings to start off, and then they/we see how it plays out. I own Wilson in one league, but right now I'm in the "I'll beleive it when I see it" camp with him. I do think Williams was only added as a depth piece, for 2014 at least, but he does have some potential given his size and speed and the Giants traditionally seeming to know what they're doing in the draft. Jennings had a nice run in a limited sample size in 2013, but there's no guarantee that he's the answer, so Williams could take over at some point and run with the job. He's similiar in a lot of ways to Brandon Jacobs who had some nice success with the team.

I'm with you. Own him in one league. A contract league where he is in the final year of his rookie deal so he's cheap. He's got a roster spot, but I could wind up cutting him later in the season if I see nothing from the guy. If he does something, great. If not? No big deal. I have ADP, Gerhart, Matthews, and the 3rd pick in the draft. If he does nothing this year, I'll be fine. If he does something by the end of the year, I'll have some nice trade bait.

 

[ShaHBucks]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

Perfect end of year post to bump. Thank you for that.

Did I bump this already?

 

[Touchdown There]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

Perfect end of year post to bump. Thank you for that.

Did I bump this already?

So then, you are right because he destroyed his neck. Congrats. You are a genius.

 

[Eminence]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

Perfect end of year post to bump. Thank you for

that.

Did I bump this already?

So then, you are right because he destroyed his neck. Congrats. You are a genius.

What about the people who said he was too small to run the way he did?

 

[ShaHBucks]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

Perfect end of year post to bump. Thank you for that.

Did I bump this already?

So then, you are right because he destroyed his neck. Congrats. You are a genius.

He was on such a record pace pre-injury.

 

[Touchdown There]

The whole Giants team sucked. You know that already. I am not going to be a David Wilson apologist. At this point in time he is more likely to be the guy that "could have been". I now realize he landed in a terrible situation in combination with that fact that he may have a fragile body type.

For the most part, Giants fans are the losers here. I think they forced Hynoski into a role when he was still injured and once the season started to tilt, Coughlin could not stop the inertia. I think he is a grumpy, stubborn old man. He is also the guy that makes the big decisions, so it is what it is.

 

[netnalp]

Five things we learned at OTA practice

by Dan Salomone

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Five-things-we-learned-at-OTA-practice/bbbe92b9-0cb8-418d-9af4-d7a5cb9aab1b

1. Wilson on the field. The Giants are taking an optimistic wait-and-see approach with their former first-round draft choice David Wilson, who missed most of last season with a neck injury. However, the third-year running back was on the practice field for the first of 10 non-contact organized team activities (OTAs) on Wednesday at the Quest Diagnostics Training Center. Wilson worked on both special teams as a returner and in offensive drills, including taking this handoff from quarterback Josh Freeman.

2. Ben McAdoo is in a hurry. Throughout the Giants’ offseason workout program leading up to OTAs, we received hints about what the new offensive coordinator’s system would look like. We heard buzzwords like West Coast, attack, up-tempo, etc. It was all of that from the start of McAdoo’s first OTA with his new team. Meanwhile, the former Green Bay tight ends and quarterbacks coach also took a hands-on approach during individual drills, including snapping the ball to his quarterbacks while they worked on their drops.

3. Eli Manning put in a full day. After undergoing an arthroscopic procedure on his left ankle on April 10, quarterback Eli Manning wasn’t going to be rushed back. But his ironman gene put him on the fast track, and Manning took quite a few snaps on the first day of OTAs. In addition to individual drills, he took many of the first-team reps as he and his teammates continued to learn McAdoo’s new offense. Meanwhile, Ryan Nassib took snaps behind Manning, as did Curtis Painter and Josh Freeman.

4. J.D. Walton played center with the first unit. In what is sure to be the first of many, the Giants rolled out their initial offensive line configuration. Without the rehabbing Will Beatty, who fractured his leg in the final game of last season, the first line consisted of James Brewer, Geoff Schwartz, Walton, Chris Snee, and Justin Pugh. Meanwhile, the second unit was Charles Brown, Brandon Mosley, Dallas Reynolds, Weston Richburg, and Troy Kropog.

5. First-round draft choice Odell Beckham Jr. got his first taste of action. OTAs differ from the rest of the offseason workout program in that the offense can go up against the defense, as opposed to both units working separately in the previous phase. While no live contact is permitted, 7-on-7, 9-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills are allowed. Beckham, the rookie wide receiver out of LSU, kept up in such drills against NFL-caliber defenders on Wednesday, showcasing his quickness in and out of breaks. He’ll have to learn the ropes, but his athleticism is already on display.

 

[Khy]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

Perfect end of year post to bump. Thank you for

that.

Did I bump this already?

So then, you are right because he destroyed his neck. Congrats. You are a genius.

What about the people who said he was too small to run the way he did?

You're still one of my favorite people on these boards.

A) I think we've posted more than enough guys who were amazing starters/HoFers who were the exact same size as Wilson.

B) He didn't even get hurt 'running the ball the way he did', it was a simple draw play that got broken up at the LoS. He tried to make a move (like an RB would) and he got thrown back and then pushed to the ground. He never even really landed on his neck or hit his neck at all. I remember watching the play wondering wtf just happened to him. He landed on his shoulder, I thought maybe he dislocated it at first cause he was shaking it walking to the locker room. Turned out to be a possible career ending injury called Spinal Stentosis that is something that he's been living with without his knowledge for most (or maybe all) of his life. It had nothing to do with the way he ran, he happened to get thrown to the ground at the perfect angle to aggrvate a medical condition he had. At least read up on the 'injury' (in quotes cause it wasn't an injury but a medical condition he had well prior to that hit).

 

[Touchdown There]

I do think he has much better vision than Mendenhall though. What do you think about his vision, ShaHBucks?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=676974&page=2#entry15308575

 

[Eminence]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

Perfect end of year post to bump. Thank you for

that.

Did I bump this already?

So then, you are right because he destroyed his neck. Congrats. You are a genius.

What about the people who said he was too small to run the way he did?

You're still one of my favorite people on these boards.

A) I think we've posted more than enough guys who were amazing starters/HoFers who were the exact same size as Wilson.

B) He didn't even get hurt 'running the ball the way he did', it was a simple draw play that got broken up at the LoS. He tried to make a move (like an RB would) and he got thrown back and then pushed to the ground. He never even really landed on his neck or hit his neck at all. I remember watching the play wondering wtf just happened to him. He landed on his shoulder, I thought maybe he dislocated it at first cause he was shaking it walking to the locker room. Turned out to be a possible career ending injury called Spinal Stentosis that is something that he's been living with without his knowledge for most (or maybe all) of his life. It had nothing to do with the way he ran, he happened to get thrown to the ground at the perfect angle to aggrvate a medical condition he had. At least read up on the 'injury' (in quotes cause it wasn't an injury but a medical condition he had well prior to that hit).

Appreciate the first comment. A.) Yes, and there are plenty of terrible players his size as well. He can't dominate the NFL off explosiveness like he did in college; linebackers got to love getting hits on this guy.

B.) Can't speak as I truly don't know but from watching him play he doesn't shy away from contact and it's a case where maybe he should.

I don't question his fight. I just don't think if he was completely healthy he would have been great. Great burst, average hands, mutual wiggle , small frame, pass protection concerns.

Edit: Either way, I did learn something from your post. So thanks, very informative.

:thumbsup:

 

[Eminence]

What concerned me most was that his best comparison was Jahvid Best with lesser hands.

Hopefully he can find a niche returning kicks and being part of a committee. Andre Williams and him could be formidable.

You just don't want to see the kid get tackled and not get back up.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I do think he has much better vision than Mendenhall though. What do you think about his vision, ShaHBucks?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=676974&page=2#entry15308575

You didn't catch this one did u? http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=676974&view=findpost&p=15415992You paid a premium for a bust. I didn't.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I can't understand how you can be anymore than cautiously optimistic about Wilson when it's not a 100% guarantee that he will even lead the team in carries, let alone be the next stud RB. I care no more about Wilson than I do Lamar Miller- which means "hopeful," but I'm putting all of my chips down. If he was so great he wouldn't have flopped so hard to start the season. He had a 40-yard TD late in a Browns blowout. Outside of that run he had 27 carries for 71 yards through week 10. 6 carries for 8 yards his first 3 weeks. Weeks 8-12 13 carries for 25 yards. He destroyed NO with another late run in a blowout but thats not saying much. The week after with the playoff on the line vs ATL Coughlin had him split carries with another journeymen, Kregg Lumpkin... Now when the game is on the line you expect Caughlin to sit a healthy Andre Brown for David Wilson? I will believe that when I see it. Wilson was more awful than not last season.

Wilson will be fine in the NFL. Plenty of solid RB's would be fine being the main carry RB for the NYG. I'm not hopping on the top-10 bandwagon anytime soon. Andre Brown is a better bargin at current ADP.

Buying low before a breakout is the key to dynasty fantasy football. Your post is a manual on how to suck.

No, that's how you save a roster spot for players I really backed like Knowshon Moreno.

 

[Khy]

I can't understand how you can be anymore than cautiously optimistic about Wilson when it's not a 100% guarantee that he will even lead the team in carries, let alone be the next stud RB. I care no more about Wilson than I do Lamar Miller- which means "hopeful," but I'm putting all of my chips down. If he was so great he wouldn't have flopped so hard to start the season. He had a 40-yard TD late in a Browns blowout. Outside of that run he had 27 carries for 71 yards through week 10. 6 carries for 8 yards his first 3 weeks. Weeks 8-12 13 carries for 25 yards. He destroyed NO with another late run in a blowout but thats not saying much. The week after with the playoff on the line vs ATL Coughlin had him split carries with another journeymen, Kregg Lumpkin... Now when the game is on the line you expect Caughlin to sit a healthy Andre Brown for David Wilson? I will believe that when I see it. Wilson was more awful than not last season.

Wilson will be fine in the NFL. Plenty of solid RB's would be fine being the main carry RB for the NYG. I'm not hopping on the top-10 bandwagon anytime soon. Andre Brown is a better bargin at current ADP.

Buying low before a breakout is the key to dynasty fantasy football. Your post is a manual on how to suck.

No, that's how you save a roster spot for players I really backed like Knowshon Moreno.

I'm fine with you saying you didn't like Wilson etc. etc. but you're a riot.

You're saying that Wilson, in what would be his 3rd season is already a bust? But Knowshon who had the same issues w/ fumbling as Wilson, you somehow knew that the 5th season would be his sweet spot to explode and kept holding him in dynasty?

Give me a break.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

Got him for the 5.1 in a Zealots rookie draft

 

[steveski]

The reason this thread gets a bad rep is because of the people in here that are against him, not the people that are for him. Why do the haters hate so much? I just don't get it. As soon as one finally leaves, the next comes in and starts the same argument again.

 

[Run It Up]

The reason this thread gets a bad rep is because of the people in here that are against him, not the people that are for him. Why do the haters hate so much? I just don't get it. As soon as one finally leaves, the next comes in and starts the same argument again.

I think you'll find with all overhyped disappointments, that both sides are equally terrible.

 

[Khy]

The reason this thread gets a bad rep is because of the people in here that are against him, not the people that are for him. Why do the haters hate so much? I just don't get it. As soon as one finally leaves, the next comes in and starts the same argument again.

I think you'll find with all overhyped disappointments, that both sides are equally terrible.

I think the thing most people are ignoring is that a lot of the overhyped disappointments didn't ignore his fumbling and didn't say "Obviously he's already an RB1". Most of them, at least from what i can recall writing a year ago were "If he can fix his fumbling issues and become an adequate pass blocker he'll be a RB1 in this league". Obviously he didn't fix those things and then he had a season ending injury. There's one side that saw his talent and upside and the other side that seemingly just likes to hate on the popular player of the year as they're the same exact guys who are in every Bandwagon thread year-to-year talking about how the guy is a no talent hack. (See Andre Ellington Bandwagon thread right now).

 

[Concept Coop]

There's one side that saw his talent and upside and the other side that seemingly just likes to hate on the popular player of the year as they're the same exact guys who are in every Bandwagon thread year-to-year talking about how the guy is a no talent hack. (See Andre Ellington Bandwagon thread right now).

There was one side that was more optimistic than the other--and that's really it. Put them together on an internet message board, and #### happens. I don't recall anyone calling him a no talent hack.

 

[Khy]

There's one side that saw his talent and upside and the other side that seemingly just likes to hate on the popular player of the year as they're the same exact guys who are in every Bandwagon thread year-to-year talking about how the guy is a no talent hack. (See Andre Ellington Bandwagon thread right now).

There was one side that was more optimistic than the other--and that's really it. Put them together on an internet message board, and #### happens. I don't recall anyone calling him a no talent hack.

Evanesence or w/e his name was pretty much claimed the later. Essentially just said he was a fast guy that had no real agility or vision or really any football skills. I believe several times he called him a track star or something to the effect.

 

[Concept Coop]

Evanesence or w/e his name was pretty much claimed the later. Essentially just said he was a fast guy that had no real agility or vision or really any football skills. I believe several times he called him a track star or something to the effect.

Sure, but he's one guy and was pretty transparent in his hyperbole--whether it was intentional or not, on his part.

There was plenty of room for varying opinions on the subject--there were warts and strengths and not enough of a track record to ignore either one.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

I can't quit him, took him at 19.10 (267 overall) in a 14 team IDP startup

Link, so as not to be accused of lying

 

[ShaHBucks]

I can't understand how you can be anymore than cautiously optimistic about Wilson when it's not a 100% guarantee that he will even lead the team in carries, let alone be the next stud RB. I care no more about Wilson than I do Lamar Miller- which means "hopeful," but I'm putting all of my chips down. If he was so great he wouldn't have flopped so hard to start the season. He had a 40-yard TD late in a Browns blowout. Outside of that run he had 27 carries for 71 yards through week 10. 6 carries for 8 yards his first 3 weeks. Weeks 8-12 13 carries for 25 yards. He destroyed NO with another late run in a blowout but thats not saying much. The week after with the playoff on the line vs ATL Coughlin had him split carries with another journeymen, Kregg Lumpkin... Now when the game is on the line you expect Caughlin to sit a healthy Andre Brown for David Wilson? I will believe that when I see it. Wilson was more awful than not last season.

Wilson will be fine in the NFL. Plenty of solid RB's would be fine being the main carry RB for the NYG. I'm not hopping on the top-10 bandwagon anytime soon. Andre Brown is a better bargin at current ADP.

Buying low before a breakout is the key to dynasty fantasy football. Your post is a manual on how to suck.

No, that's how you save a roster spot for players I really backed like Knowshon Moreno.

I'm fine with you saying you didn't like Wilson etc. etc. but you're a riot.

You're saying that Wilson, in what would be his 3rd season is already a bust? But Knowshon who had the same issues w/ fumbling as Wilson, you somehow knew that the 5th season would be his sweet spot to explode and kept holding him in dynasty?

Give me a break.

Hillman is easy to eliminate. Can't pass block effectively to protect Peyton Manning. He's a interesting speed back but he's small. I peg him for 5-8 carries a game and a emergency starter.

McGahee was the next easiest to cut. Thats done.

It comes down to Ball or Moreno having the potential of a workhorse. What if Ball struggles with the Off? Or he can't pass block on this level yet? What if he's not that special? I don't think the Broncos will hitch their superbowl hopes on a rookie rb. He was a late 2nd round pick, that's not relly a statement.

Why not Moreno? He's only 25 and you were probably all over him coming out in 2009. BAL-NYG-OAK-PHI-DAL-JAC-IND-WAS to start the season. I want in on that part of the schedule even it's to flip him befor Hillman/Ball eats into carries late season. He's just as likely to start game 1 as the other guys.

You all were pretty harsh, and it was acceptable at the time as you can see. Don't make me look like the bad guy. I didn't make this bed. He forgot to bump the post. I did the honor.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I can't quit him, took him at 19.10 (267 overall) in a 14 team IDP startup

Link, so as not to be accused of lying

That's a huge outlier I think, and obviously obscene value. Even at a more reasonable valuation (DLF has him as RB40 in the 11th round) I think he's a pretty decent buy low now. He's still a 22 year old former 1st round pick. I'd rather roster him as a swing for the fences bench RB than guys like Pierre Thomas, Khiry Robinson, and Darren Sproles who are going in that same neighborhood.

 

[Khy]

I can't quit him, took him at 19.10 (267 overall) in a 14 team IDP startup

Link, so as not to be accused of lying

That's a huge outlier I think, and obviously obscene value. Even at a more reasonable valuation (DLF has him as RB40 in the 11th round) I think he's a pretty decent buy low now. He's still a 22 year old former 1st round pick. I'd rather roster him as a swing for the fences bench RB than guys like Pierre Thomas, Khiry Robinson, and Darren Sproles who are going in that same neighborhood.

Yeah, I mean that's just absolutely obnoxious. And I agree, his value is super low right now. I just did a dispersal draft in one league between me and another new owner and was shocked when he fell to almost half way into our draft in a 45 man roster IDP league. 90 picks and I took him at 40. I would've taken him slightly earlier probably but simply overlooked him for the 2 rounds prior. But for comparison, he went after 3.04/3.07 and 4.04 this season and the players taken right before him were TJ Ward, Jarius Byrd, Chris Long, Rod Streater types. So yeah, if you can somehow acquire him for a mid 3rd round pick? I think you'd be crazy not to do it personally. He's probably a better shot at hitting paydirt than most 3rd round dynasty picks.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I can't quit him, took him at 19.10 (267 overall) in a 14 team IDP startup

Link, so as not to be accused of lying

That's a huge outlier I think, and obviously obscene value. Even at a more reasonable valuation (DLF has him as RB40 in the 11th round) I think he's a pretty decent buy low now. He's still a 22 year old former 1st round pick. I'd rather roster him as a swing for the fences bench RB than guys like Pierre Thomas, Khiry Robinson, and Darren Sproles who are going in that same neighborhood.

Yeah, I mean that's just absolutely obnoxious. And I agree, his value is super low right now. I just did a dispersal draft in one league between me and another new owner and was shocked when he fell to almost half way into our draft in a 45 man roster IDP league. 90 picks and I took him at 40. I would've taken him slightly earlier probably but simply overlooked him for the 2 rounds prior. But for comparison, he went after 3.04/3.07 and 4.04 this season and the players taken right before him were TJ Ward, Jarius Byrd, Chris Long, Rod Streater types. So yeah, if you can somehow acquire him for a mid 3rd round pick? I think you'd be crazy not to do it personally. He's probably a better shot at hitting paydirt than most 3rd round dynasty picks.

I'd actually be a buyer at higher prices than that, personally. RB-wise I don't think any of this year's incoming class are in the same ballpark purely from a running talent standpoint. Of course, the neck injury needs to be taken into account, but I'm generally a fan of betting on modern medicine. I think he's in the ballpark value wise overall with Sankey, Hill, Hyde, Mason and decent arguments can be made either way on any of them, depending on individual team need and upside / safety preference. Then again, I think this incoming RB class pretty much totally sucks overall (although I think both Hill and Mason are good value from the mid 2nd on) so YMMV. For pie in the sky upside, Wilson is the best one IMO, and it's really not too close.

 

[Khy]

I can't quit him, took him at 19.10 (267 overall) in a 14 team IDP startup

Link, so as not to be accused of lying

That's a huge outlier I think, and obviously obscene value. Even at a more reasonable valuation (DLF has him as RB40 in the 11th round) I think he's a pretty decent buy low now. He's still a 22 year old former 1st round pick. I'd rather roster him as a swing for the fences bench RB than guys like Pierre Thomas, Khiry Robinson, and Darren Sproles who are going in that same neighborhood.

Yeah, I mean that's just absolutely obnoxious. And I agree, his value is super low right now. I just did a dispersal draft in one league between me and another new owner and was shocked when he fell to almost half way into our draft in a 45 man roster IDP league. 90 picks and I took him at 40. I would've taken him slightly earlier probably but simply overlooked him for the 2 rounds prior. But for comparison, he went after 3.04/3.07 and 4.04 this season and the players taken right before him were TJ Ward, Jarius Byrd, Chris Long, Rod Streater types. So yeah, if you can somehow acquire him for a mid 3rd round pick? I think you'd be crazy not to do it personally. He's probably a better shot at hitting paydirt than most 3rd round dynasty picks.

I'd actually be a buyer at higher prices than that, personally. RB-wise I don't think any of this year's incoming class are in the same ballpark purely from a running talent standpoint. Of course, the neck injury needs to be taken into account, but I'm generally a fan of betting on modern medicine. I think he's in the ballpark value wise overall with Sankey, Hill, Hyde, Mason and decent arguments can be made either way on any of them, depending on individual team need and upside / safety preference. Then again, I think this incoming RB class pretty much totally sucks overall (although I think both Hill and Mason are good value from the mid 2nd on) so YMMV. For pie in the sky upside, Wilson is the best one IMO, and it's really not too close.

Sure, I agree. Most of this RB class sucks, in fact all the 1st round talent guys aren't the ones I even like really. I'm a fan of Carey, Grice and McKinnon from an "if talent meets situation" stand point. Sankey, Hill, Mason etc. are boring to me. I think Carey has legit RB1 chances if Forte gets hurt this season at some point. Guy has amazing vision and quicks, he's slow but that hasn't stopped a lot of guys before him.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

David Wilson - RB - Giants

David Wilson (neck) will undergo an MRI next Wednesday, and is hoping to be cleared for contact.

Wilson has been participating in this week's OTAs sessions, but they're non-contact, pad-less practices. Gaining full clearance next week would make Wilson available for June's minicamp, and have him full-go for training camp.

Source: Dan Graziano on Twitter

May 29 - 1:04 PM

 

[monk]

What concerned me most was that his best comparison was Jahvid Best with lesser hands.

Hopefully he can find a niche returning kicks and being part of a committee. Andre Williams and him could be formidable.

You just don't want to see the kid get tackled and not get back up.

Jahvid Best - 5' 9" 190

Wilson - 5' 10" 205

That's a great comparison!

In that case Wilson also compares to Marshawn Lynch @ 5'11 215

 

[qimqam]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

Perfect end of year post to bump. Thank you for

that.

Did I bump this already?

So then, you are right because he destroyed his neck. Congrats. You are a genius.

What about the people who said he was too small to run the way he did?

You're still one of my favorite people on these boards.

A) I think we've posted more than enough guys who were amazing starters/HoFers who were the exact same size as Wilson.

B) He didn't even get hurt 'running the ball the way he did', it was a simple draw play that got broken up at the LoS. He tried to make a move (like an RB would) and he got thrown back and then pushed to the ground. He never even really landed on his neck or hit his neck at all. I remember watching the play wondering wtf just happened to him. He landed on his shoulder, I thought maybe he dislocated it at first cause he was shaking it walking to the locker room. Turned out to be a possible career ending injury called Spinal Stentosis that is something that he's been living with without his knowledge for most (or maybe all) of his life. It had nothing to do with the way he ran, he happened to get thrown to the ground at the perfect angle to aggrvate a medical condition he had. At least read up on the 'injury' (in quotes cause it wasn't an injury but a medical condition he had well prior to that hit).

Appreciate the first comment.

A.) Yes, and there are plenty of terrible players his size as well. He can't dominate the NFL off explosiveness like he did in college; linebackers got to love getting hits on this guy.

Yep ... Ask Curtis Lofton @ 2:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGbRZHcefD8

B.) Can't speak as I truly don't know but from watching him play he doesn't shy away from contact and it's a case where maybe he should.

I don't question his fight. I just don't think if he was completely healthy he would have been great. Great burst, average hands, mutual wiggle , small frame, pass protection concerns.

Edit: Either way, I did learn something from your post. So thanks, very informative.

:thumbsup:

 

[Eminence]

What concerned me most was that his best comparison was Jahvid Best with lesser hands.

Hopefully he can find a niche returning kicks and being part of a committee. Andre Williams and him could be formidable.

You just don't want to see the kid get tackled and not get back up.

Jahvid Best - 5' 9" 190

Wilson - 5' 10" 205

That's a great comparison!

In that case Wilson also compares to Marshawn Lynch @ 5'11 215

So, for the record, you don't see similarities in their running styles?

 

[monk]

What concerned me most was that his best comparison was Jahvid Best with lesser hands.

Hopefully he can find a niche returning kicks and being part of a committee. Andre Williams and him could be formidable.

You just don't want to see the kid get tackled and not get back up.

Jahvid Best - 5' 9" 190

Wilson - 5' 10" 205

That's a great comparison!

In that case Wilson also compares to Marshawn Lynch @ 5'11 215

So, for the record, you don't see similarities in their running styles?

There are some similarities in the running style ... but Jahvid Best's running style was never a concern, it was an asset. His problem was his size and concussions even before he entered the nfl.

If you said Wilson is a bigger more powerful version of Best ...I would think that is a pretty good thing not a concern

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

It can be hard to get context from "I got him at 19.10" as it is 14 team dynasty, start 1 RB and full IDP, so here's a little more. He was RB 45-here's the few that went before and after him.

RB 40 - Ingram

RB 41 - Sproles

RB 42 - Pierre Thomas

RB 43 - Steven Jackson

RB 44 - Mike James

RB 45 - David Wilson

RB 46 - Law Firm

RB 47 - CJ Anderson

RB 48 - Latavius Murray

RB 49 - Mike Tolbert

 

[DropKick]

It can be hard to get context from "I got him at 19.10" as it is 14 team dynasty, start 1 RB and full IDP, so here's a little more. He was RB 45-here's the few that went before and after him.

RB 40 - Ingram

RB 41 - Sproles

RB 42 - Pierre Thomas

RB 43 - Steven Jackson

RB 44 - Mike James

RB 45 - David Wilson

RB 46 - Law Firm

RB 47 - CJ Anderson

RB 48 - Latavius Murray

RB 49 - Mike Tolbert

Even with the neck question mark, that is too low for Wilson in dynasty.

 

[steveski]

Mike James before him? I don't understand some people. Mike James is maybe the 3rd best back on his team. No chance of seeing any playing time without significant injuries.

Wilson is by far the most talented back in the Giants. The only question is his health. Who would prefer a guy like James over Wilson. Even if I knew Wilson could only play 1 more year, I'd still take a shot at him being elite for that 1 year then having to roster Mike James for several years.

 

[georg013]

I can't understand how you can be anymore than cautiously optimistic about Wilson when it's not a 100% guarantee that he will even lead the team in carries, let alone be the next stud RB. I care no more about Wilson than I do Lamar Miller- which means "hopeful," but I'm putting all of my chips down. If he was so great he wouldn't have flopped so hard to start the season. He had a 40-yard TD late in a Browns blowout. Outside of that run he had 27 carries for 71 yards through week 10. 6 carries for 8 yards his first 3 weeks. Weeks 8-12 13 carries for 25 yards. He destroyed NO with another late run in a blowout but thats not saying much. The week after with the playoff on the line vs ATL Coughlin had him split carries with another journeymen, Kregg Lumpkin... Now when the game is on the line you expect Caughlin to sit a healthy Andre Brown for David Wilson? I will believe that when I see it. Wilson was more awful than not last season.

Wilson will be fine in the NFL. Plenty of solid RB's would be fine being the main carry RB for the NYG. I'm not hopping on the top-10 bandwagon anytime soon. Andre Brown is a better bargin at current ADP.

Buying low before a breakout is the key to dynasty fantasy football. Your post is a manual on how to suck.

No, that's how you save a roster spot for players I really backed like Knowshon Moreno.

I'm fine with you saying you didn't like Wilson etc. etc. but you're a riot.

You're saying that Wilson, in what would be his 3rd season is already a bust? But Knowshon who had the same issues w/ fumbling as Wilson, you somehow knew that the 5th season would be his sweet spot to explode and kept holding him in dynasty?

Give me a break.

Why not? Trent's already being called a bust.

 

[Koya]

And so it starts, anew.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I can't understand how you can be anymore than cautiously optimistic about Wilson when it's not a 100% guarantee that he will even lead the team in carries, let alone be the next stud RB. I care no more about Wilson than I do Lamar Miller- which means "hopeful," but I'm putting all of my chips down. If he was so great he wouldn't have flopped so hard to start the season. He had a 40-yard TD late in a Browns blowout. Outside of that run he had 27 carries for 71 yards through week 10. 6 carries for 8 yards his first 3 weeks. Weeks 8-12 13 carries for 25 yards. He destroyed NO with another late run in a blowout but thats not saying much. The week after with the playoff on the line vs ATL Coughlin had him split carries with another journeymen, Kregg Lumpkin... Now when the game is on the line you expect Caughlin to sit a healthy Andre Brown for David Wilson? I will believe that when I see it. Wilson was more awful than not last season.

Wilson will be fine in the NFL. Plenty of solid RB's would be fine being the main carry RB for the NYG. I'm not hopping on the top-10 bandwagon anytime soon. Andre Brown is a better bargin at current ADP.

Buying low before a breakout is the key to dynasty fantasy football. Your post is a manual on how to suck.

No, that's how you save a roster spot for players I really backed like Knowshon Moreno.

I'm fine with you saying you didn't like Wilson etc. etc. but you're a riot.

You're saying that Wilson, in what would be his 3rd season is already a bust? But Knowshon who had the same issues w/ fumbling as Wilson, you somehow knew that the 5th season would be his sweet spot to explode and kept holding him in dynasty?

Give me a break.

Why not? Trent's already being called a bust.

Trent = 455 carries @ 3.3

Wilson = 115 carries @ 4.4

Wilson is still largely an unknown. Trent isn't.