***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (3 Viewers)

[JuniorNB]

You guys are really funny... man. People just ignore history on these forums in favor of what they know now as if it never happened. Peterson never had fumbling issues and never had pass blocking issues. The fact that they actually existed is clearly arbitrary because they don't exist now. Never mind the fact that those issues existed for several of his early seasons and he got past them because the coaching staff allowed him the time to develop and get past them. The "arbitrary wall of test I found" is from Scout.com whom if I recall gets their information from prior NFL.com pre-draft profiles.

Go find the old ADP threads from before the start of the 2007 season. They were about as big as this Wilson thread and just as many people were saying stuff about his fumbling getting him in trouble and he was clearly to injury prone to be a NFL success etc. etc.

The simple fact is WE-DON'T-KNOW how young players will turn out until they turn out that way. Wilson has all the talent in the world to end his career considered one of this generations best RBs. He has some problems him and the Giants coaches need to work through though. But to sit here and say that they were a better team when he left the field on Sunday and that he was the reason they were losing is ridiculous. Cause I guess you're just ignoring Eli's INT on the first play of the game or his INT at mid-field or the other one that was a pick 6 returned for a TD.

For some reason people in this thread just want to ignore certain facts to form their opinion that it's already time to throw in the towel on Wilson. It's completely ridiculous and honestly, I wish you guys were in my dynasty leagues cause all of my dynasty owners won't even sell him for what would have been considered a decent trade before Sunday's debacle. You're all over-reacting.

Huh? Ignore what history? I've been saying Wilson was gonna bust the entire off-season.

Wilson and Peterson's situations are completely different and I don't think YOU understand History. Peterson was already proven to be a stud Running Back, someone who could literally take control of games and use individual effort to pick up yards when his fumbling issues arose. All Wilson has shown is the ability to create long plays similar to Jerious Norwood or Leon Washington, based on speed alone.

The only thing these two have in common is fumbling issues. I don't care what scout.com says, use your own personal judgement and more imporantly common sense when it comes to player evaluation.

Take that to the bank brohan.

You come across as a real winner.

 

[Eminence]

You guys are really funny... man. People just ignore history on these forums in favor of what they know now as if it never happened. Peterson never had fumbling issues and never had pass blocking issues. The fact that they actually existed is clearly arbitrary because they don't exist now. Never mind the fact that those issues existed for several of his early seasons and he got past them because the coaching staff allowed him the time to develop and get past them. The "arbitrary wall of test I found" is from Scout.com whom if I recall gets their information from prior NFL.com pre-draft profiles.

Go find the old ADP threads from before the start of the 2007 season. They were about as big as this Wilson thread and just as many people were saying stuff about his fumbling getting him in trouble and he was clearly to injury prone to be a NFL success etc. etc.

The simple fact is WE-DON'T-KNOW how young players will turn out until they turn out that way. Wilson has all the talent in the world to end his career considered one of this generations best RBs. He has some problems him and the Giants coaches need to work through though. But to sit here and say that they were a better team when he left the field on Sunday and that he was the reason they were losing is ridiculous. Cause I guess you're just ignoring Eli's INT on the first play of the game or his INT at mid-field or the other one that was a pick 6 returned for a TD.

For some reason people in this thread just want to ignore certain facts to form their opinion that it's already time to throw in the towel on Wilson. It's completely ridiculous and honestly, I wish you guys were in my dynasty leagues cause all of my dynasty owners won't even sell him for what would have been considered a decent trade before Sunday's debacle. You're all over-reacting.

Huh? Ignore what history? I've been saying Wilson was gonna bust the entire off-season.

Wilson and Peterson's situations are completely different and I don't think YOU understand History. Peterson was already proven to be a stud Running Back, someone who could literally take control of games and use individual effort to pick up yards when his fumbling issues arose. All Wilson has shown is the ability to create long plays similar to Jerious Norwood or Leon Washington, based on speed alone.

The only thing these two have in common is fumbling issues. I don't care what scout.com says, use your own personal judgement and more imporantly common sense when it comes to player evaluation.

Take that to the bank brohan.

Nobody... I repeat... Nobody coming into the NFL is a "proven stud". That's ridiculous... every single year there are 10x the amount of busts in the NFL draft as their are "proven studs". For every Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson and Peyton Manning there is a Ki-Jana Carter, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Charles Rodgers, etc.

Nobody is a proven stud... that isn't a term that exists coming into the NFL. Sure there are people that we can be higher on than others but everyone... EVERYONE has questions and the opportunity to fail before the NFL.

The fact that you somehow fail to recognize this pure fact makes me value what you've been saying even less than I already did. I won't even get into your analysis of how all Wilson has shown is speed which literally couldn't be any further from the truth and proves once again that you actually know nothing about the situation and are hating on the player and the situation just to hate.

Huh? Peterson 4 fumbles on 257 carries his rookie-year. He had 9 fumbles on 384 carries in his Sophomore Season. That's what I'm referring to. Peterson was given time to work on his fumbling issues because of his PROVEN PRODUCTION his first two-seasons.

What has Wilson proved? That he can make long runs that other scatbacks can make? Whoopie.

 

[Eminence]

You guys are really funny... man. People just ignore history on these forums in favor of what they know now as if it never happened. Peterson never had fumbling issues and never had pass blocking issues. The fact that they actually existed is clearly arbitrary because they don't exist now. Never mind the fact that those issues existed for several of his early seasons and he got past them because the coaching staff allowed him the time to develop and get past them. The "arbitrary wall of test I found" is from Scout.com whom if I recall gets their information from prior NFL.com pre-draft profiles.

Go find the old ADP threads from before the start of the 2007 season. They were about as big as this Wilson thread and just as many people were saying stuff about his fumbling getting him in trouble and he was clearly to injury prone to be a NFL success etc. etc.

The simple fact is WE-DON'T-KNOW how young players will turn out until they turn out that way. Wilson has all the talent in the world to end his career considered one of this generations best RBs. He has some problems him and the Giants coaches need to work through though. But to sit here and say that they were a better team when he left the field on Sunday and that he was the reason they were losing is ridiculous. Cause I guess you're just ignoring Eli's INT on the first play of the game or his INT at mid-field or the other one that was a pick 6 returned for a TD.

For some reason people in this thread just want to ignore certain facts to form their opinion that it's already time to throw in the towel on Wilson. It's completely ridiculous and honestly, I wish you guys were in my dynasty leagues cause all of my dynasty owners won't even sell him for what would have been considered a decent trade before Sunday's debacle. You're all over-reacting.

Huh? Ignore what history? I've been saying Wilson was gonna bust the entire off-season.

Wilson and Peterson's situations are completely different and I don't think YOU understand History. Peterson was already proven to be a stud Running Back, someone who could literally take control of games and use individual effort to pick up yards when his fumbling issues arose. All Wilson has shown is the ability to create long plays similar to Jerious Norwood or Leon Washington, based on speed alone.

The only thing these two have in common is fumbling issues. I don't care what scout.com says, use your own personal judgement and more imporantly common sense when it comes to player evaluation.

Take that to the bank brohan.

You come across as a real winner.

My Fantasy Teams did go 3 - 1 this past week. And no, I didn't draft David Wilson is a single one.

 

[drake_ovo]

i have david wilson in one league. lost in that league

i played against david wilson in another league. won in that league.

cool story, bros?

 

[Yenrub]

They need to nurse Wilson thru this issue, but Couighlin is so Old School, I think he makes Wilson event more nervous based on the size of the doghouse from last year.

They are gonna need Wilson more than last year, but what no coach will tolerate is consistent fumbles..

I hope he gets another crack at the starting gig again this week and does well.. I really need him...

Coughlin probably does scare the #### out of Wilson.

The Giants need a RB to do the following

1. Not get Eli killed when called upon to block

2. Not fumble

3. Make explosive plays rushing and receiving

Wilson has to learn block better

I think they Giants staff can work with him on fumbles

Wilson is the only healthy RB on the roster that truly do #3 so my guess is they WANT it to be Wilson

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You really have to take that Saints game out fo the picture. I usually don't advocate that, but teh Saints were so bad in spots some performances were an aberration. Without that game his career totals are:

65/277/2, 4.2 YPC.

 

[Hybrid]

You really have to take that Saints game out fo the picture. I usually don't advocate that, but teh Saints were so bad in spots some performances were an aberration. Without that game his career totals are:

65/277/2, 4.2 YPC.

Wow okay. Let's take out last night's game too, then (his worst game).

58/258/2, 4.45 ypc, 1 fumble.

 

[Khy]

You really have to take that Saints game out fo the picture. I usually don't advocate that, but teh Saints were so bad in spots some performances were an aberration. Without that game his career totals are:

65/277/2, 4.2 YPC.

Wow okay. Let's take out last night's game too, then (his worst game).

58/258/2, 4.45 ypc, 1 fumble.

Wow, Doug Martin must suck too... I mean the Saints held him to a stat line of 25 carries, 101 rushing yards and 0 TDs for 4.04 YPC last season. What a piece of trash RB.

 

[lbouchard]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

Out of hand? What game were you watching?

The Giants were down by 6 points with 2 minutes left in the game and had the ball.

#2

You make a statement that is completely wrong, he corrects you, and you call him a hater.

 

[Clifford]

You guys are really funny... man. People just ignore history on these forums in favor of what they know now as if it never happened. Peterson never had fumbling issues and never had pass blocking issues. The fact that they actually existed is clearly arbitrary because they don't exist now. Never mind the fact that those issues existed for several of his early seasons and he got past them because the coaching staff allowed him the time to develop and get past them. The "arbitrary wall of test I found" is from Scout.com whom if I recall gets their information from prior NFL.com pre-draft profiles.

Go find the old ADP threads from before the start of the 2007 season. They were about as big as this Wilson thread and just as many people were saying stuff about his fumbling getting him in trouble and he was clearly to injury prone to be a NFL success etc. etc.

The simple fact is WE-DON'T-KNOW how young players will turn out until they turn out that way. Wilson has all the talent in the world to end his career considered one of this generations best RBs. He has some problems him and the Giants coaches need to work through though. But to sit here and say that they were a better team when he left the field on Sunday and that he was the reason they were losing is ridiculous. Cause I guess you're just ignoring Eli's INT on the first play of the game or his INT at mid-field or the other one that was a pick 6 returned for a TD.

For some reason people in this thread just want to ignore certain facts to form their opinion that it's already time to throw in the towel on Wilson. It's completely ridiculous and honestly, I wish you guys were in my dynasty leagues cause all of my dynasty owners won't even sell him for what would have been considered a decent trade before Sunday's debacle. You're all over-reacting.

Huh? Ignore what history? I've been saying Wilson was gonna bust the entire off-season.

Wilson and Peterson's situations are completely different and I don't think YOU understand History. Peterson was already proven to be a stud Running Back, someone who could literally take control of games and use individual effort to pick up yards when his fumbling issues arose. All Wilson has shown is the ability to create long plays similar to Jerious Norwood or Leon Washington, based on speed alone.

The only thing these two have in common is fumbling issues. I don't care what scout.com says, use your own personal judgement and more imporantly common sense when it comes to player evaluation.

Take that to the bank brohan.

Fine to dog on Wilson, but don't be ripping off SWC's schtick.

 

[Clifford]

You guys are really funny... man. People just ignore history on these forums in favor of what they know now as if it never happened. Peterson never had fumbling issues and never had pass blocking issues. The fact that they actually existed is clearly arbitrary because they don't exist now. Never mind the fact that those issues existed for several of his early seasons and he got past them because the coaching staff allowed him the time to develop and get past them. The "arbitrary wall of test I found" is from Scout.com whom if I recall gets their information from prior NFL.com pre-draft profiles.

Go find the old ADP threads from before the start of the 2007 season. They were about as big as this Wilson thread and just as many people were saying stuff about his fumbling getting him in trouble and he was clearly to injury prone to be a NFL success etc. etc.

The simple fact is WE-DON'T-KNOW how young players will turn out until they turn out that way. Wilson has all the talent in the world to end his career considered one of this generations best RBs. He has some problems him and the Giants coaches need to work through though. But to sit here and say that they were a better team when he left the field on Sunday and that he was the reason they were losing is ridiculous. Cause I guess you're just ignoring Eli's INT on the first play of the game or his INT at mid-field or the other one that was a pick 6 returned for a TD.

For some reason people in this thread just want to ignore certain facts to form their opinion that it's already time to throw in the towel on Wilson. It's completely ridiculous and honestly, I wish you guys were in my dynasty leagues cause all of my dynasty owners won't even sell him for what would have been considered a decent trade before Sunday's debacle. You're all over-reacting.

Huh? Ignore what history? I've been saying Wilson was gonna bust the entire off-season.

Wilson and Peterson's situations are completely different and I don't think YOU understand History. Peterson was already proven to be a stud Running Back, someone who could literally take control of games and use individual effort to pick up yards when his fumbling issues arose. All Wilson has shown is the ability to create long plays similar to Jerious Norwood or Leon Washington, based on speed alone.

The only thing these two have in common is fumbling issues. I don't care what scout.com says, use your own personal judgement and more imporantly common sense when it comes to player evaluation.

Take that to the bank brohan.

You come across as a real winner.

My Fantasy Teams did go 3 - 1 this past week. And no, I didn't draft David Wilson is a single one.

Mine too and I drafted Wilson in one of them. Guess which one?

Guys, there really isn't a right or wrong on this one. I hate to admit it, and even though he did his best to hide them, Eminence has made some decent points. Wilson's game is built primarily on speed, and he lacks in several major facets of the game that fantasy players don't care about but coaches do. Especially Grandpa Coughlin.

Smaller backs have become effective pass blockers, but they have to hone that technique while bigger backs can just set and pop. As easily as this kid could turn into the next CJ or Charles, he has an equal shot to flame out. It's all about how much leash Grandpa gives him and what he can do with it, two future events no one can really predict.

Lemme put it this way: I am torn on whether to offer Ryan Mathews for him. Mathews has a very low ceiling given how he was used last night. But as much as I love the idea of Wilson, I have to accept the reality that at the end of the year, if things go a certain way, that could be a terrible trade for me.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

Coughlin says they need him, but what does he know?

Pretty sure Eli Manning can carry this team on his back. Erase Wilson's fumbles and the Giants win this game. I am willing to bet if Wilson never took a snap they would have won. Ever hear of Coach Speak?

Sure, he wants Wilson to be the player the 49 page hype thread thinks he can be. But Wilson imo, is a player who's going to spark off a few long runs against ####ty defenses.

Erase the pass that Scott knocked into the air that was intercepted & run back for a TD & they win. It goes both ways. Wilson had a real bad night, but so did the whole team. As a fan of the team I think they'll figure it out. I'm hopeful Wilson can get his problems fixed because I do think they do need him.

 

[Touchdown There]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

Out of hand? What game were you watching?

The Giants were down by 6 points with 2 minutes left in the game and had the ball.

#2

You make a statement that is completely wrong, he corrects you, and you call him a hater.

You need to study up on turnover margins. It is only the most important statistic in football Cap'n Rolly LOL.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/23/4649718/college-football-turnover-margin-winning-percentage

http://12thmanrising.com/2012/05/29/the-enigma-of-turnovers-reprised/

 

[ShaHBucks]

You really have to take that Saints game out fo the picture. I usually don't advocate that, but teh Saints were so bad in spots some performances were an aberration. Without that game his career totals are:

65/277/2, 4.2 YPC.

I can't understand how you can be anymore than cautiously optimistic about Wilson when it's not a 100% guarantee that he will even lead the team in carries, let alone be the next stud RB. I care no more about Wilson than I do Lamar Miller- which means "hopeful," but I'm putting all of my chips down. If he was so great he wouldn't have flopped so hard to start the season. He had a 40-yard TD late in a Browns blowout. Outside of that run he had 27 carries for 71 yards through week 10. 6 carries for 8 yards his first 3 weeks. Weeks 8-12 13 carries for 25 yards. He destroyed NO with aother late run in a blowout but thats not saying much. The week after with the playoff on the line vs ATL Coughlin had him split carries with another journeymen, Kregg Lumpkin... Now when the game is on the line you expect Caughlin to sit a healthy Andre Brown for David Wilson? I will believe that when I see it. Wilson was more awful than not last season.

Wilson will be fine in the NFL. Plenty of solid RB's would be fine being the main carry RB for the NYG. I'm not hopping on the top-10 bandwagon anytime soon. Andre Brown is a better bargin at current ADP.

He was awful as a rookie just like I said.

Andre Brown has more points than Wilson right now

 

[lbouchard]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

Out of hand? What game were you watching?

The Giants were down by 6 points with 2 minutes left in the game and had the ball.

#2

You make a statement that is completely wrong, he corrects you, and you call him a hater.

You need to study up on turnover margins. It is only the most important statistic in football Cap'n Rolly LOL.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/23/4649718/college-football-turnover-margin-winning-percentage

http://12thmanrising.com/2012/05/29/the-enigma-of-turnovers-reprised/

I don't need to study up on turnover margins. I know that as turnover deficit increases, you tend to lose more. Go reread what I bolded. You said, and I quote, "That game was out of hand anyway." It clearly was not out of hand. The Giants had a chance to win the ballgame until the pick six off of Scott's hands. You said something incorrect as if it was fact. Someone called you out on it. You called him a hater.

 

[werdnoynek]

Per Schefter:

Giants and RB Brandon Jacobs reached agreement on a one-year deal.

Good news for Wilson owners IMO - Jacobs was done years ago and shouldn't keep Wilson off the field all that much.

 

[Mr. Nasty]

So how does the Jacobs signing affect the backfield?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Best thing Wilson could have hoped for.

 

[ponchsox]

Good, Jacobs is no real threat to Wison's value

 

[werdnoynek]

So how does the Jacobs signing affect the backfield?

It doesn't change much... Jacobs will probably be a goal line guy to start with and maybe get some CoP work while Wilson handles the majority of the load later on. Barring incurable fumblitis, I think Wilson owners should be extremely happy. Jacobs was never a guy who would carry the load even in his prime. If it was McGahee coming in I'd be a bit more concerned but Jacobs isn't going to eat too much into Wilson's workload.

Not to mention it will be good to have a veteran like Jacobs on the team, not that he's the greatest role model, but they didn't have a veteran to start the season.

 

[RUSF18]

Jacobs is marginally better than me right now so I am ecstatic as a Wilson owner.

edit: What the hell must be wrong with McGahee?

 

[munygon2]

I don't like it for goal line opps, but maybe Wilson will work even harder to break off long touchdown runs.

 

[Clifford]

Best thing Wilson could have hoped for.

3 fumbles in 152 attempts in 2012.

 

[werdnoynek]

Jacobs is marginally better than me right now so I am ecstatic as a Wilson owner.

edit: What the hell must be wrong with McGahee?

Damn good question... out of shape perhaps?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

I got family at home and I got a fast ### car being delivered on Tuesday.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Good, Jacobs is no real threat to Wison's value

Jacobs may not be a good runner/catcher but hes great pass pro, thats going to keep him on the field a little bit

 

[Yenrub]

To me brining in Jacobs indicates that the pass protection is a bigger issue than the fumbling (not that the fumbling isn’t an issue but they can probably work to fix the fumbling). Jacobs was pretty good at the blitz pick up (see Super Bowl winning catch by Plaxico) he is a big guy and isn’t afraid to step into the defender (which is what Coughlin has been wanting to see from Wilson).

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

i might have to start him once again this week.. man is my team bad

Your team isn't bad. There's like 25 RBs at most that are worth a flip. In a 12 team league you are lucky to get 2 good ones and 3 is typically a luxury that can win you your league. All the signs were there a week ago for a massive season for Wilson.

Trot him out there, sport.

 

[Yenrub]

Jacobs is marginally better than me right now so I am ecstatic as a Wilson owner.

edit: What the hell must be wrong with McGahee?

Damn good question... out of shape perhaps?

Jacobs knows the offense so there is no learning curve

 

[Touchdown There]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

Out of hand? What game were you watching?The Giants were down by 6 points with 2 minutes left in the game and had the ball.

#2

You make a statement that is completely wrong, he corrects you, and you call him a hater.

You need to study up on turnover margins. It is only the most important statistic in football Cap'n Rolly LOL.http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/23/4649718/college-football-turnover-margin-winning-percentage

http://12thmanrising.com/2012/05/29/the-enigma-of-turnovers-reprised/

I don't need to study up on turnover margins. I know that as turnover deficit increases, you tend to lose more. Go reread what I bolded. You said, and I quote, "That game was out of hand anyway." It clearly was not out of hand. The Giants had a chance to win the ballgame until the pick six off of Scott's hands. You said something incorrect as if it was fact. Someone called you out on it. You called him a hater.

You still don't get it.

 

[Hybrid]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

Out of hand? What game were you watching?The Giants were down by 6 points with 2 minutes left in the game and had the ball.

#2

You make a statement that is completely wrong, he corrects you, and you call him a hater.

You need to study up on turnover margins. It is only the most important statistic in football Cap'n Rolly LOL.http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/23/4649718/college-football-turnover-margin-winning-percentagehttp://12thmanrising.com/2012/05/29/the-enigma-of-turnovers-reprised/

I don't need to study up on turnover margins. I know that as turnover deficit increases, you tend to lose more. Go reread what I bolded. You said, and I quote, "That game was out of hand anyway." It clearly was not out of hand. The Giants had a chance to win the ballgame until the pick six off of Scott's hands. You said something incorrect as if it was fact. Someone called you out on it. You called him a hater.

You still don't get it.

I don't get it either. Care to explain?

 

[massraider]

You know Wilsons gonna tear off a 60 yarder this week to make this thread truly fantastic/awful, right?

 

[Eminence]

You guys are really funny... man. People just ignore history on these forums in favor of what they know now as if it never happened. Peterson never had fumbling issues and never had pass blocking issues. The fact that they actually existed is clearly arbitrary because they don't exist now. Never mind the fact that those issues existed for several of his early seasons and he got past them because the coaching staff allowed him the time to develop and get past them. The "arbitrary wall of test I found" is from Scout.com whom if I recall gets their information from prior NFL.com pre-draft profiles.

Go find the old ADP threads from before the start of the 2007 season. They were about as big as this Wilson thread and just as many people were saying stuff about his fumbling getting him in trouble and he was clearly to injury prone to be a NFL success etc. etc.

The simple fact is WE-DON'T-KNOW how young players will turn out until they turn out that way. Wilson has all the talent in the world to end his career considered one of this generations best RBs. He has some problems him and the Giants coaches need to work through though. But to sit here and say that they were a better team when he left the field on Sunday and that he was the reason they were losing is ridiculous. Cause I guess you're just ignoring Eli's INT on the first play of the game or his INT at mid-field or the other one that was a pick 6 returned for a TD.

For some reason people in this thread just want to ignore certain facts to form their opinion that it's already time to throw in the towel on Wilson. It's completely ridiculous and honestly, I wish you guys were in my dynasty leagues cause all of my dynasty owners won't even sell him for what would have been considered a decent trade before Sunday's debacle. You're all over-reacting.

Huh? Ignore what history? I've been saying Wilson was gonna bust the entire off-season.

Wilson and Peterson's situations are completely different and I don't think YOU understand History. Peterson was already proven to be a stud Running Back, someone who could literally take control of games and use individual effort to pick up yards when his fumbling issues arose. All Wilson has shown is the ability to create long plays similar to Jerious Norwood or Leon Washington, based on speed alone.

The only thing these two have in common is fumbling issues. I don't care what scout.com says, use your own personal judgement and more imporantly common sense when it comes to player evaluation.

Take that to the bank brohan.

Fine to dog on Wilson, but don't be ripping off SWC's schtick.

Sorry, I'm just a big fan.

 

[drake_ovo]

wilson is a must add and must start until further notice.

 

[Eminence]

wilson is a must add and must start until further notice.

Against Denver who held Ray Rice to 3.0YPC? Yeah, ok.

 

[drake_ovo]

wilson is a must add and must start until further notice.

Against Denver who held Ray Rice to 3.0YPC? Yeah, ok.

espn projects him 14 points though. do u have rankings and projections?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I don't know if this has already been posted, but just saw this note from FFChamps on MFL:

Giants coach Tom Coughlin stressed that David Wilson will continue to be a factor in the offense, according to the NY Daily News. "David Wilson's a very talented young man that we need on our football team to be productive," Coughlin said. "We've been down this road before. We think we can have an impact on him being a better ball-carrier."

 

[Art_VanDalay]

Gmen only had about 500k under cap and Jacobs came at league min. Plus he know their offense live terminology, and more importantly, he is coming in to try and help mentor the kid not take his job. Gmen simply can't afford a guy like McGahee who probably won't play for the minimum anyway. This will help Wilson.

 

[Art_VanDalay]

Gmen only had about 500k under cap and Jacobs came at league min. Plus he knows their offense live terminology, and more importantly, he is coming in to try and help mentor the kid not take his job. Gmen simply can't afford a guy like McGahee who probably won't play for the minimum anyway. This will help Wilson.

 

[cstu]

You know Wilsons gonna tear off a 60 yarder this week to make this thread truly fantastic/awful, right?

I predict he fumbles his first carry of the game, gets benched so everyone comes in here to say I told you so. Then he comes back in the 2nd half to score two 60 yard TD's.

 

[Eminence]

wilson is a must add and must start until further notice.

Against Denver who held Ray Rice to 3.0YPC? Yeah, ok.

espn projects him 14 points though. do u have rankings and projections?

Not really, I can see 60 yards +/-10 as his ceiling. This is the Manning bowl.

We know Broncos are going to score, the question will be if Eli can keep up with his older brother.

Having Eli stay upright is going to be the key to staying competitive. You can scheme against Wilson and take him out of a game, imo.

Honestly as a defender, I'd be excited for a chance to overpower Wilson and put Manning on the turf.

 

[msudaisy26]

You know Wilsons gonna tear off a 60 yarder this week to make this thread truly fantastic/awful, right?

I predict he fumbles his first carry of the game, gets benched so everyone comes in here to say I told you so. Then he comes back in the 2nd half to score two 60 yard TD's, and then kicks Coughlin in the nuts for benching him last year and says I TOLD YOU SO.

Fixed

 

[Eminence]

He's a 10 - 12 carry COP RB in my eyes. You'll have plays designed for him. But until he proves to be a 3 down back, you can't realistically expect him to be a major part of the Offense.

 

[Eminence]

Let him return kicks fulltime, he's pretty good at that.

 

[massraider]

You know Wilsons gonna tear off a 60 yarder this week to make this thread truly fantastic/awful, right?

I predict he fumbles his first carry of the game, gets benched so everyone comes in here to say I told you so. Then he comes back in the 2nd half to score two 60 yard TD's.

That would be awesome.

 

[ShaHBucks]

You know Wilsons gonna tear off a 60 yarder this week to make this thread truly fantastic/awful, right?

I predict he fumbles his first carry of the game, gets benched so everyone comes in here to say I told you so. Then he comes back in the 2nd half to score two 60 yard TD's.

I still wouldn't eat crow

 

[ponchsox]

I'm going out on a limb and predicting Wilson will score more than -2 fantasy points this week.

 

[monk]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

Agreed ... This is the NFL. If coaches have to worry about hurting someones feeling they dont belong there.

It's not about not hurting his feelings, it's about instilling confidence in a young kid with an extreme talent. As someone else mentioned in this thread. Adrian Peterson had TONS of fumbling issues early in his career and there was never this kind of frenzy around his fumbling issues. Peterson had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons in the NFL and he's had 6 in his four seasons since. People just need to relax on this entire situation and really take a step back and breath. Everyone is jumping the gun here assuming that Coughlin's just going to bench the kid if he fumbles again all season. It's not going to happen. Like Coughlin has said multiple times since the Sunday night game. THEY NEED HIM.

He didn't get over his fumbling issues by being benched to "team him a lesson" he got over them through coaching and just giving him the opportunity to succeed over and over again.

Stop comparing him to Peterson ...Peterson was a once in a decade talent

Started from game 1 of his rookie season, broke the single game rushing record as a rookie ...he was already established before he had fumbling issues and he never had a problem with pass protection

Umm... no? It's a perfectly reasonable comparison. And you're also completely wrong about his not having a pass protection problem. Here's his 2007 draft profile.

2007 Predraft Analysis: Three-year starter at Oklahoma who rushed 747 times for 4,306 yards and 41 touchdowns …Had his best rushing season as a true freshman (339-2,040-15) …Missed time in each of his three years – suffering a shoulder injury in 2004, a high ankle sprain in 2005 and a broken collarbone in 2006 … Finished second in the Heisman Trophy balloting as a sophomore … Was a frontrunner for the Heisman before breaking his collarbone … Refuses to go down easily and is willing to fight to break tackles … Is rarely straightened up on first contact and usually picks up at least a couple of yards after the first hit … Has very good speed and can bounce runs to the outside, although his bread and butter is up the middle … Has little experience as a pass blocker or receiver because of the system he played in … Injury history has to be a concern, but none of them have been structural injuries to his knees or feet … Has thin lower body that could use more muscle … Takes a lot of hits, many times because he initiates them … Earned his bone at the Combine, running a 4.40 40 (tied for best among RBs), with a 38½ inch vertical jump (second) and a 10-7 broad jump (tied for first).

Peterson had next to no experience in pass blocking coming into the NFL and had major fumbling issues as well. And they were fixed. Saying "Stop comparing him to Peterson, Peterson was a once in a decade talent" is ridiculous. I'm in no way saying he is Adrian Peterson. But... Peterson had just as many issues with pass blocking and just as many if not more issues with fumbling. We evaluate players by comparing them to other players... that's part of the evaluation process. Wilson just like Peterson is immensely talented, has ball security issues and pass blocking issues. Whether Wilson puts it all together or not remains yet to be seen. But ignoring the fact that Peterson had all these issues is a crock and one of those "hindsight is 20/20" type of things. Just because we now consider Peterson one of the best RBs of all time doesn't mean there weren't tons of questions surrounding him coming into the NFL. In 3 years David Wilson might be a journeyman backup in the NFl... or he might be in that conversation as one of the greats of this generation. We don't know how the story will unfold right now but people in this thread are making egregious conclusions that are literally the complete opposite of everything the coaching staff is saying and showing.

There is not a word in that analysis about Peterson having problems as a pass blocker or fumbling issues.

He started every game as a rookie until he got injured, He went his first 6 games without losing a fumble, lost his 1st fumle game 7 when he broke the single game rushing record and had 3 tds (so I think that got over looked) ... overall he only lost 3 fumbles his rookie year ...not bad at all

So in other words ... It's a terrible comparison ...let it go.

 

[flapgreen]

Hate that I paid for this turd. Going to the bench.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Da'Rel Scott is still the play....