Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Coughlin's old school. Bradshaw wont lose his role to injury. There wont be a bellcow anyway so the role is minimum 50% plus goal line for Bradshaw.
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***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (2 Viewers)
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He may be old school but he's not blind.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
He wouldn't start Fred Taylor over James Stewart until Stewart got injured for the season.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Wilson looked really good tonight. He fits great in the Giants offense.
eric rymer
Footballguy
anyone have any footage of his carries. I didn't get to catch it. Drafting in the morning an would love to see how he did with the 1's. TIA
steveski
Footballguy
Zaphod
Two heads are better than one
Couple of quick points1. That was quite a while ago - I think Coughlin has actually adapted since then and he isn't the same coach now.2. Stewart was a pretty darn good back in his own right.
steveski
Footballguy
I don't have any footage but I liked the way he ran. He has great balance and almost never went down after first contact. He caught the ball well. He is a much better runner than the Giants have had in quite a while. He works in well with the system as well because he's not just fast, he's powerful so he could be a work horse and not just a feature back. I didn't really see any issue with this, but his biggest knock is pass blocking. If he can get that mastered then I think Wilson is without a doubt the Giants workhorse for the foreseeable future. At his current ADP, buy now!
eric rymer
Footballguy
Thanks for the info. It's really what I thought would happen to night. Traded my way into the 1.2 and 1.3 and really thinking about pulling the trigger on him and tonight's game might just have confirmed my original thoughts.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Wilson looked phenomenal tonight. Bradshaw has never really impressed me. Fumbles more than he should, gets hurt a lot (I know he plays though it too) and literally has bad feet. He's made the most of his opportunities but Wilson is clearly the more gifted athlete. Wilson is AP to Bradshaw's Chester Taylor. Me thinks Wilson takes the job sooner than later.
netnalp
Footballguy
With how Wilson is playing, I expect that it will be like when Jacobs was here. Bradshaw gets most of the carries on the first series and Wilson will get most on the next. Bradshaw will probably have most of the 3rd down duties. Ware probably stays as the 3rd RB and gets about 40 touches for the season if there isn't a major injury.
12punch
Footballguy
highlights are uphttp://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000054657/Bears-vs-Giants-highlights
netnalp
Footballguy
That showed his longest ones.He ended up with 5/49 rushing and 2/26 receiving.
Domination
Footballguy
Has he moved in front of Martin ?
zamboni
Footballguy
As of now, I would say no since Martin looks like he is going to be the guy from the get-go. Wilson needs more to happen, including convincing team brass he can protect Manning, as well as a Bradshaw injury or underperformance. Not to say Wilson won't be the more valuable guy when all is said and done, but if you're in a redraft, Martin seems to be a much safer bet. Keeper/dynasty, I think it's closer to a push.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
I don't think he's moved in front of Martin, but he has become a must draft back..
Bradshaw is still 1a, but he has a strong history of injury problems, including this preseason, so Wilson could be the guy at some point...
He ran hard and the offense flowing thru him for awhile...
An excellent later rd sleeper..l for those asleep..
For those awake.. Grab him right after the bjge, and d brown picks...
Bradshaw is still 1a, but he has a strong history of injury problems, including this preseason, so Wilson could be the guy at some point...
He ran hard and the offense flowing thru him for awhile...
An excellent later rd sleeper..l for those asleep..
For those awake.. Grab him right after the bjge, and d brown picks...
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Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Keep an eye on JMPASQ twitter. He has been cutting up game film of players
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I sure hope so. Wilson kind of reminds me of Chris Johnson's rookie campaign. Coming onto a good team with a very good coach and a veteran in front of him. And I think he rushes for 900-1000
Avery
Footballguy
First time I had to watch him at all.He runs stronger and angrier than I expected.
rocketsauce
Footballguy
He looked f'n brilliant. I'd been sliding him down my rankings with Danny Ware looking like he was locked in as the #2. I'm thinking that just ended last night. Wilson is back on as a mid-round RB target with huge upside considering Bradshaw's frail body. Man he looked good hitting those holes and bouncing off defenders. He grabbed 9 PPR points in 4 plays in about 3 minutes!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I grabbed him at the 7.10, 2nd RB on my team best ball format (.5PPR). He won't be my "RB2" but part of a platoon to fill the spot out.
netnalp
Footballguy
Catch Wilson's runs while their still up on youtube.
David Wilson vs. Bears #1s
:26 Run, Gumble says "Barry Sanders would have been proud." It's a great run but where Wilson starts side stepping I believe Barry would spin and take it to the house.
David Wilson vs. Bears #1s
:26 Run, Gumble says "Barry Sanders would have been proud." It's a great run but where Wilson starts side stepping I believe Barry would spin and take it to the house.
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netnalp
Footballguy
Doesn't part of you feel a little dirty?
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Giddy with the possibilities.He's still far from a sure thing.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
To be frank, I think it's inevitable that he's going to be a fantasy stud on the Giants, regardless if that happens this year or next year. The only bad thing about him I'll say is that what makes him great, his willingness to take on and break tackles, is likely to make him more injury prone than your average back; he reminds me of Adrian Peterson in that way.
chiefs2929
Footballguy
Wow he is an absolute beast in the above highlight video. He really explodes through the gaps 
Does he have a lot of talent. Sure.
I saw quite a lot of bad tackling by the Bears though. I'd buy him in Dynasty to stash, but only a 9-11 Round Flex option in redraft.
Bears played horrible for the most part, which is something that should be noted if people are basing how great this guy is off that game.
I saw quite a lot of bad tackling by the Bears though. I'd buy him in Dynasty to stash, but only a 9-11 Round Flex option in redraft.
Bears played horrible for the most part, which is something that should be noted if people are basing how great this guy is off that game.
Urlacher was out but you can't ignore the gobs of yardage this guy was able to pickup. Being a Bears homer, we routinely get gouged by Jahvid Best and Adrian Peterson. This guy is in the same mold, so us being torched was no surprised.Really think this kid has something. If he can put on some weight, watch out.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Wilson broke tackles throughout college and in both prior preseason games, this isn't something new that's specific to this game against the Bears.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Is it Ok to appreciate both of these posts? I do think Symbius makes a point, also feel TK has a good solid answer...college and pro though are different and you don't need me to tell you that. I liked both of these points and I still like WIlson a lot.'Time Kibitzer said:
AngryGorilla
Footballguy
Got him in the 9th last night ... choo choo
I own Wilson in 3 or 4 of my dynasty leagues but it is still just the preseason. We need to wait until it counts. Remember how good Spiller looked his rookie year in the preseason, and until the last 6 games last year (his second season) he looked like a complete bust
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Papa Georgio
Footballguy
I had to watch the guy since the numbers looked great and there is so much hype here. I certainly do not know more than anyone but here is what I saw and take it for whatever you want.
Great burst, vision and balance. I don't think he runs so much with power from strength but because he has a lot of momentum quickly and that burst also causes some bad angles.
His first big run he had no contact until he was about 8 yards down field and a guy lunges at him and tries to chest bump him down. Wilson bounces off and picks up additional yardage. Nice balance the impressive part of this run is the last 5 yards where he redirects makes a guy miss then gets low.
His 2nd big run that went off the left side, I at 1st thought it was very impressive. It looked like he powered between 2 defenders and broke tackles. When they showed a replay from the other side of the field I was less impressed. One defender was actually blocked and another one dove at his feet. Wilson spun through the hole which I think also made it more stylish.
His recepetion to the left side looked more like bad defense to me than special play making. A D tackle dropped back into coverage and looked turned around. I do think his burst probably got him a few extra yards that some backs wouldn't have picked up.
These 3 plays were probably 95% of his production. He certainly has a wow factor when you see him get going. I think he will be an excellent RB in the NFL. He also will be a guy that picks up chunks of yardage. His numbers against Chicago make him look like the next elite RB but for me I saw a guy that might be very very good but I want to see more. I get a feeling that his stat line will look like 1,1,2,-2,34,1,2,3,22. If you're a Giants fan you have to love what he brings to the running game.
Certainly worthy of being taken in the top 5 of a rookie draft and would be one of my favorite RB3 to get because he just might be THAT good and you have a high RB2.
Just sharing what I saw but I once thought Napoleon Kaufman was going to be the next great RB too, so take it with a grain of salt.
Great burst, vision and balance. I don't think he runs so much with power from strength but because he has a lot of momentum quickly and that burst also causes some bad angles.
His first big run he had no contact until he was about 8 yards down field and a guy lunges at him and tries to chest bump him down. Wilson bounces off and picks up additional yardage. Nice balance the impressive part of this run is the last 5 yards where he redirects makes a guy miss then gets low.
His 2nd big run that went off the left side, I at 1st thought it was very impressive. It looked like he powered between 2 defenders and broke tackles. When they showed a replay from the other side of the field I was less impressed. One defender was actually blocked and another one dove at his feet. Wilson spun through the hole which I think also made it more stylish.
His recepetion to the left side looked more like bad defense to me than special play making. A D tackle dropped back into coverage and looked turned around. I do think his burst probably got him a few extra yards that some backs wouldn't have picked up.
These 3 plays were probably 95% of his production. He certainly has a wow factor when you see him get going. I think he will be an excellent RB in the NFL. He also will be a guy that picks up chunks of yardage. His numbers against Chicago make him look like the next elite RB but for me I saw a guy that might be very very good but I want to see more. I get a feeling that his stat line will look like 1,1,2,-2,34,1,2,3,22. If you're a Giants fan you have to love what he brings to the running game.
Certainly worthy of being taken in the top 5 of a rookie draft and would be one of my favorite RB3 to get because he just might be THAT good and you have a high RB2.
Just sharing what I saw but I once thought Napoleon Kaufman was going to be the next great RB too, so take it with a grain of salt.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Who was it that said that he wasn't impressed with Wilson because he ran through giant holes? I just caught the game after recording a second airing on my DVR. The two biggest runs were pitch outs and well around the outside of the line, so unless they start playing football with 50 starters on each team, 45 of which are linemen, the holes he ran through for his biggest gains were 20 yards wide. That's by design. What's so impressive about that is that the LB's in the pros usually make contact with the RB in the backfield, but this guy is so fast he books up the sideline untouched.
And his first run was through the thinnest of gaps where he was touched by about 3 defenders, all of which wrapped him up to some degree and he basically kept pushing and falling forward for a nice 5 yard gain out of nothing.
If he keeps playing like that, they won't need to worry about his pass blocking skills as they won't be in many 3rd and longs...
And his first run was through the thinnest of gaps where he was touched by about 3 defenders, all of which wrapped him up to some degree and he basically kept pushing and falling forward for a nice 5 yard gain out of nothing.
If he keeps playing like that, they won't need to worry about his pass blocking skills as they won't be in many 3rd and longs...
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
He reminds me a lot of Robert Smith.
Has speed and skills (in that order). If he gets into the open, he's going to be dangerous. With Nicks and Cruz spreading the field, I think he finds room. Wilson is slippery. He is more suited to this offense than a big back like Bradshaw (although you still need a back like that for bad weather in New York).
Having said that, the negatives of being built like Robert Smith: That means (to me) he is most likely not going to be able to handle 220+ carries in a season and he is probably not a goal line back. So upside seems somewhat limited.
Has speed and skills (in that order). If he gets into the open, he's going to be dangerous. With Nicks and Cruz spreading the field, I think he finds room. Wilson is slippery. He is more suited to this offense than a big back like Bradshaw (although you still need a back like that for bad weather in New York).
Having said that, the negatives of being built like Robert Smith: That means (to me) he is most likely not going to be able to handle 220+ carries in a season and he is probably not a goal line back. So upside seems somewhat limited.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Got him last night at the end of the 12th in a 10 team ppr.. count me in!
netnalp
Footballguy
He's also built like Thurman Thomas and Tiki Barber. There's been numerous RBs that have been about 5'10" 205 lbs and they range from busts to HoF RBs. He's an average sized RB, not small not big.He finished the college 2011 season with 1,709 rushing yards on 290 carries. The only knock on him was a low TD total for that many yards. He had a running QB that vultured many TDs.The weather in NY? The wind doesn't appear to be much of a factor. QB's that have played in the old, windy Giants stadium had nearly identical stat averages away from the Meadowlands. Snow, there aren't that many snow games in the NFL. Even less often is for a team to play more than one snow game in a season. The most recent was the 2003 Pats with 2 snow games that season.Bradshaw has only played 16 games once. He still runs on the outside of his feet. The Giants can't trust that his feet will hold up all season so he'll have to share the workload. It makes more sense to speculate that Bradshaw will share carries than to speculate that Wilson can't hold up.
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Agreed.The kid has a ton of potential but barring an injury to Bradshaw, penciling him into your starting lineup will probably have to wait til next year. I suppose you can put him in your flex spot (at best) and hope for that home run play, but with the depth at WR this year I think you're better off going that route.Having a rookie RB come in and take over isn't really Coughlin's style. The Giants OL isn't very good so their number 1 priority is to keep Eli upright. By all accounts, Wilson hasn't picked up the playbook all that well:'GordonGekko said:
Strong potential but it looks like he'll be taking AB's role, more than likely, next year.
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netnalp
Footballguy
Andre Brown had 4 carries for 0 yards with that same line. It wasn't till the 3rd quarter that he had 2 carries for 3 yards.Ware had went 1/4.
netnalp
Footballguy
I don't agree with the "hasn't picked up the playbook all that well". It would be more accurate, that Wilson, being a rookie is in the process of learning the playbook.The "accounts" of this came from one line in a Mike Garafolo article about DJ Ware. It wasn't a quote of a team source. People have speculated that coaches are disappointed in Wilson's grasp of the playbook. There's no evidence of that, no coaches have been quoted as saying such. He's a rookie, he's learning the playbook, the same can be said of Luck, RGIII, Martin, Richardson, and all the other rookies.
I agree I should have rephrased it to the effect that he's a rookie and that it's understandably taking him time to learn the playbook. Having said that, it still stands to reason that it's going to take him some time to become a good blocker. And with the Giants woes with the OL, that is a pretty big factor imo.The difference between Luck, RGIII, Richardson and Martin is that they are all clear starters at this point with no real competition to speak of and as a result, will be thrown into the fire right away. The same can't be said about Wilson. His time will come, but imo that time will be next year.
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netnalp
Footballguy
Definitely true. I don't see Wilson as the main RB unless Bradshaw gets hurt. By distributing the load between Bradshaw and Wilson, Ahmad has a better shot of playing most of the season. I predict the Giants to split the load like when Jacobs was with team. While some seem to think Bradshaw will get significant increase in his share of carries.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Starting to back off the wagon. I just don't see how he becomes a feature back in the next 2-3 years barring a season ending injury to Bradshaw. Bradshaw is only 26 and just got a 4 year extension last year. At best it becomes a RBBC for the next 3 years.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
David Wilson is way more talented though. Even ignoring Bradshaw's injury woes, just because he's the incumbent doesn't give him a free ride for the starting role for the full extent for his contract. Wilson will more than likely be getting the lions share of the carries next season, if not much sooner.
