GreenNGold
Footballguy
The reason the NYG are so bad this year is most of their players are about the same quality of player as David Wilson, just terrible. It's a team full of David Wilson's!
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
This is your last chance to get on board. Haterz.
Khy
Footballguy
What would it take? Honestly?Rove! said:
For him to see... Idk lets say 3 games of 20+ touches and him putting up this 3ypc you guys keep quoting.
I feel like that's a reasonable thing to request. To see him in actual consistent action and failing for multiple games. That's a very reasonable request. So far we haven't seen anything even remotely close to that. So while we can't actually 'prove' he's an elite talent past what some of us see on tape. None of you can really prove he's awful either.
You want to claim that his 6 for 16 at 2.6ypc 1TD is 'proof' but I can give you hundreds of game logs from "elite" RBs that had games that started off just like that and ended with stats in the range of 22 for 145yds and 2 TDs.
Everyone keeps claiming that his bad games are proof of him being bad. Because 99% of the people doing so are simply looking at stat lines and ignoring the fact that the Giants are absolutely awful this season. Plain and simple.
Wilson's runs today
1 yard run
5 yard touchdown
4 yard run
4 yard run
5 yard run
-3 yard run
The 1 yard run and the -3 yard run were plays blown up in the backfield. If you watched the game, you'd be aware of that. If you negate those... he averaged 4.5 ypc on 4 runs. Again, it's not a big point of telling. But he was running actually pretty good until he got hurt. He nor any RB really can help having 3 defenders in the backfield before he can even finish securing a handoff.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Those on the outside of the top 10 camp have been right. Khy said he would be top 5, called him elite, compared him to Barry Sanders, etc. He's not alone.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
David Wilson hasn't looked good - he's timid and not an above average NFL RB right now. The fact that his supporters have changed the argument to Wilson vs.
I do think Wilson has a high ceiling. But he's not playing up to it right now, and it's far from a lock that he ever will. His situation sucks - no argument there. But even outside of his situation, there is plenty that is within Wilson's control that he is not doing. He's had chances to break some runs and hasn't done it. Great RBs produce despite the situation. He's not great. He's not elite. I wouldn't even call him good, or above average, even, right now. Not only is he not breaking runs and making plays - he can't be trusted to protect the QB, has ball protection issues, and isn't great out of the backfield. He's average, at best.
All this with Andre Brown coming back in 5 weeks time, likely to a 50/50 split, at worst.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
all i know is i own him and its frustrating as hell...he teases us with his talent but has so many things going against him. I have to just sit on him ,cant trade him and cant drop him
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duaneok66
Footballguy
Amen.Those on the outside of the top 10 camp have been right. Khy said he would be top 5, called him elite, compared him to Barry Sanders, etc. He's not alone.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
Great RBs produce despite the situation.
Rove!
Footballguy
Those on the outside of the top 10 camp have been right. Khy said he would be top 5, called him elite, compared him to Barry Sanders, etc. He's not alone.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
David Wilson hasn't looked good - he's timid and not an above average NFL RB right now. The fact that his supporters have changed the argument to Wilson vs.ScottJacobs is a clear sign that they were wrong. He was going to be up there with Charles, Rice, Foster, etc. Not Brandon Jacobs. The conversation shouldn't be a breakdown of 6 carries in week 5, after 4 weeks of 0 production.
I do think Wilson has a high ceiling. But he's not playing up to it right now, and it's far from a lock that he ever will. His situation sucks - no argument there. But even outside of his situation, there is plenty that is within Wilson's control that he is not doing. He's had chances to break some runs and hasn't done it. Great RBs produce despite the situation. He's not great. He's not elite. I wouldn't even call him good, or above average, even, right now. Not only is he not breaking runs and making plays - he can't be trusted to protect the QB, has ball protection issues, and isn't great out of the backfield. He's average, at best.
All this with Andre Brown coming back in 5 weeks time, likely to a 50/50 split, at worst.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
No terrible posting. Guess what? Every single team and RB in the NFL have plays blown up in the backfield. You can't disregard those just because you want to delude yourself into thinking David Wilson is better than he actually is.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
Khy
Footballguy
I'm not disregarding them...No terrible posting. Guess what? Every single team and RB in the NFL have plays blown up in the backfield. You can't disregard those just because you want to delude yourself into thinking David Wilson is better than he actually is.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
I'm simply saying that a lot of RBs have games start out at 6 for 16 and end with huge stat lines. Most of the 'great' RBs these days aren't volume runners. They are big play runners. ADP, Charles, McCoy, Foster, Bush, Forte etc. very few of them actually take every play for 5 yards or more. Most of them average 1-3 yards per run on 85% of their carries and break 1 or 2 big game changing plays. The problem is we haven't seen Wilson be given the chance to be one of those backs. So to say he is that type of player or isn't that type of player is unfair.
What I'm seeing right now, is I'm saying "He has top talent and hasn't had a chance to show if he can be a top back yet" everyone else is just saying "His chance doesn't matter, he's gotten 5 carries. He should have run for 80 yards clearly. He sucks"
Rove!
Footballguy
do these RBs start every game like this?I'm not disregarding them...No terrible posting. Guess what? Every single team and RB in the NFL have plays blown up in the backfield. You can't disregard those just because you want to delude yourself into thinking David Wilson is better than he actually is.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
I'm simply saying that a lot of RBs have games start out at 6 for 16 and end with huge stat lines. Most of the 'great' RBs these days aren't volume runners. They are big play runners. ADP, Charles, McCoy, Foster, Bush, Forte etc. very few of them actually take every play for 5 yards or more. Most of them average 1-3 yards per run on 85% of their carries and break 1 or 2 big game changing plays. The problem is we haven't seen Wilson be given the chance to be one of those backs. So to say he is that type of player or isn't that type of player is unfair.
What I'm seeing right now, is I'm saying "He has top talent and hasn't had a chance to show if he can be a top back yet" everyone else is just saying "His chance doesn't matter, he's gotten 5 carries. He should have run for 80 yards clearly. He sucks"
I can't tell, honestly, if GreenNGold and Rove! are proudly wielding idiocy or just flat out trolling.
When did the trolls and anti-Wilson crew become more rabid than the Wilson owners? Why the #### is it so hard to have a real discussion on this player without you ######s dragging it through the mud?
When did the trolls and anti-Wilson crew become more rabid than the Wilson owners? Why the #### is it so hard to have a real discussion on this player without you ######s dragging it through the mud?
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
That was the only reason I ever post in this thread. I didn't care about the guy until he was being drafted ahead of starting RBs like S. Green after last preseason. I even read fantasy articles that came to the same conclusuion as me using tape/stats and they still ended with he's elite. Like D. Green said "If you want to crown their asses....."
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Rove!
Footballguy
Then you have all the pissing and moaning blaming everbody from Coughlin to Gilbride to the GM, the O-line, Manning etc; everybody but Wilson for why he isn't producing, as if his plodding production was automatically worthy of more carries. He's gotta move the sticks and keep him team in the game in order to get those carries...
Warrior
Footballguy
don't negate all the "blown up in the backfield" plays of other RBs, just those for David Wilson, right? Like when Shady jukes the rusher and runs for 20 yards. Since, you know, he actually has some talent. But Wilson's should be ignored.
Wilson is garbage. Hot, steaming, flaming garbage. He can't run, he can't pass block, and he can't hold onto the football.
It amazes me that some people still think he's talented. If you don't know this after 20+ games in the NFL, you'll probably never figure it out.
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McCoy last year:
don't negate all the "blown up in the backfield" plays of other RBs, just those for David Wilson, right? Like when Shady jukes the rusher and runs for 20 yards. Since, you know, he actually has some talent. But Wilson's should be ignored.
Wilson is garbage. Hot, steaming, flaming garbage. He can't run, he can't pass block, and he can't hold onto the football.
It amazes me that some people still think he's talented. If you don't know this after 20+ games in the NFL, you'll probably never figure it out.
2012 PHI 12 200 840 4.2 2 67 54 373 6.9 3 151 21
Wilson:
2012 NYG 16 71 358 5.0 4 9 4 34 8.5 1 69 47 0
69 FPT on 71 rushes
vs
151 FPT on 200 rushes
What was the comparison you were trying to make, again?
Khy
Footballguy
Again, you're NOT watching the games if this is the analysis you make.
don't negate all the "blown up in the backfield" plays of other RBs, just those for David Wilson, right? Like when Shady jukes the rusher and runs for 20 yards. Since, you know, he actually has some talent. But Wilson's should be ignored.
Wilson is garbage. Hot, steaming, flaming garbage. He can't run, he can't pass block, and he can't hold onto the football.
It amazes me that some people still think he's talented. If you don't know this after 20+ games in the NFL, you'll probably never figure it out.
Several of Wilson's runs this season have been him breaking 5-6 tackles or making people miss to just get back to the line of scrimmage.
If you guys want to pretend like these are irrelevant things when evaluating him as a player (not fantasy just football) then you're all terrible at evaluating:
- Bad Offensive Line play... not just bad but probably one of the 2-3 worst units in the NFL right now. McCoy, Peterson, Charles would all have issues running behind this line.
- Lopsided play calling. You can 'claim' that Gilbride and Coughlin aren't running a lot with him because they think he sucks. But that's asinine. We've seen issues like this in the past with Ray Rice, Shady and Jamaal Charles and tons of other talented backs. Whom the coaches just didn't give the ball to for reasons that no fan or NFL analyst can figure out. Just because a coach won Super Bowl's doesn't mean they're immune to making stupid decisions.
- Bad luck: This may seem stupid but just hear me out. There's been some really odd swings in these games that have taken the running game out of the equation. Not really 'bad luck' per se. But just those moments where the Giants didn't shoot themselves in the foot, the opposing team didn't make a play, just those things that make you sit back and say "It's just really not going to happen this year, is it?". Examples of this would be, the foot interception, the 3rd and 6 call today where McCoy (think it was him?) literally dropped a pass on the sideline. It was challenged and still not overturned and all the announcers and Mike Perreria were in complete awe and didn't stop talking about how they didn't understand what the ref saw for the next 5-10 minutes of coverage. Things like this that completely change the momentum of a game that were simply out of the teams control.
- His injury. We're hearing it's nothing serious and they sat him for precaution. It was a really weird play, probably should've been a safety. But regardless... they run the ball on the 2 yard line and there's 5 defenders in the backfield before he gets out of the endzone from the handoff. Then gets spun around by 3 different guys and tweaks his neck.
Unfortunately, we cannot put another RB in this situation. But I guarantee you, while say... Peterson would still be Peterson. Anyone would have trouble producing with the way this teams playing. In redraft? Yeah, it's probably time to quit on Wilson. I'm not sure you should drop him just yet as, while the Giants are playing absolutely terrible. This is mostly the same unit that won a Super Bowl two seasons ago. At any point they can get a cattle prod in the ### and wake up and start playing again. And at that point, Wilson will maybe finally get a real chance. In dynasty though, I think you have to be buying him up where ever you possibly can.
Nope doesn't matter how good you are if your team and Oline suck ... Here's a few pretty good RBs that are struggling because of their situationsAmen.Those on the outside of the top 10 camp have been right. Khy said he would be top 5, called him elite, compared him to Barry Sanders, etc. He's not alone.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
Great RBs produce despite the situation.
Ray Rice
Jones-Drew
Chris Johnson
Doug Martin
Foster
Ridley
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Take Ridley off that list. The Patriots O-Line has been greatNope doesn't matter how good you are if your team and Oline suck ... Here's a few pretty good RBs that are struggling because of their situationsAmen.Those on the outside of the top 10 camp have been right. Khy said he would be top 5, called him elite, compared him to Barry Sanders, etc. He's not alone.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
Great RBs produce despite the situation.
Ray Rice
Jones-Drew
Chris Johnson
Doug Martin
Foster
Ridley
They've been below average rushing and scoringTake Ridley off that list. The Patriots O-Line has been greatNope doesn't matter how good you are if your team and Oline suck ... Here's a few pretty good RBs that are struggling because of their situationsAmen.Those on the outside of the top 10 camp have been right. Khy said he would be top 5, called him elite, compared him to Barry Sanders, etc. He's not alone.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
Great RBs produce despite the situation.
Ray Rice
Jones-Drew
Chris Johnson
Doug Martin
Foster
Ridley
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Maybe you should check your facts again, they rank 14th in rushing with 116 yards per game.They've been below average rushing and scoringTake Ridley off that list. The Patriots O-Line has been greatNope doesn't matter how good you are if your team and Oline suck ... Here's a few pretty good RBs that are struggling because of their situationsAmen.Those on the outside of the top 10 camp have been right. Khy said he would be top 5, called him elite, compared him to Barry Sanders, etc. He's not alone.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
Great RBs produce despite the situation.
Ray Rice
Jones-Drew
Chris Johnson
Doug Martin
Foster
Ridley
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Ever see Barry Sanders team/O-Line?Again, you're NOT watching the games if this is the analysis you make.
don't negate all the "blown up in the backfield" plays of other RBs, just those for David Wilson, right? Like when Shady jukes the rusher and runs for 20 yards. Since, you know, he actually has some talent. But Wilson's should be ignored.
Wilson is garbage. Hot, steaming, flaming garbage. He can't run, he can't pass block, and he can't hold onto the football.
It amazes me that some people still think he's talented. If you don't know this after 20+ games in the NFL, you'll probably never figure it out.
Several of Wilson's runs this season have been him breaking 5-6 tackles or making people miss to just get back to the line of scrimmage.
If you guys want to pretend like these are irrelevant things when evaluating him as a player (not fantasy just football) then you're all terrible at evaluating:
- Bad Offensive Line play... not just bad but probably one of the 2-3 worst units in the NFL right now. McCoy, Peterson, Charles would all have issues running behind this line.
- Lopsided play calling. You can 'claim' that Gilbride and Coughlin aren't running a lot with him because they think he sucks. But that's asinine. We've seen issues like this in the past with Ray Rice, Shady and Jamaal Charles and tons of other talented backs. Whom the coaches just didn't give the ball to for reasons that no fan or NFL analyst can figure out. Just because a coach won Super Bowl's doesn't mean they're immune to making stupid decisions.
- Bad luck: This may seem stupid but just hear me out. There's been some really odd swings in these games that have taken the running game out of the equation. Not really 'bad luck' per se. But just those moments where the Giants didn't shoot themselves in the foot, the opposing team didn't make a play, just those things that make you sit back and say "It's just really not going to happen this year, is it?". Examples of this would be, the foot interception, the 3rd and 6 call today where McCoy (think it was him?) literally dropped a pass on the sideline. It was challenged and still not overturned and all the announcers and Mike Perreria were in complete awe and didn't stop talking about how they didn't understand what the ref saw for the next 5-10 minutes of coverage. Things like this that completely change the momentum of a game that were simply out of the teams control.
- His injury. We're hearing it's nothing serious and they sat him for precaution. It was a really weird play, probably should've been a safety. But regardless... they run the ball on the 2 yard line and there's 5 defenders in the backfield before he gets out of the endzone from the handoff. Then gets spun around by 3 different guys and tweaks his neck.
Unfortunately, we cannot put another RB in this situation. But I guarantee you, while say... Peterson would still be Peterson. Anyone would have trouble producing with the way this teams playing. In redraft? Yeah, it's probably time to quit on Wilson. I'm not sure you should drop him just yet as, while the Giants are playing absolutely terrible. This is mostly the same unit that won a Super Bowl two seasons ago. At any point they can get a cattle prod in the ### and wake up and start playing again. And at that point, Wilson will maybe finally get a real chance. In dynasty though, I think you have to be buying him up where ever you possibly can.
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And they're tied for 15th rush avg, tied for 26th with 1 rushing TD and are 23rd points per game ... so like I said below averageMaybe you should check your facts again, they rank 14th in rushing with 116 yards per game.They've been below average rushing and scoringTake Ridley off that list. The Patriots O-Line has been greatNope doesn't matter how good you are if your team and Oline suck ... Here's a few pretty good RBs that are struggling because of their situationsAmen.Those on the outside of the top 10 camp have been right. Khy said he would be top 5, called him elite, compared him to Barry Sanders, etc. He's not alone.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
Great RBs produce despite the situation.
Ray Rice
Jones-Drew
Chris Johnson
Doug Martin
Foster
Ridley
msudaisy26
Footballguy
He made his o-line better but lets not kid ourselves he had some good offensive linemen. The reason people always threw out that argument back then is because of the Barry vs. E. Smith debate. The Cowboys had the best line in the league but the Lions line wasn't horrible.Ever see Barry Sanders team/O-Line?Again, you're NOT watching the games if this is the analysis you make.
don't negate all the "blown up in the backfield" plays of other RBs, just those for David Wilson, right? Like when Shady jukes the rusher and runs for 20 yards. Since, you know, he actually has some talent. But Wilson's should be ignored.
Wilson is garbage. Hot, steaming, flaming garbage. He can't run, he can't pass block, and he can't hold onto the football.
It amazes me that some people still think he's talented. If you don't know this after 20+ games in the NFL, you'll probably never figure it out.
Several of Wilson's runs this season have been him breaking 5-6 tackles or making people miss to just get back to the line of scrimmage.
If you guys want to pretend like these are irrelevant things when evaluating him as a player (not fantasy just football) then you're all terrible at evaluating:
- Bad Offensive Line play... not just bad but probably one of the 2-3 worst units in the NFL right now. McCoy, Peterson, Charles would all have issues running behind this line.
- Lopsided play calling. You can 'claim' that Gilbride and Coughlin aren't running a lot with him because they think he sucks. But that's asinine. We've seen issues like this in the past with Ray Rice, Shady and Jamaal Charles and tons of other talented backs. Whom the coaches just didn't give the ball to for reasons that no fan or NFL analyst can figure out. Just because a coach won Super Bowl's doesn't mean they're immune to making stupid decisions.
- Bad luck: This may seem stupid but just hear me out. There's been some really odd swings in these games that have taken the running game out of the equation. Not really 'bad luck' per se. But just those moments where the Giants didn't shoot themselves in the foot, the opposing team didn't make a play, just those things that make you sit back and say "It's just really not going to happen this year, is it?". Examples of this would be, the foot interception, the 3rd and 6 call today where McCoy (think it was him?) literally dropped a pass on the sideline. It was challenged and still not overturned and all the announcers and Mike Perreria were in complete awe and didn't stop talking about how they didn't understand what the ref saw for the next 5-10 minutes of coverage. Things like this that completely change the momentum of a game that were simply out of the teams control.
- His injury. We're hearing it's nothing serious and they sat him for precaution. It was a really weird play, probably should've been a safety. But regardless... they run the ball on the 2 yard line and there's 5 defenders in the backfield before he gets out of the endzone from the handoff. Then gets spun around by 3 different guys and tweaks his neck.
Unfortunately, we cannot put another RB in this situation. But I guarantee you, while say... Peterson would still be Peterson. Anyone would have trouble producing with the way this teams playing. In redraft? Yeah, it's probably time to quit on Wilson. I'm not sure you should drop him just yet as, while the Giants are playing absolutely terrible. This is mostly the same unit that won a Super Bowl two seasons ago. At any point they can get a cattle prod in the ### and wake up and start playing again. And at that point, Wilson will maybe finally get a real chance. In dynasty though, I think you have to be buying him up where ever you possibly can.
Lomas Brown 7 pro bowls and 1 all pro all with the Lions except the last one.
Kevin Glover 3 pro bowls all with the Lions
To name a couple
msudaisy26
Footballguy
They average 4.2 as a team, Ridley is averaging 3.7. It isn't the Patriots line, it is Ridley. Actually they average 4.4 without Ridley. It is mostly himAnd they're tied for 15th rush avg, tied for 26th with 1 rushing TD and are 23rd points per game ... so like I said below averageMaybe you should check your facts again, they rank 14th in rushing with 116 yards per game.They've been below average rushing and scoringTake Ridley off that list. The Patriots O-Line has been greatNope doesn't matter how good you are if your team and Oline suck ... Here's a few pretty good RBs that are struggling because of their situationsAmen.Those on the outside of the top 10 camp have been right. Khy said he would be top 5, called him elite, compared him to Barry Sanders, etc. He's not alone.
But just save your time, no one cares about what actually happened. People just care about being right and coming to the boards and proclaiming their excellence, or trolling to get response out of people and feel better about themselves.
Great RBs produce despite the situation.
Ray Rice
Jones-Drew
Chris Johnson
Doug Martin
Foster
Ridley
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
If only Wilson could play against the worst defense in NFL history so often every year!
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I can't wait until they move past denial and on to anger. Bargaining will be fun too. Anything but acceptance - that can wait.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
You really should not be asking the people who are proven to be clinically insane for their opinion.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I would still expect a first and a prospect for him. Like a Robert Woods, Kenaan Allen. As a contender I am not sure what I would be looking for.
Ray Rice -not struggling
Jones-Drew - terrible team and he's done
Chris Johnson - ok team - he is fading for sure
Doug Martin - terrible team
Foster - splitting snaps and bad team
Ridley -mediocre NFL rb
Any moron would re-value these guys as
Rice
CJ/Foster
nothing else matters unless ou are in a 16 team league
I have gore
I wouldn't trade him for Martin or ridley and prolly not for Foster.
Jones-Drew - terrible team and he's done
Chris Johnson - ok team - he is fading for sure
Doug Martin - terrible team
Foster - splitting snaps and bad team
Ridley -mediocre NFL rb
Any moron would re-value these guys as
Rice
CJ/Foster
nothing else matters unless ou are in a 16 team league
I have gore
I wouldn't trade him for Martin or ridley and prolly not for Foster.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Ray Rice is struggling this year. He is averaging under 3 yards a carry
MJD has lead the league in rushing on a bad team before, he is struggling it could be age and injury
Martin I am unsure about it could be the team but we will have to wait and see
Foster is struggling too, his YPC has been in decline for 3 years now. His team isn't helping but he is still struggling
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
One of those runs should have been a safety. #justsaying
don't negate all the "blown up in the backfield" plays of other RBs, just those for David Wilson, right? Like when Shady jukes the rusher and runs for 20 yards. Since, you know, he actually has some talent. But Wilson's should be ignored.
Wilson is garbage. Hot, steaming, flaming garbage. He can't run, he can't pass block, and he can't hold onto the football.
It amazes me that some people still think he's talented. If you don't know this after 20+ games in the NFL, you'll probably never figure it out.
Khy
Footballguy
I'll agree I thought it should have been a safety as well. He shed contact and took turned around to begin turning up field. If he had shed that guy and then proceeded to run for a 98 yard touchdown they wouldn't have called the play dead with forward progress. Therefore it should've been a safety. The only argument I could see being made against a safety was while he did shed one contact he was hit again while the guy he was shedding still had contact on him. Regardless though, the calls in that game were terrible. That officiating staff should be fired. The amount of missed holding calls on the Eagles were ridiculous and that one sideline catch that was reviewed and not overturned was baffling to say the least. Both analysts and Mike Pereria were in awe and had no actual words for how that wasn't called incomplete. There was also a missed facemask call on Eli that would have been a huge deal if it were actually called. I've seen some terribly officiated games in my life, but that was one of the worst I recall in recent memory.One of those runs should have been a safety. #justsaying
don't negate all the "blown up in the backfield" plays of other RBs, just those for David Wilson, right? Like when Shady jukes the rusher and runs for 20 yards. Since, you know, he actually has some talent. But Wilson's should be ignored.
Wilson is garbage. Hot, steaming, flaming garbage. He can't run, he can't pass block, and he can't hold onto the football.
It amazes me that some people still think he's talented. If you don't know this after 20+ games in the NFL, you'll probably never figure it out.
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That's the thing that kills me the most...at this point I'm thinking about packaging him with Kaep and hoping someone will mistake my bag of #### for potential and give me a serviceable QB
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LinusMarr
Footballguy
Khy
Footballguy
Being honest? After Week 2 I traded away my 2014 First Round pick and Ahmad Bradshaw + Vick Ballard for Wilson. This is in my 16 team dynasty league. Being honest? I love this trade still. Regardless of the fact that Bradshaw is once again injured. My team is in what should be hopefully it's final rebuilding year... I've made some moves this season to hopefully set me up for the long run. I was really weak on RBs coming into the season. My 1st rounder should probably be a mid-late pick, somewhere in the 8-12 range of the 16 pick first round. I'd be extremely hard pressed to get someone of Wilson's talent at that pick going into the 2014 season. Especially at RB which is far and away my worst position. Although, things in my opinion are trending up. I traded for Wilson for scraps + 1st rounder, and traded up in the draft to grab Andre Ellington at 3.11 because I loved what he showed in college.
While Wilson is struggling, I don't expect the Giants to be this bad again next season. So while I'm starting to think he may be drop able in redraft soon (although I'm still holding as I have the bench room and the upside is still there if by some miracle things are turned around), in dynasty I'm still buying for a 1st rounder if I can get him.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
So all the non believers, at least one of whom is literally calling David Wilson believers clinically insane, based on ALL of us playing FANTASY football and comments made on a message board, are you really looking at that game on Sunday where he got injured very early on and saying, "See, I told you so?"
I would think the sane and logical would at least look at that as a wash based on injury and move on to next week. But no, the Wilson owners are insane, right?
I would think the sane and logical would at least look at that as a wash based on injury and move on to next week. But no, the Wilson owners are insane, right?
Khy
Footballguy
It's like Phenix in the Brian Hoyer thread, after Hoyer tore his ACL he went in there and posted "I told you so, this is what you get for starting a Cleveland QB". As I've been saying this whole thread... hindsight makes a lot of really ignorant posters into amazing NFL analysts.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
This isn't a 6 carry sample size. We're 5 weeks in. He's done nothing. His best run was a 2 yard effort in which he was running for the sidelines.
The argument went from Wilson vs. Charles/Rice/Foster/McCoy, to Wilson vs. Jacobs/Scott.
The haters were told that this was the week - that they cut Scott becuase they trust Wilson and he's the guy. Even before the injury, that wasn't the case. It was a 50/50 split. If he can't demand 70% from Brandon Jacobs, I don't think he can demand 60% from Andre Brown.
He isn't trusted to block, catch the football, or protect the QB. And the one area in which we've been told he's 'elite' - he's done nothing more than FA level talents like Jacobs and Scott.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
No, it actually involves five straight weeks of not only Wilson, but also the Giants' other RBs and most importantly their offensive line, being not just bad, but basically being the absolute worst ground game, as a whole, in the entire NFL. Anyone who continues to start Wilson, with or without confidence, continuing to think "this is the week" is pretty delusional.
Khy
Footballguy
Umm, false? There were a total of 14 offensive snaps in the game prior to Wilson's injury. He was on the field for 10 of those 14 snaps and saw 6 carries (here's a hint, they were featuring him).
So he saw... 71.42% of the snaps (seems demanding) and on the 14 offensive snaps they played he touched the ball 6 times and was targeted once in the passing game for a total of him being 50% of the offensive focus in the first quarter.
Once again, (shocking) someone spitting out numbers that they are simply making up. Please, if you're not going to actually watch the games or look up stats, stop commenting like you know what you're talking about.
He was on pace for about 24 carries in the game and being that the game remained close until the end probably would have realistically approached those kind of numbers.
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Khy
Footballguy
As I posted above, prior to his injury... he was on track for a "this is the week" type of play. He was seeing 70% of the snaps, was left in on passing downs and saw 6 carries of the football on 14 offensive snaps in the first quarter. He was on pace to see 24 carries in the game against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. We know he's a back who often relies on the 'big play' but really, 4 of his 6 carries were really solid 4-5 yard carries. The worst of which was the carry that should have been ruled a safety where he was wrapped up in the backfield as soon as he took the handoff.
To say ignore the fact that he was on pace for 70% of the work is foolish though.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Can someone verify this? I'm looking at the play by play on NFL.com, and it shows that Wilson got the bulk of the touches before he went down. But on plays were Eli through a pass to someone other than Wilson, I can't derive from the play by play who was in at RB. And I skipped about the last 6 pages of this thread. Had a marathon weekend and didn't feel like catching up. This was probably already covered.
