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[Clifford]

getting david wilson the 3rd round doesnt look so sharkish right now.

kind of feeling like a guppy

Imagine if you grabbed him in the 2nd and Lamar Miller in the fifth and started them both.

 

[Khy]

I think this is a total overreaction on Coughlin's part as well as the fantasy world. Wilson will be fine. Fumbles can be fixed very easily. Look at Tiki Barber. He was known as a compulsive fumbler, so much that even some referred to fumbles as 'tikis'. Once he corrected his problem (by carrying the ball higher), he rarely ever fumbled again. Same thing can be said for Wilson. It's not like he just put the ball on the floor by being careless. The Cowboys were purposely stripping the ball away and it took a lot to pry it loose.

Wilson is just way too much talent to sit there and waste on the bench for the likes of D'rell Scott, McGahee, Hightower or whatever retread they find on the streets.

I own him but he neglected to cover the ball with both hands going into heavy traffic the first time, and neglected to cover up the ball the second time while he was going down. If the first fumble didn't convince him to put both hands on the ball, should we believe the second one and subsequent benching will?

Huh? I think you should go back and re-watch both fumbles. In both situations he had both hands on the ball and the ball jammed into his body with them. The ball was simply stripped.

 

[Late225]

I think this is a total overreaction on Coughlin's part as well as the fantasy world. Wilson will be fine. Fumbles can be fixed very easily. Look at Tiki Barber. He was known as a compulsive fumbler, so much that even some referred to fumbles as 'tikis'. Once he corrected his problem (by carrying the ball higher), he rarely ever fumbled again. Same thing can be said for Wilson. It's not like he just put the ball on the floor by being careless. The Cowboys were purposely stripping the ball away and it took a lot to pry it loose.

Wilson is just way too much talent to sit there and waste on the bench for the likes of D'rell Scott, McGahee, Hightower or whatever retread they find on the streets.

I own him but he neglected to cover the ball with both hands going into heavy traffic the first time, and neglected to cover up the ball the second time while he was going down. If the first fumble didn't convince him to put both hands on the ball, should we believe the second one and subsequent benching will?

Huh? I think you should go back and re-watch both fumbles. In both situations he had both hands on the ball and the ball jammed into his body with them. The ball was simply stripped.

If that's the case, maybe Coughlin didn't practice stripping enough in practice and may have benched Wilson to make himself look better.

 

[ponchsox]

I think this is a total overreaction on Coughlin's part as well as the fantasy world. Wilson will be fine. Fumbles can be fixed very easily. Look at Tiki Barber. He was known as a compulsive fumbler, so much that even some referred to fumbles as 'tikis'. Once he corrected his problem (by carrying the ball higher), he rarely ever fumbled again. Same thing can be said for Wilson. It's not like he just put the ball on the floor by being careless. The Cowboys were purposely stripping the ball away and it took a lot to pry it loose.

Wilson is just way too much talent to sit there and waste on the bench for the likes of D'rell Scott, McGahee, Hightower or whatever retread they find on the streets.

I own him but he neglected to cover the ball with both hands going into heavy traffic the first time, and neglected to cover up the ball the second time while he was going down. If the first fumble didn't convince him to put both hands on the ball, should we believe the second one and subsequent benching will?

Huh? I think you should go back and re-watch both fumbles. In both situations he had both hands on the ball and the ball jammed into his body with them. The ball was simply stripped.

If that's the case, maybe Coughlin didn't practice stripping enough in practice and may have benched Wilson to make himself look better.

Coughlin is going to make Wilson run ball stripping drills until he passes out.

 

[massraider]

If that's the case, maybe Coughlin didn't practice stripping enough in practice and may have benched Wilson to make himself look better.

whoa

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

getting david wilson the 3rd round doesnt look so sharkish right now.

kind of feeling like a guppy

Imagine if you grabbed him in the 2nd and Lamar Miller in the fifth and started them both.

Something about drafting on a computer, have it all mapped out, reason rules, then the action starts and.... impusle impulse impulse ... reach, grab a guy who was not even on your list yesterday earlier than you should, because his future looked so bright on that particular day at that particular time.

 

[Clifford]

I think this is a total overreaction on Coughlin's part as well as the fantasy world. Wilson will be fine. Fumbles can be fixed very easily. Look at Tiki Barber. He was known as a compulsive fumbler, so much that even some referred to fumbles as 'tikis'. Once he corrected his problem (by carrying the ball higher), he rarely ever fumbled again. Same thing can be said for Wilson. It's not like he just put the ball on the floor by being careless. The Cowboys were purposely stripping the ball away and it took a lot to pry it loose.

Wilson is just way too much talent to sit there and waste on the bench for the likes of D'rell Scott, McGahee, Hightower or whatever retread they find on the streets.

I own him but he neglected to cover the ball with both hands going into heavy traffic the first time, and neglected to cover up the ball the second time while he was going down. If the first fumble didn't convince him to put both hands on the ball, should we believe the second one and subsequent benching will?

Huh? I think you should go back and re-watch both fumbles. In both situations he had both hands on the ball and the ball jammed into his body with them. The ball was simply stripped.

Nope, by the time he was reaching to put a second hand on the first fumble, the ball was already coming out.

:20

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000240770/Wilson-fumble

Same thing on second fumble, he only has two hands on the football after the defender has his hand on the ball

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000240975/David-Wilson-s-miserable-night

Wilson needs to learn to cover up the Ball sooner when facing contact. On the first fumble, his lead blocker shared some blame, but the second was all him.

 

[Banger]

Wilson owners are letting emotion from what happened last night cloud their judgement. What we learned about Wilson:

1. He's not capable of 20+ rushes per game, not yet

2. He's going to get some carries taken by another RB YTD. If he loses goal line touches, he loses a lot of value in non-ppr

3. Anyone counting on him as a RB2 or even a RB1 made a big mistake. He will make a solid RB3 or flex play going forward.

I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion. He did a lot bad yesterday, but I'm not sure I learned he cannot carry a full load.

Pass protection was the thing I was worried most about and while looking ok vs. vanilla defense schemes, he looked bad when the real bullets started flying. To be an every down back you need to be able to protect the QB. That's the biggest issue to me. Even if he plays he's not going to fumble every game but he can miss blocks and get his QB hurt.

There was really only one blown pass block and watching that over and over again I'm still of the opinion a lot of backs would have missed that block as the defender was in the backfield before Wilson was even done going through the motion of the play action.

all it takes is a couple good whiffs to get your QB killed. Eli uncharacteristically commented on him after the game. It's an issue...I know you don't want to acknowledge it but it was an issue coming from college, was an issue last year, was an issue that they worked really hard on in preseason and in game 1 it looks like he's still got a long way to go.

 

[glock]

I think this is a total overreaction on Coughlin's part as well as the fantasy world. Wilson will be fine. Fumbles can be fixed very easily. Look at Tiki Barber. He was known as a compulsive fumbler, so much that even some referred to fumbles as 'tikis'. Once he corrected his problem (by carrying the ball higher), he rarely ever fumbled again. Same thing can be said for Wilson. It's not like he just put the ball on the floor by being careless. The Cowboys were purposely stripping the ball away and it took a lot to pry it loose.

Wilson is just way too much talent to sit there and waste on the bench for the likes of D'rell Scott, McGahee, Hightower or whatever retread they find on the streets.

I own him but he neglected to cover the ball with both hands going into heavy traffic the first time, and neglected to cover up the ball the second time while he was going down. If the first fumble didn't convince him to put both hands on the ball, should we believe the second one and subsequent benching will?

Huh? I think you should go back and re-watch both fumbles. In both situations he had both hands on the ball and the ball jammed into his body with them. The ball was simply stripped.

 

[Concept Coop]

If that's the case, maybe Coughlin didn't practice stripping enough in practice and may have benched Wilson to make himself look better.

?

 

[Clifford]

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

 

[Clifford]

I think this is a total overreaction on Coughlin's part as well as the fantasy world. Wilson will be fine. Fumbles can be fixed very easily. Look at Tiki Barber. He was known as a compulsive fumbler, so much that even some referred to fumbles as 'tikis'. Once he corrected his problem (by carrying the ball higher), he rarely ever fumbled again. Same thing can be said for Wilson. It's not like he just put the ball on the floor by being careless. The Cowboys were purposely stripping the ball away and it took a lot to pry it loose.

Wilson is just way too much talent to sit there and waste on the bench for the likes of D'rell Scott, McGahee, Hightower or whatever retread they find on the streets.

I own him but he neglected to cover the ball with both hands going into heavy traffic the first time, and neglected to cover up the ball the second time while he was going down. If the first fumble didn't convince him to put both hands on the ball, should we believe the second one and subsequent benching will?

Huh? I think you should go back and re-watch both fumbles. In both situations he had both hands on the ball and the ball jammed into his body with them. The ball was simply stripped.

Hate ti burst the optimism bubble but I rewatched both fumbles and he clearly did not have two hands on the ball either time. He attempted to put two hands on the ball as it was being stripped but by that point it was too late. You guys should watch the clips. In both cases the ball was stripped, yes, but the defenders were able to get their hands on a corner of the football because Wilson did not cover properly.

 

[Banger]

I think this is a total overreaction on Coughlin's part as well as the fantasy world. Wilson will be fine. Fumbles can be fixed very easily. Look at Tiki Barber. He was known as a compulsive fumbler, so much that even some referred to fumbles as 'tikis'. Once he corrected his problem (by carrying the ball higher), he rarely ever fumbled again. Same thing can be said for Wilson. It's not like he just put the ball on the floor by being careless. The Cowboys were purposely stripping the ball away and it took a lot to pry it loose.

Wilson is just way too much talent to sit there and waste on the bench for the likes of D'rell Scott, McGahee, Hightower or whatever retread they find on the streets.

I own him but he neglected to cover the ball with both hands going into heavy traffic the first time, and neglected to cover up the ball the second time while he was going down. If the first fumble didn't convince him to put both hands on the ball, should we believe the second one and subsequent benching will?

Huh? I think you should go back and re-watch both fumbles. In both situations he had both hands on the ball and the ball jammed into his body with them. The ball was simply stripped.

Hate ti burst the optimism bubble but I rewatched both fumbles and he clearly did not have two hands on the ball either time. He attempted to put two hands on the ball as it was being stripped but by that point it was too late. You guys should watch the clips. In both cases the ball was stripped, yes, but the defenders were able to get their hands on a corner of the football because Wilson did not cover properly.

at the end of the day it doesn't matter how many hands he had on the ball. He fumbled twice at key times of the game that caused momentum swings.

 

[Clifford]

Well, for one it means they have something concrete to work on. Wilson will be much more cognizant of putting two hands on the ball earlier, after his RB coach replays each fumble about 20 times.

Fumbling is something he can personally get over. What owners really need to be worried about is if the team signs a vet and they come in and have a decent game. Wilson will be in the same boat this year as he was last year, and deliver flex value at best.

 

[Pump N Go]

getting david wilson the 3rd round doesnt look so sharkish right now.

kind of feeling like a guppy

Imagine if you grabbed him in the 2nd and Lamar Miller in the fifth and started them both.

I started them both in my keeper, negative points combined. I still won because i had Peyton, Cook and Fitz but just really demoralizing thinking about this backfield for the rest of the year. Fingers crossed for good games next week so I can sell.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Half of this thread is about a rookie getting bench ONE GAME for fumbling early. I don't understand this at all. If you watch the Tampa game(Wk 2) he was still being utilized EARLY in the game. The 1st possession Wilson lines up in a empty backfield and drops a easy pass for crying out loud. The second possesion he get 2 carries for 5 yards. Andre Brown was the primary back on the first TD drive that went close to 80 yards. "Don't quote me on this," but he ran for at least half of those 80 yards. Wilson's first two games he had 5 carries for 10 yards and two drops! That's why Wilson was benched! It had little to do with just ONE fumble. Brown was more effective as the Bradshaw replacement. Then Brown goes and looks like the greatest RB ever vs Car the next week. Vs the Eagles Wilson was still dropping passes. I know it drives you guys crazy, but it's true. I like Wilson as a prospect. I think there is a chance he reaches an elite status in the NFL. Right now the hype is not warrented. He was awful as a rookie, outside of 1-3 runs in blowouts that skews his ypc to an "elite" status on a small sample size. Andre Brown was better then him. That's not hard to say.

Whatever you do ... Do Not! I repeat Do Not!!! Look at these links. I will only make it hurt that much more.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviR8HjLDxkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM

If just spent time to say what happened in a actual game I watch. why would I go watch a highlight clip after that? That's the problem, you're watching highlights.

I'll try to be nice to you when bumping this thread all season. I'm not sure others will be as kind. Remember, you reap what you sew...

Take it easy on me please

I will. This is game 1.

What's your projections for game 2?

 

[Clifford]

Luckily I also have Sproles and LeVeon Bell on the bench. But it's week 1 and I'm already deep into my bench at RB. Not good.

 

[ISUDESTROYERS]

Coughlin is going to make Wilson run ball stripping drills until he passes out.

This would actually be a good sign.....in terms of that Coughlin still believes in the kid. I'm just afraid that one more bought with the fumbles/pass protection issues.....he stop believing in him and give him the HOOK.

 

[Avery]

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

Just to talk Wilson owners a step of back off the ledge... if McGahee is signed, he will likely be worked into a portion of the roll Andre Brown was supposed to fill.

The Giants had likely already planned on signed a vet RB after week 1 (so his full year salary isn't guaranteed). Assuming (a big assumption, I know), Wilson is still on the field for 60% + or - of the snaps, that is the sort of workload that I would have expected anyway with Andre Brown. Despite many saying that Wilson is just a fast guy, he is a very good running in addition to his speed and he has the capacity to produce strong RB numbers sharing his touches in the vain of a guy like Spiller.

Additionally, the investment of a 1st round pick in him makes that continued opportunity more likely.

 

[Clifford]

Wilson needs to A) Get the start and B) have a career game in order to retain any value. If someone else gets the start and they do decent and don't fumble, well, could be countdown to out of town.

 

[TheFanatic]

Half of this thread is about a rookie getting bench ONE GAME for fumbling early. I don't understand this at all. If you watch the Tampa game(Wk 2) he was still being utilized EARLY in the game. The 1st possession Wilson lines up in a empty backfield and drops a easy pass for crying out loud. The second possesion he get 2 carries for 5 yards. Andre Brown was the primary back on the first TD drive that went close to 80 yards. "Don't quote me on this," but he ran for at least half of those 80 yards. Wilson's first two games he had 5 carries for 10 yards and two drops! That's why Wilson was benched! It had little to do with just ONE fumble. Brown was more effective as the Bradshaw replacement. Then Brown goes and looks like the greatest RB ever vs Car the next week. Vs the Eagles Wilson was still dropping passes. I know it drives you guys crazy, but it's true. I like Wilson as a prospect. I think there is a chance he reaches an elite status in the NFL. Right now the hype is not warrented. He was awful as a rookie, outside of 1-3 runs in blowouts that skews his ypc to an "elite" status on a small sample size. Andre Brown was better then him. That's not hard to say.

Whatever you do ... Do Not! I repeat Do Not!!! Look at these links. I will only make it hurt that much more.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviR8HjLDxkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM

If just spent time to say what happened in a actual game I watch. why would I go watch a highlight clip after that? That's the problem, you're watching highlights.

I'll try to be nice to you when bumping this thread all season. I'm not sure others will be as kind. Remember, you reap what you sew...

Take it easy on me please

I will. This is game 1.

What's your projections for game 2?

Not good!!

 

[Avery]

Wilson needs to A) Get the start and B) have a career game in order to retain any value. If someone else gets the start and they do decent and don't fumble, well, could be countdown to out of town.

I disagree on both counts and people who speak in absolutes are rarely correct.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I think this is a total overreaction on Coughlin's part as well as the fantasy world. Wilson will be fine. Fumbles can be fixed very easily. Look at Tiki Barber. He was known as a compulsive fumbler, so much that even some referred to fumbles as 'tikis'. Once he corrected his problem (by carrying the ball higher), he rarely ever fumbled again. Same thing can be said for Wilson. It's not like he just put the ball on the floor by being careless. The Cowboys were purposely stripping the ball away and it took a lot to pry it loose.

Wilson is just way too much talent to sit there and waste on the bench for the likes of D'rell Scott, McGahee, Hightower or whatever retread they find on the streets.

I own him but he neglected to cover the ball with both hands going into heavy traffic the first time, and neglected to cover up the ball the second time while he was going down. If the first fumble didn't convince him to put both hands on the ball, should we believe the second one and subsequent benching will?

Huh? I think you should go back and re-watch both fumbles. In both situations he had both hands on the ball and the ball jammed into his body with them. The ball was simply stripped.

Nope, by the time he was reaching to put a second hand on the first fumble, the ball was already coming out.

:20

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000240770/Wilson-fumble

Same thing on second fumble, he only has two hands on the football after the defender has his hand on the ball

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000240975/David-Wilson-s-miserable-night

Wilson needs to learn to cover up the Ball sooner when facing contact. On the first fumble, his lead blocker shared some blame, but the second was all him.

I gotta say, Wilson's teammates weren't doing him any favors on these plays. Pretty bad blocking. No excuse but jesus Wilson gets mauled on each of those plays.

 

[Banger]

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

Just to talk Wilson owners a step of back off the ledge... if McGahee is signed, he will likely be worked into a portion of the roll Andre Brown was supposed to fill.

The Giants had likely already planned on signed a vet RB after week 1 (so his full year salary isn't guaranteed). Assuming (a big assumption, I know), Wilson is still on the field for 60% + or - of the snaps, that is the sort of workload that I would have expected anyway with Andre Brown. Despite many saying that Wilson is just a fast guy, he is a very good running in addition to his speed and he has the capacity to produce strong RB numbers sharing his touches in the vain of a guy like Spiller.

Additionally, the investment of a 1st round pick in him makes that continued opportunity more likely.

I don't think anyone can predict with any degree of certainty how it will turn out. I don't think most would have thought with the spotlight on him and given his chance to shine he probably had the worst game of his life. Putting numbers like 60% are meaningless...if he can't protect Eli, he won't be on the field very much. It all depends on how he responds and if he starts to do the things they want him to do.

There's no doubt he has talent and I think he'll come overcome this speed bump but he's got a tight leash....much tighter than I would've ever anticipated at this point.

 

[Avery]

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

Just to talk Wilson owners a step of back off the ledge... if McGahee is signed, he will likely be worked into a portion of the roll Andre Brown was supposed to fill.

The Giants had likely already planned on signed a vet RB after week 1 (so his full year salary isn't guaranteed). Assuming (a big assumption, I know), Wilson is still on the field for 60% + or - of the snaps, that is the sort of workload that I would have expected anyway with Andre Brown. Despite many saying that Wilson is just a fast guy, he is a very good running in addition to his speed and he has the capacity to produce strong RB numbers sharing his touches in the vain of a guy like Spiller.

Additionally, the investment of a 1st round pick in him makes that continued opportunity more likely.

I don't think anyone can predict with any degree of certainty how it will turn out. I don't think most would have thought with the spotlight on him and given his chance to shine he probably had the worst game of his life. Putting numbers like 60% are meaningless...if he can't protect Eli, he won't be on the field very much. It all depends on how he responds and if he starts to do the things they want him to do.

There's no doubt he has talent and I think he'll come overcome this speed bump but he's got a tight leash....much tighter than I would've ever anticipated at this point.

Obviously I'm guessing at numbers and also, if he can't help protect Eli better, he obviously won't be on the field much.

I'm guessing at numbers because that if what we do around here. With Brown in the mix I was guessing Wilson would be on the field for most 1st and 2nd downs and few of the third downs, so I threw out the 60% number to mix in with a "reliable" vet going forward.

If we shouldn't be guessing at numbers, then we shouldn't be playing fantasy football.

 

[theToes]

I was just offered Wilson for Finley in 12 team ppr.

I have Jordan Cameron and I can pick up a backup of the WW.

Is Wilson still going to be the guy? if he is I have to take this I think.

 

[Banger]

I was just offered Wilson for Finley in 12 team ppr.

I have Jordan Cameron and I can pick up a backup of the WW.

Is Wilson still going to be the guy? if he is I have to take this I think.

take it and run. little risk and big upside.

 

[T with T]

When calling someone a moron, please use correct grammar. At least in that one sentence of your post.

hey bud this isn't english class, if you want to practice correct grammar go to school. This is a fantasy football board to chat with people, as long as I can type something readable im not gonna trip over commas or correct grammar. Yes they didn't yank wilson quick but they should have went back to him he was just having bad day. It happens, I remember AP fumbled 3 times in a playoff game....

 

[SameSongNDance]

I was just offered Wilson for Finley in 12 team ppr.

I have Jordan Cameron and I can pick up a backup of the WW.

Is Wilson still going to be the guy? if he is I have to take this I think.

This is the kind of deal I'm hoping to work out. Capitalize on the hive mind.

 

[T with T]

If Brown didn't get hurt he my have been a top-10 back after this. Wilson is lucky

haha funny one when has Brown stayed healthy long enough to be a full time back and a top 10 back at that???? haha these posts crack me up. 6 different teams and 80 career carries with nothing that really sets him apart from anyone. Brown is an avg back at best with below avg durability. Wilson has no durability questions, can run, catch and block decently, although the missed block was cause for concern, I think it was first game jitters not to mention they went first two series of the game without a run which I thought was awkward and weird. anyways. Just had to post something on that one that caught my eye.

 

[Clifford]

I think this is a total overreaction on Coughlin's part as well as the fantasy world. Wilson will be fine. Fumbles can be fixed very easily. Look at Tiki Barber. He was known as a compulsive fumbler, so much that even some referred to fumbles as 'tikis'. Once he corrected his problem (by carrying the ball higher), he rarely ever fumbled again. Same thing can be said for Wilson. It's not like he just put the ball on the floor by being careless. The Cowboys were purposely stripping the ball away and it took a lot to pry it loose.

Wilson is just way too much talent to sit there and waste on the bench for the likes of D'rell Scott, McGahee, Hightower or whatever retread they find on the streets.

I own him but he neglected to cover the ball with both hands going into heavy traffic the first time, and neglected to cover up the ball the second time while he was going down. If the first fumble didn't convince him to put both hands on the ball, should we believe the second one and subsequent benching will?

Huh? I think you should go back and re-watch both fumbles. In both situations he had both hands on the ball and the ball jammed into his body with them. The ball was simply stripped.

Nope, by the time he was reaching to put a second hand on the first fumble, the ball was already coming out.

:20

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000240770/Wilson-fumble

Same thing on second fumble, he only has two hands on the football after the defender has his hand on the ball

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000240975/David-Wilson-s-miserable-night

Wilson needs to learn to cover up the Ball sooner when facing contact. On the first fumble, his lead blocker shared some blame, but the second was all him.

I gotta say, Wilson's teammates weren't doing him any favors on these plays. Pretty bad blocking. No excuse but jesus Wilson gets mauled on each of those plays.

Really terrible blocking on the first one. Second one looked like a standard pileup.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Not only was it the fumbles, he didn't look sure of himself from the start... nervous or butterflies. TC knows that they need Wilson and this is a great time to buy low. Don't get me wrong, if he has another game even close to that hes in the doghouse for a very long time, but he got over this last yr and should bounce back when he gets the chance.

Last year, when the starter went down, Brown got the first shot to start. He put up good numbers. He had the opportunity last year to start before Wilson. I'm more interested in buying Brown than Wilson. I think he can be had for a cheaper price and may put up better numbers since WIlson might be their RB2 when he comes back - just like last year.

Edited to add - you might be able to find Brown on your waiver wire. In larger leagues, you can probably get him for peanuts. He's not playing until week 10, but might be able to help you win in the playoffs.

Wilson also fumbled his 1st carry last yr and was bench / reduced to a much smaller role than intended

 

[JuniorNB]

When calling someone a moron, please use correct grammar. At least in that one sentence of your post.

hey bud this isn't english class, if you want to practice correct grammar go to school. This is a fantasy football board to chat with people, as long as I can type something readable im not gonna trip over commas or correct grammar.

I would have gone with a period after the word 'class' and started a new sentence after that. Same with the word 'people'. Just sayin'

 

[ShaHBucks]

If Brown didn't get hurt he my have been a top-10 back after this. Wilson is lucky

haha funny one when has Brown stayed healthy long enough to be a full time back and a top 10 back at that???? haha these posts crack me up. 6 different teams and 80 career carries with nothing that really sets him apart from anyone. Brown is an avg back at best with below avg durability. Wilson has no durability questions, can run, catch and block decently, although the missed block was cause for concern, I think it was first game jitters not to mention they went first two series of the game without a run which I thought was awkward and weird. anyways. Just had to post something on that one that caught my eye.

So is Wilson I'm implying that he would probably had been the lead back after this. Wilson provides good opportunities for guys like Kregg Lupkin and D. Scott why not Brown?

 

[Khy]

Wilson needs to A) Get the start and B) have a career game in order to retain any value. If someone else gets the start and they do decent and don't fumble, well, could be countdown to out of town.

I disagree on both counts and people who speak in absolutes are rarely correct.

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

It'd be nice if you would stop speaking in random absolutes with no actual proof. What Wilson has to do in order to retain any value:

- Don't fumble in Week 2

That's literally it... not a single thing else has to be done. If he doesn't fumble, the talent is there for him to put up good numbers. He'll get the start, you'd be kidding yourself to think otherwise. Da'rel Scott sure as hell isn't getting the start, there's some news Cox may be a healthy scratch this week and whatever vet they sign surely won't get the start. Wilson will get the start and all he has to do is keep the ball in his hands. He doesn't need a career game. Then again by his standards anything over a 100 yard game would be a 'career game' for him.

You literally pulled that McGahee thing completely out of thin air... not a single source has stated that he will be signed if he can pass a physical. All that's been said is that the Giants scheduled workouts for McGahee and Jacobs tomorrow. Just as they worked out Beanie Wells and Jonathan Dwyer prior to this game ever happening. You're jumping to egregious conclusions on the situation and reporting it all as fact; which offers no assistance to the situation from a fantasy perspective.

 

[Avery]

Wilson needs to A) Get the start and B) have a career game in order to retain any value. If someone else gets the start and they do decent and don't fumble, well, could be countdown to out of town.

I disagree on both counts and people who speak in absolutes are rarely correct.

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

It'd be nice if you would stop speaking in random absolutes with no actual proof. What Wilson has to do in order to retain any value:

- Don't fumble in Week 2

That's literally it... not a single thing else has to be done. If he doesn't fumble, the talent is there for him to put up good numbers. He'll get the start, you'd be kidding yourself to think otherwise. Da'rel Scott sure as hell isn't getting the start, there's some news Cox may be a healthy scratch this week and whatever vet they sign surely won't get the start. Wilson will get the start and all he has to do is keep the ball in his hands. He doesn't need a career game. Then again by his standards anything over a 100 yard game would be a 'career game' for him.

I'll agree that he doesn't need a career game, which is silly, but he needs to do something else other than not fumble - he needs to help keep Eli clean. He doesn't have to be an offensive lineman, but he has to get in the way of a rusher as a last line of defense when called upon.

 

[Khy]

Wilson needs to A) Get the start and B) have a career game in order to retain any value. If someone else gets the start and they do decent and don't fumble, well, could be countdown to out of town.

I disagree on both counts and people who speak in absolutes are rarely correct.

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

It'd be nice if you would stop speaking in random absolutes with no actual proof. What Wilson has to do in order to retain any value:

- Don't fumble in Week 2

That's literally it... not a single thing else has to be done. If he doesn't fumble, the talent is there for him to put up good numbers. He'll get the start, you'd be kidding yourself to think otherwise. Da'rel Scott sure as hell isn't getting the start, there's some news Cox may be a healthy scratch this week and whatever vet they sign surely won't get the start. Wilson will get the start and all he has to do is keep the ball in his hands. He doesn't need a career game. Then again by his standards anything over a 100 yard game would be a 'career game' for him.

I'll agree that he doesn't need a career game, which is silly, but he needs to do something else other than not fumble - he needs to help keep Eli clean. He doesn't have to be an offensive lineman, but he has to get in the way of a rusher as a last line of defense when called upon.

To retain any value? I don't know about that tbh... I'd say he needs to be able to do that to retain elite RB1 upside. But to retain the high end RB2 value most of us thought we were getting with him, I think he just needs to hold the ball. If he shows he can do that and also keep Eli from dying then he's showing he can be the every down back they'd like him to be. Then he gains that elite upside.

 

[Avery]

Wilson needs to A) Get the start and B) have a career game in order to retain any value. If someone else gets the start and they do decent and don't fumble, well, could be countdown to out of town.

I disagree on both counts and people who speak in absolutes are rarely correct.

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

It'd be nice if you would stop speaking in random absolutes with no actual proof. What Wilson has to do in order to retain any value:

- Don't fumble in Week 2

That's literally it... not a single thing else has to be done. If he doesn't fumble, the talent is there for him to put up good numbers. He'll get the start, you'd be kidding yourself to think otherwise. Da'rel Scott sure as hell isn't getting the start, there's some news Cox may be a healthy scratch this week and whatever vet they sign surely won't get the start. Wilson will get the start and all he has to do is keep the ball in his hands. He doesn't need a career game. Then again by his standards anything over a 100 yard game would be a 'career game' for him.

I'll agree that he doesn't need a career game, which is silly, but he needs to do something else other than not fumble - he needs to help keep Eli clean. He doesn't have to be an offensive lineman, but he has to get in the way of a rusher as a last line of defense when called upon.

To retain any value? I don't know about that tbh... I'd say he needs to be able to do that to retain elite RB1 upside. But to retain the high end RB2 value most of us thought we were getting with him, I think he just needs to hold the ball. If he shows he can do that and also keep Eli from dying then he's showing he can be the every down back they'd like him to be. Then he gains that elite upside.

It seems like at first you disagree and then agree with me.

Isn't "keep Eli from dying" the same thing as "help keep Eli clean"?

 

[Clifford]

Wilson needs to A) Get the start and B) have a career game in order to retain any value. If someone else gets the start and they do decent and don't fumble, well, could be countdown to out of town.

I disagree on both counts and people who speak in absolutes are rarely correct.

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

It'd be nice if you would stop speaking in random absolutes with no actual proof. What Wilson has to do in order to retain any value:

- Don't fumble in Week 2

That's literally it... not a single thing else has to be done. If he doesn't fumble, the talent is there for him to put up good numbers. He'll get the start, you'd be kidding yourself to think otherwise. Da'rel Scott sure as hell isn't getting the start, there's some news Cox may be a healthy scratch this week and whatever vet they sign surely won't get the start. Wilson will get the start and all he has to do is keep the ball in his hands. He doesn't need a career game. Then again by his standards anything over a 100 yard game would be a 'career game' for him.

I'll agree that he doesn't need a career game, which is silly, but he needs to do something else other than not fumble - he needs to help keep Eli clean. He doesn't have to be an offensive lineman, but he has to get in the way of a rusher as a last line of defense when called upon.

A career game for Wilson is 101 yards. But you guys are right, if he can put together a decent game without any fumbles or whiffs in pass pro he's probably ok.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Giants can't overreact on David WilsonSeptember, 9, 2013SEP 9
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The chatter today around the New York Giants is of running backs. David Wilson fumbled twice and got benched in the opener Sunday night, and among those getting tryouts Tuesday in East Rutherford are Willis McGahee and old friend Brandon Jacobs. This afterBeanie Wells was in last week, and other names being whispered include Joe McKnight andTim Hightower. It would be no surprise to see the Giants sign a veteran halfback this week. They only have three on their roster, and two are unproven. Actually, all three are unproven, or this wouldn't be a headline-worthy issue on this Monday, would it?



Wilson
McGaheeThat's the key thing to remember on Wilson, and on the veteran backs who are in for the standard Tuesday tryouts: The Giants aren't looking to replace their downcast second-year back. They're looking to supplement him. None of the names in that first paragraph would be candidates to take Wilson's job, but rather to ease it. For the Giants to sit Wilson down in favor of a veteran who hasn't yet found work would be rash and shortsighted, and that's not the way they do business.

Recall that, just three weeks ago, Wilson wasn't supposed to be handling three-down running back chores. Andre Brown was replacing him on third downs and at the goal line, because Brown had a better knowledge of the pass-blocking schemes and was ultra-effective last year at the goal line. But then Brown broke his leg and all of a sudden Wilson was hearing from everyone inside and outside the building about how much more was going to be asked of him. And then he goes out and whiffs on a couple of key blocks and gives the ball away twice against Dallas on Sunday night and gets benched, and now it's all about "What are they going to do at running back?"

Well, the answer is likely that they're going to do what they were going to do in the first place. They don't need to replace Wilson. They need to replace Brown. And Da'Rel Scott andMichael Cox don't appear to be the guys to do it. Perhaps Jacobs, who obviously knows the offense better than any back on the market, can do it. Perhaps McGahee, who was the Broncos' starter last year before he got hurt and is a proficient pass-blocker (because the Broncos won't play you at running back if you're not either), can handle it if he shows he's healthy enough. Perhaps there's a name of which we've yet to hear.


Wells
JacobsBut on Overreaction Monday, in the wake of an ugly loss to a team the Giants and their fans despise, it's easy to lose sight of the big picture. Wilson is 22 years old and has a grand total of 78 career NFL carries. It's entirely possible he's not ready to be the superstar feature back everybody seems to want to rush to make him. He's special to watch when he has the ball in his hands -- a gifted, lightning-fast, tough runner who offers the kind of big-play potential they're simply not going to find in one of these tryouts. The Giants want and need him on the field for those reasons, and they don't really believe a fumbling problem is going to derail his promising career. They believe they can get him right, and if that means bringing in someone to ease the load and maybe tilt that spotlight a little bit so it's not shining right into the depths of his pupils, then maybe that's the right answer. Maybe using him on kickoff returns again, where he was so dazzling last year, would help his confidence. Maybe the young man just needs to breathe. Maybe he just had a bad night and it'll never happen again.

The Giants' best move here is to bring in someone to add to their depth at running back so that, if Wilson turns out not to be ready yet to be the feature-back star, they have a better option than Scott to spell him. But it's important that the team and its fans not overreact to Wilson's bad night in Dallas. He's still a supremely talented young player with a bright future. The Giants' job is to help him manage his way into and through that future, whatever it takes. Fortunately for Wilson, they are an organization that understands this and will keep the big picture in mind. Even if that means easing his load in the short term.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Just an interesting article to put things in perspective. And I'm just as frustrated as a David Wilson owner as anyone else. The 1st Fumble though was more the defense did a great job locking him up and them ripping it out then it was about Wilson being careless. Just Saying.

 

[Wonderllama]

I would not want to count on David Wilson if I could only start two RBs. I might trade for him if you could start him as a flex. Otherwise, avoid unless you can get Wilson for some scrub.

(Personally I'm wondering if Wilson is worth guys like Lamar Miller or Ryan Mathews)

 

[TheFanatic]

I would not want to count on David Wilson if I could only start two RBs. I might trade for him if you could start him as a flex. Otherwise, avoid unless you can get Wilson for some scrub.

(Personally I'm wondering if Wilson is worth guys like Lamar Miller or Ryan Mathews)

So you are saying Wilson isn't worth anything after 1 game, yet Miller showed you exactly what yesterday?

 

[Khy]

Giants can't overreact on David WilsonSeptember, 9, 2013SEP 9
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By Dan Graziano | ESPN.com

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The chatter today around the New York Giants is of running backs. David Wilson fumbled twice and got benched in the opener Sunday night, and among those getting tryouts Tuesday in East Rutherford are Willis McGahee and old friend Brandon Jacobs. This afterBeanie Wells was in last week, and other names being whispered include Joe McKnight andTim Hightower. It would be no surprise to see the Giants sign a veteran halfback this week. They only have three on their roster, and two are unproven. Actually, all three are unproven, or this wouldn't be a headline-worthy issue on this Monday, would it?


Wilson
McGaheeThat's the key thing to remember on Wilson, and on the veteran backs who are in for the standard Tuesday tryouts: The Giants aren't looking to replace their downcast second-year back. They're looking to supplement him. None of the names in that first paragraph would be candidates to take Wilson's job, but rather to ease it. For the Giants to sit Wilson down in favor of a veteran who hasn't yet found work would be rash and shortsighted, and that's not the way they do business. Recall that, just three weeks ago, Wilson wasn't supposed to be handling three-down running back chores. Andre Brown was replacing him on third downs and at the goal line, because Brown had a better knowledge of the pass-blocking schemes and was ultra-effective last year at the goal line. But then Brown broke his leg and all of a sudden Wilson was hearing from everyone inside and outside the building about how much more was going to be asked of him. And then he goes out and whiffs on a couple of key blocks and gives the ball away twice against Dallas on Sunday night and gets benched, and now it's all about "What are they going to do at running back?"

Well, the answer is likely that they're going to do what they were going to do in the first place. They don't need to replace Wilson. They need to replace Brown. And <a data-ipb="nomediaparse" data-cke-saved-href="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14087/da" href="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14087/da" rel-scott"="">Da'Rel Scott andMichael Cox don't appear to be the guys to do it. Perhaps Jacobs, who obviously knows the offense better than any back on the market, can do it. Perhaps McGahee, who was the Broncos' starter last year before he got hurt and is a proficient pass-blocker (because the Broncos won't play you at running back if you're not either), can handle it if he shows he's healthy enough. Perhaps there's a name of which we've yet to hear.


Wells
JacobsBut on Overreaction Monday, in the wake of an ugly loss to a team the Giants and their fans despise, it's easy to lose sight of the big picture. Wilson is 22 years old and has a grand total of 78 career NFL carries. It's entirely possible he's not ready to be the superstar feature back everybody seems to want to rush to make him. He's special to watch when he has the ball in his hands -- a gifted, lightning-fast, tough runner who offers the kind of big-play potential they're simply not going to find in one of these tryouts. The Giants want and need him on the field for those reasons, and they don't really believe a fumbling problem is going to derail his promising career. They believe they can get him right, and if that means bringing in someone to ease the load and maybe tilt that spotlight a little bit so it's not shining right into the depths of his pupils, then maybe that's the right answer. Maybe using him on kickoff returns again, where he was so dazzling last year, would help his confidence. Maybe the young man just needs to breathe. Maybe he just had a bad night and it'll never happen again. The Giants' best move here is to bring in someone to add to their depth at running back so that, if Wilson turns out not to be ready yet to be the feature-back star, they have a better option than Scott to spell him. But it's important that the team and its fans not overreact to Wilson's bad night in Dallas. He's still a supremely talented young player with a bright future. The Giants' job is to help him manage his way into and through that future, whatever it takes. Fortunately for Wilson, they are an organization that understands this and will keep the big picture in mind. Even if that means easing his load in the short term.

This is far and away the best analysis of the situation I've seen any writer or amateur forum poster make regarding the situation. As he states actual facts based on how the Giants handle situations historically. This is still Wilson's backfield and nothing has changed in that regard. However, the situation is correct that Brown needs to be replaced. Wilson came into this season as the "starting RB" his job was to run hard and make plays. Andre Brown was going to take care of the passing down situations as Wilson was further trained and versed on the pass blocking schemes.

Brown went down and all of a sudden it was "David, your the guy. We need you to come through. Don't mess this up. The entire team is counting on you". That's a lot to put on a guy who clearly has some small self-confidence issues and maturity issues. Then you add to the equation opening night, against your biggest division rival, the same division rival that ruined your season last year and made you cry on national television. The same national television that you're now going to be on tonight, with 50 million fans watching from all around the world. Also add to the fact that the game just wasn't going well from the start, bad INT by Eli to start the game, problems moving the ball. All he's saying to himself is "Don't fumble, don't fumble, don't fumble" and he's psyching himself out. That is a LOT of pressure to put on a young kid like Wilson. I really think next week in a more low-key game against the Broncos where they aren't the center of the NFL attention he'll be a lot more calm. Also getting someone in there every so often to block or take a few runs would help a lot.

 

[Wonderllama]

I would not want to count on David Wilson if I could only start two RBs. I might trade for him if you could start him as a flex. Otherwise, avoid unless you can get Wilson for some scrub.

(Personally I'm wondering if Wilson is worth guys like Lamar Miller or Ryan Mathews)

So you are saying Wilson isn't worth anything after 1 game, yet Miller showed you exactly what yesterday?

Well again, that's what I'm trying to decide. David Wilson has a pretty significant downside... that being fumbles, getting benched, and negative fantasy points. I get the impression Miller has a longer leash. He should do better against the Colts. But I'm not a big Miller fan by any means

 

[T with T]

David Wilson reminds me of Chris Johnson from a few years ago. The RB you draft really high but then dives off a cliff afterwards, forcing you to sell pennies on the dollar.

Wilson is very interesting, but I think I'd rather have guys like Shane Vereen, Eddie Lacy, and DeMarco Murray over him right now.

still rather have vereen???? after he is expected to miss at least 4 weeks.

 

[T with T]

I was just offered Wilson for Finley in 12 team ppr.

I have Jordan Cameron and I can pick up a backup of the WW.

Is Wilson still going to be the guy? if he is I have to take this I think.

This is the kind of deal I'm hoping to work out. Capitalize on the hive mind.

you better do that trade before he changes his mind.. that's robbery esp if you have j.cameron

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

David Wilson reminds me of Chris Johnson from a few years ago. The RB you draft really high but then dives off a cliff afterwards, forcing you to sell pennies on the dollar.

Wilson is very interesting, but I think I'd rather have guys like Shane Vereen, Eddie Lacy, and DeMarco Murray over him right now.

still rather have vereen???? after he is expected to miss at least 4 weeks.

David Wilson reminds me of Chris Johnson from a few years ago. The RB you draft really high but then dives off a cliff afterwards, forcing you to sell pennies on the dollar.

Wilson is very interesting, but I think I'd rather have guys like Shane Vereen, Eddie Lacy, and DeMarco Murray over him right now.

still rather have vereen???? after he is expected to miss at least 4 weeks.

Pretty interesting question I think...

I'd rather have Vereen...

 

[Wonderllama]

David Wilson reminds me of Chris Johnson from a few years ago. The RB you draft really high but then dives off a cliff afterwards, forcing you to sell pennies on the dollar.

Wilson is very interesting, but I think I'd rather have guys like Shane Vereen, Eddie Lacy, and DeMarco Murray over him right now.

still rather have vereen???? after he is expected to miss at least 4 weeks.

Depends on the format and the rest of the team. In a PPR league, if I felt good about my other two starting RBs, I'd be inclined to keep Vereen.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

UPDATE: Wilson might soon have competition in the backfield. The Giants will work out Brandon Jacobs and Willis McGahee on Tuesday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241279/article/david-wilsons-status-as-giants-no-1-back-uncertain

McGahee will be signed if he can pass a physical.

Just to talk Wilson owners a step of back off the ledge... if McGahee is signed, he will likely be worked into a portion of the roll Andre Brown was supposed to fill.

The Giants had likely already planned on signed a vet RB after week 1 (so his full year salary isn't guaranteed). Assuming (a big assumption, I know), Wilson is still on the field for 60% + or - of the snaps, that is the sort of workload that I would have expected anyway with Andre Brown. Despite many saying that Wilson is just a fast guy, he is a very good running in addition to his speed and he has the capacity to produce strong RB numbers sharing his touches in the vain of a guy like Spiller.

Additionally, the investment of a 1st round pick in him makes that continued opportunity more likely.

Yep, goal line guys. I hated the idea of Wilson being the goal line guy anyway after Brown went down, he just isn't a complete back. Unfortunately how long he will stay in Coughlin's doghouse remains to be seen.

I agreed with Khy above about having the ball stripped from him, but seeing it again on Clifford's links, yea, Wilson didn't cover up as well as he should have. This kid has a ways to go.