***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

David E. Wilson ‏@4stillRunning13 Oct
4those who dont know I feel absolutely NO pain I feel perfectly fine, passed all test, CTscan in NY show concern only reason Im not playin

Thanks for posting, I don't have tweeter

FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports Dr. Robert Watkins did not recommend surgery for David Wilson (neck).

As Garafolo noted, it's obviously good news. Surgery would almost certainly end Wilson's season. There's still no timetable for Wilson's return, but he did say last Friday that he's "hoping and praying" that he'll receive clearance for Week 7. The more likely scenario is that Wilson misses 2-3 more games. Brandon Jacobs and Michael Cox will fill in for as long as Wilson is sidelined.

 

[Khy]

David E. Wilson ‏@4stillRunning13 Oct
4those who dont know I feel absolutely NO pain I feel perfectly fine, passed all test, CTscan in NY show concern only reason Im not playin

Thanks for posting, I don't have tweeter

FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports Dr. Robert Watkins did not recommend surgery for David Wilson (neck).

As Garafolo noted, it's obviously good news. Surgery would almost certainly end Wilson's season. There's still no timetable for Wilson's return, but he did say last Friday that he's "hoping and praying" that he'll receive clearance for Week 7. The more likely scenario is that Wilson misses 2-3 more games. Brandon Jacobs and Michael Cox will fill in for as long as Wilson is sidelined.

This all sounds like really good news, considering a few days ago people were talking about how this could be career threatening.

 

[monk]

David E. Wilson ‏@4stillRunning13 Oct
4those who dont know I feel absolutely NO pain I feel perfectly fine, passed all test, CTscan in NY show concern only reason Im not playin

Thanks for posting, I don't have tweeter

FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports Dr. Robert Watkins did not recommend surgery for David Wilson (neck).

As Garafolo noted, it's obviously good news. Surgery would almost certainly end Wilson's season. There's still no timetable for Wilson's return, but he did say last Friday that he's "hoping and praying" that he'll receive clearance for Week 7. The more likely scenario is that Wilson misses 2-3 more games. Brandon Jacobs and Michael Cox will fill in for as long as Wilson is sidelined.

That's awesome news ...But why 2 or 3 weeks? He feels fine and he doesn't need surgery whats going to change between now and 3 weeks?

 

[werdnoynek]

David E. Wilson ‏@4stillRunning13 Oct
4those who dont know I feel absolutely NO pain I feel perfectly fine, passed all test, CTscan in NY show concern only reason Im not playin

Thanks for posting, I don't have tweeter

FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports Dr. Robert Watkins did not recommend surgery for David Wilson (neck).

As Garafolo noted, it's obviously good news. Surgery would almost certainly end Wilson's season. There's still no timetable for Wilson's return, but he did say last Friday that he's "hoping and praying" that he'll receive clearance for Week 7. The more likely scenario is that Wilson misses 2-3 more games. Brandon Jacobs and Michael Cox will fill in for as long as Wilson is sidelined.

That's awesome news ...But why 2 or 3 weeks? He feels fine and he doesn't need surgery whats going to change between now and 3 weeks?

Coughlin getting canned perhaps?

 

[Interseptopus]

This sounds more like spondylolithesis than spinal stenosis in my professional opinion.

Spondy is basically when the vertebral facets that form the joints in the spine fracture. This happens frequently to women > men and more with individuals in gymnastics, dance, or even wrestling. It is something the person is stuck with forever. It happens more in the lumbar spine than the cervical spine. It can be stable, or it can cause a vertebral segment to shift forward/backward causing a narrowing on the spinal column, which could appear to be spinal stenosis. Again, it happens more in the lumbar spine, but I have seen it in the cervical spine as well

Spinal stenosis is, as mentioned previously, a condition that one is born with and it may or may not get worse over time. This usually is not a problem unless you are hurt and edema gets into the spinal column, which since it's already compromised structurally, the symptoms are magnified and last longer.

Wilson's injury sounds more like its one vertebrae. If that's the case, it's not common to have spinal stenosis on one segment of your spinal column. It's more of a spondy.

That being said, if he has a spondy, I can't imagine he would want to play with it. Sure, he feels great, but he's one hit away from being paralyzed (yes, all football players are).

Look at it this way: manning to play with a fused spine is extremely risky. People not in health care and familiar with this issue have no idea how amazing it is that he is playing, much less looking like he's 28 again on the field. To not fuse this segment is extremely risky as well.

I didn't examine Wilson, so take my opinion for what it's worth, but I'm surprised he would be cleared to play if there is any evidence of instability of the spine. Spondy can be fused, and usually isn't done until the vertebral segment is close to falling off the column from slipping too far one way or the other. Bt that's in the normal population. Wilson's neck is subject to the forces of a car accident every time he touches the ball and is hit.

I'm considering dropping him in my league.

Andre brown is coming back soon, Jacobs looks fairly good but he is not going to repeat that any time soon IMO (see James Starks earlier this season).

I could use the roster space and I'm not going to want to deal with this headache the rest of the season.

Wilson may be cleared to play and may want to play, but the coach may not play him. The coach may not want that hanging over his head if Wilson does get seriously injured. Same situation happened in GB, Nick Collins was hurt and it was found he had stenosis. He was cleared to play but McCarthy said he wouldn't play him, so he was let go. I could see the same thing happening with Wilson.

Sometimes there are more important things than football and winning. Life and family trump all

 

[weebs]

This sounds more like spondylolithesis than spinal stenosis in my professional opinion.

Spondy is basically when the vertebral facets that form the joints in the spine fracture. This happens frequently to women > men and more with individuals in gymnastics, dance, or even wrestling. It is something the person is stuck with forever. It happens more in the lumbar spine than the cervical spine. It can be stable, or it can cause a vertebral segment to shift forward/backward causing a narrowing on the spinal column, which could appear to be spinal stenosis. Again, it happens more in the lumbar spine, but I have seen it in the cervical spine as well

Spinal stenosis is, as mentioned previously, a condition that one is born with and it may or may not get worse over time. This usually is not a problem unless you are hurt and edema gets into the spinal column, which since it's already compromised structurally, the symptoms are magnified and last longer.

Wilson's injury sounds more like its one vertebrae. If that's the case, it's not common to have spinal stenosis on one segment of your spinal column. It's more of a spondy.

That being said, if he has a spondy, I can't imagine he would want to play with it. Sure, he feels great, but he's one hit away from being paralyzed (yes, all football players are).

Look at it this way: manning to play with a fused spine is extremely risky. People not in health care and familiar with this issue have no idea how amazing it is that he is playing, much less looking like he's 28 again on the field. To not fuse this segment is extremely risky as well.

I didn't examine Wilson, so take my opinion for what it's worth, but I'm surprised he would be cleared to play if there is any evidence of instability of the spine. Spondy can be fused, and usually isn't done until the vertebral segment is close to falling off the column from slipping too far one way or the other. Bt that's in the normal population. Wilson's neck is subject to the forces of a car accident every time he touches the ball and is hit.

I'm considering dropping him in my league.

Andre brown is coming back soon, Jacobs looks fairly good but he is not going to repeat that any time soon IMO (see James Starks earlier this season).

I could use the roster space and I'm not going to want to deal with this headache the rest of the season.

Wilson may be cleared to play and may want to play, but the coach may not play him. The coach may not want that hanging over his head if Wilson does get seriously injured. Same situation happened in GB, Nick Collins was hurt and it was found he had stenosis. He was cleared to play but McCarthy said he wouldn't play him, so he was let go. I could see the same thing happening with Wilson.

Sometimes there are more important things than football and winning. Life and family trump all

Jacobs is not going to repeat any time soon? Try this week against a soft defense on prime time tv.

 

[qimqam]

Jacobs has a strained hamstring. The Giants are getting Cox involved this week in practice and they are trying out a few RBs this week

 

[Interseptopus]

This sounds more like spondylolithesis than spinal stenosis in my professional opinion.

Spondy is basically when the vertebral facets that form the joints in the spine fracture. This happens frequently to women > men and more with individuals in gymnastics, dance, or even wrestling. It is something the person is stuck with forever. It happens more in the lumbar spine than the cervical spine. It can be stable, or it can cause a vertebral segment to shift forward/backward causing a narrowing on the spinal column, which could appear to be spinal stenosis. Again, it happens more in the lumbar spine, but I have seen it in the cervical spine as well

Spinal stenosis is, as mentioned previously, a condition that one is born with and it may or may not get worse over time. This usually is not a problem unless you are hurt and edema gets into the spinal column, which since it's already compromised structurally, the symptoms are magnified and last longer.

Wilson's injury sounds more like its one vertebrae. If that's the case, it's not common to have spinal stenosis on one segment of your spinal column. It's more of a spondy.

That being said, if he has a spondy, I can't imagine he would want to play with it. Sure, he feels great, but he's one hit away from being paralyzed (yes, all football players are).

Look at it this way: manning to play with a fused spine is extremely risky. People not in health care and familiar with this issue have no idea how amazing it is that he is playing, much less looking like he's 28 again on the field. To not fuse this segment is extremely risky as well.

I didn't examine Wilson, so take my opinion for what it's worth, but I'm surprised he would be cleared to play if there is any evidence of instability of the spine. Spondy can be fused, and usually isn't done until the vertebral segment is close to falling off the column from slipping too far one way or the other. Bt that's in the normal population. Wilson's neck is subject to the forces of a car accident every time he touches the ball and is hit.

I'm considering dropping him in my league.

Andre brown is coming back soon, Jacobs looks fairly good but he is not going to repeat that any time soon IMO (see James Starks earlier this season).

I could use the roster space and I'm not going to want to deal with this headache the rest of the season.

Wilson may be cleared to play and may want to play, but the coach may not play him. The coach may not want that hanging over his head if Wilson does get seriously injured. Same situation happened in GB, Nick Collins was hurt and it was found he had stenosis. He was cleared to play but McCarthy said he wouldn't play him, so he was let go. I could see the same thing happening with Wilson.

Sometimes there are more important things than football and winning. Life and family trump all

Jacobs is not going to repeat any time soon? Try this week against a soft defense on prime time tv.

I'd say it was more if a fluke performance. He is also hurt.

If I am wrong I'll gladly admit it, it's just my opinion. Too many people on here are too passionate about their opinions. You have yours and I will respectfully disagree. If Jacobs has another good game, great. I'll stick to medical predictions rather than stat predictions then. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, but I just don't see it happening. He couldn't even make it through 1 game without getting hurt

 

[wudaben]

Looks like this bandwagon is completely broken down in redraft...

Per Rotoworld

"David Wilson told reporters Friday he doesn't anticipate any further news on his neck injury "for a month."
Wilson is riding an exercise bike on the side of practices in hopes of a late-season return, and "insists he feels fine." The one-month mark would put Wilson at November 18 -- just ahead of Week 12. Fantasy owners in 12- and 14-team leagues can continue to cling to Wilson as a bench stash, but no one should be counting on the second-year runner helping them get wins anytime soon. Oct. 18 - 2:20 pm et"

 

[the spanker]

Jacobs right now baby. He's had 10 days off to heal from him grade 1 hammy strain and then the Eagles who can't stop anyone.

After that it's gonna be the What Can Brown Do For Us Show.

 

[snitwitch]

Looks like this bandwagon is completely broken down in redraft...

Per Rotoworld

"David Wilson told reporters Friday he doesn't anticipate any further news on his neck injury "for a month."Wilson is riding an exercise bike on the side of practices in hopes of a late-season return, and "insists he feels fine." The one-month mark would put Wilson at November 18 -- just ahead of Week 12. Fantasy owners in 12- and 14-team leagues can continue to cling to Wilson as a bench stash, but no one should be counting on the second-year runner helping them get wins anytime soon. Oct. 18 - 2:20 pm et"

Sure does. I wonder if he makes it back for the (fantasy) playoffs?

 

[JAMES!]

At least we got to see that double flip. RIP

 

[the spanker]

At least we got to see that double flip. RIP

Hahaha.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Jacobs right now baby. He's had 10 days off to heal from him grade 1 hammy strain and then the Eagles who can't stop anyone.

After that it's gonna be the What Can Brown Do For Us Show.

not so fast

 

[Cheesedawg]

I'm dumping Wilson as soon as this thread reaches 100 pages.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Looks like this bandwagon is completely broken down in redraft...

Per Rotoworld

"David Wilson told reporters Friday he doesn't anticipate any further news on his neck injury "for a month."Wilson is riding an exercise bike on the side of practices in hopes of a late-season return, and "insists he feels fine." The one-month mark would put Wilson at November 18 -- just ahead of Week 12. Fantasy owners in 12- and 14-team leagues can continue to cling to Wilson as a bench stash, but no one should be counting on the second-year runner helping them get wins anytime soon. Oct. 18 - 2:20 pm et"

Sure does. I wonder if he makes it back for the (fantasy) playoffs?

In what parallel universe would anyone ever consider Wilson for a start in a playoff game?

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm dumping Wilson as soon as this thread reaches 100 pages.

How the hell is this thing sill on page one?

 

[OPS]

Just dropped him in two redrafts. I feel so much better already.

 

[dickey moe]

I'm dumping Wilson as soon as this thread reaches 100 pages.

How the hell is this thing sill on page one?

Residuals from the hype.

 

[KellysHeroes]

David E. Wilson ‏@4stillRunning13 Oct
4those who dont know I feel absolutely NO pain I feel perfectly fine, passed all test, CTscan in NY show concern only reason Im not playin

Thanks for posting, I don't have tweeter

FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports Dr. Robert Watkins did not recommend surgery for David Wilson (neck).

As Garafolo noted, it's obviously good news. Surgery would almost certainly end Wilson's season. There's still no timetable for Wilson's return, but he did say last Friday that he's "hoping and praying" that he'll receive clearance for Week 7. The more likely scenario is that Wilson misses 2-3 more games. Brandon Jacobs and Michael Cox will fill in for as long as Wilson is sidelined.

That's awesome news ...But why 2 or 3 weeks? He feels fine and he doesn't need surgery whats going to change between now and 3 weeks?

Coughlin getting canned perhaps?

so he feels no pain, no surgery needed, riding a bike at practice, nobody else to run the ball on the team... whats the hold up?

 

[tdhartis]

so he feels no pain, no surgery needed, riding a bike at practice, nobody else to run the ball on the team... whats the hold up?

I'm not a doctor, but I'm thinking he experienced significant inflammation in the affected area of his spine, and that's what led to the numbness he experienced. These things also usually lead to decreased strength in the affected area(s), and I'm guessing their being conservative and allowing whatever treatment he is undergoing to reduce any swelling and monitor his progress over the course of a few weeks until they feel comfortable trotting him out there again.

At that point, they'll likely know after his first few instances of contact whether he is good or should be pulled for the season. This is because it's either going to recur rather quickly, or not at all. Considering they played it as conservatively as they possibly could and allowed his body every reasonable opportunity to heal, they'll know it wasn't for lack of recovery if he relapses, but rather because his body just wasn't able to sufficiently recover on its own and he shouldn't be playing (at least without taking another more drastic treatment option.) Just because he feels no pain and can ride a bike doesn't mean the inflammation or whatever caused his injury a couple of weeks is fully healed, and if they put him back out there now and he relapsed they wouldn't know whether it happened because (a) he hadn't been given enough time to recover; or (b) his spinal condition won't naturally heal sufficiently regardless of recovery time given.

Does that make sense? The back and spine are very intricate and complicated, and not currently experiencing pain in the absence of contact doesn't necessarily mean he's okay. Rushing him back anything short of what would be considered extensive rest wouldn't allow the staff to make an accurate determination of whether or not he can or should be playing. Like I said first, I'm no expert, but I have had a total of three back surgeries (I'm 23yrs old) and have three different conditions related to my spine's alignment and its disks. I've read and heard a lot about things similar to what he has, and that's my guess.

 

[Cheesedawg]

so he feels no pain, no surgery needed, riding a bike at practice, nobody else to run the ball on the team... whats the hold up?

I'm not a doctor, but I'm thinking he experienced significant inflammation in the affected area of his spine, and that's what led to the numbness he experienced. These things also usually lead to decreased strength in the affected area(s), and I'm guessing their being conservative and allowing whatever treatment he is undergoing to reduce any swelling and monitor his progress over the course of a few weeks until they feel comfortable trotting him out there again.

At that point, they'll likely know after his first few instances of contact whether he is good or should be pulled for the season. This is because it's either going to recur rather quickly, or not at all. Considering they played it as conservatively as they possibly could and allowed his body every reasonable opportunity to heal, they'll know it wasn't for lack of recovery if he relapses, but rather because his body just wasn't able to sufficiently recover on its own and he shouldn't be playing (at least without taking another more drastic treatment option.) Just because he feels no pain and can ride a bike doesn't mean the inflammation or whatever caused his injury a couple of weeks is fully healed, and if they put him back out there now and he relapsed they wouldn't know whether it happened because (a) he hadn't been given enough time to recover; or (b) his spinal condition won't naturally heal sufficiently regardless of recovery time given.

Does that make sense? The back and spine are very intricate and complicated, and not currently experiencing pain in the absence of contact doesn't necessarily mean he's okay. Rushing him back anything short of what would be considered extensive rest wouldn't allow the staff to make an accurate determination of whether or not he can or should be playing. Like I said first, I'm no expert, but I have had a total of three back surgeries (I'm 23yrs old) and have three different conditions related to my spine's alignment and its disks. I've read and heard a lot about things similar to what he has, and that's my guess.

 

[Cheesedawg]

Bump.

I am really having trouble holding onto him even in a 12 team, 21-man roster league where he's keep-able one more year.

Let's get to 100 pages.

 

[Interseptopus]

Lets do it!

 

[KellysHeroes]

so he feels no pain, no surgery needed, riding a bike at practice, nobody else to run the ball on the team... whats the hold up?

I'm not a doctor, but I'm thinking he experienced significant inflammation in the affected area of his spine, and that's what led to the numbness he experienced. These things also usually lead to decreased strength in the affected area(s), and I'm guessing their being conservative and allowing whatever treatment he is undergoing to reduce any swelling and monitor his progress over the course of a few weeks until they feel comfortable trotting him out there again.

At that point, they'll likely know after his first few instances of contact whether he is good or should be pulled for the season. This is because it's either going to recur rather quickly, or not at all. Considering they played it as conservatively as they possibly could and allowed his body every reasonable opportunity to heal, they'll know it wasn't for lack of recovery if he relapses, but rather because his body just wasn't able to sufficiently recover on its own and he shouldn't be playing (at least without taking another more drastic treatment option.) Just because he feels no pain and can ride a bike doesn't mean the inflammation or whatever caused his injury a couple of weeks is fully healed, and if they put him back out there now and he relapsed they wouldn't know whether it happened because (a) he hadn't been given enough time to recover; or (b) his spinal condition won't naturally heal sufficiently regardless of recovery time given.

Does that make sense? The back and spine are very intricate and complicated, and not currently experiencing pain in the absence of contact doesn't necessarily mean he's okay. Rushing him back anything short of what would be considered extensive rest wouldn't allow the staff to make an accurate determination of whether or not he can or should be playing. Like I said first, I'm no expert, but I have had a total of three back surgeries (I'm 23yrs old) and have three different conditions related to my spine's alignment and its disks. I've read and heard a lot about things similar to what he has, and that's my guess.

good post, thank u

 

[Interseptopus]

so he feels no pain, no surgery needed, riding a bike at practice, nobody else to run the ball on the team... whats the hold up?

I'm not a doctor, but I'm thinking he experienced significant inflammation in the affected area of his spine, and that's what led to the numbness he experienced. These things also usually lead to decreased strength in the affected area(s), and I'm guessing their being conservative and allowing whatever treatment he is undergoing to reduce any swelling and monitor his progress over the course of a few weeks until they feel comfortable trotting him out there again.

At that point, they'll likely know after his first few instances of contact whether he is good or should be pulled for the season. This is because it's either going to recur rather quickly, or not at all. Considering they played it as conservatively as they possibly could and allowed his body every reasonable opportunity to heal, they'll know it wasn't for lack of recovery if he relapses, but rather because his body just wasn't able to sufficiently recover on its own and he shouldn't be playing (at least without taking another more drastic treatment option.) Just because he feels no pain and can ride a bike doesn't mean the inflammation or whatever caused his injury a couple of weeks is fully healed, and if they put him back out there now and he relapsed they wouldn't know whether it happened because (a) he hadn't been given enough time to recover; or (b) his spinal condition won't naturally heal sufficiently regardless of recovery time given.

Does that make sense? The back and spine are very intricate and complicated, and not currently experiencing pain in the absence of contact doesn't necessarily mean he's okay. Rushing him back anything short of what would be considered extensive rest wouldn't allow the staff to make an accurate determination of whether or not he can or should be playing. Like I said first, I'm no expert, but I have had a total of three back surgeries (I'm 23yrs old) and have three different conditions related to my spine's alignment and its disks. I've read and heard a lot about things similar to what he has, and that's my guess.

Your analysis is somewhat accurate. However, if he had any inflammation in his spine, he would feel it.

What is likely the case is that he may have some residual issues going on in terms of coordination or muscle strength etc.

Nerves do take a very long time to heal. They have a poor blood supply. You bruise a nerve, which he essentially did, it takes a while to return to normal. It's not necessarily still damaged, but more in protection mode. Think of it this way:

Someone runs a red light, slams into your car. For the next few months every green light you drive through you break, as if you are expecting to be hit. Your body is extra careful

Likewise, your nervous system gets on edge just like that. He needs time because his body may react weird. By that I mean his body over-compensates. Lets say he gets hit in the head. Normally, any other player (except jay cutler) gets up and is uninjured. But Wilson's body panics and sends a great deal of inflammation to that area, thinking its a terrible injury again. It over reacts.

As I said above, I feel like this isn't strictly a spinal stenosis issue. I think even if he does come back he won't be utilized at all. TE coaches won't use him as a lead back... Too risky. He's safe to drop once we get to 100 pages

 

[MoveToSkypager]

David E. Wilson ‏@4stillRunning13 Oct
4those who dont know I feel absolutely NO pain I feel perfectly fine, passed all test, CTscan in NY show concern only reason Im not playin

Thanks for posting, I don't have tweeter

FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports Dr. Robert Watkins did not recommend surgery for David Wilson (neck).

As Garafolo noted, it's obviously good news. Surgery would almost certainly end Wilson's season. There's still no timetable for Wilson's return, but he did say last Friday that he's "hoping and praying" that he'll receive clearance for Week 7. The more likely scenario is that Wilson misses 2-3 more games. Brandon Jacobs and Michael Cox will fill in for as long as Wilson is sidelined.

That's awesome news ...But why 2 or 3 weeks? He feels fine and he doesn't need surgery whats going to change between now and 3 weeks?

Coughlin getting canned perhaps?

Coughlin will be with the NYG longer than David Wilson.

 

[Rove!]

The NYG O has been better since DWils has been out...

 

[nobiz]

As I follow this, I have a personal attachment to this situation as I sit here 30 days post-op from a neck surgery to alleviate stenosis in my own neck.

However, my neck stenosis was a little different in that it was forminal stenosis (narrowing of the nerve holes exiting the SIDES of each vertebrae) as opposed to David Wilson's spinal stenosis (narrowing of the spinal cord column in the BACK of a person's neck). The surgery that I had was a 3 level ACDF (Anterior Cervical Discectomy Fusion) of the 4th, 5th, and 6th cervical discs where they went in thru the front of my neck and removed 3 discs and inserted plastic spacers where the discs used to be and immobilized it with titanium bracket/screws. From what I've heard and read, Peyton Manning actually had a 1 level ACDF surgery the year that he sat out, but it was never reported or published as a "fusion".....it was always reported that he had 3 or 4 neck surgeries.

In David Wilson's case, I have to say that Spinal Stenosis is much more dangerous b/c it involves the spinal cord and the risk of possible paralysis. In his case, I think it is his VERTEBRAE......not a slipped or ruptured DISC that could cause impingement on the spinal cord. So I don't know the surgical procedure that they are talking about performing. (does anybody know the actual procedure that has been presented to him?)

Also, I do believe that Spinal Stenosis is what ended Mike Alstott's career.

I've had the same surgery.The big fear is of course of a need for a re-do. I was lucky, but I played it very safe for 3 years (no skiing, etc). I admire Manning for coming back so soon.

 

[Gvindy]

Spinal stenosis ended P Mannings brothers career, Cooper I think? I remember seeing him say he was basically one hit away from paralysis and didn't know it, crazy

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Deadspin: David Wilson explores Times Square in a rabbit head, for some reason

Might make my team logo a pic of him in the rabbit head in support of my beastmode 2nd round pick.

 

[Cheesedawg]

so he feels no pain, no surgery needed, riding a bike at practice, nobody else to run the ball on the team... whats the hold up?

I'm not a doctor, but I'm thinking he experienced significant inflammation in the affected area of his spine, and that's what led to the numbness he experienced. These things also usually lead to decreased strength in the affected area(s), and I'm guessing their being conservative and allowing whatever treatment he is undergoing to reduce any swelling and monitor his progress over the course of a few weeks until they feel comfortable trotting him out there again.

At that point, they'll likely know after his first few instances of contact whether he is good or should be pulled for the season. This is because it's either going to recur rather quickly, or not at all. Considering they played it as conservatively as they possibly could and allowed his body every reasonable opportunity to heal, they'll know it wasn't for lack of recovery if he relapses, but rather because his body just wasn't able to sufficiently recover on its own and he shouldn't be playing (at least without taking another more drastic treatment option.) Just because he feels no pain and can ride a bike doesn't mean the inflammation or whatever caused his injury a couple of weeks is fully healed, and if they put him back out there now and he relapsed they wouldn't know whether it happened because (a) he hadn't been given enough time to recover; or (b) his spinal condition won't naturally heal sufficiently regardless of recovery time given.

Does that make sense? The back and spine are very intricate and complicated, and not currently experiencing pain in the absence of contact doesn't necessarily mean he's okay. Rushing him back anything short of what would be considered extensive rest wouldn't allow the staff to make an accurate determination of whether or not he can or should be playing. Like I said first, I'm no expert, but I have had a total of three back surgeries (I'm 23yrs old) and have three different conditions related to my spine's alignment and its disks. I've read and heard a lot about things similar to what he has, and that's my guess.

Your analysis is somewhat accurate. However, if he had any inflammation in his spine, he would feel it.

What is likely the case is that he may have some residual issues going on in terms of coordination or muscle strength etc.

Nerves do take a very long time to heal. They have a poor blood supply. You bruise a nerve, which he essentially did, it takes a while to return to normal. It's not necessarily still damaged, but more in protection mode. Think of it this way:

Someone runs a red light, slams into your car. For the next few months every green light you drive through you break, as if you are expecting to be hit. Your body is extra careful

Likewise, your nervous system gets on edge just like that. He needs time because his body may react weird. By that I mean his body over-compensates. Lets say he gets hit in the head. Normally, any other player (except jay cutler) gets up and is uninjured. But Wilson's body panics and sends a great deal of inflammation to that area, thinking its a terrible injury again. It over reacts.

As I said above, I feel like this isn't strictly a spinal stenosis issue. I think even if he does come back he won't be utilized at all. TE coaches won't use him as a lead back... Too risky. He's safe to drop once we get to 100 pages

More excellent analysis. The last line gave me a full LOL.

 

[Pump N Go]

Andre Brown could be a lotto ticket once the fantasy playoffs roll around...

 

[MoveToSkypager]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I hope Doctor DR isn't a chiropractor.

 

[JuniorNB]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

 

[nobiz]

Hillis isn't better in real-world but "Hillis with Wilson being hurt is more valuable in fantasy than Wilson with either of Hillis or Jacobs around" is valid.

 

[Cheesedawg]

Andre Brown could be a lotto ticket once the fantasy playoffs roll around...

Only if the Giants have an entirely different line which can actually block during weeks 14-16.

 

[steveski]

Andre Brown could be a lotto ticket once the fantasy playoffs roll around...

Only if the Giants have an entirely different line which can actually block during weeks 14-16.

The line has looked much better than they did to start the season. Look at what Jacobs did last week. If you think that's because of his talent then please just leave now. I remember specifically 2-3 of Hillis' runs last night where he was in the open field with 1 guy to beat and he just lowers his head and tries to run him over. Any real RB would have tried a move in those situations and most likely succeeded. Even Cox would have if they gave him a shot to run anywhere besides up the gut. Instead they run Cox up the gut and Hillis off tackle.

I'm not sure who to blame but they'd rather have a guy that is "guaranteed" 2-3 yards per touch and won't ever get much more than a guy who might only get stopped at the line or break it for a big TD. Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jacobs are the 2 starting RBs on a football team. I don't care how many injuries you have, that says it all. Michael Turner will be the next signing.

 

[Loan Sharks]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

First they defend Wilson because he is a better pass blocker than Darell Scott and now he is a better running back than Peyton Hillis.

What's next he is a better goal line back than some sucky goal line back?

If the only way to show a guy is "good" is by pointing out that he may be slightly better than a sucky player, you are going to lose that arguement.

 

[doyler]

Even Karabel is still on this

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9863064

 

[TheFanatic]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

 

[Blackjacks]

Wilson had a lot of red flags prior to the year and a lot of them caught up with people. The kid has talent but he couldn't keep himself out of Coughlin's doghouse. Its a shame cause he did/does have a lot of talent.

 

[JAMES!]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

How many backflips does Hillis have?

 

[Rove!]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

It's posts like this that caused this thing to balloon to nearly 100 pages...

 

[Rove!]

Even Karabel is still on this

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9863064

terrible

 

[Rove!]

If DWils got 24 touches in a game, he'd get about 50 yards, the Giants would have a low "time of possession" and Curtis Painter would be the starting QB the next week.

 

[Interseptopus]

I hope Doctor DR isn't a chiropractor.

No, I'm not a chiroquacker

 

[MoveToSkypager]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

Exactly?

I said "David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September."