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***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (3 Viewers)
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BustedKnuckles
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this thread is parallel to Wilsons career.....dying a slow painful death
TheFanatic
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Jacobs ran like a beast. But how long can he do that for?
Raiderfan32904
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1-4 WIlson owner in my league finally gave up. Dumped him and picked up Jacobs and started him. He's off to a nice start.
Some guys you hold onto, waiting for the payoff. And by then it's too late.
Some guys you hold onto, waiting for the payoff. And by then it's too late.
Banger
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TheFanatic
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Talking it might be Spinal Stenosis. That could mean the end of his career... Yet I feel that this thread might last longer than his playing days!
Khy
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Concept Coop
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I Google'd and only found one mention of it from a guy I've never heard of: Dave Richards. Anyone else reporting this?
Khy
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David Wilson told reporters Friday doctors fear he suffers from spinal stenosis, and may miss the season's remainder.
He's got bigger problems than the rest of this year, if the initial diagnosis is true. Wilson will get a second opinion on his neck/spine Monday. Spinal stenosis has been known to shorten NFL careers, like that of former Redskins LT Chris Samuels. The 32nd overall pick in the 2012 NFL draft, Wilson has rushed 115 times for 504 yards (4.4 YPC) and five touchdowns through two NFL seasons. He led the NFL in kickoff return yardage as a rookie last year.
Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter
Oct 11 - 3:52 PM
David Wilson himself is reporting it apparently.
Isn't he the CBS fantasy guy?
Concept Coop
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rocketsauce
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This is the diagnosis that ended Cooper Manning's career. I'd imagine it depends on the severity, but the way I understood it -- this isn't a football injury, this is a condition.
Concept Coop
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He is. Don't know anything about him, other than that. Don't remember hearing his name before.
Khy
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From what I understand yeah, it's a condition in your spine. He's likely had it for a long time and it was simply aggravated with this injury and discovered during his x-ray's and MRI's. Jene Bramel tweeted out that it really depends on the degree of narrowing in his spine. I suppose this is a condition where if it's only a mild narrowing it's something he'd be safe to play through. But if it's severe enough he'd be at risk of paralyzing himself.
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BustedKnuckles
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tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick ........
tdhartis
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So, he already received the initial diagnosis of spinal stenosis. The fact that Wilson has any optimism of playing again this season, as evidenced by him saying, "”best-case scenario I’ll be back on the field (next Monday) to play the Minnesota Vikings", tells me that the initial diagnosis wasn't entirely certain that it should be season ending.
Julio's initial diagnosis was that the injury was season ending, but he didn't come out with optimism that he was going to play the next week. Plus, from the little I've read into this condition it seems like the varying degrees of severity can have a great effect on the diagnosis and is something that could vary the outlook more from doctor-to-doctor. A broken screw/foot is pretty cut and dry if that makes sense.
I'm pretty convinced he's going to be out for the rest of the season, but the analysis above just points out there are some signs there is some uncertainty involved for those holding out hope.
Julio's initial diagnosis was that the injury was season ending, but he didn't come out with optimism that he was going to play the next week. Plus, from the little I've read into this condition it seems like the varying degrees of severity can have a great effect on the diagnosis and is something that could vary the outlook more from doctor-to-doctor. A broken screw/foot is pretty cut and dry if that makes sense.
I'm pretty convinced he's going to be out for the rest of the season, but the analysis above just points out there are some signs there is some uncertainty involved for those holding out hope.
tdhartis
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Ding! Are you just hanging around so you can have your big "told you so moment"?
Khy
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I've been waiting for that...
"haha, David Wilson is out for life. Told you so. Guppies!"
Concept Coop
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I've been trying to find this answer on my own and the information is all over the place.
This is something he could play with, depending on severity, right?
This is something he could play with, depending on severity, right?
tdhartis
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From the research I've done since the news broke, yes. You are correct.
@JeneBramel:
"Can’t put pct on likelihood Wilson returns now or future. Very dependent on degree of stenosis, length of sx. Neither known right now."
"Also some controversy over what degree of stenosis likely to lead to future symptoms. Certainly possible Wilson has career-threatening dx."
In response to FBG user @Khyy's question, "Does Spinal Stenosis likely spell end of Wilson's career?":
"Complicated question. Depends on degree of narrowing. RT"
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tdhartis
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He also posted an article he wrote about Jarvis Jones, who has been diagnosed with the condition, that sheds some light on the complicated issue of determining whether a player is fit to continue playing even with it:
http://bramelsecondopinion.com/2013/02/21/combine-medical-spotlight-jarvis-jones/
And, Wilson's reaction to hearing the results of the initial diagnosis:
"All my physical strength, passed all the physical tests everything is regular with me,'' Wilson said. "I feel perfectly fine but the X-rays, one of the vertebrae was closer to my spinal cord and they said that’s a caution thing. I feel like none of our spines are lined up perfect, especially after years of playing football. We all got something here and there.'
http://bramelsecondopinion.com/2013/02/21/combine-medical-spotlight-jarvis-jones/
And, Wilson's reaction to hearing the results of the initial diagnosis:
"All my physical strength, passed all the physical tests everything is regular with me,'' Wilson said. "I feel perfectly fine but the X-rays, one of the vertebrae was closer to my spinal cord and they said that’s a caution thing. I feel like none of our spines are lined up perfect, especially after years of playing football. We all got something here and there.'
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Khy
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I like that Wilson's remaining optimistic. Although, even if the second opinion is good news. I'm kind of hoping (as a Giants fan and dynasty owner in several leagues) that they IR him for the season. Allow him to take any surgeries that may help the situation and allow more time for opinions to be formed by other doctors.
tdhartis
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I may be wrong, but from what I've been able to gather, the location the condition is affecting determines whether it is operable or not. So, there's a possibility it's not something that could be repaired through surgery depending on the region it affects, in which it seems like it would be up to him and the doctors to determine whether he should risk playing "through" it.
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msudaisy26
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I think the Wilson lovers and haters can agree that we hope this injury isn't career threatening. We all want to be able to say I told you so, but not at the expense of someone getting this severely injured.
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T with T
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this is also another good article on how lot's of players have played through it. He is at no more risk then the next guy...
http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/sports/2013-01-23/the-nfl-beat-spinal-stenosis/
T with T
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He will be able to play, trust me, Jarvis Jones has the same thing and is playing... they are just gonna be cautious KHY.... you were bumping wilson 15 pages ago saying how great he was not you are happy he's hurt. Your a hypocrite.Imagine how he must feel right now? He feels 100% fine according to him and every doctor is saying "Yeah, but you can't play". It's gotta be a pretty awful feeling for someone whose life is this game.phrozen said:very sad newsI hope he can play again someday
I think I missed somethingHe will be able to play, trust me, Jarvis Jones has the same thing and is playing... they are just gonna be cautious KHY.... you were bumping wilson 15 pages ago saying how great he was not you are happy he's hurt. Your a hypocrite.Imagine how he must feel right now? He feels 100% fine according to him and every doctor is saying "Yeah, but you can't play". It's gotta be a pretty awful feeling for someone whose life is this game.phrozen said:very sad news
msudaisy26
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I really hope this is true, not just because I own him. It is sad when a person loses their profession to an injury or illness.
Nemesis
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As I follow this, I have a personal attachment to this situation as I sit here 30 days post-op from a neck surgery to alleviate stenosis in my own neck.
However, my neck stenosis was a little different in that it was forminal stenosis (narrowing of the nerve holes exiting the SIDES of each vertebrae) as opposed to David Wilson's spinal stenosis (narrowing of the spinal cord column in the BACK of a person's neck). The surgery that I had was a 3 level ACDF (Anterior Cervical Discectomy Fusion) of the 4th, 5th, and 6th cervical discs where they went in thru the front of my neck and removed 3 discs and inserted plastic spacers where the discs used to be and immobilized it with titanium bracket/screws. From what I've heard and read, Peyton Manning actually had a 1 level ACDF surgery the year that he sat out, but it was never reported or published as a "fusion".....it was always reported that he had 3 or 4 neck surgeries.
In David Wilson's case, I have to say that Spinal Stenosis is much more dangerous b/c it involves the spinal cord and the risk of possible paralysis. In his case, I think it is his VERTEBRAE......not a slipped or ruptured DISC that could cause impingement on the spinal cord. So I don't know the surgical procedure that they are talking about performing. (does anybody know the actual procedure that has been presented to him?)
Also, I do believe that Spinal Stenosis is what ended Mike Alstott's career.
However, my neck stenosis was a little different in that it was forminal stenosis (narrowing of the nerve holes exiting the SIDES of each vertebrae) as opposed to David Wilson's spinal stenosis (narrowing of the spinal cord column in the BACK of a person's neck). The surgery that I had was a 3 level ACDF (Anterior Cervical Discectomy Fusion) of the 4th, 5th, and 6th cervical discs where they went in thru the front of my neck and removed 3 discs and inserted plastic spacers where the discs used to be and immobilized it with titanium bracket/screws. From what I've heard and read, Peyton Manning actually had a 1 level ACDF surgery the year that he sat out, but it was never reported or published as a "fusion".....it was always reported that he had 3 or 4 neck surgeries.
In David Wilson's case, I have to say that Spinal Stenosis is much more dangerous b/c it involves the spinal cord and the risk of possible paralysis. In his case, I think it is his VERTEBRAE......not a slipped or ruptured DISC that could cause impingement on the spinal cord. So I don't know the surgical procedure that they are talking about performing. (does anybody know the actual procedure that has been presented to him?)
Also, I do believe that Spinal Stenosis is what ended Mike Alstott's career.
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I don't think anyone has specifically said what the problem is ... It sounds like there are many different causes (Inherited, Trauma, Degenerative) so it's almost impossible to even speculate.
Wow! Very interesting post ... How are you doing following the surgery?
Here's a good link about Spinal Stenosis ... though you probably already know more about it than you'd like to.
http://www.niams.nih.gov/Health_Info/Spinal_Stenosis/
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BustedKnuckles
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David E. Wilson @4stillRunning13 Oct
4those who dont know I feel absolutely NO pain I feel perfectly fine, passed all test, CTscan in NY show concern only reason Im not playin
4those who dont know I feel absolutely NO pain I feel perfectly fine, passed all test, CTscan in NY show concern only reason Im not playin
