***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[JuniorNB]

If you guys think losing Brown HELPS Wilson, you seriously need to evaluate your knowledge of the game.

EDIT: Or theory, at least.

Briwn's role appeared to be third downs and goal line carries. Not sure about your league's scoring, but mine rewards points for receptions, yards, and touchdowns. If you can't see how this skyrockets Wilson's value, you should be playing Dungeons & Dragons, not fantasy football.

 

[SameSongNDance]

If you guys think losing Brown HELPS Wilson, you seriously need to evaluate your knowledge of the game.

EDIT: Or theory, at least.

Explain yourself, sir.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

3k yards, 45 td, 112 catches for 2k more yards

mark it down!

 

[Khy]

If you guys think losing Brown HELPS Wilson, you seriously need to evaluate your knowledge of the game.

EDIT: Or theory, at least.

HAHAHAHHAHA... wait wait, okay. I'm done now I'll make an actual post.

You've been in every single Wilson thread talking about how Brown was to big a threat to him for him to be as fantasy relevant as people are thinking he'll be. NOW Brown is completely out of the picture for probably 4-6 weeks (or something along those lines) and somehow this hurts Wilson? Make up your mind dude, quit hating on a player just to hate.

Better listen to him. He informed us in the FFA that he's a future NFL scout.

Well s#&t then I've got nothing, he must be correct. Sorry everyone, Eminence is saying this will force Wilson's value to go down. He's droppable in all but the deepest of formats. The Giants backfield is officially unrosterable with the loss of Andre Brown.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Sucks. Drafted Brown. He was going to have a role no matter what the Wilson lovers say. And Wilson won't be the short yardage back anyway.

dude, you gotta get into short yardage to use a short yardage back, and that won't happen too often with wilson bangin' em in from 40 yards out.

 

[sjdogs]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

 

[Khy]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

He's still perfectly reasonable as a 2nd round pick... it's just now you can't have a draft that goes something like "McCoy > Graham > Wilson" like you could have before tonight (or in my case Charles > Graham > Ridley > Wilson 2 weeks ago)

 

[ponchsox]

If you guys think losing Brown HELPS Wilson, you seriously need to evaluate your knowledge of the game.

EDIT: Or theory, at least.

Wilson will most likely be the 3 down back and GL back. That helps his fantasy value a lot.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

inb4 some guy posts his draft and roster

 

[msudaisy26]

This helps Wilson a lot. Even if they sign another back, they have to get ready and learn the playbook, protections to take over Brown's role.

The fact is for the first couple of weeks Wilson is going to get more touches, more chances on 3rd down, and more chances in pass blocking. These chances were going to be limited with Brown healthy. If the kid lives up to the talent, the Giants might not have a choice to put someone else in Brown's role, Wilson might take that role too.

 

[stbugs]

GD it. I was targeting Wilson at 3.10 in my $$ draft next week. No chance now.

I got him at 4.4 last night in a 12 team PPR (1 keeper per team, 4 RBs kept). With keepers, he was RB20. I was pretty happy, especially since I disagreed with the projections. 17 receptions was really low as the starter. In the 3 preseason games, he had 2 receptions in each in a half or less. Brown went in the 8th as RB35 to another team. Without Brown, I would guess he would have gone around late 2nd/early 3rd.

 

[Raider Nation]

If you guys think losing Brown HELPS Wilson, you seriously need to evaluate your knowledge of the game.

EDIT: Or theory, at least.

Wilson will most likely be the 3 down back and GL back. That helps his fantasy value a lot.

I really hope he elaborates pretty soon so that we can properly evaluate our knowledge of the game.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

He's still perfectly reasonable as a 2nd round pick... it's just now you can't have a draft that goes something like "McCoy > Graham > Wilson" like you could have before tonight (or in my case Charles > Graham > Ridley > Wilson 2 weeks ago)

A few posts ago, you hype yourself for grabbing him in the second. Why didn't you go McCoy-Graham-Wilson?

Wilson in the second round after week 2 is not as great a pick as you think it was. In fact, it was, at the least, a round early.

 

[KellysHeroes]

do they bring in Wells or someone like that, I love what this does for Wilson but worry that he might breakdown towards the end of the yr

 

[Khy]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

He's still perfectly reasonable as a 2nd round pick... it's just now you can't have a draft that goes something like "McCoy > Graham > Wilson" like you could have before tonight (or in my case Charles > Graham > Ridley > Wilson 2 weeks ago)

A few posts ago, you hype yourself for grabbing him in the second. Why didn't you go McCoy-Graham-Wilson?

Wilson in the second round after week 2 is not as great a pick as you think it was. In fact, it was, at the least, a round early.

Could you please quote the post where I stated that I drafted him in the 2nd round? I'm not trying to be an ### I'm being serious as I never typed that. If I did however, it was on accident. I drafted him in the 4th round in one league and the 3rd round in two other leagues. Never in the 2nd round though.

 

[zamboni]

Don't overlook Da'Rel Scott, who the team also likes.

Obviously Wilson won't get all the carries or they'll run him into the ground, but whether it's Scott or a street signing, it's very unlikely that they will cut nearly into Wilson's workload as Brown was slated to.

No matter how you slice it, Wilson's fantasy stock got a big bump.

 

[netnalp]

Don't overlook Da'Rel Scott, who the team also likes.

Obviously Wilson won't get all the carries or they'll run him into the ground, but whether it's Scott or a street signing, it's very unlikely that they will cut nearly into Wilson's workload as Brown was slated to.

Scott was on the roster bubble. Most likely would have been cut if Brown wasn't hurt.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

He's still perfectly reasonable as a 2nd round pick... it's just now you can't have a draft that goes something like "McCoy > Graham > Wilson" like you could have before tonight (or in my case Charles > Graham > Ridley > Wilson 2 weeks ago)

A few posts ago, you hype yourself for grabbing him in the second. Why didn't you go McCoy-Graham-Wilson?

Wilson in the second round after week 2 is not as great a pick as you think it was. In fact, it was, at the least, a round early.

Could you please quote the post where I stated that I drafted him in the 2nd round? I'm not trying to be an ### I'm being serious as I never typed that. If I did however, it was on accident. I drafted him in the 4th round in one league and the 3rd round in two other leagues. Never in the 2nd round though.

I read the post that you mentioned drafting him in your big money league. It's since been edited but never mind. I could have misread it so I'll eat this one. My bad.

 

[zamboni]

Don't overlook Da'Rel Scott, who the team also likes.

Obviously Wilson won't get all the carries or they'll run him into the ground, but whether it's Scott or a street signing, it's very unlikely that they will cut nearly into Wilson's workload as Brown was slated to.

Scott was on the roster bubble. Most likely would have been cut if Brown wasn't hurt.

Probably a numbers game since Michael Cox has also emerged. But Brown was cut a few times before, so you never know.

 

[Khy]

Don't overlook Da'Rel Scott, who the team also likes.

Obviously Wilson won't get all the carries or they'll run him into the ground, but whether it's Scott or a street signing, it's very unlikely that they will cut nearly into Wilson's workload as Brown was slated to.

Scott was on the roster bubble. Most likely would have been cut if Brown wasn't hurt.

Yeah, as I said earlier when the injury first happened. The guys you want to watch here are Torain or Cox. The Giants staff has said some really good things about Cox and Torain is just a veteran plodder. I think the most likely thing that happens is they sign Brandon Jacobs, Michael Turner or Willis McGahee to a 1 year deal.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Don't overlook Da'Rel Scott, who the team also likes.

Obviously Wilson won't get all the carries or they'll run him into the ground, but whether it's Scott or a street signing, it's very unlikely that they will cut nearly into Wilson's workload as Brown was slated to.

Scott was on the roster bubble. Most likely would have been cut if Brown wasn't hurt.

Yeah, as I said earlier when the injury first happened. The guys you want to watch here are Torain or Cox. The Giants staff has said some really good things about Cox and Torain is just a veteran plodder. I think the most likely thing that happens is they sign Brandon Jacobs, Michael Turner or Willis McGahee to a 1 year deal.

yeah, what were they saying about wilson when he couldn't get on the field his rookie year?

 

[Koya]

Ouch. God I feel terrible for Brown. He had / talent, but just can not stay healthy.

Second, sucks as a Giants fan. He had a role, regardless how good Wilson was, was a nice backup at worst (a really nice one, nfl wise) and allowed the Giants to not overuse Wilson.

From a fantasy perspective, the stars just aligned. The question had been almost all about role, not talent or surrounding team. And you'd have to assume that Wilson will get as many carries as the team feels he can handle, health / freshness perspective. While ceiling would be tiki numbers for me, I'd say 80-90% of that type of huge yardage and decent TD year are well within reach an only because I think the Giants will try to find someone to take off some of the load. But it's going to fall almost all on Wilson's shoulders now.

Third downs he might get a breather, wonder if we see a little more of Cox as the Giants will give more touches to Wilson but I can't see them wanting to run him into the ground. But who knows, if Wilson can show that he can handle 20-22 touches the coaches will go with the horses.

That said, we have a chance to see what this kids ceiling is and from a Giants fan perspective that could be a lot of fun. A lot of us were pretty pumped by the draft pick last year and we will see how good he can be.

 

[ponchsox]

So is Wilson right after Forte and CJ2K in drafts, before SJax and Ridley?

 

[xenon]

My first thought was what up with Brandon Jacobs. Knows the system..etc..etc..

 

[Khy]

Ouch. God I feel terrible for Brown. He had / talent, but just can not stay healthy.

Second, sucks as a Giants fan. He had a role, regardless how good Wilson was, was a nice backup at worst (a really nice one, nfl wise) and allowed the Giants to not overuse Wilson.

From a fantasy perspective, the stars just aligned. The question had been almost all about role, not talent or surrounding team. And you'd have to assume that Wilson will get as many carries as the team feels he can handle, health / freshness perspective. While ceiling would be tiki numbers for me, I'd say 80-90% of that type of huge yardage and decent TD year are well within reach an only because I think the Giants will try to find someone to take off some of the load. But it's going to fall almost all on Wilson's shoulders now.

Third downs he might get a breather, wonder if we see a little more of Cox as the Giants will give more touches to Wilson but I can't see them wanting to run him into the ground. But who knows, if Wilson can show that he can handle 20-22 touches the coaches will go with the horses.

That said, we have a chance to see what this kids ceiling is and from a Giants fan perspective that could be a lot of fun. A lot of us were pretty pumped by the draft pick last year and we will see how good he can be.

Yeah as a Giants fan I'm extremely upset and extremely excited as well. For the same reasons you covered. I loved knowing the insurance we had in Brown and the talent he had as a change of pace to Wilson. At the same time... I can't WAIT (like running around my house naked in excitement) to see what Wilson does with true bell cow type carries. We've never seen him be on the field for more than like 3-5 plays at a time since he's been drafted. I'm really really really excited about watching him get consecutive carries and build up some momentum in some games now.

 

[Steed]

Sucks. Drafted Brown. He was going to have a role no matter what the Wilson lovers say. And Wilson won't be the short yardage back anyway.

They split goal lines evenly this preseason. The only thing brown had decisively was 3rd downs.

 

[netnalp]

Don't overlook Da'Rel Scott, who the team also likes.

Obviously Wilson won't get all the carries or they'll run him into the ground, but whether it's Scott or a street signing, it's very unlikely that they will cut nearly into Wilson's workload as Brown was slated to.

Scott was on the roster bubble. Most likely would have been cut if Brown wasn't hurt.

Yeah, as I said earlier when the injury first happened. The guys you want to watch here are Torain or Cox. The Giants staff has said some really good things about Cox and Torain is just a veteran plodder. I think the most likely thing that happens is they sign Brandon Jacobs, Michael Turner or Willis McGahee to a 1 year deal.

Torain would be #2, then I think Cox as #3 since he looks like he has won the KR job. Can't see Scot being active much if he makes the roster since the 3rd RB hasn't gotten much use in the past.

I'm thinking they re-sign Lumpkin. Jacobs possibly if he's in shape. If they sign a vet it's likely someone willing to play for the vet minimum.

 

[SameSongNDance]

So is Wilson right after Forte and CJ2K in drafts, before SJax and Ridley?

My question as well. Is it now wishful thinking to hope he falls to mid 2nd lol?

 

[Koya]

So is Wilson right after Forte and CJ2K in drafts, before SJax and Ridley?[/quote

I'd now put him above Ridley without question, probably before s jax though in a ppr it's a little closer, ahead of Cj2 and behind forte.

 

[LususV]

Also note: It's very possible that the Giants reach out to a veteran tomorrow. Some notable names out there are McGahee and Jacobs. Obviously they wouldn't play as large a role as Brown would have... but I think they're likely to sign one of them for insurance and change of pace.

Also Michael Turner and Tim Hightower.

Yeah, I had a theory all off-season that the Giants might reach out to Brandon Jacobs though. It really makes a lot of sense now to be honest.

- Knows the system

- Would cost nothing

- Is quote as dying to be a Giant again earlier in the offseason

- He'd be no more or less productive than someone like Turner who clearly has no gas left

DJ Ware also popping up on twitter.

 

[Khy]

Don't overlook Da'Rel Scott, who the team also likes.

Obviously Wilson won't get all the carries or they'll run him into the ground, but whether it's Scott or a street signing, it's very unlikely that they will cut nearly into Wilson's workload as Brown was slated to.

Scott was on the roster bubble. Most likely would have been cut if Brown wasn't hurt.

Yeah, as I said earlier when the injury first happened. The guys you want to watch here are Torain or Cox. The Giants staff has said some really good things about Cox and Torain is just a veteran plodder. I think the most likely thing that happens is they sign Brandon Jacobs, Michael Turner or Willis McGahee to a 1 year deal.

Torain would be #2, then I think Cox as #3 since he looks like he has won the KR job. Can't see Scot being active much if he makes the roster since the 3rd RB hasn't gotten much use in the past.

I'm thinking they re-sign Lumpkin.

I mean... Wilson played the #2 role for a good portion of last season and still had KR duties. If Cox is the better player they would let him take similar snaps to what Brown and Wilson saw last season at around 4-5 carries a game or so? Coughlin likely doesn't trust the rookie to be the backup though.

So is Wilson right after Forte and CJ2K in drafts, before SJax and Ridley?

My question as well. Is it now wishful thinking to hope he falls to mid 2nd lol?

I mean... yeah I think he has to be right outside that top 10-12 RB list now. Which would be before Jackson and Ridley. He's now gone from RB3 floor with RB1 upside to RB2 floor with elite RB1 upside.

 

[Koya]

Don't overlook Da'Rel Scott, who the team also likes.

Obviously Wilson won't get all the carries or they'll run him into the ground, but whether it's Scott or a street signing, it's very unlikely that they will cut nearly into Wilson's workload as Brown was slated to.

Scott was on the roster bubble. Most likely would have been cut if Brown wasn't hurt.

Yeah, as I said earlier when the injury first happened. The guys you want to watch here are Torain or Cox. The Giants staff has said some really good things about Cox and Torain is just a veteran plodder. I think the most likely thing that happens is they sign Brandon Jacobs, Michael Turner or Willis McGahee to a 1 year deal.

Torain would be #2, then I think Cox as #3 since he looks like he has won the KR job. Can't see Scot being active much if he makes the roster since the 3rd RB hasn't gotten much use in the past.I'm thinking they re-sign Lumpkin.

Torain is decent at pass blockin correct? I honestly can't recall offhand. If god for forbid Wilson went down I think you see a mix of Torain and Cox. Cox has some potential as a runner from the little we've seen and Torain is likely a trusted Vet which can't be overlooked when you need to protect Eli, know your assignments etc.

Again, I think it's now no longer up to what the coaches wanted Wilson to handle but how much they think he can handle. Very short yardage and some third downs might be their only options to not just crush the kid with too many carries.

No way I see Jacobs back. He's been terrible or a while and honestly, was not a good GL back for a while. Torain may see some of those duties I'd guess.

 

[Leonidas]

I don't have any more drafts, but I'd put Wilson after CJ?K and MJD and before Ridley. But I am a little higher on MJD and lower on Ridley than most. I guess for the second round I'd go CJ?K, MJD, Steven Jackson, Wilson/Bush, Ridley/Gore

 

[LususV]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

This is partially why I refuse to do late drafts.

 

[Leonidas]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

This is partially why I refuse to do late drafts.

I like drafting right around the end of the second week of pre season

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

This is partially why I refuse to do late drafts.

Because people get information and become more informed?

Then try and put together a 5th grade all-girls fantasy league, that should help you achieve what you are after.

 

[Koya]

Also note: It's very possible that the Giants reach out to a veteran tomorrow. Some notable names out there are McGahee and Jacobs. Obviously they wouldn't play as large a role as Brown would have... but I think they're likely to sign one of them for insurance and change of pace.

Also Michael Turner and Tim Hightower.

Yeah, I had a theory all off-season that the Giants might reach out to Brandon Jacobs though. It really makes a lot of sense now to be honest.

- Knows the system

- Would cost nothing

- Is quote as dying to be a Giant again earlier in the offseason

- He'd be no more or less productive than someone like Turner who clearly has no gas left

DJ Ware also popping up on twitter.[/quote

I have no idea what shape Ware is in, but that would seem to fit the Giants approach. He had some nice years, can play third downs. Won't win I for you but won't lose it.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

So is Wilson right after Forte and CJ2K in drafts, before SJax and Ridley?[/quote

I'd now put him above Ridley without question, probably before s jax though in a ppr it's a little closer, ahead of Cj2 and behind forte.

In PPR he's 10.

AP

Martin

Charles

McCoy

Spiller

Richardson

Foster

CJ

Forte

Wilson

Lynch

Rice

MJD

Bush

Jackson

Morris

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

This is partially why I refuse to do late drafts.

This is why I refuse to do EARLY drafts.

 

[netnalp]

Another reason why they might just go with Wilson, Torain and Cox, is for the few touches the #3RB gets, they might use Pascoe at HB or those few times put Pascoe at FB and have Hynoski at HB. Giants don't have the roster space to have 4 RBs active.

 

[monk]

The thing about Brown is that history tells us he's all but certain to get injured at some point this season for an extended period, like he has in every single one of his prior 4 NFL seasons. So even if Andre Brown starts the season as the 3rd down back and goal line back, Wilson's all but assuredly going to get an opportunity to be the team's bell cow back at some point in this season, only question is whether or not he takes full advantage of the opportunity.

The brain trust of the SP is absolutely adamant that there is no such thing as being injury prone though. So Andre Brown, Hakeem Nicks, Miles Austin, Darren McFadden, Ryan Mathews...these guys are no more prone to injury than, say Chris Johnson or Roddy White.

It's football ... They are all prone to injury. Was Stevie Brown injury prone? Is he now?

Like I said ... They're alll injury prone, (Robinson , Sash , Brown, Brown etc ...)

 

[Time Kibitzer]

The thing about Brown is that history tells us he's all but certain to get injured at some point this season for an extended period, like he has in every single one of his prior 4 NFL seasons. So even if Andre Brown starts the season as the 3rd down back and goal line back, Wilson's all but assuredly going to get an opportunity to be the team's bell cow back at some point in this season, only question is whether or not he takes full advantage of the opportunity.

The brain trust of the SP is absolutely adamant that there is no such thing as being injury prone though. So Andre Brown, Hakeem Nicks, Miles Austin, Darren McFadden, Ryan Mathews...these guys are no more prone to injury than, say Chris Johnson or Roddy White.

It's football ... They are all prone to injury. Was Stevie Brown injury prone? Is he now?

Like I said ... They're alll injury prone, (Robinson , Sash , Brown, Brown etc ...)

The difference is some people (like Andre Brown) you can predict will get injured, those are the people who are "injury prone" for reasonable intents and purposes.

 

[Sabertooth]

McGahee might actually make some sense.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I really wish there was a clear pickup here because whoever takes on Brown's role (likely to a lesser degree) is a huge pickup right now.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I really wish there was a clear pickup here because whoever takes on Brown's role (likely to a lesser degree) is a huge pickup right now.

Yeah Kenny, but we are gonna have to wait. They will likely see what happens in the roster cut downs to 53. Maybe a tiny trade even.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I really wish there was a clear pickup here because whoever takes on Brown's role (likely to a lesser degree) is a huge pickup right now.

Yeah Kenny, but we are gonna have to wait. They will likely see what happens in the roster cut downs to 53. Maybe a tiny trade even.

Certainly. Just sort of saying from a standard waivers standpoint, if there was a clear cut 3rd guy for NYG, its first come first serve right now because waivers dont start til the regular season.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I really wish there was a clear pickup here because whoever takes on Brown's role (likely to a lesser degree) is a huge pickup right now.

Yeah Kenny, but we are gonna have to wait. They will likely see what happens in the roster cut downs to 53. Maybe a tiny trade even.

Certainly. Just sort of saying from a standard waivers standpoint, if there was a clear cut 3rd guy for NYG, its first come first serve right now because waivers dont start til the regular season.

If there no limitations on add/drops... might wanna go check the Giants preseason game books and see if someone was always the 3rd RB to hit the field behind Wilson/Brown.

If it always is a certain player then consider snagging him as even a new addition might take awhile to get acclimated to the Giants. Then you might still be able to make a play that on that new cat also.

¢¢

 

[drake_ovo]

OMG. i just traded wilson for demarco murray two days ago...

i got hoseddddd bad. omg.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

OMG. i just traded wilson for demarco murray two days ago...

i got hoseddddd bad. omg.

You were hosed without even the Brown injury.

You might wanna stick around these forums a bit more.

 

[Yenrub]

Wow! I just finished a draft and didn’t know that Brown got hurt until now.

I feel really bad for Brown. He is a good kid that just can’t seem to stay healthy.

As a Giants fan this really sucks.

Fantasy wise I was able to snag Wilson as my #3 RB in a 16 team work league tonight