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[B-Deep]

so is this a peterson vs jennigs thread now?

how odd

it is a better topic than wilson though, i'll give you that

 

[Koya]

Well from everything that I have read it sounds like Wilson and Brown both have protection issues.

Bottom line is this ...

Every Brown owner is going to make an unsubstantiated argument (based on FF Draft Value) that Brown is the back to own

Every Wilson owner is going to make an educated argument (based on talent, NFL draft position, performance, hype etc ...) that wilson is the back to own.

Every Giant fan who closely follows the Giants and most importantly does not have a dog in the fight (Myself) will tell you that it's Wilsons job to lose and there is no question about it

Anything can happen ...

Wilson could fumble, miss a block , drop a pass and that could change everything but ... so could Brown.

Oooof. Yeah monk, I think I see what's happening here. Lashing out isn't helping your recovery though. Sorry brother.

Thanks for pointing out that I was 100% right. Predicted it was Wilson's job to lose - 100% right

Predicted that Wilson could fumble or miss a block and lose his job - 100% right

Predicted Brown could fumble and lose his job - 100% right

Nostradamus would be proud !

I didn't predict the neck injury but not even my boy Nostradamus could have predicted that.

Bottom Line ... Wilson is still on the roster, Coughlin is prayin that he gets better and Brown is where has has been for most of his career .. looking for work

Thank you again

I guess I could have chosen one of the million posts you had defending your boy. It doesn't matter, you'd squirm no matter which one I used. We all know what's happening here, you can choose to accept it or not.

So you could have chosen any one of a million posts to make me squirm but instead you chose the one that makes me look like Nostradamus ?!?!? Keep up the good work !

Seriously, I don't know they I can handle another year of this. If ONLY it were shtick. The blind love for Wilson last year and a complete unwillingness to accept things not going the way that was actually predicted is one thing. But the petulant attack mode as if you were actually right with the calls while calling out others just kills the fun of some threads.

You can't have it both ways by claiming that it's his job to lose if things go wrong while at the same time trumpeting the guy as the greatest thing ever, then when he fails just call back on "well I said it was his job to lose - and he lost it" - way to have your cake and eat it too.

No No No Silly ... This is what looks like !

To directly answer your question - THIS is what I mean.

Not worth anymore effort, but if you want a clear example of what my (and other's I'd presume) issue is with your approach, that pretty much sums it up.

But you're alright with the post I was responding to

Honestly, recollection was not of this other poster repeatedly high-jacking the thread or insulting people or using hyperbole or pumping up how great their prediction is - all the while not accepting responsibility when certain prognostications did not pan out.

If you are going to go all in on a player, at least don't look to shirk responsibility if the predictions don't come to be. All the while being somewhat of a polarizing and negative force in a thread that should be about football, not about certain posters needling personalities.

Again, the knowledge and passion is great, but the delivery is utterly counterproductive. Just my honest impression, and better to discuss it now than when we are actually looking to information come late summer.

 

[Koya]

He doing backflips yet? Seems more important to him than TDs.

How's this for an unprovoked D-bag post from a guy who pretends to be the victim of petulant posting

This makes no sense. Am I the D-bag? Have I been unprovoked (last year was like a year long prodding with this disaster of an embarrassment of a thread) and not sure how I have become a "victim" here. In fact, I'm not sure petulance has a victim so much as a perpetrator.

But carry on, not much else to do this time of year.

 

[monk]

Honestly, recollection was not of this other poster repeatedly high-jacking the thread or insulting people or using hyperbole or pumping up how great their prediction is - all the while not accepting responsibility when certain prognostications did not pan out.

If you are going to go all in on a player, at least don't look to shirk responsibility if the predictions don't come to be. All the while being somewhat of a polarizing and negative force in a thread that should be about football, not about certain posters needling personalities.

Again, the knowledge and passion is great, but the delivery is utterly counterproductive. Just my honest impression, and better to discuss it now than when we are actually looking to information come late summer.

That's called selective memory

And what prognostications and predictions are you referring to? I didn't post a thing that I wouldn't stand by.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Honestly, recollection was not of this other poster repeatedly high-jacking the thread or insulting people or using hyperbole or pumping up how great their prediction is - all the while not accepting responsibility when certain prognostications did not pan out.

If you are going to go all in on a player, at least don't look to shirk responsibility if the predictions don't come to be. All the while being somewhat of a polarizing and negative force in a thread that should be about football, not about certain posters needling personalities.

Again, the knowledge and passion is great, but the delivery is utterly counterproductive. Just my honest impression, and better to discuss it now than when we are actually looking to information come late summer.

That's called selective memory

And what prognostications and predictions are you referring to? I didn't post a thing that I wouldn't stand by.

You should take it easy dude I know this Wilson stuff has made you go crazy, and I feel bad your heart was torn out by his failure. I'd give you an e-hug if you think it would make you feel better.

 

[Koya]

Honestly, recollection was not of this other poster repeatedly high-jacking the thread or insulting people or using hyperbole or pumping up how great their prediction is - all the while not accepting responsibility when certain prognostications did not pan out.

If you are going to go all in on a player, at least don't look to shirk responsibility if the predictions don't come to be. All the while being somewhat of a polarizing and negative force in a thread that should be about football, not about certain posters needling personalities.

Again, the knowledge and passion is great, but the delivery is utterly counterproductive. Just my honest impression, and better to discuss it now than when we are actually looking to information come late summer.

That's called selective memory

And what prognostications and predictions are you referring to? I didn't post a thing that I wouldn't stand by.

I don't recall the other poster. I do recall, strongly, your posts, approach and attitude. Can't speak positively or negatively about the other poster, did not leave the same impression upon me as did you.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Honestly, recollection was not of this other poster repeatedly high-jacking the thread or insulting people or using hyperbole or pumping up how great their prediction is - all the while not accepting responsibility when certain prognostications did not pan out.

If you are going to go all in on a player, at least don't look to shirk responsibility if the predictions don't come to be. All the while being somewhat of a polarizing and negative force in a thread that should be about football, not about certain posters needling personalities.

Again, the knowledge and passion is great, but the delivery is utterly counterproductive. Just my honest impression, and better to discuss it now than when we are actually looking to information come late summer.

That's called selective memory

And what prognostications and predictions are you referring to? I didn't post a thing that I wouldn't stand by.

I don't recall the other poster. I do recall, strongly, your posts, approach and attitude. Can't speak positively or negatively about the other poster, did not leave the same impression upon me as did you.

Your integrity is unmatched

 

[monk]

Honestly, recollection was not of this other poster repeatedly high-jacking the thread or insulting people or using hyperbole or pumping up how great their prediction is - all the while not accepting responsibility when certain prognostications did not pan out.

If you are going to go all in on a player, at least don't look to shirk responsibility if the predictions don't come to be. All the while being somewhat of a polarizing and negative force in a thread that should be about football, not about certain posters needling personalities.

Again, the knowledge and passion is great, but the delivery is utterly counterproductive. Just my honest impression, and better to discuss it now than when we are actually looking to information come late summer.

That's called selective memory

And what prognostications and predictions are you referring to? I didn't post a thing that I wouldn't stand by.

You should take it easy dude I know this Wilson stuff has made you go crazy, and I feel bad your heart was torn out by his failure. I'd give you an e-hug if you think it would make you feel better.

Imagine if I had gone out and traded for him in all of my dynasty leagues ... like somebody we know.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Honestly, recollection was not of this other poster repeatedly high-jacking the thread or insulting people or using hyperbole or pumping up how great their prediction is - all the while not accepting responsibility when certain prognostications did not pan out.

If you are going to go all in on a player, at least don't look to shirk responsibility if the predictions don't come to be. All the while being somewhat of a polarizing and negative force in a thread that should be about football, not about certain posters needling personalities.

Again, the knowledge and passion is great, but the delivery is utterly counterproductive. Just my honest impression, and better to discuss it now than when we are actually looking to information come late summer.

That's called selective memory

And what prognostications and predictions are you referring to? I didn't post a thing that I wouldn't stand by.

You should take it easy dude I know this Wilson stuff has made you go crazy, and I feel bad your heart was torn out by his failure. I'd give you an e-hug if you think it would make you feel better.

Imagine if I had gone out and traded for him in all of my dynasty leagues ... like somebody we know.

Who did that?

 

[monk]

Honestly, recollection was not of this other poster repeatedly high-jacking the thread or insulting people or using hyperbole or pumping up how great their prediction is - all the while not accepting responsibility when certain prognostications did not pan out.

If you are going to go all in on a player, at least don't look to shirk responsibility if the predictions don't come to be. All the while being somewhat of a polarizing and negative force in a thread that should be about football, not about certain posters needling personalities.

Again, the knowledge and passion is great, but the delivery is utterly counterproductive. Just my honest impression, and better to discuss it now than when we are actually looking to information come late summer.

That's called selective memory

And what prognostications and predictions are you referring to? I didn't post a thing that I wouldn't stand by.

You should take it easy dude I know this Wilson stuff has made you go crazy, and I feel bad your heart was torn out by his failure. I'd give you an e-hug if you think it would make you feel better.

Imagine if I had gone out and traded for him in all of my dynasty leagues ... like somebody we know.

Who did that?

Oh you know

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Honestly, recollection was not of this other poster repeatedly high-jacking the thread or insulting people or using hyperbole or pumping up how great their prediction is - all the while not accepting responsibility when certain prognostications did not pan out.

If you are going to go all in on a player, at least don't look to shirk responsibility if the predictions don't come to be. All the while being somewhat of a polarizing and negative force in a thread that should be about football, not about certain posters needling personalities.

Again, the knowledge and passion is great, but the delivery is utterly counterproductive. Just my honest impression, and better to discuss it now than when we are actually looking to information come late summer.

That's called selective memory

And what prognostications and predictions are you referring to? I didn't post a thing that I wouldn't stand by.

You should take it easy dude I know this Wilson stuff has made you go crazy, and I feel bad your heart was torn out by his failure. I'd give you an e-hug if you think it would make you feel better.

Imagine if I had gone out and traded for him in all of my dynasty leagues ... like somebody we know.

Who did that?

Oh you know

You?

 

[Yenrub]

Well from everything that I have read it sounds like Wilson and Brown both have protection issues.


Bottom line is this ...

Every Brown owner is going to make an unsubstantiated argument (based on FF Draft Value) that Brown is the back to own

Every Wilson owner is going to make an educated argument (based on talent, NFL draft position, performance, hype etc ...) that wilson is the back to own.

Every Giant fan who closely follows the Giants and most importantly does not have a dog in the fight (Myself) will tell you that it's Wilsons job to lose and there is no question about it

Anything can happen ...

Wilson could fumble, miss a block , drop a pass and that could change everything but ... so could Brown.

Oooof. Yeah monk, I think I see what's happening here. Lashing out isn't helping your recovery though. Sorry brother.

Thanks for pointing out that I was 100% right.

Predicted it was Wilson's job to lose - 100% right

Predicted that Wilson could fumble or miss a block and lose his job - 100% right

Predicted Brown could fumble and lose his job - 100% right

Nostradamus would be proud !

I didn't predict the neck injury but not even my boy Nostradamus could have predicted that.

Bottom Line ... Wilson is still on the roster, Coughlin is prayin that he gets better and Brown is where has has been for most of his career .. looking for work

Thank you again

Looks like Brown has found work....again

He signed with the Texans to back up Foster

 

[Faust]

Giants' David Wilson ahead of schedule after surgeryBy Dan Hanzus

Around the League Writer

Tom Coughlin is "praying" that David Wilson still has a future in the NFL. Wilson doesn't sound like a guy leaning on a higher power.

The third-year running back showed up at New York Giants offseason workouts in fine shape and sounding confident that the neck injury that ended his 2013 season won't derail his career.

"As soon as the doctor sees what he wants to see, then I'm good," Wilson said of being cleared, according to the New York Daily News. "Right now (the doctor) said I'm doing really well and I'm ahead of schedule. That's positive things to hear."

Wilson said he has no pain or any symptoms in his neck, injured last November against the Philadelphia Eagles. He had surgery fusing the vertebrae in his neck in January.

Wilson acknowledged he's frustrated to remain in a holding pattern despite feeling 100 percent.

"So, when I'm going to see all these doctors, I passed every test except for picture and that's the only reason I'm not on the field," he said, in reference to an MRI exam. "So right now we just need to get the photograph that we need."

Though it's easy to forget, Wilson was hyped as one of 2013's breakout stars entering last season. His presence would be a huge benefit for a Giants backfield group currently anchored by Rashad Jennings and Peyton Hillis.

In the latest edition of the "Around The League Podcast," the guys talk Geno Smith's future in New York and pick the winners and losers of free agency.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

GM Jerry Reese said RB David Wilson (neck) remains on schedule to be back this season.
In the same breath, Reese stated that Wilson's potential return would be a "bonus." It means nothing has changed: The Giants are hoping Wilson gains medical clearance, but it's far from a sure thing. They've already protected themselves by adding reliable Rashad Jennings as a potential three-down workhorse.

Related: Rashad Jennings

Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

 

[ShaHBucks]

Bump

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Williams will own early down work, clock-killing carries, and GL work sooner rather than later.

 

[JohnnyU]

GM Jerry Reese expects David Wilson (neck) to be cleared for contact by the start of training camp.

Rotoworld

 

[monk]

GM Jerry Reese expects David Wilson (neck) to be cleared for contact by the start of training camp.

Rotoworld

Giants will be loaded at RB !!!

 

[TheFanatic]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

 

[Louche]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Andre Williams.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

 

[TheFanatic]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

You said " they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft". They did.

 

[monk]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

The guys a beast ... Led the NCAA in rushing and could have been a 1st round pick if RBs still had value.

Fantastic pick in the 4th round

 

[Yenrub]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

CBS (I didn’t feel like looking up other rankings) had Williams rated as the 5th best RB in this draft with a 3rd round projection

He was drafted in the 4th round

At 5’11” 230 Williams is a power back that can’t catch

 

[Louche]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

Why do people disregard picks in the 4th round like it is nothing? 4th round is still early. There are seven rounds in the draft and after that teams scramble to sign 5-15 UDFAs like their life depended on it. 4th round is nothing to brush aside, particularly not at RB. He was the 10th RB selected in this draft. How is that "not adding anyone at RB"? He ran a 4.56 at 230 pounds and had a 10'9" broadjump and a 38" vert. He tied for 2nd among RBs in the 20 yd shuttle at the combine, and 3rd best in the 60 yd shuttle. Now, to bring things down a bit...he's been described as having hands of stone and zero shake, but the dude is explosive. Have you seen his college tape?

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

Why do people disregard picks in the 4th round like it is nothing? 4th round is still early. There are seven rounds in the draft and after that teams scramble to sign 5-15 UDFAs like their life depended on it. 4th round is nothing to brush aside, particularly not at RB. He was the 10th RB selected in this draft. How is that "not adding anyone at RB"? He ran a 4.56 at 230 pounds and had a 10'9" broadjump and a 38" vert. He tied for 2nd among RBs in the 20 yd shuttle at the combine, and 3rd best in the 60 yd shuttle. Now, to bring things down a bit...he's been described as having hands of stone and zero shake, but the dude is explosive. Have you seen his college tape?

How many 4th round RB's become starters????

That's why.

 

[Yenrub]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

Why do people disregard picks in the 4th round like it is nothing? 4th round is still early. There are seven rounds in the draft and after that teams scramble to sign 5-15 UDFAs like their life depended on it. 4th round is nothing to brush aside, particularly not at RB. He was the 10th RB selected in this draft. How is that "not adding anyone at RB"? He ran a 4.56 at 230 pounds and had a 10'9" broadjump and a 38" vert. He tied for 2nd among RBs in the 20 yd shuttle at the combine, and 3rd best in the 60 yd shuttle. Now, to bring things down a bit...he's been described as having hands of stone and zero shake, but the dude is explosive. Have you seen his college tape?

How many 4th round RB's become starters????

That's why.

Fantasy production can come from any round

Here are a few fantasy relevant RB that were drafted (or undrafted) after the 4th round

Arian Foster undrafted

Alfred Morris 6th round

Zac Stacy 5th round

Andre Ellington 6th round

Joique Bell undrafted

But to your credit non of them were drafted IN the 4th round

 

[Louche]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

Why do people disregard picks in the 4th round like it is nothing? 4th round is still early. There are seven rounds in the draft and after that teams scramble to sign 5-15 UDFAs like their life depended on it. 4th round is nothing to brush aside, particularly not at RB. He was the 10th RB selected in this draft. How is that "not adding anyone at RB"? He ran a 4.56 at 230 pounds and had a 10'9" broadjump and a 38" vert. He tied for 2nd among RBs in the 20 yd shuttle at the combine, and 3rd best in the 60 yd shuttle. Now, to bring things down a bit...he's been described as having hands of stone and zero shake, but the dude is explosive. Have you seen his college tape?

How many 4th round RB's become starters????

That's why.

Sounds like you need to fast forward a couple years. Last season five rookie RBs became fantasy contributors in their rookie year (Gio, Lacy, Bell, Ellington, Stacy). Two of them were drafted in the 5th or later. Quite obviously a player that is drafted high will be more likely to get playing time, but it's not like it's a freak occurrence for a mid round pick to succeed.

 

[monk]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

Why do people disregard picks in the 4th round like it is nothing? 4th round is still early. There are seven rounds in the draft and after that teams scramble to sign 5-15 UDFAs like their life depended on it. 4th round is nothing to brush aside, particularly not at RB. He was the 10th RB selected in this draft. How is that "not adding anyone at RB"? He ran a 4.56 at 230 pounds and had a 10'9" broadjump and a 38" vert. He tied for 2nd among RBs in the 20 yd shuttle at the combine, and 3rd best in the 60 yd shuttle. Now, to bring things down a bit...he's been described as having hands of stone and zero shake, but the dude is explosive. Have you seen his college tape?

How many 4th round RB's become starters????

That's why.

Lots

 

[Touchdown There]

Let's change the question. What percentage of 4th round running backs become starters over a 1st round running back?

 

[steveski]

Continuing off topic: The Andre Williams pick was a great one and it is definitely not just a backup guy. Giants love their pounding RBs and that's what he is. I don't know anything about McAdoo, but in the past, that is the definition of a Giants dream RB. The fact that he went early 4th round sounds bad at first, but when you factor in that the first RB off the board went late 2nd, it's not really a normal 4th round pick. If RB's went off the board in the early 1st, then Williams would have been a late 2nd round pick....

Back on topic: He doesn't threaten Wilson as much as Rashad Jennings does. I hope Jennings goes to a backup or a guy that 5 or so carries a game for relief/rest. Wilson is dynamic and can catch the ball. Combine that with Williams that can pound the ball and you have a great combo. This is assuming that the new OC can get a little creative. Only putting Wilson in the game when you plan on giving him the ball and only giving him the ball between the tackles (with what was a horrible o-line) is not the way to use a guy like Wilson.

Even though I don't own Wilson in any dynasty leagues, I'm a believer. I have a dynasty startup coming up soon and I plan on getting him. If he's there Round 8 or later, he's mine. To be fair, I'm also targeting Williams. And I'm a homer...so take that as you will.

 

[Louche]

Let's change the question. What percentage of 4th round running backs become starters over a 1st round running back?

Well, Rashad Jennings was drafted in the 7th round.

 

[Yenrub]

Let's change the question. What percentage of 4th round running backs become starters over a 1st round running back?

Are you expecting David Wilson to the starter?

 

[monk]

Let's change the question. What percentage of 4th round running backs become starters over a 1st round running back?

50%

 

[Avery]

Let's change the question. What percentage of 4th round running backs become starters over a 1st round running back?

It's a silly question if you're looking for clarity about the Giants backfield. When you look at generalities that broad, you often missing what is happening.

For example, how many old 6th round pick QBs can keep a 2nd round QB pick off the field? I'd say few can but at the same time I don't expect Jimmy Garoppolo to beat out Tom Brady.

 

[TheFanatic]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

You said " they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft". They did.

Sorry, in my head I wrote that as, "They didn't do much in the draft to address RB," not that they didn't grab anybody. They grabbed a body, but that's about it. Had they felt that the RB position was in bad shape, they would've taken one earlier (the 11th pick in the second could've gotten them the pick of the litter). So that begs the next question, who do the Giants think will tote the rock for them? Is it Jennings? Hillis? The 4th round rookie, who despite the many exceptions listed is very much a long shot to be a starter? Just maybe it's Wilson. Maybe the rook tears it up. He will undoubtedly get a chance to win the starting job considering the competition and the opportunity is a huge part of the battle...

 

[Archer]

For the record, I have no idea who will be the Giants starting RB by the end of the year. We know Tom doesn't like rookies that much....Jennings is solid, but doesn't have the home run threat Wilson does. I also think its very possible the Giants are playing for 3rd or 4th place in the division this year, so I wonder if that comes into the equation at all....

 

[Dr. Octopus]

What a mess. Jennings is a career backup, Hillis was laying tile when he got the call and Wilson might be ready for contact by training camp but anything he does will be gravy. Ugh. That being said, they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft. With all the chumps on the roster, Wilson has a solid shot at starting if he's healthy. Don't drop the ball, jackass

Yes they did, Andre Williams.

a 4th round pick is addressing the RB situation? That's adding depth (very shallow depth) and a special teamer 90% of the time.

You said " they didn't add anyone at RB in the draft". They did.

Sorry, in my head I wrote that as, "They didn't do much in the draft to address RB," not that they didn't grab anybody. They grabbed a body, but that's about it. Had they felt that the RB position was in bad shape, they would've taken one earlier (the 11th pick in the second could've gotten them the pick of the litter). So that begs the next question, who do the Giants think will tote the rock for them? Is it Jennings? Hillis? The 4th round rookie, who despite the many exceptions listed is very much a long shot to be a starter? Just maybe it's Wilson. Maybe the rook tears it up. He will undoubtedly get a chance to win the starting job considering the competition and the opportunity is a huge part of the battle...

I think it's Jennings to start off, and then they/we see how it plays out. I own Wilson in one league, but right now I'm in the "I'll beleive it when I see it" camp with him. I do think Williams was only added as a depth piece, for 2014 at least, but he does have some potential given his size and speed and the Giants traditionally seeming to know what they're doing in the draft. Jennings had a nice run in a limited sample size in 2013, but there's no guarantee that he's the answer, so Williams could take over at some point and run with the job. He's similiar in a lot of ways to Brandon Jacobs who had some nice success with the team.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Let's change the question. What percentage of 4th round running backs become starters over a 1st round running back?

Are you expecting David Wilson to the starter?

Wilson has the most natural running talent, so if he's healthy, learns to pass protect, and holds on to the football, he should win out. Of course those are three pretty humongous "if"s, so it's probably pretty likely that Jennings leads the team in RB touches in 2014, with an eye toward a Wilson / Williams RBBC of some type as the long term solution.

 

[matttyl]

Let's change the question. What percentage of 4th round running backs become starters over a 1st round running back?

Andre Ellington (6th rounder) take over the starting role from former first rounder Mendy?

Lamar Miller (4th rounder) took over the starting role from 2nd rounder Daniel Thomas.

Vick Ballard (5th rounder) took over the starting role from 1st rounder Donald Brown.

We may see Khiry Robinson take over the starting role from 1st rounder Ingram - a starting job currently held by undrafted Pierre Thomas.

R Jennings was a 7th rounder, took over for 1st rounder MJD 2 years ago.

Doesn't happen much, but it does happen, and I'm sure I missed some. Every situation is different, though.

 

[Touchdown There]

Let's change the question. What percentage of 4th round running backs become starters over a 1st round running back?

Are you expecting David Wilson to the starter?

Wilson has the most natural running talent, so if he's healthy, learns to pass protect, and holds on to the football, he should win out. Of course those are three pretty humongous "if"s, so it's probably pretty likely that Jennings leads the team in RB touches in 2014, with an eye toward a Wilson / Williams RBBC of some type as the long term solution.

I am not expecting David Wilson to stay healthy. If he does stay healthy, I have no doubt he will start.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

David Wilson - RB - Giants

According to ESPN's Dan Graziano, "no one knows" if David Wilson (neck) will play football again.

Graziano concedes "indications are" that Wilson will receive clearance, but the Giants are operating as if he may not, drafting Andre Williams in the fourth round, signing Rashad Jennings, and re-signing Peyton Hillis. If Wilson does return, he's expected to fit in as a change-of-pace back, not the Giants' starter.

Source: ESPN.com

May 23 - 2:00 PM

 

[Yenrub]

Rashad Jennings “Bash”

Andre Williams “Smash”

David Wilson “Dash”

 

[Khy]

Rashad Jennings “Bash”

Andre Williams “Smash”

David Wilson “Dash”

Rashad Jennings “Tumble”

Andre Williams “Rumble”

David Wilson “Fumble”

 

[menobrown]

According to ESPN's Dan Graziano,

If Wilson does return, he's expected to fit in as a change-of-pace back, not the Giants' starter.

That's how I've always thought it would go for Wilson.

This is pretty much what I've always viewed as his best case multi-step scenario:

Step one: get cleared

Step two: operate as COP back to begin the season.

Step three: while doing step 2 hold onto the ball, learn to pass protect, earn coaches trust and put the talent on display that no other RB on this team has.

Step 4: reclaim starting job based how well he does in step 3 and/or combined with Rashad Jennings/Andre Williams/Hillis inability to be the lead back.

This may all seem kind of obvious, I just never really envisioned him stepping out in week one as the starting RB even if he looks outstanding in training camp/preseason. It's more of a process.

 

[steveski]

I think he'd even put up some good fantasy numbers as a COP back. That's essentially how he was used last year before his injury. The only difference is that change of pace meant a draw play up the middle, every single time.

I don't know any back in the league that would put up good numbers when the defense knew he was getting the ball and it was going between the tackles and behind a horrible offensive line.

People are quick to forget how he finished up the 2012 season. The final 4 games he went 43/247/3 rushing.

 

[bucsbaby]

If the NYG offense isn't less of a mess this year, no RB is going to do well.

 

[Faust]

I find it amusing that the David Wilson thread has 107 pages, and yet he has just slightly more career carries right now at 115.

 

[Run It Up]

I find it amusing that the David Wilson thread has 107 pages, and yet he has just slightly more career carries right now at 115.

He has more impressive carries than there are impressive posts in this thread as well.