***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.
Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.


Source: ESPN New York

 

[ODannyBoy]

I can't believe so many people are high on Andre Brown this offseason. Conventional wisdom gone crazy. He might be ok, but people are talking about him being a great value where he's being drafted. I don't get it - he's a backup RB, nothing more. This is not going to be a committee.

Are you privy to some inside info that no one else has available?

No, just my opinion. No doubt Brown was pretty impressive when he got the opportunity last year, but I just think this committe talk is overblown. Brown will get some carries, but some people are just assuming he will get all the carries at the goal line for some reason, which I doubt happens, and the consensus seems to be that it will be around a 60-40 split in workload, if not more even. I just find that hard to believe unless Wilson completely falls flat on his face, which is a scenario that I suppose many people see playing out. Basically, I think people are projecting a worst case scenario for Wilson and a best case for Brown, which is a bit unfair to Wilson. He's talented, the Giants want him to succeed, and I think there's an excellent chance that he will this year.

It's not that I dislike Brown or don't think he can be a decent starter when called upon, but I just think this has become one of those group think situations, where a certain opinion picks up momentum and suddenly everyone is parroting it because it sounds "sharky". It's kind of like the Zac Stacy thing - in the space of a couple of weeks everyone was listing him as one of their favourite sleepers, even though I doubt the majority of those people had actually seen him play in college. It has become trendy to pick Brown as a RB3/flex sleeper, who could do even more than that. Never mind the fact that he has never been able to stay on the field. Many people have expressed the view that he's a better value at his ADP than Wilson as well - I just think that is ludicrous. Wilson has some risk (though I think less than some people want to believe), but if he hits, he will be a tremendous value. I just don't see Brown as having the upside of anywhere near where he's being drafted, unless of course Wilson suffered a major injury.

I don't have a dog in this race, but I wouldn't be surprised of Brown was waiver material a few weeks into the season. I guess all will be revealed in time and I'm happy to be proven wrong. I just wouldn't want to miss out on drafting a potential RB1 type player because of the threat of Andre Brown.

Interesting perspective, but I just don't see where you are getting the info from which you base these conclusions.

My biggest horse in this race? Giants victories. And to that end, as I've stated before, there is nothing that points toward Wilson getting goal lines, and as of now, big question marks regarding how much of a role he will have on 3rd downs. Without one of those, he can have a very good season. Without both? Could be an ok #2 with some really big games and some 80-100 total yard relative duds, which is the most likely outcome in my opinion.

Did you watch many of the games last year? Don't know how people can discount Brown outside of the (large) injury issue. The guy looked fantastic. Power, speed, surprising ability to get to daylight. If I had to compare, he looked like a poor man's Arian Foster to a degree and was very, very productive for a stretch. To just shrug that off and suggest he will be waiver wire fodder confounds me. Injury concern, sure - but he has shown as much or even more during his time on the field than Wilson, although I'm not suggesting his upside is greater than Wilson's overall.

But, for the umpteenth time:

1. Wilson is not likely to get goal lines. You'd have to assume that's going to Brown for now.

2. Wilson is totally unproven regarding pass protection. Does that mean he can't nor will ever be able to block well or be a third down back? No. But you are postulating a lot if you suggest that it's likely.

3. Wilson will likely get a lot of yards, 1 & 2 downs between the 20s, has speed for some breakout runs and long TDs so he's in line for a nice year - with upside. But to "expect" all these other dominos to fall is wishful thinking.

As a Giants fan, I HOPE Im proven wrong and Wilson just goes absolute gangbusters. But don't tell me that anything we have actually seen would suggest this is the year where it's likely to happen.

The problem with your position is that it inevitably becomes a "Wilson won't..." position in terms of 2013. You think it's a position in between optimism and pessimism. But since Wilson WILL get drafted by someone, it means your position will look that same as the pessimist's who is passing on Wilson because he doesn't think Wilson is that good.

In redraft leagues that mistake only hurts you one year. But in keeper leagues, that "prove it" strategy will always keep you missing out on young guys pre-breakout when they are cheeapest. And getting those guys pre-breakout and then having them for years is what really helps.

What is a bit odd is that you are banking against Wilson being the back in there on passing downs but yet can't identify the back that will be. And someone else has already shown where the Giants didn't trust Brown in there last year either. So why would we think he's the one? Yet they let their best pass blocker, Bradshaw, leave, so it has to be someone other than Bradshaw.

So then they are still waiting to bring in a pass blocking specialist...or Wilson has as good or better chance to be the passing down back than does anyone else on the roster.

 

[ODannyBoy]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.
Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.


Source: ESPN New York

This Youngmisuk guy seems to be driving this RBBC talk but I have yet to see him actually reference or quote anyone inside the Giants with any actual knowledge of the situation. So this is starting to look a bit like a beat writer voicing his own opinion and then everyone else cites it as if it's actual news.

Who is this guy and would he have any sources for his opinion other than his gut? If it's his gut, does he have a history of making good calls? If it's not his gut, does he have inside sources that are feeding him info that would justify us believing this as hard news?

 

[Touchdown There]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.
Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.


Source: ESPN New York

This Youngmisuk guy seems to be driving this RBBC talk but I have yet to see him actually reference or quote anyone inside the Giants with any actual knowledge of the situation. So this is starting to look a bit like a beat writer voicing his own opinion and then everyone else cites it as if it's actual news.

Who is this guy and would he have any sources for his opinion other than his gut? If it's his gut, does he have a history of making good calls? If it's not his gut, does he have inside sources that are feeding him info that would justify us believing this as hard news?

Most beat writers have team contacts, but that is not really what you should focus on when you read stuff like this. When you prop up David Wilson in the media and say he is "the guy" then you immediately have a problem with Andre Brown. Coaches will call it a committee or competition, but when it is all said and done, the Giants did not let Bradshaw walk to roll with Andre Brown. Brown is a clear backup on a 1 year tender.

You saw the same thing happen with Lamar Miller in the last few weeks. Supposedly the #1 job in Miami is still up for grabs - if you believe what you read by beat writers. Coach speak is done to reduce team conflict.

 

[TheFanatic]

Brown and Wilson are both cited as having pass pro problems.

The team decided against bringing back Bradshaw, OR even bring in any established vet

Brown is very effective but beyond brittle

Wilson is electric

The team keeps saying this is a competition with one side of their mouth and then talks out of the other side and puts Wilson atop the depth chart weeks ago when some teams don't fill that out until training camp is in full swing.

All of this hope for Brown being in there for 3rd downs (yet is bad at pass protection) or will be the goal line back (yet is frequently injured and became that way in that role last year) is nothing more than wishful thinking by Brown owners who thought they got a steal on the WW last year. The BEST that Brown can hope for is a goal line/3rd down back, but in reality, how many guys have ever had both of those roles? Usually the 3rd down buy is more of a pass catcher and good blocker than a bruiser at the goal line. Maybe he can do it, maybe not.

The talk of a RBBC and competition is all coach speak at this point to keep the RB's motivated. These idiot beat writers are running with it. Remember the beat writers in baseball that couldn't figure out how Sosa and McGwire hit so many HR's or now who can't figure out how ADP, Charles, RGIII, Welker, etc have all come back from catastrophic injuries? Same guys. Idiots, most of them.

I would be willing to bet that Wilson has been doing nothing but staying in shape and working on pass blocking this offseason. Them letting Bradshaw goes tells me that his skills in that area have greatly improved. If that is the case, this talk of Wilson being overvalued is nuts...

 

[ShaHBucks]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

 

[TheFanatic]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

Says the guy who said this:

Don't quote me on this, but it did matter last season. In standard scoring the top 12 RB were over 220 pounds. The only exceptions had sub 4.3 speed.

It was patently false and shown to be many times over and yet you just kept saying the same thing... Nice try though...

 

[ShaHBucks]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

Says the guy who said this:

Don't quote me on this, but it did matter last season. In standard scoring the top 12 RB were over 220 pounds. The only exceptions had sub 4.3 speed.

It was patently false and shown to be many times over and yet you just kept saying the same thing... Nice try though...

What part of don't quote me don't you get? The guys you named were close to 220 and run with a fair amount of power.

 

[Touchdown There]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

 

[TheFanatic]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

Says the guy who said this:

Don't quote me on this, but it did matter last season. In standard scoring the top 12 RB were over 220 pounds. The only exceptions had sub 4.3 speed.

It was patently false and shown to be many times over and yet you just kept saying the same thing... Nice try though...

What part of don't quote me don't you get? The guys you named were close to 220 and run with a fair amount of power.

Wow, you just misquoted yourself and the line is right there in front of you. At least three guys in the top 12 were closer to 200 than 220. But hey, if you put "don't quote me on this," at the beginning of something you can pretty much say whatever BS you want according to your logic. Sort of like a pre-emptive, "I'm just sayin'" at the beginning rather than the end.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

Says the guy who said this:

Don't quote me on this, but it did matter last season. In standard scoring the top 12 RB were over 220 pounds. The only exceptions had sub 4.3 speed.

It was patently false and shown to be many times over and yet you just kept saying the same thing... Nice try though...

What part of don't quote me don't you get? The guys you named were close to 220 and run with a fair amount of power.

Wow, you just misquoted yourself and the line is right there in front of you. At least three guys in the top 12 were closer to 200 than 220. But hey, if you put "don't quote me on this," at the beginning of something you can pretty much say whatever BS you want according to your logic. Sort of like a pre-emptive, "I'm just sayin'" at the beginning rather than the end.

Others:

"No offense, but..."

"With all due respect..."

 

[ShaHBucks]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

Says the guy who said this:

Don't quote me on this, but it did matter last season. In standard scoring the top 12 RB were over 220 pounds. The only exceptions had sub 4.3 speed.

It was patently false and shown to be many times over and yet you just kept saying the same thing... Nice try though...

What part of don't quote me don't you get? The guys you named were close to 220 and run with a fair amount of power.

Wow, you just misquoted yourself and the line is right there in front of you. At least three guys in the top 12 were closer to 200 than 220. But hey, if you put "don't quote me on this," at the beginning of something you can pretty much say whatever BS you want according to your logic. Sort of like a pre-emptive, "I'm just sayin'" at the beginning rather than the end.

Now you've put my comment out of context. You were saying size doesn't matter and that's when I replied it does matter recently. Charles, Spiller and CJ run 4.3s like I said. The other guys are closer to 220 than 200 pounds. I'm not sure why I had to explain that. Now back to your 4th round committee back.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I don't care what his 40 time was, it's obvious that Wilson has game-breaking speed. He hits a different gear.

 

[Phenix]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.

Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.

Source: ESPN New York

I'm a David Wilson owner. I ignore red flags like this for no objective reason at all.

 

[Touchdown There]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

Perfect end of year post to bump. Thank you for that.

 

[ShaHBucks]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

I am sorry that your fantasy team with Andre Brown will produce fewer points than you expect.

I am sorry your fantasy team will get burnt because it has a owner buying the hype.

Perfect end of year post to bump. Thank you for that.

That's lame.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.

Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.

Source: ESPN New York

I'm a David Wilson owner. I ignore red flags like this for no objective reason at all.

Beat writer speculation is a red flag in your book? Could we at least wait until these guys are reporting on training camp reps with the 1st team and in passing situations? Then they're trustworthy.

 

[zamboni]

As a Wilson owner, I am definitely concerned about an RBBC with Brown. But not off of some baseless beat writer's opinion. Let's see what the coaches say/do.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.

Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.

Source: ESPN New York

I'm a David Wilson owner. I ignore red flags like this for no objective reason at all.

Beat writer speculation is a red flag in your book? Could we at least wait until these guys are reporting on training camp reps with the 1st team and in passing situations? Then they're trustworthy.

I said the same thing last season and guys still ignored any red flags involving David Wilson. It won't matter. Just read through the thread.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.

Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.

Source: ESPN New York

I'm a David Wilson owner. I ignore red flags like this for no objective reason at all.

Beat writer speculation is a red flag in your book? Could we at least wait until these guys are reporting on training camp reps with the 1st team and in passing situations? Then they're trustworthy.

I said the same thing last season and guys still ignored any red flags involving David Wilson. It won't matter. Just read through the thread.

That's fine. And there is a risk that this will be a true RBBC with Brown as long as he's healthy. That doesn't mean you should quote baseless speculation from a beat writer before training camp truly gets in swing to get your funny jabs in--it makes you look desperate to make a point because there's nothing in that blurb you quoted that means anything at all.

 

[Yenrub]

Brown and Wilson are both cited as having pass pro problems.

The team decided against bringing back Bradshaw, OR even bring in any established vet

Brown is very effective but beyond brittle

Wilson is electric

The team keeps saying this is a competition with one side of their mouth and then talks out of the other side and puts Wilson atop the depth chart weeks ago when some teams don't fill that out until training camp is in full swing.

All of this hope for Brown being in there for 3rd downs (yet is bad at pass protection) or will be the goal line back (yet is frequently injured and became that way in that role last year) is nothing more than wishful thinking by Brown owners who thought they got a steal on the WW last year. The BEST that Brown can hope for is a goal line/3rd down back, but in reality, how many guys have ever had both of those roles? Usually the 3rd down buy is more of a pass catcher and good blocker than a bruiser at the goal line. Maybe he can do it, maybe not.

The talk of a RBBC and competition is all coach speak at this point to keep the RB's motivated. These idiot beat writers are running with it. Remember the beat writers in baseball that couldn't figure out how Sosa and McGwire hit so many HR's or now who can't figure out how ADP, Charles, RGIII, Welker, etc have all come back from catastrophic injuries? Same guys. Idiots, most of them.

I would be willing to bet that Wilson has been doing nothing but staying in shape and working on pass blocking this offseason. Them letting Bradshaw goes tells me that his skills in that area have greatly improved. If that is the case, this talk of Wilson being overvalued is nuts...

Do you have a link to the depth chart the Giants released?

 

[ShaHBucks]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.

Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.

Source: ESPN New York

I'm a David Wilson owner. I ignore red flags like this for no objective reason at all.

Beat writer speculation is a red flag in your book? Could we at least wait until these guys are reporting on training camp reps with the 1st team and in passing situations? Then they're trustworthy.

I said the same thing last season and guys still ignored any red flags involving David Wilson. It won't matter. Just read through the thread.

That's fine. And there is a risk that this will be a true RBBC with Brown as long as he's healthy. That doesn't mean you should quote baseless speculation from a beat writer before training camp truly gets in swing to get your funny jabs in--it makes you look desperate to make a point because there's nothing in that blurb you quoted that means anything at all.

I don't dislike Wilson. I think he's ok. I do like making fun of this unquenchable passion everyone has for him even though he was a complete letdown for FF last season. It's funny to me. Please don't take that away from me Mr. ConnSKINS26.

 

[Shawnky]

How was Wilson a complete letdown last year? He was a rookie and 3rd on the depth chart. He was barely worth a late round pick.

 

[gethugefast1]

So happy my drafts are at the end of August/beginning of September.

 

[DropKick]

David Wilson threads make me sick to stomach. How stubborn can you get??

Says the guy who said this:

Don't quote me on this, but it did matter last season. In standard scoring the top 12 RB were over 220 pounds. The only exceptions had sub 4.3 speed.

It was patently false and shown to be many times over and yet you just kept saying the same thing... Nice try though...

What part of don't quote me don't you get? The guys you named were close to 220 and run with a fair amount of power.

Wow, you just misquoted yourself and the line is right there in front of you. At least three guys in the top 12 were closer to 200 than 220. But hey, if you put "don't quote me on this," at the beginning of something you can pretty much say whatever BS you want according to your logic. Sort of like a pre-emptive, "I'm just sayin'" at the beginning rather than the end.

Now you've put my comment out of context. You were saying size doesn't matter and that's when I replied it does matter recently.Charles, Spiller and CJ run 4.3s like I said. The other guys are closer to 220 than 200 pounds. I'm not sure why I had to explain that. Now back to your 4th round committee back.

So your point is that backs needs some positive characteristic of speed, power, vision, size and overall athletic ability? I've always had an intuitive feel for that... I mean how many Certified Public Accountants over 50 have ever been in the top 10 backs?

 

[Touchdown There]

Stay healthy Mr. Wilson, you have something to show the haters. *fingers crossed*

 

[Touchdown There]

Plus ShaHBucks, you are in the David Wilson Bandwagon thread proclaiming your dislike of Wilson owners. Have some class.

 

[Chaos Commish]

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/page/nfldk2k13_TMR_100_facts/matthew-berry-100-facts-need-know-drafting-your-fantasy-football-team

35. Over the first 13 weeks of the 2012 season, 95 different running backs had more fantasy points than David Wilson (12).

36. Over the final four weeks of the 2012 season, only six running backs had more fantasy points than Wilson (55).

37. Per Pro Football Focus, among running backs with at least 70 carries, no one had more fantasy points per opportunity (carries and pass routes) than … Wilson.

38. Wilson averaged 5.0 yards per carry. He was one of only seven running backs to have at least 70 carries and average 5 yards or more per carry last season.

I think Wilson is very close to being an elite talent. He has great field speed, excellent power for his size, balance to rival any back in the league, great lateral game, rare burst and acceleration, a few other positive intangibles. Coughlin or injury are the only things preventing him from being a fantasy gold mine this year. His ADP will steadily rise. If you want him, drafting early August is better than drafting in September. The hype will grow.

 

[ODannyBoy]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.

Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.

Source: ESPN New York

I'm a David Wilson owner. I ignore red flags like this for no objective reason at all.

Beat writer speculation is a red flag in your book? Could we at least wait until these guys are reporting on training camp reps with the 1st team and in passing situations? Then they're trustworthy.

I said the same thing last season and guys still ignored any red flags involving David Wilson. It won't matter. Just read through the thread.

None of us really knows why Wilson was so underutilized last season. Even though he fumbled, Coughlin left him in to return kicks. So if it was the fumbles, it was more simple stubborn punishment than any real concern, else why have him in there to fumble kicks inside the 20? And Wilson was in on some pass plays last season, so he wasn't so bad at it that they didn't let him do it. And being poor in pass protection wouldn't explain his lack of carries.

I think Coughlin was trying to discipline and mold a high strung rookie. There are hints at that.

But what we know is that he produced when given the chance and they let Bradshaw go in the offseason.

So lets think about it. The two schools of thought are 1) that Wilson will get the majority share or 2) that it will be a full blown RBBC with Brown.

Isn't it interesting that no one is really taking the position that Brown will be the lead? Why is that? If Wilson wasn't impressive to you, why concede that Brown isn't going to be the lead absent an official statement from the team? What are you seeing that convinces you Wilson's going to get a share anywhere near comparable to Brown? Why aren't you boldly claiming that Brown will be the lead?

 

[JohnnyU]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York anticipates the Giants will "split carries" between David Wilson and Andre Brown.

Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk describes Wilson and Brown as a "one-two punch," and at least some of Wilson's playing time will be tied to pass protection. We'll get a better read on the Wilson-Brown situation as camp progresses, but to this point the tentative plan seems to be a running back committee.

Source: ESPN New York

I'm a David Wilson owner. I ignore red flags like this for no objective reason at all.

Beat writer speculation is a red flag in your book? Could we at least wait until these guys are reporting on training camp reps with the 1st team and in passing situations? Then they're trustworthy.

I said the same thing last season and guys still ignored any red flags involving David Wilson. It won't matter. Just read through the thread.

None of us really knows why Wilson was so underutilized last season. Even though he fumbled, Coughlin left him in to return kicks. So if it was the fumbles, it was more simple stubborn punishment than any real concern, else why have him in there to fumble kicks inside the 20? And Wilson was in on some pass plays last season, so he wasn't so bad at it that they didn't let him do it. And being poor in pass protection wouldn't explain his lack of carries.

I think Coughlin was trying to discipline and mold a high strung rookie. There are hints at that.

But what we know is that he produced when given the chance and they let Bradshaw go in the offseason.

So lets think about it. The two schools of thought are 1) that Wilson will get the majority share or 2) that it will be a full blown RBBC with Brown.

Isn't it interesting that no one is really taking the position that Brown will be the lead? Why is that? If Wilson wasn't impressive to you, why concede that Brown isn't going to be the lead absent an official statement from the team? What are you seeing that convinces you Wilson's going to get a share anywhere near comparable to Brown? Why aren't you boldly claiming that Brown will be the lead?

I doubt it had anything to do with fumbling because he only had 1 lost fumble in 71 rushing attempts and in however many kickoff returns he had.

 

[steveski]

The doubters in here are comical. I'm not sure if they didn't see him play last year or if they are just sour because they didn't scoop him up when they had a chance, but they are in complete denial. Wilson will finish top 10 this year assuming no injuries. This is the last year you will be buying him for cheap. All the RBBC talk is outrageous. If they brought back Bradshaw, I'd be a little worried about RBBC, but with Brown? Come on. Brown is a fill in guy. He will get at most 20% of the carries and be used to give Wilson a breather after he's done running circles around the defense. He's a much better version of Tiki Barber in his prime.

Yes, I'm a homer, but I do not own Wilson in any leagues (unfortunately).

 

[Winning IS Everything]

The doubters in here are comical. I'm not sure if they didn't see him play last year or if they are just sour because they didn't scoop him up when they had a chance, but they are in complete denial. Wilson will finish top 10 this year assuming no injuries. This is the last year you will be buying him for cheap. All the RBBC talk is outrageous. If they brought back Bradshaw, I'd be a little worried about RBBC, but with Brown? Come on. Brown is a fill in guy. He will get at most 20% of the carries and be used to give Wilson a breather after he's done running circles around the defense. He's a much better version of Tiki Barber in his prime.

Yes, I'm a homer, but I do not own Wilson in any leagues (unfortunately).

Now THIS is a David Wilson Bandwagon post!!!!!!

 

[ShaHBucks]

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/page/nfldk2k13_TMR_100_facts/matthew-berry-100-facts-need-know-drafting-your-fantasy-football-team

35. Over the first 13 weeks of the 2012 season, 95 different running backs had more fantasy points than David Wilson (12).

36. Over the final four weeks of the 2012 season, only six running backs had more fantasy points than Wilson (55).

37. Per Pro Football Focus, among running backs with at least 70 carries, no one had more fantasy points per opportunity (carries and pass routes) than Wilson.

38. Wilson averaged 5.0 yards per carry. He was one of only seven running backs to have at least 70 carries and average 5 yards or more per carry last season.

I think Wilson is very close to being an elite talent. He has great field speed, excellent power for his size, balance to rival any back in the league, great lateral game, rare burst and acceleration, a few other positive intangibles. Coughlin or injury are the only things preventing him from being a fantasy gold mine this year. His ADP will steadily rise. If you want him, drafting early August is better than drafting in September. The hype will grow.

I can't argue this. He is an elite kick returner.

 

[Pipes]

The doubters in here are comical. I'm not sure if they didn't see him play last year or if they are just sour because they didn't scoop him up when they had a chance, but they are in complete denial. Wilson will finish top 10 this year assuming no injuries. This is the last year you will be buying him for cheap. All the RBBC talk is outrageous. If they brought back Bradshaw, I'd be a little worried about RBBC, but with Brown? Come on. Brown is a fill in guy. He will get at most 20% of the carries and be used to give Wilson a breather after he's done running circles around the defense. He's a much better version of Tiki Barber in his prime.

Yes, I'm a homer, but I do not own Wilson in any leagues (unfortunately).

The doubters are just bringing in some reality to the out of control bandwagon. I like Wilson but the hype is far greater than that of Jermichael Finley a few years ago. I think Wilson has a shot to produce top 10 numbers but there is also a chance we'll be seeing "Bump Wilson" comments for years to come.

 

[Grahamburn]

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/page/nfldk2k13_TMR_100_facts/matthew-berry-100-facts-need-know-drafting-your-fantasy-football-team

35. Over the first 13 weeks of the 2012 season, 95 different running backs had more fantasy points than David Wilson (12).

36. Over the final four weeks of the 2012 season, only six running backs had more fantasy points than Wilson (55).

37. Per Pro Football Focus, among running backs with at least 70 carries, no one had more fantasy points per opportunity (carries and pass routes) than Wilson.

38. Wilson averaged 5.0 yards per carry. He was one of only seven running backs to have at least 70 carries and average 5 yards or more per carry last season.

I think Wilson is very close to being an elite talent. He has great field speed, excellent power for his size, balance to rival any back in the league, great lateral game, rare burst and acceleration, a few other positive intangibles. Coughlin or injury are the only things preventing him from being a fantasy gold mine this year. His ADP will steadily rise. If you want him, drafting early August is better than drafting in September. The hype will grow.

I can't argue this. He is an elite kick returner.

Not sure I understand where your sudden bias is coming from? You were the poster who started the Miller vs. Wilson thread previously, correct? Seemed like you might want some insight on those two players. Did you decide on Miller, and now to justify your choice feel it necessary to chastise Wilson?

There are plenty of things working in Wilson's favor to think he could be in line for a breakout season. They've been covered ad nauseum in here. As have the question marks standing in his way.

We'll know soon enough. The problem with the wait and see approach is you might miss the boat...

 

[Yenrub]

Gilbride interview

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/Watch-Videos/article-1/Watch-Kevin-Gilbride-previews-offense/545ece72-c6fe-4b47-a7fa-3507c8ac24ac

He says that both guys are talented enough to be the "bell cow" in terms of running with the ball

 

[Banger]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach. I look at players and read as much as I can about them but the most important thing is what the coach says and does. Often times the beat writers are a good source as well...not always, not every situation but it's a puzzle that you have to put together from the various clues you get....some will have more weight/merit than others and through experience/luck/skill you can get the correct read on the situation.

My take on this particular situation is that Wilson is more talented and he'll be given the opportunity (old man Coughlin has said as much). I think it will start as a time sharing situation but the important thing that I'll bet watching and listening for is for confirmed improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security and pass protection. In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

 

[Grahamburn]

In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

Wilson owners are going to get even more excited if we're comparing the Giants' situation this year to the 2009 Titans' backfield as he enters year two...

 

[Touchdown There]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach.

There is a difference between knowing more than the coach and knowing what coach-speak is. I think that if you knew that difference, you would not have wrote this sentence.

 

[Banger]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach.

There is a difference between knowing more than the coach and knowing what coach-speak is. I think that if you knew that difference, you would not have wrote this sentence.

sometimes you think it's coach speak but it's actually the truth but you aren't listening because you have your mind made up. depends on the coach, the situation, the depth chart, the offense, player skillset, etc.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach. I look at players and read as much as I can about them but the most important thing is what the coach says and does. Often times the beat writers are a good source as well...not always, not every situation but it's a puzzle that you have to put together from the various clues you get....some will have more weight/merit than others and through experience/luck/skill you can get the correct read on the situation.

My take on this particular situation is that Wilson is more talented and he'll be given the opportunity (old man Coughlin has said as much). I think it will start as a time sharing situation but the important thing that I'll bet watching and listening for is for confirmed improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security and pass protection. In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

Again, I must ask, how did he have ball security issues last year with 1 lost fumble in 71 carries?

 

[Banger]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach. I look at players and read as much as I can about them but the most important thing is what the coach says and does. Often times the beat writers are a good source as well...not always, not every situation but it's a puzzle that you have to put together from the various clues you get....some will have more weight/merit than others and through experience/luck/skill you can get the correct read on the situation.

My take on this particular situation is that Wilson is more talented and he'll be given the opportunity (old man Coughlin has said as much). I think it will start as a time sharing situation but the important thing that I'll bet watching and listening for is for confirmed improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security and pass protection. In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

Again, I must ask, how did he have ball security issues last year with 1 lost fumble in 71 carries?

it's not what I think...it's fact....

NY Giants coach Tom Coughlin benches David Wilson after first-half fumble against Cowboys Rookie and 2012 first-rounder gets message to hold on to the ball after fumble against Cowboys stalls Big Blue momentumComments (3) By Ebenezer Samuel AND Ralph Vacchiano / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Thursday, September 6, 2012, 10:18 PM
David Wilson knows to hold onto the ball after being benched for fumbling on second pro carry.


In the moments after Giants rookie running back David Wilson fumbled on Wednesday night, the NBC cameras showed a close-up of his face and a possible tear under his left eye. There was no doubt, as Tom Coughlin said, that Wilson was “very upset.”
But was he crying after he was yanked from the game?

“No, I wasn't crying,” Wilson said Thursday. “I was definitely upset. But, I think it would have been a lot worse if I was smiling or feeling good about it.”


He definitely wasn’t feeling good after he fumbled on his second NFL carry, ruining a Giants drive on which, Coughlin said, “some decent things were happening.” That wasn’t the reason the Giants lost their opener to the Cowboys, 24-17, but it did take away some of their momentum.

PHOTOS: GIANTS MISS CHANCES, LOSE OPENER TO BOYS

“On the sidelines he was very upset about what happened,” Coughlin said. “I did give him credit for that. He was deeply, deeply sorry about what happened. Unfortunately it happened.”

Coughlin admitted Thursday that the fumble was the reason Wilson was benched. “We’re playing the opening game of the year,” Coughlin said. “It’s a divisional game. We had just driven the ball. We’re going to be a bit reluctant. This is not preseason. This is serious business now.”

Wilson seemed to understand all that, and said, “I don’t think they totally gave up on me. They wanted to show me how important it was to hold onto the ball.”

That message was received, even if it didn’t actually bring Wilson to tears.

“I’m passionate about the game and I know (fumbling) is something I have been working on and not wanting to do,” he said. “And for it to happen on my second carry in the opening game, I was highly disappointed.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/benching-n-o-crying-shame-giants-david-wilson-article-1.1153792#ixzz2a56I9fKc

 

[Touchdown There]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach.

There is a difference between knowing more than the coach and knowing what coach-speak is. I think that if you knew that difference, you would not have wrote this sentence.

sometimes you think it's coach speak but it's actually the truth but you aren't listening because you have your mind made up. depends on the coach, the situation, the depth chart, the offense, player skillset, etc.

Or I know coach speak when I hear it. David Wilson is the starter. Andre Brown is the backup who will get plenty of reps.

 

[Banger]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach.

There is a difference between knowing more than the coach and knowing what coach-speak is. I think that if you knew that difference, you would not have wrote this sentence.

sometimes you think it's coach speak but it's actually the truth but you aren't listening because you have your mind made up. depends on the coach, the situation, the depth chart, the offense, player skillset, etc.

Or I know coach speak when I hear it. David Wilson is the starter. Andre Brown is the backup who will get plenty of reps.

ok

 

[Touchdown There]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach. I look at players and read as much as I can about them but the most important thing is what the coach says and does. Often times the beat writers are a good source as well...not always, not every situation but it's a puzzle that you have to put together from the various clues you get....some will have more weight/merit than others and through experience/luck/skill you can get the correct read on the situation.

My take on this particular situation is that Wilson is more talented and he'll be given the opportunity (old man Coughlin has said as much). I think it will start as a time sharing situation but the important thing that I'll bet watching and listening for is for confirmed improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security and pass protection. In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

Again, I must ask, how did he have ball security issues last year with 1 lost fumble in 71 carries?

it's not what I think...it's fact....

NY Giants coach Tom Coughlin benches David Wilson after first-half fumble against Cowboys Rookie and 2012 first-rounder gets message to hold on to the ball after fumble against Cowboys stalls Big Blue momentum Comments (3) By Ebenezer Samuel AND Ralph Vacchiano / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Thursday, September 6, 2012, 10:18 PM
David Wilson knows to hold onto the ball after being benched for fumbling on second pro carry.


In the moments after Giants rookie running back David Wilson fumbled on Wednesday night, the NBC cameras showed a close-up of his face and a possible tear under his left eye. There was no doubt, as Tom Coughlin said, that Wilson was “very upset.”
But was he crying after he was yanked from the game?

“No, I wasn't crying,” Wilson said Thursday. “I was definitely upset. But, I think it would have been a lot worse if I was smiling or feeling good about it.”


He definitely wasn’t feeling good after he fumbled on his second NFL carry, ruining a Giants drive on which, Coughlin said, “some decent things were happening.” That wasn’t the reason the Giants lost their opener to the Cowboys, 24-17, but it did take away some of their momentum.

PHOTOS: GIANTS MISS CHANCES, LOSE OPENER TO BOYS

“On the sidelines he was very upset about what happened,” Coughlin said. “I did give him credit for that. He was deeply, deeply sorry about what happened. Unfortunately it happened.”

Coughlin admitted Thursday that the fumble was the reason Wilson was benched. “We’re playing the opening game of the year,” Coughlin said. “It’s a divisional game. We had just driven the ball. We’re going to be a bit reluctant. This is not preseason. This is serious business now.”

Wilson seemed to understand all that, and said, “I don’t think they totally gave up on me. They wanted to show me how important it was to hold onto the ball.”

That message was received, even if it didn’t actually bring Wilson to tears.

“I’m passionate about the game and I know (fumbling) is something I have been working on and not wanting to do,” he said. “And for it to happen on my second carry in the opening game, I was highly disappointed.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/benching-n-o-crying-shame-giants-david-wilson-article-1.1153792#ixzz2a56I9fKc

I was not aware that the world stopped turning and time froze the second that David Wilson fumbled. Everything you quoted was from immediately after that fumble on national TV. Wilson went on to do very well at the end of last year and Bradshaw is gone. One fumble in a guys rookie year does not derail his whole career. I think we have another Andre Brown owner.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach. I look at players and read as much as I can about them but the most important thing is what the coach says and does. Often times the beat writers are a good source as well...not always, not every situation but it's a puzzle that you have to put together from the various clues you get....some will have more weight/merit than others and through experience/luck/skill you can get the correct read on the situation.

My take on this particular situation is that Wilson is more talented and he'll be given the opportunity (old man Coughlin has said as much). I think it will start as a time sharing situation but the important thing that I'll bet watching and listening for is for confirmed improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security and pass protection. In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

Again, I must ask, how did he have ball security issues last year with 1 lost fumble in 71 carries?

it's not what I think...it's fact....

NY Giants coach Tom Coughlin benches David Wilson after first-half fumble against Cowboys Rookie and 2012 first-rounder gets message to hold on to the ball after fumble against Cowboys stalls Big Blue momentum Comments (3) By Ebenezer Samuel AND Ralph Vacchiano / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Thursday, September 6, 2012, 10:18 PM
David Wilson knows to hold onto the ball after being benched for fumbling on second pro carry.


In the moments after Giants rookie running back David Wilson fumbled on Wednesday night, the NBC cameras showed a close-up of his face and a possible tear under his left eye. There was no doubt, as Tom Coughlin said, that Wilson was “very upset.”
But was he crying after he was yanked from the game?

“No, I wasn't crying,” Wilson said Thursday. “I was definitely upset. But, I think it would have been a lot worse if I was smiling or feeling good about it.”


He definitely wasn’t feeling good after he fumbled on his second NFL carry, ruining a Giants drive on which, Coughlin said, “some decent things were happening.” That wasn’t the reason the Giants lost their opener to the Cowboys, 24-17, but it did take away some of their momentum.

PHOTOS: GIANTS MISS CHANCES, LOSE OPENER TO BOYS

“On the sidelines he was very upset about what happened,” Coughlin said. “I did give him credit for that. He was deeply, deeply sorry about what happened. Unfortunately it happened.”

Coughlin admitted Thursday that the fumble was the reason Wilson was benched. “We’re playing the opening game of the year,” Coughlin said. “It’s a divisional game. We had just driven the ball. We’re going to be a bit reluctant. This is not preseason. This is serious business now.”

Wilson seemed to understand all that, and said, “I don’t think they totally gave up on me. They wanted to show me how important it was to hold onto the ball.”

That message was received, even if it didn’t actually bring Wilson to tears.

“I’m passionate about the game and I know (fumbling) is something I have been working on and not wanting to do,” he said. “And for it to happen on my second carry in the opening game, I was highly disappointed.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/benching-n-o-crying-shame-giants-david-wilson-article-1.1153792#ixzz2a56I9fKc

Everyone knows that story from beginning to end, but again, 1 fumble in 71 carries doesn't constitute a fumbling problem.

 

[Banger]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach. I look at players and read as much as I can about them but the most important thing is what the coach says and does. Often times the beat writers are a good source as well...not always, not every situation but it's a puzzle that you have to put together from the various clues you get....some will have more weight/merit than others and through experience/luck/skill you can get the correct read on the situation.

My take on this particular situation is that Wilson is more talented and he'll be given the opportunity (old man Coughlin has said as much). I think it will start as a time sharing situation but the important thing that I'll bet watching and listening for is for confirmed improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security and pass protection. In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

Again, I must ask, how did he have ball security issues last year with 1 lost fumble in 71 carries?

it's not what I think...it's fact....

NY Giants coach Tom Coughlin benches David Wilson after first-half fumble against Cowboys Rookie and 2012 first-rounder gets message to hold on to the ball after fumble against Cowboys stalls Big Blue momentum Comments (3) By Ebenezer Samuel AND Ralph Vacchiano / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Thursday, September 6, 2012, 10:18 PM
David Wilson knows to hold onto the ball after being benched for fumbling on second pro carry.


In the moments after Giants rookie running back David Wilson fumbled on Wednesday night, the NBC cameras showed a close-up of his face and a possible tear under his left eye. There was no doubt, as Tom Coughlin said, that Wilson was “very upset.”
But was he crying after he was yanked from the game?

“No, I wasn't crying,” Wilson said Thursday. “I was definitely upset. But, I think it would have been a lot worse if I was smiling or feeling good about it.”


He definitely wasn’t feeling good after he fumbled on his second NFL carry, ruining a Giants drive on which, Coughlin said, “some decent things were happening.” That wasn’t the reason the Giants lost their opener to the Cowboys, 24-17, but it did take away some of their momentum.

PHOTOS: GIANTS MISS CHANCES, LOSE OPENER TO BOYS

“On the sidelines he was very upset about what happened,” Coughlin said. “I did give him credit for that. He was deeply, deeply sorry about what happened. Unfortunately it happened.”

Coughlin admitted Thursday that the fumble was the reason Wilson was benched. “We’re playing the opening game of the year,” Coughlin said. “It’s a divisional game. We had just driven the ball. We’re going to be a bit reluctant. This is not preseason. This is serious business now.”

Wilson seemed to understand all that, and said, “I don’t think they totally gave up on me. They wanted to show me how important it was to hold onto the ball.”

That message was received, even if it didn’t actually bring Wilson to tears.

“I’m passionate about the game and I know (fumbling) is something I have been working on and not wanting to do,” he said. “And for it to happen on my second carry in the opening game, I was highly disappointed.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/benching-n-o-crying-shame-giants-david-wilson-article-1.1153792#ixzz2a56I9fKc

I was not aware that the world stopped turning and time froze the second that David Wilson fumbled. Everything you quoted was from immediately after that fumble on national TV. Wilson went on to do very well at the end of last year and Bradshaw is gone. One fumble in a guys rookie year does not derail his whole career. I think we have another Andre Brown owner.

haha...think what you want. When a coach benches a promising player for fumbling and admits as much I listen since it doesn't happen every day. You don't know if he was fumbling every day in practice throughout training camp, you don't know if he was taught to hold the ball a certain way, etc..

Yes he played well in spots during the season and he's talented but at the end of the day he had 71 carries over the course of the entire season and he wasn't injured. I fully expect his role to increase from last year and he has the talent to be a lead back but he has to do the little things correctly or he won't ever be the lead back for Coughlin. Doesn't matter how much talent he has, his way is the only way.

 

[Banger]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach. I look at players and read as much as I can about them but the most important thing is what the coach says and does. Often times the beat writers are a good source as well...not always, not every situation but it's a puzzle that you have to put together from the various clues you get....some will have more weight/merit than others and through experience/luck/skill you can get the correct read on the situation.

My take on this particular situation is that Wilson is more talented and he'll be given the opportunity (old man Coughlin has said as much). I think it will start as a time sharing situation but the important thing that I'll bet watching and listening for is for confirmed improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security and pass protection. In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

Again, I must ask, how did he have ball security issues last year with 1 lost fumble in 71 carries?

it's not what I think...it's fact....

NY Giants coach Tom Coughlin benches David Wilson after first-half fumble against Cowboys Rookie and 2012 first-rounder gets message to hold on to the ball after fumble against Cowboys stalls Big Blue momentum Comments (3) By Ebenezer Samuel AND Ralph Vacchiano / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Thursday, September 6, 2012, 10:18 PM
David Wilson knows to hold onto the ball after being benched for fumbling on second pro carry.


In the moments after Giants rookie running back David Wilson fumbled on Wednesday night, the NBC cameras showed a close-up of his face and a possible tear under his left eye. There was no doubt, as Tom Coughlin said, that Wilson was “very upset.”
But was he crying after he was yanked from the game?

“No, I wasn't crying,” Wilson said Thursday. “I was definitely upset. But, I think it would have been a lot worse if I was smiling or feeling good about it.”


He definitely wasn’t feeling good after he fumbled on his second NFL carry, ruining a Giants drive on which, Coughlin said, “some decent things were happening.” That wasn’t the reason the Giants lost their opener to the Cowboys, 24-17, but it did take away some of their momentum.

PHOTOS: GIANTS MISS CHANCES, LOSE OPENER TO BOYS

“On the sidelines he was very upset about what happened,” Coughlin said. “I did give him credit for that. He was deeply, deeply sorry about what happened. Unfortunately it happened.”

Coughlin admitted Thursday that the fumble was the reason Wilson was benched. “We’re playing the opening game of the year,” Coughlin said. “It’s a divisional game. We had just driven the ball. We’re going to be a bit reluctant. This is not preseason. This is serious business now.”

Wilson seemed to understand all that, and said, “I don’t think they totally gave up on me. They wanted to show me how important it was to hold onto the ball.”

That message was received, even if it didn’t actually bring Wilson to tears.

“I’m passionate about the game and I know (fumbling) is something I have been working on and not wanting to do,” he said. “And for it to happen on my second carry in the opening game, I was highly disappointed.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/benching-n-o-crying-shame-giants-david-wilson-article-1.1153792#ixzz2a56I9fKc

Everyone knows that story from beginning to end, but again, 1 fumble in 71 carries doesn't constitute a fumbling problem.

it is when it's a big part of why a talented player totals 17 total carries over the first 10 weeks. I wouldn't have thought it was a big deal but Coughlin clearly did. He sent the message loud and clear and it's undeniable. It doesn't matter what you think or I think, all that matters is what Coughlin thinks. Whether you call it a fumbling issue, a trust issue, whatever, there was an issue there that largely derailed his season otherwise he would've gotten the ball more.

 

[Touchdown There]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach. I look at players and read as much as I can about them but the most important thing is what the coach says and does. Often times the beat writers are a good source as well...not always, not every situation but it's a puzzle that you have to put together from the various clues you get....some will have more weight/merit than others and through experience/luck/skill you can get the correct read on the situation.

My take on this particular situation is that Wilson is more talented and he'll be given the opportunity (old man Coughlin has said as much). I think it will start as a time sharing situation but the important thing that I'll bet watching and listening for is for confirmed improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security and pass protection. In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

Again, I must ask, how did he have ball security issues last year with 1 lost fumble in 71 carries?

it's not what I think...it's fact....

NY Giants coach Tom Coughlin benches David Wilson after first-half fumble against Cowboys Rookie and 2012 first-rounder gets message to hold on to the ball after fumble against Cowboys stalls Big Blue momentum Comments (3) By Ebenezer Samuel AND Ralph Vacchiano / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Thursday, September 6, 2012, 10:18 PM
David Wilson knows to hold onto the ball after being benched for fumbling on second pro carry.


In the moments after Giants rookie running back David Wilson fumbled on Wednesday night, the NBC cameras showed a close-up of his face and a possible tear under his left eye. There was no doubt, as Tom Coughlin said, that Wilson was “very upset.”
But was he crying after he was yanked from the game?

“No, I wasn't crying,” Wilson said Thursday. “I was definitely upset. But, I think it would have been a lot worse if I was smiling or feeling good about it.”


He definitely wasn’t feeling good after he fumbled on his second NFL carry, ruining a Giants drive on which, Coughlin said, “some decent things were happening.” That wasn’t the reason the Giants lost their opener to the Cowboys, 24-17, but it did take away some of their momentum.

PHOTOS: GIANTS MISS CHANCES, LOSE OPENER TO BOYS

“On the sidelines he was very upset about what happened,” Coughlin said. “I did give him credit for that. He was deeply, deeply sorry about what happened. Unfortunately it happened.”

Coughlin admitted Thursday that the fumble was the reason Wilson was benched. “We’re playing the opening game of the year,” Coughlin said. “It’s a divisional game. We had just driven the ball. We’re going to be a bit reluctant. This is not preseason. This is serious business now.”

Wilson seemed to understand all that, and said, “I don’t think they totally gave up on me. They wanted to show me how important it was to hold onto the ball.”

That message was received, even if it didn’t actually bring Wilson to tears.

“I’m passionate about the game and I know (fumbling) is something I have been working on and not wanting to do,” he said. “And for it to happen on my second carry in the opening game, I was highly disappointed.”

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I was not aware that the world stopped turning and time froze the second that David Wilson fumbled. Everything you quoted was from immediately after that fumble on national TV. Wilson went on to do very well at the end of last year and Bradshaw is gone. One fumble in a guys rookie year does not derail his whole career. I think we have another Andre Brown owner.

haha...think what you want. When a coach benches a promising player for fumbling and admits as much I listen since it doesn't happen every day.

Maybe it does not happen every day because there are only 32 teams in the NFL and the football season is 17 weeks long out of 52 weeks in a year. You know what happens every day? Change.