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Acquired Wilson yesterday via a trade. Gave up Dwayne Bowe for him. Time will tell .....
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***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)
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Welcome to this crazy thread! Good deal for you IMHO...
Ladanian Tomlinson has said some interesting things on NFL Radio this morning. In summary:
1. He thinks David Wilson is a star in the making
2. He's not happy with the way the coaches are making him carry the ball
As uncontroversial as those two statements may sound; they're actually pretty strong things to say given that they came out of his own head without prodding or being led by a caller.
LinusMarr
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Khy
Footballguy
I've been hearing this a ton from every professional fantasy writer and radio/nfl talk show hosts. I'm still standing by my comment that it isn't Coughlin's problem right now and it's infact Gilbride's problem. The offense runs through Gilbride and I highly doubt this is a situation where Tom's saying "I don't want him out there that much". I feel like this is just classic Kevin Gilbride doing incredibly questionable things with this offense. I sometimes wonder if this group of guys had a better offensive coordinator if this team may have won more Super Bowl's over the past 7 seasons.
Khy
Footballguy
That's the thing with Wilson right now. If you have a clearly better option you start them over him. But if your options are something like... Ridley or Wilson? I'm starting Wilson. Ridley at best is probably worth 75 yards and a TD. Wilson in any given week can just explode and I'll be kicking myself if he's on my bench. It's bad enough the last two weeks I've sat Tavon Austin in Week 2 and Antonio Brown in Week 3 for over thinking a players and teams effectiveness. Wilson will be in my lineup and I'll ride the tide or drown with him this week. Cause if he goes off like Brown or Austin did and is on my bench I'll probably flip tables and break things.you could do worse. He probably has better than a 50/50 chance of a score.forced to start him this week
steveski
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If that TD didn't get called back last week he would have scored 11.6 points last week. The time is coming for him, I'm just not sure it's this week or the next week. I really wish he wasn't going up against the Chiefs or else I'd be starting him with confidence. I'm tempted to wait this week out and play Bolden in my flex instead. I would not be surprised if this is the week where the magic happens though.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
ive done a 180, i think he might be ok based on last weeks snap count...
Khy
Footballguy
You can EASILY make an argument that the Chiefs are the easiest rushing defense the Giants have faced this entire season. Lets look at the breakdown so far.
Week 1: Dallas Cowboys
- Week 1 - NYG (32nd): Allowed 50 rushing yards
- Week 2 - KC (11th): Allowed 114 rushing yards
- Week 3 - STL (29th): Allowed 35 rushing yards
- Averaged: 66.3ypg (2nd overall in the NFL)
- Week 1 - BAL (25th): Allowed 58 rushing yards
- Week 2 - NYG (32nd): Allowed 23 rushing yards
- Week 3 - OAK (3rd): Allowed 49 rushing yards
- Averaged: 43.3ypg (1st overall in the NFL)
- Week 1 - SEA (8th): Allowed 70 rushing yards
- Week 2 - BUF (5th): Allowed 149 rushing yards
- Week 3 - NYG (32nd): Allowed 60 rushing yards
- Averaged: 93.0ypg (10th overall in the NFL)
- Week 1: JAX (30th): Allowed 71 rushing yards
- Week 2: DAL (15th): Allowed 37 rushing yards
- Week 3: PHI (1st): Allowed 264 rushing yards
- Averaged: 124.0ypg (25th overall in the NFL)
They've shut down MJD who was a 3rd round pick at best and has done absolutely nothing all season. They shut down DeMarco Murray who had a good game this past week against the Rams, but the Rams defense (while being ranked 16th with 105ypg) is worse than it looks on paper. They have yet to face a real rushing team, they've played Arizona and Atlanta who rank at the bottom in of the NFL at 22 and 23 overall in rushing yards per game. Also you cannot count out the fact that the Cowboys abandoned the run vs the Chiefs and Murray only saw a limited amount of carries.
I'd take a bet that the Chiefs are little more vulnerable than the other teams they've played so far. In fact, Carolina was CLEARLY the best run defense they've played all year, it also happened to be Wilson's best game all year. Which should show signs for optimism. Carolina has shut down the 8th and 5th top ranked rushing defenses this season. Which really means that those other rushing offenses have torched the teams they played not named Carolina.
I won't say I'm starting him with confidence but as long as this game doesn't get away from the Giants like the Carolina game did? I think he's a high upside RB2 play this week.
You talked me into it.
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
I was offered Lynch for Wilson in one if my PPR dynasty leagues and I passed.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That would be a tough one for me, if he had Micheal to add to the package I would do it no doubt.
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that is sort of what I was thinking but I'm in 3 redrafts
I drafted him in 1 and I'm 2-1 and holding
I'm 2-1 in another and just traded for him
I'm 3-0 in another and a 0-3 team with a typiccally smart owner just traded for him
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Hated to do it but needed the wins now as I have a contending team.
Khy
Footballguy
Not sure, I'm 0-3 in my one redraft and you'd have to offer me a real offer right now to get Wilson. I'm also 2-4 in my one dynasty league (we play two games a week) and I bought him in that league. If I had another redraft I was 0-3 in I'd still be buying him tbh. 0-3 doesn't spell the end of a season, I'm not in a single redraft right now where there's a 3-0 owner. So at 0-3 I'm 2 games out with 10 weeks left, I'll take the hail mary pass on Wilson rounding out to RB1 value we thought he'd be. Rather than trade him for the likes of Jacquizz and Snelling or DMac and doom my season to mediocrity.
I'd take that if I felt it'd put me in win now mode. If I'm 0-3 though I'd pass. If I'm 3-0 though, I'd have to say that'd be a decent deal as it puts you in better position for back to back championships.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Anyone starting Wilson "with confidence" or considering him a "RB2 with upside" right now is absolutely seeing what they want to see and totally ignoring reality. As a team the Giants are rushing for under 50 yards / game, at 2.7 YPC, with one TD on the year. Wilson is getting zero use in the passing game. He's not the goal line guy. He should be benched for literally anyone with a pulse at this point. I'd definitely hold in dynasty, but in redrafts it's time to take what you can get IMO.
what was his snap percentage ranking last week? If it stays the same, where does that put him given that the snaps he doesnt get are at GL?
Do you think that snap number goes up, down or stays the same this week? Hint: It's not going down.
When you add it all up, he is a legit starter in my 16 team league. He is a ?-mark in a 12 team league, and he is on the bench in a 10-team league.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
KC is a good team and NY is pretty likely to be playing from behind again this week -- if they're throwing then Scott is in there. And even if it's close the line / ground game is such a mess that it probably just doesn't matter. What's Wilson's realistic upside this week given what's gone in in NY this year? 60 - 70 yards rushing with a slight chance of a TD? Unless that 16 teamer requires 3 starting RBs, or you're absolutely killed with injuries / byes, Wilson should be glued to your bench.
The thing is, we have reached a point to where the RB2 landscape is so bleak that you both could be right. I'm not confident in a lot of RB2s.
And if you don't see the upside I think you are also seeing what you want to see
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
Even in a 16 team league it is hard to say he is a "legit" starter. I will be honest, I played against him last week in a 16 team league and I double checked the starting lineups at kickoff (something I RARELY care enough to monitor) just because all week I was thinking "this guy isn't really going to start David Wilson is he?" I mean, I know the expectation was high, but ¼ of the ff season is done. THe trend is not so good for now. We may even be singing a different tune a month from now but we have seen that the Giants are a mess currently.
Khy
Footballguy
I wouldn't be so sure on that one to be honest... Scott blew multiple pass blocking assignments last weekend. Which is what led to Wilson being out there more in the late game when they were down by a considerable margin. Coughlin and Gilbride won't miss that when they go into the film room this week. And from what we've seen Wilson has seen vast improvements in his protection. Wilson had 25 snaps to Scott's 21 and Jacob's 7. I wouldn't be surprised if that looks more like 35, 11, 7 this weekend regardless of the score and situation in the game.
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Zegura has all these guys in front of him
26 Jackson, Fred BUF
(vs BAL) 27 Ridley, Stevan NE (at ATL) 28 Woodhead, Danny SD (vs DAL) 29 Moreno, Knowshon DEN (vs PHI) 30 Thomas, Pierre NO (vs MIA) 31 Pead, Isaiah STL
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
i look at him a bit like cjk2, wont get the goalline, boom or bust, only thing missing now are the 20+ touches
but they need his talent..
with rice possibly starting i will have to move pierce back to my bench and maybe take a flyer again on wilson...
but they need his talent..
with rice possibly starting i will have to move pierce back to my bench and maybe take a flyer again on wilson...
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You've obviously seen far more of NY than I have this year, and generally seem to know what you're talking about, but IMO you're not looking at Wilson or the Giants realistically at all. 44 yards with .33 TDs a game at 2.7 YPC is something I'd want zero part of, even if Wilson was a lock to play close to 100% of the snaps. I feel your pain as a Steelers' homer -- but I'm not going to pencil in any of their RBs as a FF starter anytime soon either. Bad o-line play is a stone cold RB killer.
CariocaSean
Footballguy
Do the Giants end the year with 700 total rushing yards?
I think you know the answer.
I wouldn't have any confidence starting Wilson, but things can only get better. This team could still find some rhythm at some point. Not much you could get for Wilson anyway, so why not hold?
a starting RB that just needs one play to make a fantasy day has zero upside?
I'm a KISS type and I just don't buy it. it's not like he all of a sudden isn't a homerun hitter.
Khy
Footballguy
It's not a 'bad o-line' so much as it is an injured one.
David Baas © was in his second game back from a sprained MCL which could effect some of his mobility still if he's not quite 100%.
Chris Snee (RG) had an MRI done on Monday (results haven't been posted anywhere I can find) to his hip which was surgically repaired this offseason which leads me to believe something isn't right there.
David Diehl (RT) is currently out with an injury,
Justin Pugh (RT) a rookie is starting over him and has been serviceable. Not great, not bad somewhere in the middle... showing promise for a rookie in his 3rd start. Looks better than Eric Fischer but that isn't saying much. Plus, Pugh's real position should be guard. If Snee's injury is serious, Diehl coming back to move Pugh to RG could be the best thing for this line.
Look, honestly... this is a unit that was considered a Top 3-5 Offensive Line last season and not much has changed. I've been calling it how I've seen it since after the first game. After week 2 I said the following:
So far, that's on par with what happened. I was correct about last week being a bad start... also correct about my estimated 10-12 carries for him (he got 11). That said, if Beatty doesn't hold on that run he bounced to the outside, we're talking about a line that says 11, 63, 1 TD at 5.72ypc and everyone is asking if he can finally hit for real this week. Look at that remaining schedule after this week... look at him seeing an increase in snaps... watch the game film, he looks good. He's not getting much running room but that will come as the line gets healthy and Pugh matures a little. Again, I'm plugging him in this week as I feel he and Ridley have the same floor of like 12 carries for 30 yards. But Wilson has that elite upside any week. Baring any set backs this week and assuming I'm correct in my assumption that he goes to 12-15 carries this week? I'm starting him with confidence in Week 5 against the Eagles.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Yeah, again, I like Wilson. He should turn things around moving forward. I don't like his or the Giants' chances of turning things around this week, on the road, in a very tough place to play, against the 3 - 0 Chiefs.
B-Deep
Footballguy
steveski
Footballguy
I didn't realize that they've each had the same amount of carries in their career. Thanks for the info!
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
all i meant by the comment was cj looks like he has lost the goalline carries thats all.
rb2/rb3 is a disaster this year..
wilson still got the most looks last week, and he has a ton of talent... yes he has lost the goalline for now, but he can score from anywhere..
the O has been putrid, but I do think they will keep wheeling him out there and his talent shoudl come thru at some point...
rb2/rb3 is a disaster this year..
wilson still got the most looks last week, and he has a ton of talent... yes he has lost the goalline for now, but he can score from anywhere..
the O has been putrid, but I do think they will keep wheeling him out there and his talent shoudl come thru at some point...
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
dude, let's worry about getting to the goal line first before we worry about who gets those carries.
Khy
Footballguy
Yeah, I think people are misunderstanding my "solid RB2 value" type of comment right now. Right now RB1 ranges from LeSean McCoy at RB1 with 66.4 (PPR) points through three games, to Doug Martin at RB12 with 38.7 points through three games. RB2 is from Bradshaw 38.30 RB13, all the way down to Frank Gore with 28.30 at RB24 through three games.
Literally, through 3 games. Guys like... James Starks, Arian Foster, Jason Snelling, Bernard Pierce have been "RB2's". It's been a HORRIBLE year at RB unless you own McCoy, Peterson, Charles or Forte. RB3 is even more ridiculous. RB3 starts at RB25 with Mendenhall with 27.90 points and goes to Ray Rice at RB36 with 22.10 points.
Wilson has the upside to go from almost zero points through three games... to being in the same range as our current RB2's in a single game.
Right now though? Top 10 guys like Ray Rice, CJ Spiller, Trent Richardson are in the same mix as guys like Ben Tate, Daniel Thomas, Andre Ellington, BenJarvus Green-Ellis. So to say that RB2 value isn't reasonable is ridiculous as "RB2 value" right now means about an average of about 9.5ppg. If you don't think David Wilson getting 12-15 touches has a reasonable potential for at least 9.5ppg I don't know what to tell you at this point.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Wooderson
Fight The Power
If you anyone is interested I just received Wilson in a trade.
David Wilson,
Cecil Shorts,
Vincent Brown,
for
Daniel Thomas,
Knowshon Moreno,
Julian Edelman,
I have 2 good starting RB's so I figured I would take the chance on Wilson.
David Wilson,
Cecil Shorts,
Vincent Brown,
for
Daniel Thomas,
Knowshon Moreno,
Julian Edelman,
I have 2 good starting RB's so I figured I would take the chance on Wilson.
Khy
Footballguy
This seems like a pretty amazing trade in your favor in my opinion. I basically view Vincent Brown and Thomas as washes. I'm looking at this as... David Wilson for Moreno and Shorts for Edelman both of which I think are good shots to give you more late season value than the player you gave up.
B-Deep
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
He helped take out terminators, 3 guys in the backfield should be no problem. Welcome back to the Wilson hype train. ALL ABOARD!!!
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