***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[steveski]

I was a big Wilson supporter. I drafted him ahead of Doug Martin (wish I could take that back). I sold him for McFadden who promptly went out and sprained his ######. There is no doubt he is one of the most physically gifted running backs in the league. The patience and the instincts just aren't there. You can't continue to blame the O-line, when inferior athletes are able to perform behind the same line. Pierre Thomas, Fred Jackson, Donald Brown, Rashad Jennings and Andre Brown are living proof.

Andre Brown is a better RB than David Wilson!

It's the people in here that just look at a person fantasy points for the week

Imagine that.

On a fantasy football board.

Well I'd think everybody here is intelligent enough to read how many fantasy points a person has scored. I would think a message board would be used to discuss, analyze and predict players futures. If that's not why you're here then please tell me why you are?

You haven't posted anything of value yet so why don't you start now? Or are you just more of a smiley type guy?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Non-David Wilson starting weeks: (will vary upon scoring system)

PPR: [Overall weekly finishes]

Week 6: Jacobs RB5

Week 7: Hillis RB8

Week 8: Hillis RB22

Week 10: Brown RB8

Week 11: Brown RB24

Week 12: Brown RB7 (pending tonight's game)

Wilson's overall finishes: RB32 Weeks 4&5. Finished RB59 Week 3, RB60 Week 2, & was the only negative point RB in football Week 1.

Wilson definitely has to be a contender for fantasy bust of all time. He was god awful when healthy & his backup, his backup's backup and & backup's backup backup (2 of which were fresh off the street) have all put up RB#1 weeks. And in 4 of the 6 weeks he's been gone, his replacement has had put up RB#1 numbers. [With none of them being worse than RB24 overall for any one week]

Unreal.

The Giants offensive line was beat up and a rookie trying to get up to speed early in the season. On top of that, this was their schedule:

1) @ DAL. Wilson was benched after a fumble. Didn't see the field again. Hard to judge how good a player is from this game. (Scott was the leading rusher with 23 yards)

2) vs DEN. Game was ugly fast. Shootout.

3) @ CAR. In Carolina....

4) @ KC. In Kansas City....

5) v PHI. Scored a TD and got injured early in the game. Only had 6 carries.

Now onto the Jacobs/Hillis/Brown era:

6) @ CHI. 8th worst run defense

7) v MIN. 5th worst run defense (and Freeman at QB)

8) @ PHI. 13th worst run defense (Barkley at QB)

10) v OAK 15th worst run defense (

11) v GB. 16th worst run defense (Tolzien at QB)

12) v DAL. 1st worst run defense

But you're right. It's much easier to cherry pick fantasy points without looking a little deeper into where the numbers come from right?

Four things that are wrong with this post:

1) Wilson is not a rookie. This is his 2nd year.

2) You complain about cherry picking - then do the exact same thing. When Wilson underperformed, you provided the convenient "reason" (read: excuse) for why he did.

3) Two of the teams you pointed to as part of Wilson's "tough matchups" are also in your second set of numbers. You can't have it both ways - either they are tough matchups or they aren't.

4) There are 32 teams in the NFL. Saying a team is "16th worst" against the rush is the same as saying "16th best". You also (going back to the cherry picking argument) conveniently leave out of your first half of the schedule that KC's run defense is also not that great at "13th worst".

1) When did I say he was a rookie? I know he's not a rookie. He finished last year really strong, so he has shown he can perform at a NFL level. If anything, this proves my point even more.

2) I guess cherry picking was the wrong term. What I meant is to look a little deeper into the stats and not just what's on the surface. Why did he do so poorly running the ball? Is it because he sucks or is something else going on?

3) The two that are in both are Dallas and Philly. Neither are tough matchups. Wilson fumbled early in the Dallas game and was put in the dog house. Yeah, that sucks, but I don't think that game really helps in figuring out how good of a player he is. I don't think people are saying Ridley is worse than Jacobs and Hillis.

4) 16th worst or 16th best. Say whichever you want, it doesn't matter. The point is that the toughest rushing matchup they had wasn't a tough matchup.

 

[steveski]

Oh look! Another guy who only posts smileys! Thanks for the quality posts guys, keep them up! Getting a lot of great insight here.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Oh look! Another guy who only posts smileys! Thanks for the quality posts guys, keep them up! Getting a lot of great insight here.

Are you angry? Don't be angry.

 

[steveski]

Oh look! Another guy who only posts smileys! Thanks for the quality posts guys, keep them up! Getting a lot of great insight here.

Are you angry? Don't be angry.

What's the point in posting in a thread, especially a "bandwagon" thread, unless you're looking for info or posting some insight/info? If you're not doing one or the other then you're just trolling. If you're going to post something about a player then back it up with facts. Everybody knows that Hillis and Jacobs scored more fantasy points this year than Wilson did. What's the point in posting it?

If you're asking whether you should draft Jacobs or Wilson when you go back in time and do the 2013 draft over, then yeah, you take Jacobs. If you're in here to try to predict Wilson's future outlook then post something that's useful or don't post anything at all.

 

[Cecil_Pooples]

Oh look! Another guy who only posts smileys! Thanks for the quality posts guys, keep them up! Getting a lot of great insight here.

Are you angry? Don't be angry.

 

[TheFanatic]

3) Two of the teams you pointed to as part of Wilson's "tough matchups" are also in your second set of numbers. You can't have it both ways - either they are tough matchups or they aren't.

Hmmmmm, he made the comparison to when DW was in there and when he wasn't. Dallas is in the first set, but DW didn't get to do much against them as he was benched for a fumble. And Philly is too, but he didn't get to do much against them except score before getting injured. So including them in both lists is not entirely out of the question considering he never really competed against those guys, but the teams he did get a chance to compete against were better than after he got injured and others took over.

 

[DoubleG]

I am not sure which is worse - this thread or the Trent Richardson "THIS is why his stats are bad...it's not his fault" thread. Oh wait, just switch the names and they ARE the same thread. The apologists refuse to face facts in both. No matter how clear they are.

Are both guys talented? Absolutely. Do they have the skills necessary to be an NFL starting RB? Not right now - and it's been fairly obvious for both. Will they, someday, "get it"? Maybe...but I am not sure that most coaching staffs are going to wait around for them to do.

I think it is beginning to become painfully obvious that both Wilson and T. Rich are heading the way of Domanick Davis, Kevan Barlow or Beanie Wells instead of McCoy or MJD or SJax.

 

[TheFanatic]

I was a big Wilson supporter. I drafted him ahead of Doug Martin (wish I could take that back). I sold him for McFadden who promptly went out and sprained his ######. There is no doubt he is one of the most physically gifted running backs in the league. The patience and the instincts just aren't there. You can't continue to blame the O-line, when inferior athletes are able to perform behind the same line. Pierre Thomas, Fred Jackson, Donald Brown, Rashad Jennings and Andre Brown are living proof.

Andre Brown is a better RB than David Wilson!

It's the people in here that just look at a person fantasy points for the week

Imagine that.

On a fantasy football board.

Well I'd think everybody here is intelligent enough to read how many fantasy points a person has scored. I would think a message board would be used to discuss, analyze and predict players futures. If that's not why you're here then please tell me why you are?

You haven't posted anything of value yet so why don't you start now? Or are you just more of a smiley type guy?

Any numbskull can look at a guy rocking the house every week and say, "That Calvin Johnson sure looks like a pretty good player." Predicting a guy like Preist Holmes going to KC and tearing it up before he finishes first in the league is another. Guys that figure that stuff out after the fact over pay and underperform every year in the league. They show up to the draft with their fantasy mags, and months old stale ### research. They don't toss a 3rd rounder to the Moreno owner in the offseason on the off chance that a former first rounder would get yet another chance to live up to that pedigree. Those that did are looking pretty good right now.

Wilson is going to get another chance. And if he fails again, will probably get yet another chance. That's how the NFL works. Guys drafted in the 7th have to have a lot more fall into place to succeed (injuries, trades, etc). First rounders get it spoon fed to them. Maybe that pisses people off. Maybe nobody is patient enough to wait. Maybe it's more fun to fish and call the guy a candy ### for getting injured (yeah, major neck injury=cream puff). I don't know. But the kid has talent. And just because he hasn't shown it yet in the stat column does;t mean he never will.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Oh look! Another guy who only posts smileys! Thanks for the quality posts guys, keep them up! Getting a lot of great insight here.

Are you angry? Don't be angry.

What's the point in posting in a thread, especially a "bandwagon" thread, unless you're looking for info or posting some insight/info? If you're not doing one or the other then you're just trolling. If you're going to post something about a player then back it up with facts. Everybody knows that Hillis and Jacobs scored more fantasy points this year than Wilson did. What's the point in posting it?

If you're asking whether you should draft Jacobs or Wilson when you go back in time and do the 2013 draft over, then yeah, you take Jacobs. If you're in here to try to predict Wilson's future outlook then post something that's useful or don't post anything at all.

The thread is a conversation amongst fantasy footballers. We are all free to share our thoughts on this subject. This particular subject is David Wilson. Some people don't think he is very good. I am one of those people. As long as I am not conducting personal attacks, getting off topic or spamming the board, I'm following the rules. Afterall, all I am doing is sharing my opinion on David Wilson (the subject of this thread). Who are you to tell me to not post something here? I'm following the rules and staying on the subject. If you don't like my opinions, you are free to not read them.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I asked before, and didn't get an answer. Is Wilson's neck OK? How serious is it? Is his injury connected to his fumbling? (don't say it's not possible because it is). Do we know what the specific ailment is?

 

[SWC]

he really let me down this year brohans i thought he would be good but he was bad and then he got hurt which is bad so i apologize to all the brohans who depended on the old swcer i let you down and i am sorry i hope that you all can forgive me take that to the sorry bank brohans

 

[steveski]

I am not sure which is worse - this thread or the Trent Richardson "THIS is why his stats are bad...it's not his fault" thread. Oh wait, just switch the names and they ARE the same thread. The apologists refuse to face facts in both. No matter how clear they are.

Are both guys talented? Absolutely. Do they have the skills necessary to be an NFL starting RB? Not right now - and it's been fairly obvious for both. Will they, someday, "get it"? Maybe...but I am not sure that most coaching staffs are going to wait around for them to do.

I think it is beginning to become painfully obvious that both Wilson and T. Rich are heading the way of Domanick Davis, Kevan Barlow or Beanie Wells instead of McCoy or MJD or SJax.

I don't get the comparison? Richardson was a 20 touch RB for almost 2 full seasons. Wilson hasn't had anywhere near that load. He's only played in 5 games with more than 10 touches. Never more than 15.

Last year, in very limited usage he went 71/358/4 rushing and 4/34/1 receiving. That's 5 YPC. Richardson has never done that.

This year he was 44/146/1 rushing and 2/8/0 receiving. That's 3.3 YPC.

Did he get much worse this year or is there maybe another variable in this mix?

 

[steveski]

I asked before, and didn't get an answer. Is Wilson's neck OK? How serious is it? Is his injury connected to his fumbling? (don't say it's not possible because it is). Do we know what the specific ailment is?

I don't think anybody really knows what's going on, including him. I highly doubt the issue affected his fumbles, but that's just a guess. Also, I know he's had limited playing time, but I don't get all the fumble concern with him. He's only fumbled in 2 games as a pro. Both on the first game of the season. This is the last post on RW about 2 weeks ago:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports doctors have informed David Wilson that he faces increased risk of re-injuring his neck if he plays football again.

Wilson fully expects and intends to play next season. He was placed on injured reserve this past week after he suffered a herniated disk in his neck against the Eagles in Week 5. Wilson is expected to avoid surgery but that's uncertain until he's reevaluated again in "several weeks." Wilson's neck is obviously a long-term concern for the Giants and fantasy owners. We'll be updating him as more information comes to light over the next few months. Nov 10 - 11:05 AM

 

[TheFanatic]

I am not sure which is worse - this thread or the Trent Richardson "THIS is why his stats are bad...it's not his fault" thread. Oh wait, just switch the names and they ARE the same thread. The apologists refuse to face facts in both. No matter how clear they are.

Are both guys talented? Absolutely. Do they have the skills necessary to be an NFL starting RB? Not right now - and it's been fairly obvious for both. Will they, someday, "get it"? Maybe...but I am not sure that most coaching staffs are going to wait around for them to do.

I think it is beginning to become painfully obvious that both Wilson and T. Rich are heading the way of Domanick Davis, Kevan Barlow or Beanie Wells instead of McCoy or MJD or SJax.

I don't get the comparison? Richardson was a 20 touch RB for almost 2 full seasons. Wilson hasn't had anywhere near that load. He's only played in 5 games with more than 10 touches. Never more than 15.

Last year, in very limited usage he went 71/358/4 rushing and 4/34/1 receiving. That's 5 YPC. Richardson has never done that.

This year he was 44/146/1 rushing and 2/8/0 receiving. That's 3.3 YPC.

Did he get much worse this year or is there maybe another variable in this mix?

I get the comparison in that a lot of the same excuses are being made. The thing with me is that the book on Wilson is pretty short. I feel like I need to see more before I close this book. For Richardson, I feel the book is long enough and am willing to shut that one. But then many most thought the book was shut on Moreno too. So who knows.

 

[steveski]

I am not sure which is worse - this thread or the Trent Richardson "THIS is why his stats are bad...it's not his fault" thread. Oh wait, just switch the names and they ARE the same thread. The apologists refuse to face facts in both. No matter how clear they are.

Are both guys talented? Absolutely. Do they have the skills necessary to be an NFL starting RB? Not right now - and it's been fairly obvious for both. Will they, someday, "get it"? Maybe...but I am not sure that most coaching staffs are going to wait around for them to do.

I think it is beginning to become painfully obvious that both Wilson and T. Rich are heading the way of Domanick Davis, Kevan Barlow or Beanie Wells instead of McCoy or MJD or SJax.

I don't get the comparison? Richardson was a 20 touch RB for almost 2 full seasons. Wilson hasn't had anywhere near that load. He's only played in 5 games with more than 10 touches. Never more than 15.

Last year, in very limited usage he went 71/358/4 rushing and 4/34/1 receiving. That's 5 YPC. Richardson has never done that.

This year he was 44/146/1 rushing and 2/8/0 receiving. That's 3.3 YPC.

Did he get much worse this year or is there maybe another variable in this mix?

I get the comparison in that a lot of the same excuses are being made. The thing with me is that the book on Wilson is pretty short. I feel like I need to see more before I close this book. For Richardson, I feel the book is long enough and am willing to shut that one. But then many most thought the book was shut on Moreno too. So who knows.

The book is way too short to be compared to Richardson. Richardson has had the workload to be given a fair shot. Wilson hasn't yet. Look at what Jamaal Charles did his first season when only given a very light workload. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/11307/year/2008/jamaal-charles Very similar to Wilsons first year numbers. Switch it to 2009 and look at his numbers to see what happens after they unleashed him. Maybe Wilson can do similar numbers or maybe he can't handle a full workload? The problem is nobody knows. It's not fair for people to close the book on a guy that has only started the 1st chapter. I just hope the guy can play again so he gets the chance.

 

[zamboni]

But then many most thought the book was shut on Moreno too. So who knows.

That's a reasonable point, although it's likely going to have to be another coach with a different mindset than Coughlin - similar to Fox willing to give Moreno another shot after the previous regime virtually kicked him to the curb.

I highly doubt Coughlin will ever give Wilson a full shot again even if he's healthy, and by the time Coughlin leaves, Wilson may just be another could-have-been.

 

[SWC]

i hope this guy comes back and runs for the longest td in the history of the nfl on a gaget play where he jumps out of bounds out of the back of the end zone to get a kick and has a player in bounds pull him back in so that what he scores no one could ever have scored from farther away that would be so cool brohans so take that to the bank brohans

 

[Eminence]

I am not sure which is worse - this thread or the Trent Richardson "THIS is why his stats are bad...it's not his fault" thread. Oh wait, just switch the names and they ARE the same thread. The apologists refuse to face facts in both. No matter how clear they are.

Are both guys talented? Absolutely. Do they have the skills necessary to be an NFL starting RB? Not right now - and it's been fairly obvious for both. Will they, someday, "get it"? Maybe...but I am not sure that most coaching staffs are going to wait around for them to do.

I think it is beginning to become painfully obvious that both Wilson and T. Rich are heading the way of Domanick Davis, Kevan Barlow or Beanie Wells instead of McCoy or MJD or SJax.

I don't get the comparison? Richardson was a 20 touch RB for almost 2 full seasons. Wilson hasn't had anywhere near that load. He's only played in 5 games with more than 10 touches. Never more than 15.

Last year, in very limited usage he went 71/358/4 rushing and 4/34/1 receiving. That's 5 YPC. Richardson has never done that.

This year he was 44/146/1 rushing and 2/8/0 receiving. That's 3.3 YPC.

Did he get much worse this year or is there maybe another variable in this mix?

I get the comparison in that a lot of the same excuses are being made. The thing with me is that the book on Wilson is pretty short. I feel like I need to see more before I close this book. For Richardson, I feel the book is long enough and am willing to shut that one. But then many most thought the book was shut on Moreno too. So who knows.

The book is way too short to be compared to Richardson. Richardson has had the workload to be given a fair shot. Wilson hasn't yet. Look at what Jamaal Charles did his first season when only given a very light workload. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/11307/year/2008/jamaal-charles Very similar to Wilsons first year numbers. Switch it to 2009 and look at his numbers to see what happens after they unleashed him. Maybe Wilson can do similar numbers or maybe he can't handle a full workload? The problem is nobody knows. It's not fair for people to close the book on a guy that has only started the 1st chapter. I just hope the guy can play again so he gets the chance.

Charles has the highest YPC ever. Sure, let's compare him to David Wilson.

 

[TheFanatic]

I am not sure which is worse - this thread or the Trent Richardson "THIS is why his stats are bad...it's not his fault" thread. Oh wait, just switch the names and they ARE the same thread. The apologists refuse to face facts in both. No matter how clear they are.

Are both guys talented? Absolutely. Do they have the skills necessary to be an NFL starting RB? Not right now - and it's been fairly obvious for both. Will they, someday, "get it"? Maybe...but I am not sure that most coaching staffs are going to wait around for them to do.

I think it is beginning to become painfully obvious that both Wilson and T. Rich are heading the way of Domanick Davis, Kevan Barlow or Beanie Wells instead of McCoy or MJD or SJax.

I don't get the comparison? Richardson was a 20 touch RB for almost 2 full seasons. Wilson hasn't had anywhere near that load. He's only played in 5 games with more than 10 touches. Never more than 15.

Last year, in very limited usage he went 71/358/4 rushing and 4/34/1 receiving. That's 5 YPC. Richardson has never done that.

This year he was 44/146/1 rushing and 2/8/0 receiving. That's 3.3 YPC.

Did he get much worse this year or is there maybe another variable in this mix?

I get the comparison in that a lot of the same excuses are being made. The thing with me is that the book on Wilson is pretty short. I feel like I need to see more before I close this book. For Richardson, I feel the book is long enough and am willing to shut that one. But then many most thought the book was shut on Moreno too. So who knows.

The book is way too short to be compared to Richardson. Richardson has had the workload to be given a fair shot. Wilson hasn't yet. Look at what Jamaal Charles did his first season when only given a very light workload. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/11307/year/2008/jamaal-charles Very similar to Wilsons first year numbers. Switch it to 2009 and look at his numbers to see what happens after they unleashed him. Maybe Wilson can do similar numbers or maybe he can't handle a full workload? The problem is nobody knows. It's not fair for people to close the book on a guy that has only started the 1st chapter. I just hope the guy can play again so he gets the chance.

Charles has the highest YPC ever. Sure, let's compare him to David Wilson.

So these numbers don't compare?

67 357 5.3

71 358 5.0

Yeah, I can see how someone would disregard those two sample sets as completely dissimilar and thus no comparison can be made.

 

[steveski]

I am not sure which is worse - this thread or the Trent Richardson "THIS is why his stats are bad...it's not his fault" thread. Oh wait, just switch the names and they ARE the same thread. The apologists refuse to face facts in both. No matter how clear they are.

Are both guys talented? Absolutely. Do they have the skills necessary to be an NFL starting RB? Not right now - and it's been fairly obvious for both. Will they, someday, "get it"? Maybe...but I am not sure that most coaching staffs are going to wait around for them to do.

I think it is beginning to become painfully obvious that both Wilson and T. Rich are heading the way of Domanick Davis, Kevan Barlow or Beanie Wells instead of McCoy or MJD or SJax.

I don't get the comparison? Richardson was a 20 touch RB for almost 2 full seasons. Wilson hasn't had anywhere near that load. He's only played in 5 games with more than 10 touches. Never more than 15.

Last year, in very limited usage he went 71/358/4 rushing and 4/34/1 receiving. That's 5 YPC. Richardson has never done that.

This year he was 44/146/1 rushing and 2/8/0 receiving. That's 3.3 YPC.

Did he get much worse this year or is there maybe another variable in this mix?

I get the comparison in that a lot of the same excuses are being made. The thing with me is that the book on Wilson is pretty short. I feel like I need to see more before I close this book. For Richardson, I feel the book is long enough and am willing to shut that one. But then many most thought the book was shut on Moreno too. So who knows.

The book is way too short to be compared to Richardson. Richardson has had the workload to be given a fair shot. Wilson hasn't yet. Look at what Jamaal Charles did his first season when only given a very light workload. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/11307/year/2008/jamaal-charles Very similar to Wilsons first year numbers. Switch it to 2009 and look at his numbers to see what happens after they unleashed him. Maybe Wilson can do similar numbers or maybe he can't handle a full workload? The problem is nobody knows. It's not fair for people to close the book on a guy that has only started the 1st chapter. I just hope the guy can play again so he gets the chance.

Charles has the highest YPC ever. Sure, let's compare him to David Wilson.

Can you find me a better statistical comparison?

 

[Eminence]

I am not sure which is worse - this thread or the Trent Richardson "THIS is why his stats are bad...it's not his fault" thread. Oh wait, just switch the names and they ARE the same thread. The apologists refuse to face facts in both. No matter how clear they are.

Are both guys talented? Absolutely. Do they have the skills necessary to be an NFL starting RB? Not right now - and it's been fairly obvious for both. Will they, someday, "get it"? Maybe...but I am not sure that most coaching staffs are going to wait around for them to do.

I think it is beginning to become painfully obvious that both Wilson and T. Rich are heading the way of Domanick Davis, Kevan Barlow or Beanie Wells instead of McCoy or MJD or SJax.

I don't get the comparison? Richardson was a 20 touch RB for almost 2 full seasons. Wilson hasn't had anywhere near that load. He's only played in 5 games with more than 10 touches. Never more than 15.

Last year, in very limited usage he went 71/358/4 rushing and 4/34/1 receiving. That's 5 YPC. Richardson has never done that.

This year he was 44/146/1 rushing and 2/8/0 receiving. That's 3.3 YPC.

Did he get much worse this year or is there maybe another variable in this mix?

I get the comparison in that a lot of the same excuses are being made. The thing with me is that the book on Wilson is pretty short. I feel like I need to see more before I close this book. For Richardson, I feel the book is long enough and am willing to shut that one. But then many most thought the book was shut on Moreno too. So who knows.

The book is way too short to be compared to Richardson. Richardson has had the workload to be given a fair shot. Wilson hasn't yet. Look at what Jamaal Charles did his first season when only given a very light workload. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/11307/year/2008/jamaal-charles Very similar to Wilsons first year numbers. Switch it to 2009 and look at his numbers to see what happens after they unleashed him. Maybe Wilson can do similar numbers or maybe he can't handle a full workload? The problem is nobody knows. It's not fair for people to close the book on a guy that has only started the 1st chapter. I just hope the guy can play again so he gets the chance.

Charles has the highest YPC ever. Sure, let's compare him to David Wilson.

So these numbers don't compare?

67 357

5.3

71 358

5.0

Yeah, I can see how someone would disregard those two sample sets as completely dissimilar and thus no comparison can be made.

Omg! It's like they're the same person! Did Jamaal Charles have spinal stenosis and fumbling issues, too?

 

[Eminence]

Seriously though, watch them play. Wilson can't hold Charles' jock strap.

 

[TheFanatic]

Seriously though, watch them play. Wilson can't hold Charles' jock strap.

yet they had nearly identical numbers their rookie season. One guy has had great success in the league since putting those numbers up. The other guy has gotten sidetracked by fumbles and injuries. You have the luxury of hindsight to say that Charles is great. We don't know yet about Wilson, or are you saying that there is 0% chance that David Wilson will ever do anything in the NFL?

 

[T with T]

I am worried about the spinal stenosis. I think that is the big picture here. This could be another jahvid best. All the promise in the world and never able to become the great rb he was going to be. I just hope not and wish him well. Not a good likelihood that he will ever be able to stand a beating in the NFL again with a shaky spine. To bad I really had high hopes for this young man and really respect him and like him as a player/person. Just a F'd up situation from start to finish.

 

[monk]

What an odd world we live in ...

Andre Brown averaged 3.7 ypc over his 1st 2 games - and he is great!

David Wilson averaged 3.9 ypc over 2 games @ Car and @ KC (2 of the best defenses in the NFL) - and he sucks!

Andre Brown has 1 td in 69 attempts this season - and he is great !

David Wilson has 1 td in 44 attempts this season - and he sucks !

Andre Brown - averaged 6.0 yds per carry against one of the worst Rush Defenses in the NFL - and he is great!

Brandon Jacobs - averaged over 8.0 yds per carry against the same bad defense - and he sucks!

WTF? What's going here?

 

[Cheesedawg]

What an odd world we live in ...

Andre Brown averaged 3.7 ypc over his 1st 2 games - and he is great!

David Wilson averaged 3.9 ypc over 2 games @ Car and @ KC (2 of the best defenses in the NFL) - and he sucks!

Andre Brown has 1 td in 69 attempts this season - and he is great !

David Wilson has 1 td in 44 attempts this season - and he sucks !

Andre Brown - averaged 6.0 yds per carry against one of the worst Rush Defenses in the NFL - and he is great!

Brandon Jacobs - averaged over 8.0 yds per carry against the same bad defense - and he sucks!

WTF? What's going here?

 

[ShaHBucks]

I am not sure which is worse - this thread or the Trent Richardson "THIS is why his stats are bad...it's not his fault" thread. Oh wait, just switch the names and they ARE the same thread. The apologists refuse to face facts in both. No matter how clear they are.

Are both guys talented? Absolutely. Do they have the skills necessary to be an NFL starting RB? Not right now - and it's been fairly obvious for both. Will they, someday, "get it"? Maybe...but I am not sure that most coaching staffs are going to wait around for them to do.

I think it is beginning to become painfully obvious that both Wilson and T. Rich are heading the way of Domanick Davis, Kevan Barlow or Beanie Wells instead of McCoy or MJD or SJax.

I don't get the comparison? Richardson was a 20 touch RB for almost 2 full seasons. Wilson hasn't had anywhere near that load. He's only played in 5 games with more than 10 touches. Never more than 15.

Last year, in very limited usage he went 71/358/4 rushing and 4/34/1 receiving. That's 5 YPC. Richardson has never done that.

This year he was 44/146/1 rushing and 2/8/0 receiving. That's 3.3 YPC.

Did he get much worse this year or is there maybe another variable in this mix?

I get the comparison in that a lot of the same excuses are being made. The thing with me is that the book on Wilson is pretty short. I feel like I need to see more before I close this book. For Richardson, I feel the book is long enough and am willing to shut that one. But then many most thought the book was shut on Moreno too. So who knows.

I was mocked a little less in that thread.

 

[Nero]

What an odd world we live in ...

Andre Brown averaged 3.7 ypc over his 1st 2 games - and he is great!

David Wilson averaged 3.9 ypc over 2 games @ Car and @ KC (2 of the best defenses in the NFL) - and he sucks!

Andre Brown has 1 td in 69 attempts this season - and he is great !

David Wilson has 1 td in 44 attempts this season - and he sucks !

Andre Brown - averaged 6.0 yds per carry against one of the worst Rush Defenses in the NFL - and he is great!

Brandon Jacobs - averaged over 8.0 yds per carry against the same bad defense - and he sucks!

WTF? What's going here?

Watch the games. Watch the players. I don't recall anyone saying Brown was great.

 

[T with T]

Wilson is way better then any back on the NYG I think we can all agree except coop poop, couer de lion and eminence, but other then that, the issue has never been talent, it has been opportunity/inj that has stopped Wilson from being exceptional!

 

[Nero]

Wilson is way better then any back on the NYG I think we can all agree except coop poop, couer de lion and eminence, but other then that, the issue has never been talent, it has been opportunity/inj that has stopped Wilson from being exceptional!

He has had plenty of opportunity, but has been unable to seize it. He has been limited by his fumbling, poor blocking skills and impatience as a runner. Today, Andre Brown is clearly a better player.

 

[Eminence]

Seriously though, watch them play. Wilson can't hold Charles' jock strap.

yet they had nearly identical numbers their rookie season. One guy has had great success in the league since putting those numbers up. The other guy has gotten sidetracked by fumbles and injuries. You have the luxury of hindsight to say that Charles is great. We don't know yet about Wilson, or are you saying that there is 0% chance that David Wilson will ever do anything in the NFL?

I think David Wilson is a great Special Teams player. However, any Head Coach would be crazy to use this guy as their feature back.

I don't think he has much wiggle or toughness. He is quick, but he relies on his burst way too much

He initiates contact too much. He needs to work on making moves in open-space rather than going full-speed all the time.

If he gets into the secondary he can outrun people ala Jahvid Best.

 

[Eminence]

Also, he needs to polish up on his catching / pass blocking.

 

[TheFanatic]

Seriously though, watch them play. Wilson can't hold Charles' jock strap.

yet they had nearly identical numbers their rookie season. One guy has had great success in the league since putting those numbers up. The other guy has gotten sidetracked by fumbles and injuries. You have the luxury of hindsight to say that Charles is great. We don't know yet about Wilson, or are you saying that there is 0% chance that David Wilson will ever do anything in the NFL?

I think David Wilson is a great Special Teams player. However, any Head Coach would be crazy to use this guy as their feature back.

I don't think he has much wiggle or toughness. He is quick, but he relies on his burst way too much

He initiates contact too much. He needs to work on making moves in open-space rather than going full-speed all the time.

If he gets into the secondary he can outrun people ala Jahvid Best.

Wait, he isn't tough, but initiates contact too much. Me thinks you are tossing out the buzz phrases a little too quickly as those two things don't correlate. If he's soft, he doesn't seek out hits.

And now his speed is also a negative?

 

[Eminence]

Wilson is way better then any back on the NYG I think we can all agree except coop poop, couer de lion and eminence, but other then that, the issue has never been talent, it has been opportunity/inj that has stopped Wilson from being exceptional!

Best athlete? Yes.

Best Running Back? No.

 

[djmich]

What an odd world we live in ...

Andre Brown averaged 3.7 ypc over his 1st 2 games - and he is great!

David Wilson averaged 3.9 ypc over 2 games @ Car and @ KC (2 of the best defenses in the NFL) - and he sucks!

Andre Brown has 1 td in 69 attempts this season - and he is great !

David Wilson has 1 td in 44 attempts this season - and he sucks !

Andre Brown - averaged 6.0 yds per carry against one of the worst Rush Defenses in the NFL - and he is great!

Brandon Jacobs - averaged over 8.0 yds per carry against the same bad defense - and he sucks!

WTF? What's going here?

Whats going on is that like most threads this becomes a tough guy pissing match between people who's sole purpose is to defend their positions and try to look cool.

 

[Eminence]

What an odd world we live in ...

Andre Brown averaged 3.7 ypc over his 1st 2 games - and he is great!

David Wilson averaged 3.9 ypc over 2 games @ Car and @ KC (2 of the best defenses in the NFL) - and he sucks!

Andre Brown has 1 td in 69 attempts this season - and he is great !

David Wilson has 1 td in 44 attempts this season - and he sucks !

Andre Brown - averaged 6.0 yds per carry against one of the worst Rush Defenses in the NFL - and he is great!

Brandon Jacobs - averaged over 8.0 yds per carry against the same bad defense - and he sucks!

WTF? What's going here?

So you're saying Andre Brown can do everything Wilson can and has no chronic injury risks or pass-protection concerns?

#devilsadvocate

 

[ConnSKINS26]

What an odd world we live in ...

Andre Brown averaged 3.7 ypc over his 1st 2 games - and he is great!

David Wilson averaged 3.9 ypc over 2 games @ Car and @ KC (2 of the best defenses in the NFL) - and he sucks!

Andre Brown has 1 td in 69 attempts this season - and he is great !

David Wilson has 1 td in 44 attempts this season - and he sucks !

Andre Brown - averaged 6.0 yds per carry against one of the worst Rush Defenses in the NFL - and he is great!

Brandon Jacobs - averaged over 8.0 yds per carry against the same bad defense - and he sucks!

WTF? What's going here?

So you're saying Andre Brown can do everything Wilson can and has no chronic injury risks or pass-protection concerns?

#devilsadvocate

Andre Brown has no injury risks? Are you serious?

 

[monk]

What an odd world we live in ...

Andre Brown averaged 3.7 ypc over his 1st 2 games - and he is great!

David Wilson averaged 3.9 ypc over 2 games @ Car and @ KC (2 of the best defenses in the NFL) - and he sucks!

Andre Brown has 1 td in 69 attempts this season - and he is great !

David Wilson has 1 td in 44 attempts this season - and he sucks !

Andre Brown - averaged 6.0 yds per carry against one of the worst Rush Defenses in the NFL - and he is great!

Brandon Jacobs - averaged over 8.0 yds per carry against the same bad defense - and he sucks!

WTF? What's going here?

Watch the games. Watch the players. I don't recall anyone saying Brown was great.

I pretty sure i've watched a whole lot more of the Giants than you.

 

[Eminence]

What an odd world we live in ...

Andre Brown averaged 3.7 ypc over his 1st 2 games - and he is great!

David Wilson averaged 3.9 ypc over 2 games @ Car and @ KC (2 of the best defenses in the NFL) - and he sucks!

Andre Brown has 1 td in 69 attempts this season - and he is great !

David Wilson has 1 td in 44 attempts this season - and he sucks !

Andre Brown - averaged 6.0 yds per carry against one of the worst Rush Defenses in the NFL - and he is great!

Brandon Jacobs - averaged over 8.0 yds per carry against the same bad defense - and he sucks!

WTF? What's going here?

So you're saying Andre Brown can do everything Wilson can and has no chronic[/b[ injury risks or pass-protection concerns?#devilsadvocate

Andre Brown has no injury risks? Are you serious?

I never said that. I said chronic injury risk in reference to Wilson's spinal stenosis; you've gotta think that lingers more than say a broken leg.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

What an odd world we live in ...

Andre Brown averaged 3.7 ypc over his 1st 2 games - and he is great!

David Wilson averaged 3.9 ypc over 2 games @ Car and @ KC (2 of the best defenses in the NFL) - and he sucks!

Andre Brown has 1 td in 69 attempts this season - and he is great !

David Wilson has 1 td in 44 attempts this season - and he sucks !

Andre Brown - averaged 6.0 yds per carry against one of the worst Rush Defenses in the NFL - and he is great!

Brandon Jacobs - averaged over 8.0 yds per carry against the same bad defense - and he sucks!

WTF? What's going here?

So you're saying Andre Brown can do everything Wilson can and has no chronic[/b[ injury risks or pass-protection concerns?#devilsadvocate

Andre Brown has no injury risks? Are you serious?

I never said that. I said chronic injury risk in reference to Wilson's spinal stenosis; you've gotta think that lingers more than say a broken leg.

Brown suffered perhaps the worst leg injury any player can have--a blown Achilles, which many people think has led to his other nagging leg injuries (the broken leg is obviously just a freak thing). That's pretty much the definition of chronic.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Speaking Monday, Giants GM Jerry Reese admitted that David Wilson may require neck surgery, but that "doctors think they can fix that, and he'll be able to play (in 2014)."

The New York Daily News reported last week that "some people" believe Wilson should give up his career, but it's safe to say the man who determines his roster spot isn't one of them. Wilson is dealing with a herniated disc in his neck, as well as spinal stenosis. It's no laughing matter. Reese's optimism is a huge positive, however. Wilson remains a hold in Dynasty leagues.


Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

 

[netnalp]

Giants GM Jerry Reese was also asked about the future status of RB David Wilson, who was placed on Injured Reserve in November with a potentially career-threatening neck injury.

“Those neck things, you have to wait around,” said Reese. “Those discs they have, sometimes they can shrink and it takes time for them to shrink. They did that and we’re waiting. At the beginning of the year, we’ll have another consultation with him, to see if surgery would be a possibility for him. That could be a possibility and if he has the surgery, I think the prognosis is that he’ll be ready to play next fall, if he has his surgery.”

Reese was then asked if the injury was career-threatening. “When you talk about necks, there’s always a possibility,” responded Reese. “We’re hopeful and the earlier reports that I’ve gotten, doctors do think they can fix this and he’ll be able to play…I think we’ll have to have some contingency plans at the running back position. I don’t think you go into the next season saying David Wilson’s going to be our number one, starting running back. I don’t think you can do that. The guy is coming off of a neck surgery, if he decides to have it.”

 

[zamboni]

Even beyond the neck injury, Coughlin is coming back so don't expect Wilson to be the guy anytime soon even if he makes a full recovery.

 

[netnalp]

Even beyond the neck injury, Coughlin is coming back so don't expect Wilson to be the guy anytime soon even if he makes a full recovery.

The owner might get Coughlin to play younger guys more. Mara said this week that he didn't know why it took Jernigan so long to get playing time along with other young guys. Said the young guys need to be given the opportunity to play to see if they succeed or fail.

 

[Tool]

(KFFL)The New York Giants will not count on RB David Wilson (neck) to be their lead back next season after he played in only five games and landed on the Injured Reserve list with a herniated disc in his neck in 2013. "I don't think you go into the next season saying David Wilson's going to be our No. 1 starting running back," general manager Jerry Reese said. "The guy is coming off of a neck surgery, if he decides to have it." The Giants are optimistic that Wilson will continue his career, but it's not set in stone.

 

[Touchdown There]

If Brown didn't get hurt he my have been a top-10 back after this. Wilson is lucky

haha funny one when has Brown stayed healthy long enough to be a full time back and a top 10 back at that???? haha these posts crack me up. 6 different teams and 80 career carries with nothing that really sets him apart from anyone. Brown is an avg back at best with below avg durability. Wilson has no durability questions, can run, catch and block decently, although the missed block was cause for concern, I think it was first game jitters not to mention they went first two series of the game without a run which I thought was awkward and weird. anyways. Just had to post something on that one that caught my eye.

The last laugh >

...is yet to come in this series. But nice try.

Exactly. The last laugh is yet to come.

 

[ShaHBucks]

If Brown didn't get hurt he my have been a top-10 back after this. Wilson is lucky

haha funny one when has Brown stayed healthy long enough to be a full time back and a top 10 back at that???? haha these posts crack me up. 6 different teams and 80 career carries with nothing that really sets him apart from anyone. Brown is an avg back at best with below avg durability. Wilson has no durability questions, can run, catch and block decently, although the missed block was cause for concern, I think it was first game jitters not to mention they went first two series of the game without a run which I thought was awkward and weird. anyways. Just had to post something on that one that caught my eye.

The last laugh >

...is yet to come in this series. But nice try.

Exactly. The last laugh is yet to come.

??

 

[Gandalf]

I think Wilson having surgery is a good sign. No way he has surgery if he has played his last down. They will fix him and I anticipate he will be terrific value in dynasty leagues. He can be had right now for nothing.

 

[menobrown]

I think Wilson having surgery is a good sign. No way he has surgery if he has played his last down. They will fix him and I anticipate he will be terrific value in dynasty leagues. He can be had right now for nothing.

Yes I think this is very true. I was saddled with Wilson and Finley on some dynasty teams this year. While reading up on Finley earlier in the year I came across multiple medical opinions which stated spinal stenosis does not heal on it's own. Symptoms may subside but whatever caused the issue in the first place is structurally related and without surgery would still exists and those players would be in danger if they actually could find a team to clear them. We hear surgery and assume it's bad news but in these case it's really encouraging. Finley and Wilson as examples could both live normal lives without surgery, they just won't play in the NFL again. The only reason they had or will have surgery is to try and return to the NFL.