***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (2 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him

Yes when traffic is near them, not from the second he takes the hand off with only the quarterback by him

 

[msudaisy26]

A few observations:

1) David Wilson looks great in that video of his rookie season highlights

2) The Giants abandoned the run before the game even started against Denver. They came out lining up in the shotgun on seemingly every play. I didn't check game logs, and I'm not going to, but I estimate 5 or so of Wilson's 7 carries came out of the shotgun.

3) Wilson looked very awkward running the ball against Denver. He is trying too hard not to fumble and is clearly not playing relaxed and natural.

In my opinion, the coaches are botching this. This team won't go anywhere if they don't establish a downhill run game threat. Play action passing is non-existent. D-linemen are free to pass rush without concern for the run game.

They need to stop ruining David Wilson's talent with these extreme measures to protect the football. Let him play ball. You let Eli Manning chuck four interceptions every game but you won't give David Wilson a shot to contribute to your football team because he turns the ball over? Line it up in the I-formation and give this kid 15+ carries a game, consequences be damned. Support him. Cause what you are doing right now is not working and will not work. They are going the wrong direction.

Bravo ... poster of the year here, in week 3. Nice laying it out there.

and only his 3rd post to the boards. Someone give that man or woman his own column

 

[shadyridr]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him

2 yards and two more downs will lead to alot more "turnovers" by punting than 5 yds and one fumble a game. Its not like hed fumble on every drive

 

[Eminence]

You let Eli Manning chuck four interceptions every game but you won't give David Wilson a shot to contribute to your football team because he turns the ball over? Line it up in the I-formation and give this kid 15+ carries a game, consequences be damned. Support him. Cause what you are doing right now is not working and will not work. They are going the wrong direction.

Eli Manning has also won two Super Bowls, just saying.

 

[monk]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him

2 yards and two more downs will lead to alot more "turnovers" by punting than 5 yds and one fumble a game. Its not like hed fumble on every drive

Wilson's 2nd game when he carried funny" was much better than his 1st game when he didnt

 

[FDC]

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

I agreeEven this week that 2 yard gain he had was insane. I am very concerned/convinced about the pass catching (but you could say similar about ADP)

I'm not sure where this thing about him being a bad pass catcher is coming from to be honest? It was considered a strength of his coming out of school, he showed pretty good ability last season on his couple of targets and then in the preseason he put up 7 receptions.

Not very involved in college and giants haven't shown any real signs of involving him in 2 years

 

[shadyridr]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him

2 yards and two more downs will lead to alot more "turnovers" by punting than 5 yds and one fumble a game. Its not like hed fumble on every drive

Wilson's 2nd game when he carried funny" was much better than his 1st game when he didnt

they both sucked

 

[MoveToSkypager]

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

I agreeEven this week that 2 yard gain he had was insane. I am very concerned/convinced about the pass catching (but you could say similar about ADP)

I'm not sure where this thing about him being a bad pass catcher is coming from to be honest? It was considered a strength of his coming out of school, he showed pretty good ability last season on his couple of targets and then in the preseason he put up 7 receptions.

Not very involved in college and giants haven't shown any real signs of involving him in 2 years

Wilson freaks will see what they want to see. Wilson had something like 35 receptions in 37 career college games. I'm sure for them it's not the number of catches, but that he looked totally awesome in them that matters.

 

[LususV]

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

I agreeEven this week that 2 yard gain he had was insane. I am very concerned/convinced about the pass catching (but you could say similar about ADP)

I'm not sure where this thing about him being a bad pass catcher is coming from to be honest? It was considered a strength of his coming out of school, he showed pretty good ability last season on his couple of targets and then in the preseason he put up 7 receptions.

Not very involved in college and giants haven't shown any real signs of involving him in 2 years

Wilson freaks will see what they want to see. Wilson had something like 35 receptions in 37 career college games. I'm sure for them it's not the number of catches, but that he looked totally awesome in them that matters.

Wilson was a pretty awful receiver in 2012. Total body-catcher, no hands. He looked better (in terms of using hands) in preseason week 2 vs. the Colts. Haven't seen any pass-catching opportunities since.

 

[netnalp]

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

I agreeEven this week that 2 yard gain he had was insane. I am very concerned/convinced about the pass catching (but you could say similar about ADP)

I'm not sure where this thing about him being a bad pass catcher is coming from to be honest? It was considered a strength of his coming out of school, he showed pretty good ability last season on his couple of targets and then in the preseason he put up 7 receptions.

Not very involved in college and giants haven't shown any real signs of involving him in 2 years

2 years?

He's only been on the team a year and 4 months!

 

[msudaisy26]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him

2 yards and two more downs will lead to alot more "turnovers" by punting than 5 yds and one fumble a game. Its not like hed fumble on every drive

Wilson's 2nd game when he carried funny" was much better than his 1st game when he didnt

7 - 19 his first game 2 fumbles and 6 turnovers by the team and they lost by 6

7 - 17 his second game no fumbles and 4 turnovers by the team and they lost by 18.

They look like the same to me minus the fumbles, you could even argue game 2 was worse.

 

[netnalp]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him

2 yards and two more downs will lead to alot more "turnovers" by punting than 5 yds and one fumble a game. Its not like hed fumble on every drive

It's the technique Wilson learned from Tiki Barber during the week. Tiki says it makes you a more powerful runner as well as protects the football.

 

[netnalp]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him

2 yards and two more downs will lead to alot more "turnovers" by punting than 5 yds and one fumble a game. Its not like hed fumble on every drive

Wilson's 2nd game when he carried funny" was much better than his 1st game when he didnt

7 - 19 his first game 2 fumbles and 6 turnovers by the team and they lost by 6

7 - 17 his second game no fumbles and 4 turnovers by the team and they lost by 18.

They look like the same to me minus the fumbles, you could even argue game 2 was worse.

In that vein of logic, it could be argued that they lost because they stopped giving Wilson carries.

 

[msudaisy26]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him

2 yards and two more downs will lead to alot more "turnovers" by punting than 5 yds and one fumble a game. Its not like hed fumble on every drive

Wilson's 2nd game when he carried funny" was much better than his 1st game when he didnt

7 - 19 his first game 2 fumbles and 6 turnovers by the team and they lost by 6

7 - 17 his second game no fumbles and 4 turnovers by the team and they lost by 18.

They look like the same to me minus the fumbles, you could even argue game 2 was worse.

In that vein of logic, it could be argued that they lost because they stopped giving Wilson carries.

Wow it must be slow day in the shark pool, I said it could be argued. I wouldn't argue that, both games sucked for Wilson and the Giants.

 

[Raider Nation]

God, dude. Do you know who you're ####### with?

I'm well aware of what David Wilson's '40 time' is. You keep mentioning it up and if you read some of my previous posts / threads I even quote his exact Combine numbers. Oh wait, here's a thread where I post all of them.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681893&hl=

Also, for the record '40 times' mean nothing.

And again, jagoff. I don't think you know who you're ####### with. I don't watch games? I only look at statlines? Is that why I created player threads for:

DeAndre Hopkins

Eddie Lacy

Cordarelle Patterson

Le'Veon Bell

All before they were drafted? And they all ended up being 1st / 2nd Round NFL Picks. But sure, I just looked at stats and made opinions about players. It's called the eye-ball test, learn to use it and you'd see Wilson's deficiency as a pass-catcher just like I saw the talent of those above 4 players.

This is gold.

 

[cstu]

Eminence is going HAM lmao.. I thought I was having fun. "Do you know who you're ####### with" might be sig worthy.

Yeah, that's bonkers. I can't believe anyone would type that sort of thing.

His lady friend left him.

 

[jdubs952]

It's about building up the young man's confidence. Had they have him the ball 20+ times and he fumbled once. He would be ruined mentally for a long while. This is a guy that cried on sidelines after fumbling. His role will increase, buy low.

 

[2ksports]

I've always thought he was overrated, great gadget player but WAY too one-dimensional.Sure, he 'might' score a long one. But he also 'might' fumble or get Eli sacked. Start him if you want.

But a RB who can't a block or catch well is VERY easy to defend against. All speed, no wiggle.

Wait til he gets banged up, let's see how much "burst" he has left.

Terrible analysis of David Wilson.

It's easy to kick a man when he's down.

For starters, his greatest asset isn't even speed. Just look up his 40 time.

Too bad I've been saying this #### for months.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681790&page=1

Just because you've been saying it for months doesn't make it a appropriate analysis of Wilson's skillsets. You seem to have this idea in your head that he runs a 4.2 40 and has no power, agility or football skill in general. Which is actually the exact opposite of what Wilson is... he runs a 4.5 40 and has outstanding balance, spin moves, power and cutting ability. He's actually not all that fast at top speed. He simply has incredibly fast acceleration. For example... here is the NFL.com draft profile on Wilson. Tell me how this makes you correct:

STRENGTHS Wilson is extremely explosive and quick-twitched off the snap. He can quickly accelerate to top speed, and he makes the most of his small frame by lowering his pad level into hits. He is so explosive and generates such movement with his leg drive that he is capable of running over linebackers, but he prefers to use his agility to make guys miss in space. Wilson is just as electric working as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot as he is as a ball carrier, and he could be used in a variety of alignments.

So honestly, this notion you have that he's just a fast guy who is a bad receiver with no "football moves" is just asinine and not even remotely close to correct. It's baseless statements like this from guys who don't even watch the games but instead just look at the statline that make the Shark Pool a mess sometimes. Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there. Right now it's a matter of him holding onto the ball and the coaching staff understanding that his skillset gives them the best chance to win on Sunday's. Hell, even Eli and the offensive line are saying these things in press conferences right now. It's just a matter of Coughlin understanding that he has to stop being so stubborn about it. If Eli can throw 7 picks in 2 games then Wilson needs to be allowed some time to groom his fumbling issues. Cause the real problem with this team isn't Wilson's lack of ability it's their lack of usage of him.

God, dude. Do you know who you're ####### with?

I'm well aware of what David Wilson's '40 time' is. You keep mentioning it up and if you read some of my previous posts / threads I even quote his exact Combine numbers. Oh wait, here's a thread where I post all of them.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681893&hl=

Also, for the record '40 times' mean nothing.

And again, jagoff. I don't think you know who you're ####### with. I don't watch games? I only look at statlines? Is that why I created player threads for:

DeAndre Hopkins

Eddie Lacy

Cordarelle Patterson

Le'Veon Bell

All before they were drafted? And they all ended up being 1st / 2nd Round NFL Picks. But sure, I just looked at stats and made opinions about players. It's called the eye-ball test, learn to use it and you'd see Wilson's deficiency as a pass-catcher just like I saw the talent of those above 4 players.

You don't even say what Wilson's strengths are. You simply give me a blanket statement of, "Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there." Way to go out on a limb.

Watch this video of David Wilson's rookie highlights and tell me what you honestly think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl4djQM56Pc

There's no finesse, there's no cutback. All I see is a player who runs full-speed into the hole, full-speed into defenders. There's no jukes, spins, etc. He occasionally runs into a defender and awkwardly stays on his feet, but no, this isn't a player with a large arsenal of football moves.

Not saying he can't improve in that aspect, but as of right now he relies solely on his burst to pick up yards. I don't see extraordinary vision, patience, or anything like that.

Sorry, but no.

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

This is what I don't understand... that's the second time I've seen him link that video as 'proof' that Wilson just runs with a full head of steam and then does nothing. When all I see is a guy who breaks tackles, has freakish balance and never goes down on first contact and definitely has quick cuts. It's like debating if the Godfather is a good movie or not. We're watching the same thing and somehow you're seeing something completely different than everyone else watching it, Eminence. Not really sure what else to say, but posting a video of him breaking tons of tackles, making quick cuts and showing shockingly good power and ridiculous balance isn't going to make me think you're evaluation of that video is somehow correct.

Hey, dude, do you know who you're ####### with? It's a random person on the internet with enough time to create threads about football players without receiving any compensation at all. You're not allowed to question him/her. Your choices are to either agree with Eminence or agree, that's it. DO NOT try to form your own opinion or even offer another viewpoint.

I lol'd. My bad for not reading every thread this guy ever created.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Mr. Fumble should just blame Chris Snee for his woes. If he was more focused on football or the game than the coach's daughter maybe all the defenders couldn't get to him to strip the ball so easily.

 

[Banger]

Mr. Fumble should just blame Chris Snee for his woes. If he was more focused on football or the game than the coach's daughter maybe all the defenders couldn't get to him to strip the ball so easily.

it's clearly everyone elses fault except for Wilson. It's all a big conspiracy against him.

 

[Khy]

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/Shaun-O-Hara/article-1/Shaun-OHara-Plays-that-Changed-the-Game-/f4fb47ce-0c11-41f7-9238-bb385b5bc027

Good analysis here on the pass/run blocking by Shaun O'Hara. I'm posting it here because it gives us a little better analysis on Wilson's protection. O'Hara compliments him on two separate plays for standing up and doing exactly what he needs to be doing. Seems relevant to the conversation.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Mr. Fumble should just blame Chris Snee for his woes. If he was more focused on football or the game than the coach's daughter maybe all the defenders couldn't get to him to strip the ball so easily.

it's clearly everyone elses fault except for Wilson. It's all a big conspiracy against him.

You might be on to something...maybe if Brandon Jacobs wasn't a FA or left the team to begin with, he could have taught him how to get injured before his fumbling problem started.

 

[JuniorNB]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

Shredded knee is an excuse, fumbleitis isn't. Now I think that RG3 will return to form within the next few months, but even if he doesn't he did more in his first year than Wilson will do in his career.

We shall see. There's also a chance that Wilson fixes his fumbleitis and Griffin's knee never allows him to be the weapon he was last year. And we're all seeing how he is as a pocket passer when the run threat isn't there.

Get a clue. Maybe watch a game of football once in a while before you post. You're acting like the sky is falling when RG3 has thrown for 649 yards and 5 TDs in his first two games after shredding his knee.

Sheep.

LOL RGIII has gotten all his numbers against prevent defenses once he's already gotten his team into a huge hole. He looks lost out there. They'd be better off with Cousins right now until RGIII can run again. As a pure pocket passer, he's Gabbert-like.

 

[Khy]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

Shredded knee is an excuse, fumbleitis isn't. Now I think that RG3 will return to form within the next few months, but even if he doesn't he did more in his first year than Wilson will do in his career.

We shall see. There's also a chance that Wilson fixes his fumbleitis and Griffin's knee never allows him to be the weapon he was last year. And we're all seeing how he is as a pocket passer when the run threat isn't there.

Get a clue. Maybe watch a game of football once in a while before you post. You're acting like the sky is falling when RG3 has thrown for 649 yards and 5 TDs in his first two games after shredding his knee.

Sheep.

LOL RGIII has gotten all his numbers against prevent defenses once he's already gotten his team into a huge hole. He looks lost out there. They'd be better off with Cousins right now until RGIII can run again. As a pure pocket passer, he's Gabbert-like.

This is the David Wilson thread not the RG3 thread. But honestly... to say that RG3 is "Gabbert-like" in the pocket is obnoxious. Something isn't quite right with him right now. But he did break almost every rookie QB record in the book last season. It's not that he looks lost out there so much as he's just a little scared of his knee right now I think. He's just not planting on it properly when delivering his passes. He's certainly not the same player he was last season right now, but it's rust and self preservation not injury. He still gives them a MUCH better chance to win than Cousins does... but Gabbert-like? You're insane man.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I've always thought he was overrated, great gadget player but WAY too one-dimensional.

Sure, he 'might' score a long one. But he also 'might' fumble or get Eli sacked. Start him if you want.

But a RB who can't a block or catch well is VERY easy to defend against. All speed, no wiggle.

Wait til he gets banged up, let's see how much "burst" he has left.

Terrible analysis of David Wilson.

It's easy to kick a man when he's down.

For starters, his greatest asset isn't even speed. Just look up his 40 time.

Too bad I've been saying this #### for months.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681790&page=1

Just because you've been saying it for months doesn't make it a appropriate analysis of Wilson's skillsets. You seem to have this idea in your head that he runs a 4.2 40 and has no power, agility or football skill in general. Which is actually the exact opposite of what Wilson is... he runs a 4.5 40 and has outstanding balance, spin moves, power and cutting ability. He's actually not all that fast at top speed. He simply has incredibly fast acceleration. For example... here is the NFL.com draft profile on Wilson. Tell me how this makes you correct:

STRENGTHS Wilson is extremely explosive and quick-twitched off the snap. He can quickly accelerate to top speed, and he makes the most of his small frame by lowering his pad level into hits. He is so explosive and generates such movement with his leg drive that he is capable of running over linebackers, but he prefers to use his agility to make guys miss in space. Wilson is just as electric working as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot as he is as a ball carrier, and he could be used in a variety of alignments.

So honestly, this notion you have that he's just a fast guy who is a bad receiver with no "football moves" is just asinine and not even remotely close to correct. It's baseless statements like this from guys who don't even watch the games but instead just look at the statline that make the Shark Pool a mess sometimes. Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there. Right now it's a matter of him holding onto the ball and the coaching staff understanding that his skillset gives them the best chance to win on Sunday's. Hell, even Eli and the offensive line are saying these things in press conferences right now. It's just a matter of Coughlin understanding that he has to stop being so stubborn about it. If Eli can throw 7 picks in 2 games then Wilson needs to be allowed some time to groom his fumbling issues. Cause the real problem with this team isn't Wilson's lack of ability it's their lack of usage of him.

God, dude. Do you know who you're ####### with?

I'm well aware of what David Wilson's '40 time' is. You keep mentioning it up and if you read some of my previous posts / threads I even quote his exact Combine numbers. Oh wait, here's a thread where I post all of them.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681893&hl=

Also, for the record '40 times' mean nothing.

And again, jagoff. I don't think you know who you're ####### with. I don't watch games? I only look at statlines? Is that why I created player threads for:DeAndre HopkinsEddie LacyCordarelle PattersonLe'Veon Bell

All before they were drafted? And they all ended up being 1st / 2nd Round NFL Picks. But sure, I just looked at stats and made opinions about players. It's called the eye-ball test, learn to use it and you'd see Wilson's deficiency as a pass-catcher just like I saw the talent of those above 4 players.

You don't even say what Wilson's strengths are. You simply give me a blanket statement of, "Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there." Way to go out on a limb.

Watch this video of David Wilson's rookie highlights and tell me what you honestly think:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl4djQM56Pc

There's no finesse, there's no cutback. All I see is a player who runs full-speed into the hole, full-speed into defenders. There's no jukes, spins, etc. He occasionally runs into a defender and awkwardly stays on his feet, but no, this isn't a player with a large arsenal of football moves.

Not saying he can't improve in that aspect, but as of right now he relies solely on his burst to pick up yards. I don't see extraordinary vision, patience, or anything like that.

Sorry, but no.

Umm... Like a Kick returner right?

 

[B-Deep]

every morning i come in and think

THIS will be the morning that a 50+ page thread on David freaking Wilson will not be on the front page

and every day i am delighted to be wrong

and we get more
"Eli sucks the Ginats need less Eli more Wilson" logic...AWESOME

please, none of you ever change

ever

nominating this now for the ridiculous thread of the year award

 

[JuniorNB]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

Shredded knee is an excuse, fumbleitis isn't. Now I think that RG3 will return to form within the next few months, but even if he doesn't he did more in his first year than Wilson will do in his career.

We shall see. There's also a chance that Wilson fixes his fumbleitis and Griffin's knee never allows him to be the weapon he was last year. And we're all seeing how he is as a pocket passer when the run threat isn't there.

Get a clue. Maybe watch a game of football once in a while before you post. You're acting like the sky is falling when RG3 has thrown for 649 yards and 5 TDs in his first two games after shredding his knee.

Sheep.

LOL RGIII has gotten all his numbers against prevent defenses once he's already gotten his team into a huge hole. He looks lost out there. They'd be better off with Cousins right now until RGIII can run again. As a pure pocket passer, he's Gabbert-like.

This is the David Wilson thread not the RG3 thread. But honestly... to say that RG3 is "Gabbert-like" in the pocket is obnoxious. Something isn't quite right with him right now. But he did break almost every rookie QB record in the book last season. It's not that he looks lost out there so much as he's just a little scared of his knee right now I think. He's just not planting on it properly when delivering his passes. He's certainly not the same player he was last season right now, but it's rust and self preservation not injury. He still gives them a MUCH better chance to win than Cousins does... but Gabbert-like? You're insane man.

Ok, without being able to run, he's Ponder-like

 

[dickey moe]

every morning i come in and think

THIS will be the morning that a 50+ page thread on David freaking Wilson will not be on the front page

and every day i am delighted to be wrong

and we get more

"Eli sucks the Ginats need less Eli more Wilson" logic...AWESOME

please, none of you ever change

ever

nominating this now for the ridiculous thread of the year award

It's only ridiculous due to the ridiculous projections and expectations made for a Mr. David Wilson.

 

[Pump N Go]

every morning i come in and think

THIS will be the morning that a 50+ page thread on David freaking Wilson will not be on the front page

and every day i am delighted to be wrong

and we get more

"Eli sucks the Ginats need less Eli more Wilson" logic...AWESOME

please, none of you ever change

ever

nominating this now for the ridiculous thread of the year award

*60+

As a Wilson owner I kind of hope the thread dies too so I can stop coming in here

 

[B-Deep]

David Wilson is one of the mostest talented young RB's in the game this years.

see, i just don;t think that is really all that true

this could be a major part of the problem

though even if it was true, the listed of talented players who never amounted to anything is pretty long

 

[B-Deep]

every morning i come in and think

THIS will be the morning that a 50+ page thread on David freaking Wilson will not be on the front page

and every day i am delighted to be wrong

and we get more

"Eli sucks the Ginats need less Eli more Wilson" logic...AWESOME

please, none of you ever change

ever

nominating this now for the ridiculous thread of the year award

*60+

As a Wilson owner I kind of hope the thread dies too so I can stop coming in here

i wonder if we can keep the number of pages above his number of yards all season!!!



i doubt it

that's a lofty goal

maybe over his number of carries

 

[Khy]

every morning i come in and think

THIS will be the morning that a 50+ page thread on David freaking Wilson will not be on the front page

and every day i am delighted to be wrong

and we get more
"Eli sucks the Ginats need less Eli more Wilson" logic...AWESOME

please, none of you ever change

ever

nominating this now for the ridiculous thread of the year award

There's actually good evidence that Eli going over 35 pass attempts spells trouble. Lets look at the results... the list is INTs over 35 pass attempts in a game vs season total.

2013: 7/7 INTs have come over 35 pass attempts

2012: 11/15 INTs came over 35 pass attempts

2011: 13/16 INTs came over 35 pass attempts

2010: 12/25 INTs came over 35 pass attempts

So through the past 4 seasons he has 43 of his 63 INTs thrown in games where he eclipsed 35 pass attempts a game. So yeah, it's not that ridiculous to say that keeping Eli's passing numbers closer to the 25-35 range is better for the team. When Eli throws the ball a lot he starts to force plays that simply aren't there because he feels like he needs to put the team on his shoulders. It's bad Eli and bad for the team. It's not that "Wilson sucks" but the stats don't lie... keep Eli under 35 pass attempts and he is a better QB and forces less turnovers. If his turnovers looked like 4 INTs in 2012 and 3 in 2011? We'd be talking about him as one of the better QBs in the NFL. Keep him under 35 attempts, run the ball more, turn the ball over less, win more games.

 

[Rick James]

He can break the big one at all the times.

 

[Rove!]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him

2 yards and two more downs will lead to alot more "turnovers" by punting than 5 yds and one fumble a game. Its not like hed fumble on every drive

It's the technique Wilson learned from Tiki Barber during the week. Tiki says it makes you a more powerful runner as well as protects the football.

but but but...what the heck does Tiki Barber know about being an NFL Running Back?

 

[qimqam]

Giants are 0-2 lots of talk that Wilson has been mishandled and misused in the local papers and on local Radio.

Giants need to get there running game fixed and quickly ... I am sure this is their focus this week.

Wilson has done his time and is clearly the best RB on the team and if the Giants have any intention of winning this year they have absolutely no choice but to get Wilson/Their running game going.

Carolina not very good

Starting Wilson this week with confidence

 

[Touchdown There]

A few observations:

1) David Wilson looks great in that video of his rookie season highlights

2) The Giants abandoned the run before the game even started against Denver. They came out lining up in the shotgun on seemingly every play. I didn't check game logs, and I'm not going to, but I estimate 5 or so of Wilson's 7 carries came out of the shotgun.

3) Wilson looked very awkward running the ball against Denver. He is trying too hard not to fumble and is clearly not playing relaxed and natural.

In my opinion, the coaches are botching this. This team won't go anywhere if they don't establish a downhill run game threat. Play action passing is non-existent. D-linemen are free to pass rush without concern for the run game.

They need to stop ruining David Wilson's talent with these extreme measures to protect the football. Let him play ball. You let Eli Manning chuck four interceptions every game but you won't give David Wilson a shot to contribute to your football team because he turns the ball over? Line it up in the I-formation and give this kid 15+ carries a game, consequences be damned. Support him. Cause what you are doing right now is not working and will not work. They are going the wrong direction.

bra####INGvo.

*golfclap*

 

[Banger]

Giants are 0-2 lots of talk that Wilson has been mishandled and misused in the local papers and on local Radio.

Giants need to get there running game fixed and quickly ... I am sure this is their focus this week.

Wilson has done his time and is clearly the best RB on the team and if the Giants have any intention of winning this year they have absolutely no choice but to get Wilson/Their running game going.

Carolina not very good

Starting Wilson this week with confidence

but how was he mishandled game 1? he had an absolutely horrendous game and I can't see how anyone would think otherwise.

game 2, there may be some argument but the game script was that they were behind in the 2nd half and he's not yet a good pass protector, therefore, he's not going to play. They also don't like him around the goal line for whatever reason and that's why Brown was the GL back and now it appears that Jacobs is.

If it's a close game where Eli doesn't have to throw all day I'd expect Wilson to get more carries but at the end of the day right now he's a 2 down back when the game is close or they are ahead (which they haven't been yet).

 

[Clifford]

Wilson is a terrible play against Carolina. Their front seven is playing tops in league right now and I don't expect any of the Giants backs to be able to get anything going on the ground. Since Cam's accuracy is non-existent and the Giants have a decent D-line, I could see a stinker of a game, something like 9-13 in favor of NY.

If anyone goes off in this game it will likely be the receivers for NY and Olsen/Smith for Carolina.

 

[qimqam]

Giants are 0-2 lots of talk that Wilson has been mishandled and misused in the local papers and on local Radio.

Giants need to get there running game fixed and quickly ... I am sure this is their focus this week.

Wilson has done his time and is clearly the best RB on the team and if the Giants have any intention of winning this year they have absolutely no choice but to get Wilson/Their running game going.

Carolina not very good

Starting Wilson this week with confidence

but how was he mishandled game 1? he had an absolutely horrendous game and I can't see how anyone would think otherwise.

game 2, there may be some argument but the game script was that they were behind in the 2nd half and he's not yet a good pass protector, therefore, he's not going to play. They also don't like him around the goal line for whatever reason and that's why Brown was the GL back and now it appears that Jacobs is.

If it's a close game where Eli doesn't have to throw all day I'd expect Wilson to get more carries but at the end of the day right now he's a 2 down back when the game is close or they are ahead (which they haven't been yet).

15 - 18 touches

I have no idea what he will do with them because I am not sure if the Giants will be able to fix their problems ... But I think he will get around 50% of the RB touches.

If you get KR yardage/tds ... there is very little risk

 

[qimqam]

Wilson is a terrible play against Carolina. Their front seven is playing tops in league right now and I don't expect any of the Giants backs to be able to get anything going on the ground. Since Cam's accuracy is non-existent and the Giants have a decent D-line, I could see a stinker of a game, something like 9-13 in favor of NY.

If anyone goes off in this game it will likely be the receivers for NY and Olsen/Smith for Carolina.

Buffalo had over 200 total yds and 1 TD vs Car ...How is that tops in the league?

 

[Rick James]

Wilson is a terrible play against Carolina. Their front seven is playing tops in league right now and I don't expect any of the Giants backs to be able to get anything going on the ground. Since Cam's accuracy is non-existent and the Giants have a decent D-line, I could see a stinker of a game, something like 9-13 in favor of NY.

If anyone goes off in this game it will likely be the receivers for NY and Olsen/Smith for Carolina.

Tend to agree, but I have better options anyway.

I do think the NYG receivers should go off. CAR's secondary is pitiful and banged up.

 

[Yenrub]

Wilson is a terrible play against Carolina. Their front seven is playing tops in league right now and I don't expect any of the Giants backs to be able to get anything going on the ground. Since Cam's accuracy is non-existent and the Giants have a decent D-line, I could see a stinker of a game, something like 9-13 in favor of NY.

If anyone goes off in this game it will likely be the receivers for NY and Olsen/Smith for Carolina.

Buffalo had over 200 total yds and 1 TD vs Car ...How is that tops in the league?

You have to hope that the Giants offensive line starts to gel so that the run game can get going. The Giants have not had the same starting 5 offensive lineman start all season including the preseason.

The Panthers front 7 is pretty good, they are giving up 3.7 yards per carry for the season. They did give up 149 yards on the ground to the Bills last week. I think that they had some guys get hurt in the secondary last week which could lead to a big day for the Giants WR’s

 

[T with T]

Wilson is a terrible play against Carolina. Their front seven is playing tops in league right now and I don't expect any of the Giants backs to be able to get anything going on the ground. Since Cam's accuracy is non-existent and the Giants have a decent D-line, I could see a stinker of a game, something like 9-13 in favor of NY.

If anyone goes off in this game it will likely be the receivers for NY and Olsen/Smith for Carolina.

Buffalo had over 200 total yds and 1 TD vs Car ...How is that tops in the league?

They also held marshawn lynch to 50 yards and no tds so pick your week, overall though they have a good front 7. Starting Gio/Bell in a ppr over Wilson even though I think he is better long term then both.....

 

[CariocaSean]

Giants are 0-2 lots of talk that Wilson has been mishandled and misused in the local papers and on local Radio.

Giants need to get there running game fixed and quickly ... I am sure this is their focus this week.

Wilson has done his time and is clearly the best RB on the team and if the Giants have any intention of winning this year they have absolutely no choice but to get Wilson/Their running game going.

Carolina not very good

Starting Wilson this week with confidence

but how was he mishandled game 1? he had an absolutely horrendous game and I can't see how anyone would think otherwise.

game 2, there may be some argument but the game script was that they were behind in the 2nd half and he's not yet a good pass protector, therefore, he's not going to play. They also don't like him around the goal line for whatever reason and that's why Brown was the GL back and now it appears that Jacobs is.

If it's a close game where Eli doesn't have to throw all day I'd expect Wilson to get more carries but at the end of the day right now he's a 2 down back when the game is close or they are ahead (which they haven't been yet).

While I can't disagree that Wilson was bad in the first game, I can disagree that the 2nd game was not mishandled. What you ignore is what happened in the first half. They came out running an arena football team offense. They only gave Wilson carries out of the shotgun. Eli is no Aaron Rodgers - he is going to throw a ton of picks if they keep this up.

I just think they need to do whatever it takes to establish a running game. Different formations is a start. Committing to running the ball is the second part of the equation. Wilson may fumble, but the other option is to have Eli throwing all day and that will result in turnovers as well.

I think the jury is still out on Wilson being a fumbler. He has 3 on his career. He isn't going to learn and get a feel for the pro game, and the offensive line isn't going to get into any rhythm, with the way that this situation is being handled. In my opinion the coaching staff is overreacting quite a bit to what happened in week 1.

 

[msudaisy26]

Giants are 0-2 lots of talk that Wilson has been mishandled and misused in the local papers and on local Radio.

Giants need to get there running game fixed and quickly ... I am sure this is their focus this week.

Wilson has done his time and is clearly the best RB on the team and if the Giants have any intention of winning this year they have absolutely no choice but to get Wilson/Their running game going.

Carolina not very good

Starting Wilson this week with confidence

I am as big of a Wilson supporter as there is, but you are crazy.

 

[Khy]

Wilson is a terrible play against Carolina. Their front seven is playing tops in league right now and I don't expect any of the Giants backs to be able to get anything going on the ground. Since Cam's accuracy is non-existent and the Giants have a decent D-line, I could see a stinker of a game, something like 9-13 in favor of NY.

If anyone goes off in this game it will likely be the receivers for NY and Olsen/Smith for Carolina.

While I'd like to agree I don't think we 'really' know what the Carolina front 7 holds yet. I think if Wilson gets some real playing time this week it can be telling. While they did shut down Lynch they got carved up by Spiller. Wilson is a much closer comparison to Spiller than Lynch. Lynch is just a massive wrecking ball he isn't particularly fast and not a good outside runner. Where as Spiller and Wilson are the complete opposite. They're good inside runners but really excel at outside runs. That's where Spiller really tore up Carolina last week. All of his runs were bounced to the outside.

I think Coughlin will be pressured into at least running Wilson early and seeing how it works out. I'd expect him to see 5-8 carries in the first quarter. And then they'll adjust based on his effectiveness from there. If he's going 1.3ypc on 8 carries he'll probably not do much more but if he's popping off 5-10 yard clips every run then he could see around 18-20 on the game. The Giants NEED to establish a running game. This is a must win game for them, thinking of it from say a fantasy purpose. Wilson is the 'upside' play, they have to just put all the chips in the middle and pray for the ace on the river here.

 

[TheFanatic]

Giants are 0-2 lots of talk that Wilson has been mishandled and misused in the local papers and on local Radio.

Giants need to get there running game fixed and quickly ... I am sure this is their focus this week.

Wilson has done his time and is clearly the best RB on the team and if the Giants have any intention of winning this year they have absolutely no choice but to get Wilson/Their running game going.

Carolina not very good

Starting Wilson this week with confidence

I am as big of a Wilson supporter as there is, but you are crazy.

I agree. Wilson gets the pine until he can show something. Anything.

 

[B-Deep]

Wilson is a terrible play against Carolina. Their front seven is playing tops in league right now and I don't expect any of the Giants backs to be able to get anything going on the ground. Since Cam's accuracy is non-existent and the Giants have a decent D-line, I could see a stinker of a game, something like 9-13 in favor of NY.

If anyone goes off in this game it will likely be the receivers for NY and Olsen/Smith for Carolina.

While I'd like to agree I don't think we 'really' know what the Carolina front 7 holds yet. I think if Wilson gets some real playing time this week it can be telling. While they did shut down Lynch they got carved up by Spiller. Wilson is a much closer comparison to Spiller than Lynch. Lynch is just a massive wrecking ball he isn't particularly fast and not a good outside runner. Where as Spiller and Wilson are the complete opposite. They're good inside runners but really excel at outside runs. That's where Spiller really tore up Carolina last week. All of his runs were bounced to the outside.

I think Coughlin will be pressured into at least running Wilson early and seeing how it works out. I'd expect him to see 5-8 carries in the first quarter. And then they'll adjust based on his effectiveness from there. If he's going 1.3ypc on 8 carries he'll probably not do much more but if he's popping off 5-10 yard clips every run then he could see around 18-20 on the game. The Giants NEED to establish a running game. This is a must win game for them, thinking of it from say a fantasy purpose. Wilson is the 'upside' play, they have to just put all the chips in the middle and pray for the ace on the river here.

i don't think coughlin feels the least bit of pressure to do anything in particular with wilson at all

 

[qimqam]

Wilson is a terrible play against Carolina. Their front seven is playing tops in league right now and I don't expect any of the Giants backs to be able to get anything going on the ground. Since Cam's accuracy is non-existent and the Giants have a decent D-line, I could see a stinker of a game, something like 9-13 in favor of NY.

If anyone goes off in this game it will likely be the receivers for NY and Olsen/Smith for Carolina.

While I'd like to agree I don't think we 'really' know what the Carolina front 7 holds yet. I think if Wilson gets some real playing time this week it can be telling. While they did shut down Lynch they got carved up by Spiller. Wilson is a much closer comparison to Spiller than Lynch. Lynch is just a massive wrecking ball he isn't particularly fast and not a good outside runner. Where as Spiller and Wilson are the complete opposite. They're good inside runners but really excel at outside runs. That's where Spiller really tore up Carolina last week. All of his runs were bounced to the outside.

I think Coughlin will be pressured into at least running Wilson early and seeing how it works out. I'd expect him to see 5-8 carries in the first quarter. And then they'll adjust based on his effectiveness from there. If he's going 1.3ypc on 8 carries he'll probably not do much more but if he's popping off 5-10 yard clips every run then he could see around 18-20 on the game. The Giants NEED to establish a running game. This is a must win game for them, thinking of it from say a fantasy purpose. Wilson is the 'upside' play, they have to just put all the chips in the middle and pray for the ace on the river here.

i don't think coughlin feels the least bit of pressure to do anything in particular with wilson at all

If they lose this game and Wilson is not a factor ...Everyone is going to be calling for Coughlin's head ... It's already starting on the local radio stations and media.

 

[Khy]

Wilson is a terrible play against Carolina. Their front seven is playing tops in league right now and I don't expect any of the Giants backs to be able to get anything going on the ground. Since Cam's accuracy is non-existent and the Giants have a decent D-line, I could see a stinker of a game, something like 9-13 in favor of NY.

If anyone goes off in this game it will likely be the receivers for NY and Olsen/Smith for Carolina.

While I'd like to agree I don't think we 'really' know what the Carolina front 7 holds yet. I think if Wilson gets some real playing time this week it can be telling. While they did shut down Lynch they got carved up by Spiller. Wilson is a much closer comparison to Spiller than Lynch. Lynch is just a massive wrecking ball he isn't particularly fast and not a good outside runner. Where as Spiller and Wilson are the complete opposite. They're good inside runners but really excel at outside runs. That's where Spiller really tore up Carolina last week. All of his runs were bounced to the outside.

I think Coughlin will be pressured into at least running Wilson early and seeing how it works out. I'd expect him to see 5-8 carries in the first quarter. And then they'll adjust based on his effectiveness from there. If he's going 1.3ypc on 8 carries he'll probably not do much more but if he's popping off 5-10 yard clips every run then he could see around 18-20 on the game. The Giants NEED to establish a running game. This is a must win game for them, thinking of it from say a fantasy purpose. Wilson is the 'upside' play, they have to just put all the chips in the middle and pray for the ace on the river here.

i don't think coughlin feels the least bit of pressure to do anything in particular with wilson at all

If they lose this game and Wilson is not a factor ...Everyone is going to be calling for Coughlin's head ... It's already starting on the local radio stations and media.

Yeah, B-Deep I'm not sure if you're really from the area or not. But on every local sport media out here in the NY area the questions are already circling the drain as to why Wilson was so criminally under used last week. People talking about how "Well if the running game is this bad, how is putting an old plodder and a 7th round talent out there going to make matters better?". If they lose again this week and Wilson again sees only 7 carries? The NY fans will be out in pitch forks in front of Coughlin's home.