Rove!
Footballguy
For some reason that O Line was able to generate a decent amount of room Brandon Jacobs...Brandon freakin' Jacobs
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***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (2 Viewers)
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Exactly !!! We new that Wilson has an amazing TD per touch % and now it's even better!
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Today tells me...
1) They were going to rely on him.
2) He is going to get some carries inside the 10.
3) Jacobs fumbles as well just
As a FF player I don't care if the guy is good. All I care are the numbers that he puts up. He can put up 30 for 62 yards with 2 tds and I would love it.
Rove!
Footballguy
good point....the mooks here had me believin' there might be some hope for them this week....
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Rove!
Footballguy
Yes, because coaches love to give guys averaging less than 3 ypc, 30 carries every week....
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RenegadeGM
Footballguy
I'm not going to say things look great or even decent for Wilson at this point, but to point out his 6-16-1 line from today as if they were full game stats is just ridiculous.
He was on his way to an OK day today... maybe 70 yards or so with a TD already in the bank.
That said, the Giants are a mess, and Brown should step into a significant role as soon as he is eligible.
He was on his way to an OK day today... maybe 70 yards or so with a TD already in the bank.
That said, the Giants are a mess, and Brown should step into a significant role as soon as he is eligible.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
Next week. Next week is THE week. They cut Scott, so...next week.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
6/16 and 11/37, you should become an analyst - you could really make some easy cash with an analytical mind like that one.
az_prof
Footballguy
We knew coming into the season that Wilson had issues with fumbling and blocking and that he was under sized to be a featured back. We also THOUGHT he was an above average runner. So, far the negatives are still there but he really hasn't shown himself to be a great running back who can create without a good hole.
Avery
Footballguy
There is a vast difference between a "good hole" and having to break multiple tackles in the backfield on a regular basis.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
look at today's bears saints game.
bears lost, while having superior offensive stats. im sure Sean Payton is happy with 28 carries for 2.4 YPC and the win.
Bears - 18 carriers at 5.2 YPC
Saints - 28 carries at 2.4 YPC
same in the passing game, bears had 90 more passing yards.
each QB had a rating of 128(cutler) and 120(brees)
Avery
Footballguy
An early game injury and a terrible offensive line means the RB sucks. Spot on, in-depth analysis there...
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So we're ignoring his first 4 games now, too?
An early game injury and a terrible offensive line means the RB sucks. Spot on, in-depth analysis there...
Rove!
Footballguy
Again, the 32 year old has-been they grabbed off the street because no other team wanted him had a better day running the footbal behind that same O Line.
How is mentioning the O Line ignoring the first 4 games? They were terrible then, too.So we're ignoring his first 4 games now, too?
An early game injury and a terrible offensive line means the RB sucks. Spot on, in-depth analysis there...
Avery
Footballguy
You are absolutely fantastic and the way your drive forward with your shtick with such single-minded ferocity in the face of looking repetitively tiresome is truly impressive and shows great termination. Keep at it!
Rove!
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Most of you Wilson lovers are missing the point. It really doesn't matter how good or bad the guy is as an NFL RB at this point. It's abundantly clear that in FF terms any and all Giants' RBs are dog poop right now.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Of course there is, an average to below average back needs good holes, an Elite back like Wilson does not.
Avery
Footballguy
The imploding train-wreck - I'll trademark that - that is this Giants team makes it borderline impossible to evaluate any of their skill position players.
Anyone who doesn't see that, whether they are trumpeting Wilson's skills or comparing him the street FAs, simply doesn't understand the concept of "team sport".
Anyone who doesn't see that, whether they are trumpeting Wilson's skills or comparing him the street FAs, simply doesn't understand the concept of "team sport".
Rove!
Footballguy
Good point.
I mean every football analyst who has ever evaluated David Wilson has called him elite. He should surely get a higher ypc than Brandon Jacobs?
Avery
Footballguy
The same goes for those that are say that each game is more evidence that Wilson sucks. The team - the terrible offensive line play, bad throws by Eli and curious and predictable coaching and play calling - makes not only the position useless for fantasy purposes right now but the evaluation of the players at the position difficult to say the least.
Rove!
Footballguy
of course you didn'tI didn't start him - also totally irrelevant.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I'm convinced, if this thread has taught me anything it is that David Wilson is as good a blocker as Da'rel Scott and and a TD machine who despite having no O'line is still a great fantasy player.
My only question is does his one touchdown make him a sell high or a buy low?
This isn't how football works. Do you even watch the games or do you spend your time here trolling people instead? On 6 carries he got hit in the backfield at least 2 times on direct hand offs. I don't know how to break this to you, but you don't seem to understand much about football.
Avery
Footballguy
I'd ask what they were watching that lead them to being down on him. When he finally got meaningful touches in week 13, he averaged 5.72 YPC for the rest of the year.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Avery
Footballguy
I could be wrong, but aren't you the same guy who thought it was unimportant to discuss TDs when evaluating Jacobs vs Wilson today?
Aren't TDs an important part of fantasy football in most leagues?
Let me know when it's the right time to talk about a football player's overall skills vs pure stats although I suspect the right time for each is when it supports whatever point you're attempting to make.
Rove!
Footballguy
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
You got me. David Wilson is a fantastic stud who will never be fantasy relevant due to his team being trash.
I guess that is way better than me saying he is a average back who will never be fantasy relevant due to his team being trash.
Let me know if there is anything else I don't understand about football that doesn't change the fantasy results.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I've finally realized this is just a practice in futility; it's impossible to have this discussion with someone so willing to use whatever logical fallacy is needed in order to appear victorious in some kind of e-argument.
You're misrepresenting my claim, and then attempting to argue against it; nearly as asinine as this could possibly have become.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I always thought people were just whining too much when they said these forums were getting hard to read. I get it now.
I am a Wilson fan and owner, he has looked horrible this year. To say this is all his fault is stupid and short sighted. This team is a train wreck, and he hasn't helped either. Very few if any running backs would be doing well on this team. We still don't know what Wilson is or will be because the coaching is horrible, the quarterback is horrible, the o-line is horrible, the defense is horrible, even the receivers played horrible in spots.
It is tough to listen to all the whining on both sides of the Wilson fence though.
All the haters want to point to this stuff
He fumbles - Yes he does so does everyone else in the league, his fumbles were killers in the first game and he deserved to be pulled out of the game.
Look he put up 6 - 16 - No that isn't great at all in fact it is terrible, but he was hurt and couldn't finish the game. Have you seen the rest of the Giants backfield this year? Jacobs 11 - 37 in the same game. This is on the entire team, the line isn't blocking, the coaching staff has telegraphed their running plays, and Wilson, Scott, and Jacobs have also made mistakes running the ball.
I told you he was going to suck - Really? You predicted that the entire Giants team would be this bad? I doubt it. You got the right answer but it was pure luck, if you were so smart you wouldn't be proclaiming your genius on a free message board about fantasy football.
All the Wilson lovers
He has elite talent - How do you know? He has one really good game in the pros. We have no idea if he will be good or not, plenty of guys have had a ton of talent and just never figured it out.
It is all the teams fault - If he was that good he would help make the line better, not every time but sometimes, I have yet to see him do it this year. Cruz is that good and he still has done well even when the rest of the team hasn't.
I said it before I own Wilson and I liked what I seen from him in college. He was a first round pick for a reason but right now none of us have any idea whether he will make it or not, he has shown flashes of being great and he shown flashes of being a complete bust. No one predicted it would be this bad for him or the Giants, and until this team can even be below average we will have no idea what he will be.
I am a Wilson fan and owner, he has looked horrible this year. To say this is all his fault is stupid and short sighted. This team is a train wreck, and he hasn't helped either. Very few if any running backs would be doing well on this team. We still don't know what Wilson is or will be because the coaching is horrible, the quarterback is horrible, the o-line is horrible, the defense is horrible, even the receivers played horrible in spots.
It is tough to listen to all the whining on both sides of the Wilson fence though.
All the haters want to point to this stuff
He fumbles - Yes he does so does everyone else in the league, his fumbles were killers in the first game and he deserved to be pulled out of the game.
Look he put up 6 - 16 - No that isn't great at all in fact it is terrible, but he was hurt and couldn't finish the game. Have you seen the rest of the Giants backfield this year? Jacobs 11 - 37 in the same game. This is on the entire team, the line isn't blocking, the coaching staff has telegraphed their running plays, and Wilson, Scott, and Jacobs have also made mistakes running the ball.
I told you he was going to suck - Really? You predicted that the entire Giants team would be this bad? I doubt it. You got the right answer but it was pure luck, if you were so smart you wouldn't be proclaiming your genius on a free message board about fantasy football.
All the Wilson lovers
He has elite talent - How do you know? He has one really good game in the pros. We have no idea if he will be good or not, plenty of guys have had a ton of talent and just never figured it out.
It is all the teams fault - If he was that good he would help make the line better, not every time but sometimes, I have yet to see him do it this year. Cruz is that good and he still has done well even when the rest of the team hasn't.
I said it before I own Wilson and I liked what I seen from him in college. He was a first round pick for a reason but right now none of us have any idea whether he will make it or not, he has shown flashes of being great and he shown flashes of being a complete bust. No one predicted it would be this bad for him or the Giants, and until this team can even be below average we will have no idea what he will be.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Avery
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
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