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David Wilson (Dynasty Owners Have to be Psyched!) (1 Viewer)

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I was watching these highlights of Wilson. ANd I was like dang. That guy doesn't slow down when he makes a big cut whatsoever. Can anyone think of any RB's in this league that cut on a dime at as fast a speed as David Wilson does?! If you can please provide a link with Youtube Highlights. I'd love to see it. If your a Dynasty Owner of David WIlson you gotta be licking your chops right now. This kid has the IT factor if he can just be a little more patient on inside runs, get better at Pass Protection, and hold onto the Football. If he refines those 3 things. Sky is the limit for this kid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviR8HjLDxk :banned:

 
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David Wilson does strike me as C.J. Spiller Vol 2.0I wouldn't be so sure Ahmad Bradshaw is back in NY next year either.

 
Matt Waldman is the author of The Rookie Scouting Portfolio, a testament to his obsession with film analysis, now available for download. Examples of his work can be found at his blog. He is helping the Fifth Down rank skill position players before the draft:

4. David Wilson, running back, Virginia Tech (5-9, 206)

Physically, Wilson might have as much upside as any back in this draft, and from this perspective, he might be the best back to come out of Virginia Tech. Ryan Williams was a conceptually smarter runner with great effort and a strong array of skills, but purely from an athletic perspective Wilson is to Williams what Trent Richardson is to Mark Ingram.

Wilson’s quickness, speed, balance and stop-start agility are among the best in the country, and it makes him a special athlete/runner in the open field. Get him in space and he’s a nightmare to bring down. When he’s disciplined about what he’s doing, he has the pad level, acceleration and technique to be productive as a between-the-tackles, chain-moving runner.

Wilson is a “strong” 205 pounds, and I think he can probably add another 10 pounds to his frame as he matures. He runs through wraps and hits that many backs his size cannot. I have seen him run through wraps of defensive tackles in the backfield or head-on collisions with safeties in the hole.

Wilson combines that strength with a quick first step and excellent stop-start movement to change direction and avoid defenders in tight spaces. He has flexible hips to change direction in short spaces and the power to run through wraps and drag larger defenders extra yards, and the burst to get downfield quickly. His speed around corners is excellent in the same way that Darren McFadden can bend runs at angles with high speed.

Wilson’s great acceleration and willingness to bang into players without a lot of patience is reminiscent of McFadden’s play in college. Wilson has better cutting ability than McFadden, but like McFadden, C.J. Spiller, LeSean McCoy and Jamaal Charles, Wilson needs to learn to become a better decision maker at the line of scrimmage. He tries to bounce runs to the corner too often, and he’ll even attempt to reverse his field once his initial bounce doesn’t work.

He has to do a better job of protecting the football. He doesn’t always have three points of pressure on the ball, and he twice had games of three fumbles, some because of his intense second effort. Again, this stems from a never-say-die attitude that he has to learn to balance with a more mature style of play. Accepting a shorter gain rather than a big loss or turnover is something Wilson has demonstrated difficulty learning at this stage of his career. Based on the recent success of the players listed above, Wilson has the same style of athleticism to develop into a star at the position

Wilson catches the ball well, and he has potential to develop into a good pass protector because he generally diagnoses the blitzes with good initial footwork before contact. His footwork-punch coordination needs to be refined. He often delivers a punch when his feet are not in good position against the defender he is trying to block, and this can get him into trouble with better edge rushers. However, the potential to develop into a good pass protector is there.

Clearly, his upside is greater than the grades I have given him, and he is a potential feature back if he shores up his weaknesses. I do not know if there is a better pure athlete as a runner in this draft other than Trent Richardson – and Wilson probably has better speed and lateral agility. What he has to learn makes him more of a boom-bust pick, but I believe based on the past history of the backs I mentioned, Wilson will make the transition to a smarter runner that the N.F.L. requires.

 
I really love what Waldman said a year ago in the bold. And watching the film from this year I agree. Kid has some stuff you just can't teach. :)

 
If you want my honest opinion, Darren Sproles is probably the best cutter in the game right now. Or at least he has been in recent seasons.His college highlight reel is a thing of beauty:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4PsgXbvTuURay Rice is also really good at planting and cutting. Trent Richardson too. Spiller is another good choice. Wilson is an interesting prospect because of his strength/speed/workout numbers/production, but I don't think he's great in terms of making people miss. Martin and Richardson were both better at that in college. My biggest issue with Wilson as a prospect was actually that he took too many big hits because he had below average vision and instincts. He is a phenomenal athlete otherwise.

 
'lbouchard said:
Yea, Shady gets my vote. Didn't have a great year but when McCoy plants his leg there's not a guy with better one step burst in the league.Wilson's got the goods to be great, though, just needs to refine his game. Could take a couple years to get all the other pieces together, though. I don't think he becomes a feature back next year.
 
Watching the Film I'm convinced he could be a little like CJ Spiller. But I think he is better between the tackles then Spiller is going to be. Not sure I worded that right.

 
'jacobo_moses said:
... if he can just be a little more patient on inside runs, get better at Pass Protection, and hold onto the Football. If he refines those 3 things. Sky is the limit for this kid.
Yeah, he's going to be awesome just as soon as he fixes all of those things.
 
Wasn't this guy crying on the sideline after a fumble in week 1?His price is so high right now its time to sell sell sell.

 
Wasn't this guy crying on the sideline after a fumble in week 1?His price is so high right now its time to sell sell sell.
So you want to cut good guys that actually care about the game and take it that seriously? I say buy guys like that. Obviously its wise to sell anybody if the price is right but dont sell because he cares enough to get upset. Watching Bradshaw all year and then Wilson it felt like I was watching on that first fast forward option. Guy instantly gave the Giants a dynamic running game both INSIDE the tackles and outside. Very good at run after contact and obviously dangerous in space. Im a huge Bradshaw fan, love the guy but traded him away to the Wilson owner and now I can finally just sit back and enjoy watching my team.
 
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'trader jake said:
I wouldn't be so sure Ahmad Bradshaw is back in NY next year either.
I'd be shocked if Bradshaw wasn't back with NY - he brings a lot to the team and is a very good all around RB in his own right. He'll certainly split more with Wilson, but I don't think Wilson's going to "start" over Bradshaw in the immediate future. All bets are off if/when Bradshaw's foot acts up again...
 
I own Bradshaw and Wilson in a couple of leagues. As much as I would like to see Bradshaw packed off to Arizona or Detroit I just dont see what benefit the gIants get by releasing him and making another team better.. If they keep him they could have fresher legs at the end of the season and far more tactical options.HAte to say it but I think Bradshaw takes his bad foot somewhere after the season.

 
I think Bradshaw will be around for one more year. With Bradshaw always having foot issues I see Wilson taking a larger role.

 
I think Bradshaw will be around for one more year. With Bradshaw always having foot issues I see Wilson taking a larger role.
Even if Bradshaw is healthy I still think Wilson takes a much larger role, but I don't envision him being a real fantasy force with Bradshaw getting at least a half share of the touches. Will be fun to see what happens.
 
If Brown is still around next season, he'll be in the mix as well. Even if Bradshaw is gone, I could easily see a RBBC with Brown getting the lions share of the goal line work.

 
'trader jake said:
I wouldn't be so sure Ahmad Bradshaw is back in NY next year either.
I'd be shocked if Bradshaw wasn't back with NY - he brings a lot to the team and is a very good all around RB in his own right. He'll certainly split more with Wilson, but I don't think Wilson's going to "start" over Bradshaw in the immediate future. All bets are off if/when Bradshaw's foot acts up again...
Similar to the Fred Jackson/CJ Spiller sentiment before last season. Things can change fast and Bradshaw's injury history (& lack of practice) has to be a concern.
 
'jacobo_moses said:
I was watching these highlights of Wilson. ANd I was like dang. That guy doesn't slow down when he makes a big cut whatsoever. Can anyone think of any RB's in this league that cut on a dime at as fast a speed as David Wilson does?! If you can please provide a link with Youtube Highlights. I'd love to see it. If your a Dynasty Owner of David WIlson you gotta be licking your chops right now. This kid has the IT factor if he can just be a little more patient on inside runs, get better at Pass Protection, and hold onto the Football. If he refines those 3 things. Sky is the limit for this kid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviR8HjLDxk :banned:
Wilson is everything we wanted from Jerious Norwood, who could never stay healthy and was too thin in the lower body.
 
'DropKick said:
'finito said:
'trader jake said:
I wouldn't be so sure Ahmad Bradshaw is back in NY next year either.
I'd be shocked if Bradshaw wasn't back with NY - he brings a lot to the team and is a very good all around RB in his own right. He'll certainly split more with Wilson, but I don't think Wilson's going to "start" over Bradshaw in the immediate future. All bets are off if/when Bradshaw's foot acts up again...
Similar to the Fred Jackson/CJ Spiller sentiment before last season. Things can change fast and Bradshaw's injury history (& lack of practice) has to be a concern.
Definitely true. I still think Bradshaw gets a big part of the pie though unless he is injured, which is more than plausible...
 
'jacobo_moses said:
I was watching these highlights of Wilson. ANd I was like dang. That guy doesn't slow down when he makes a big cut whatsoever. Can anyone think of any RB's in this league that cut on a dime at as fast a speed as David Wilson does?!
To be honest watching this video I do not see Wilson making what I would call a big cut in any of his runs/returns.What I do see is a guy making small cuts which at times includes slowing down in order to set up a better angle to run past a defender. His success rate in doing this is pretty decent but he does not always make the defender miss and the hesitation during his cut is enough for other defenders to catch him in pursuit.So no I am not very impressed with Wilson ability to maintain speed when cutting as I did not really see him doing that much at all. At least as not as many times as I saw backflips in this video.What I do like about Wilson is his ability to set up blockers for himself pretty well and also his ability to get yards after contact. Wilsons is a very fast RB with great acceleration, so perhaps this is what you mean is that he seems to be able to get up to top speed quickly once he guns for an open spot on the field. He has good balance to keep his feet after a hit also, I saw several spin moves to avoid most of the contact on those runs, sometimes he was able to get extra yardage following the spin move, most of the time another defender still wraps him up.I think he is a quality prospect that will likely share time with Bradshaw for most of 2013. You also should not be surprised if the Giants draft another RB this season who would then be pushing/sharing time with Wilson even after Bradshaw moves on.So overall I see Wilsons opportunity limited by the time share, but I do think Wilson has enough talent to eventually emerge from that as the starting RB for the Giants perhaps in 2014-15. Based on the Giants history with RBs however I think he will always be in some form of a time share that will limit his potential. At least until a coaching change or something else changes the Giants philosophy and history about that. Even Tiki Barber had a hard time earning that level of workload for the Giants.
 
'jacobo_moses said:
I was watching these highlights of Wilson. ANd I was like dang. That guy doesn't slow down when he makes a big cut whatsoever. Can anyone think of any RB's in this league that cut on a dime at as fast a speed as David Wilson does?!
To be honest watching this video I do not see Wilson making what I would call a big cut in any of his runs/returns.What I do see is a guy making small cuts which at times includes slowing down in order to set up a better angle to run past a defender. His success rate in doing this is pretty decent but he does not always make the defender miss and the hesitation during his cut is enough for other defenders to catch him in pursuit.So no I am not very impressed with Wilson ability to maintain speed when cutting as I did not really see him doing that much at all. At least as not as many times as I saw backflips in this video.
:goodposting: I watched the whole video waiting for the big cuts without losing acceleration... I didn't see them either. I thought the same thing with the backflips. Also, there was very little utility in showing the same play 2-3 times.I like Wilson as a good RB prospect, but, frankly, I was more excited about him last year. It may well be another year waiting for fantasy results, and a goal line vulture would not be a surprise. But, hey, I traded CJ Spiller because I didn't want to wait another year or so for him to overtake Fred Jackson. :(
 
The current Giant brass has done a very good job in evaluating talent in the college ranks. Wilson becoming a bigger force may take longer than we'd like, but I trust them on this one.

 
I'm reading a lot of posts that only discuss Bradshaw and Wilson... I'd be interested in hearing why everyone is so quick to disregard Andre Brown. He looked great when healthy last year and a broken fibula isn't something that will jeopardize his 2013 season at all. He's a RFA, so he's likely to be back (probably moreso than Bradshaw), and IMO seems to have a better shot at being the starter than Wilson does. Not sure why his name isn't being brought up more... What am I missing?

 
I'm reading a lot of posts that only discuss Bradshaw and Wilson... I'd be interested in hearing why everyone is so quick to disregard Andre Brown. He looked great when healthy last year and a broken fibula isn't something that will jeopardize his 2013 season at all. He's a RFA, so he's likely to be back (probably moreso than Bradshaw), and IMO seems to have a better shot at being the starter than Wilson does. Not sure why his name isn't being brought up more... What am I missing?
Brown will be back on the Giants as the 3rd RB incase Bradshaw goes down; Wilson wouldn't be able to handle the whole load.
 
I'm reading a lot of posts that only discuss Bradshaw and Wilson... I'd be interested in hearing why everyone is so quick to disregard Andre Brown. He looked great when healthy last year and a broken fibula isn't something that will jeopardize his 2013 season at all. He's a RFA, so he's likely to be back (probably moreso than Bradshaw), and IMO seems to have a better shot at being the starter than Wilson does. Not sure why his name isn't being brought up more... What am I missing?
Brown will be back on the Giants as the 3rd RB incase Bradshaw goes down; Wilson wouldn't be able to handle the whole load.
Not sure why the phrase, "wouldn't be able to handle the whole load" is tossed around so loosely around here. Whatever happened to the days when these RBs could handle the "whole load"? I'm not talking about someone taking 6 or 7 carries from the main RB either. What makes you think Wilson can't? Why must everyone think RBs has to have someone to take a lot of the carries with them? Are RBs more brittle now than 15, 20, or 30 years ago?
 
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I'm reading a lot of posts that only discuss Bradshaw and Wilson... I'd be interested in hearing why everyone is so quick to disregard Andre Brown. He looked great when healthy last year and a broken fibula isn't something that will jeopardize his 2013 season at all. He's a RFA, so he's likely to be back (probably moreso than Bradshaw), and IMO seems to have a better shot at being the starter than Wilson does. Not sure why his name isn't being brought up more... What am I missing?
Brown will be back on the Giants as the 3rd RB incase Bradshaw goes down; Wilson wouldn't be able to handle the whole load.
Not sure why the phrase, "wouldn't be able to handle the whole load" is tossed around so loosely around here. Whatever happened to the days when these RBs could handle the "whole load"? I'm not talking about someone taking 6 or 7 carries from the main RB either. What makes you think Wilson can't? Why must everyone think RBs has to have someone to take a lot of the carries with them? Are RBs more brittle now than 15, 20, or 30 years ago?
** RBs that Wilson are comparable to (Charles / Spiller) need a couple of yrs in the NFL before they are ready to take a full load of pounding. ** Giants have a history of keeping young RBs in backup status until they turn over the reigns to them (Bradshaw / Barber)** Wilson needs to prove he can pass-block and not put the ball on the ground before he takes a the load.
 
I'm reading a lot of posts that only discuss Bradshaw and Wilson... I'd be interested in hearing why everyone is so quick to disregard Andre Brown. He looked great when healthy last year and a broken fibula isn't something that will jeopardize his 2013 season at all. He's a RFA, so he's likely to be back (probably moreso than Bradshaw), and IMO seems to have a better shot at being the starter than Wilson does. Not sure why his name isn't being brought up more... What am I missing?
Brown will be back on the Giants as the 3rd RB incase Bradshaw goes down; Wilson wouldn't be able to handle the whole load.
Not sure why the phrase, "wouldn't be able to handle the whole load" is tossed around so loosely around here. Whatever happened to the days when these RBs could handle the "whole load"? I'm not talking about someone taking 6 or 7 carries from the main RB either. What makes you think Wilson can't? Why must everyone think RBs has to have someone to take a lot of the carries with them? Are RBs more brittle now than 15, 20, or 30 years ago?
** RBs that Wilson are comparable to (Charles / Spiller) need a couple of yrs in the NFL before they are ready to take a full load of pounding. ** Giants have a history of keeping young RBs in backup status until they turn over the reigns to them (Bradshaw / Barber)** Wilson needs to prove he can pass-block and not put the ball on the ground before he takes a the load.
Didn't he have one whole fumble.
 
I'm reading a lot of posts that only discuss Bradshaw and Wilson... I'd be interested in hearing why everyone is so quick to disregard Andre Brown. He looked great when healthy last year and a broken fibula isn't something that will jeopardize his 2013 season at all. He's a RFA, so he's likely to be back (probably moreso than Bradshaw), and IMO seems to have a better shot at being the starter than Wilson does. Not sure why his name isn't being brought up more... What am I missing?
Brown will be back on the Giants as the 3rd RB incase Bradshaw goes down; Wilson wouldn't be able to handle the whole load.
Not sure why the phrase, "wouldn't be able to handle the whole load" is tossed around so loosely around here. Whatever happened to the days when these RBs could handle the "whole load"? I'm not talking about someone taking 6 or 7 carries from the main RB either. What makes you think Wilson can't? Why must everyone think RBs has to have someone to take a lot of the carries with them? Are RBs more brittle now than 15, 20, or 30 years ago?
** RBs that Wilson are comparable to (Charles / Spiller) need a couple of yrs in the NFL before they are ready to take a full load of pounding. ** Giants have a history of keeping young RBs in backup status until they turn over the reigns to them (Bradshaw / Barber)** Wilson needs to prove he can pass-block and not put the ball on the ground before he takes a the load.
Didn't he have one whole fumble.
yeap, his 3rd carry in the NFL. Thats how it works under TC, you need to earn his trust. Kid fumbled lots of times in college and when he got his chance in the pros he drops the ball. He'll have all of 2013 to earn that trust while playing behind Bradshaw.
 
I'm reading a lot of posts that only discuss Bradshaw and Wilson... I'd be interested in hearing why everyone is so quick to disregard Andre Brown. He looked great when healthy last year and a broken fibula isn't something that will jeopardize his 2013 season at all. He's a RFA, so he's likely to be back (probably moreso than Bradshaw), and IMO seems to have a better shot at being the starter than Wilson does. Not sure why his name isn't being brought up more... What am I missing?
Brown will be back on the Giants as the 3rd RB incase Bradshaw goes down; Wilson wouldn't be able to handle the whole load.
Not sure why the phrase, "wouldn't be able to handle the whole load" is tossed around so loosely around here. Whatever happened to the days when these RBs could handle the "whole load"? I'm not talking about someone taking 6 or 7 carries from the main RB either. What makes you think Wilson can't? Why must everyone think RBs has to have someone to take a lot of the carries with them? Are RBs more brittle now than 15, 20, or 30 years ago?
** RBs that Wilson are comparable to (Charles / Spiller) need a couple of yrs in the NFL before they are ready to take a full load of pounding. ** Giants have a history of keeping young RBs in backup status until they turn over the reigns to them (Bradshaw / Barber)** Wilson needs to prove he can pass-block and not put the ball on the ground before he takes a the load.
Didn't he have one whole fumble.
yeap, his 3rd carry in the NFL. Thats how it works under TC, you need to earn his trust. Kid fumbled lots of times in college and when he got his chance in the pros he drops the ball. He'll have all of 2013 to earn that trust while playing behind Bradshaw.
I still think Wilson gets most or an even share of the carries next year. This season showed that Bradshaw's foot isn't going to hold up. Certainly they could go into next year thinking that it will be Bradshaw's last year with the team and run him till the wheels fall off. But that also slows Wilson's development and while you can't predict injuries, Bradshaw's feet being an issue if he gets a full load is almost a certainty. With Wilson's abilities, they won't sit him. The fumble isn't an issue. Beside Bradshaw has had a big issue with fumbles himself, as had Jacobs and it had little impact on their play time.
 
This guy makes a few good points. The one I most agree with is the fact that Coughlin knows he has to get his playmakers out there. Its like keeping Randall Cobb on the bench or just giving him 5 looks a game. You make sure Wilson gets 15 to 20 looks (carries, or rec) a game. Bottom line. I think Wilson will average 15 carries a game easy next season. Especially if Bradshaw continues having chronic foot issues. And I"m not taking anything away from Andre Brown (but the dude just can't stay healthy)http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/01/23/now-is-the-time-for-david-wilson/

 
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With Ahmad Bradshaw released. As a Dyn owner of David Wilson. I'm excited as the next guy. But lets put the breaks on for a minute. He still needs to work on his Pass Protection and ball security some more before we start touting him has a top RB. Andre Brown I think sees 40% of the workload at least this year. So as a Dyn owner I'm more excited for 2014 then for 2013. The kid still has some stuff to iron out. :)

 
With Ahmad Bradshaw released. As a Dyn owner of David Wilson. I'm excited as the next guy. But lets put the breaks on for a minute. He still needs to work on his Pass Protection and ball security some more before we start touting him has a top RB. Andre Brown I think sees 40% of the workload at least this year. So as a Dyn owner I'm more excited for 2014 then for 2013. The kid still has some stuff to iron out. :)
Dyn? You type an entire paragraph (after bumping YOUR Wilson thread rather than putting it in one of the other Wilson/Bradshaw threads on the first page) but can't type out "dynasty"? :lmao:
 
'ConnSKINS26 said:
'jacobo_moses said:
With Ahmad Bradshaw released. As a Dyn owner of David Wilson. I'm excited as the next guy. But lets put the breaks on for a minute. He still needs to work on his Pass Protection and ball security some more before we start touting him has a top RB. Andre Brown I think sees 40% of the workload at least this year. So as a Dyn owner I'm more excited for 2014 then for 2013. The kid still has some stuff to iron out. :)
Dyn? You type an entire paragraph (after bumping YOUR Wilson thread rather than putting it in one of the other Wilson/Bradshaw threads on the first page) but can't type out "dynasty"? :lmao:
:whoosh: :shrug: Sorry didn't realize you were the thread police. :o :clyde:
 
'ConnSKINS26 said:
'jacobo_moses said:
With Ahmad Bradshaw released. As a Dyn owner of David Wilson. I'm excited as the next guy. But lets put the breaks on for a minute. He still needs to work on his Pass Protection and ball security some more before we start touting him has a top RB. Andre Brown I think sees 40% of the workload at least this year. So as a Dyn owner I'm more excited for 2014 then for 2013. The kid still has some stuff to iron out. :)
Dyn? You type an entire paragraph (after bumping YOUR Wilson thread rather than putting it in one of the other Wilson/Bradshaw threads on the first page) but can't type out "dynasty"? :lmao:
:whoosh: :shrug: Sorry didn't realize you were the thread police. :o :clyde:
That was the minor part. I just happened to notice it was your thread that you dug up.The main point was the "dyn". Come on.
 
'ConnSKINS26 said:
'jacobo_moses said:
With Ahmad Bradshaw released. As a Dyn owner of David Wilson. I'm excited as the next guy. But lets put the breaks on for a minute. He still needs to work on his Pass Protection and ball security some more before we start touting him has a top RB. Andre Brown I think sees 40% of the workload at least this year. So as a Dyn owner I'm more excited for 2014 then for 2013. The kid still has some stuff to iron out. :)
Dyn? You type an entire paragraph (after bumping YOUR Wilson thread rather than putting it in one of the other Wilson/Bradshaw threads on the first page) but can't type out "dynasty"? :lmao:
:whoosh: :shrug: Sorry didn't realize you were the thread police. :o :clyde:
That was the minor part. I just happened to notice it was your thread that you dug up.The main point was the "dyn". Come on.
Come on all the cool kidz talk like that. Here is a cut on a dime for you jacobo: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/0ap2000000116512/RB-Peterson-20-yd-run
 
'jacobo_moses said:
With Ahmad Bradshaw released. As a Dyn owner of David Wilson. I'm excited as the next guy. But lets put the breaks on for a minute. He still needs to work on his Pass Protection and ball security some more before we start touting him has a top RB. Andre Brown I think sees 40% of the workload at least this year. So as a Dyn owner I'm more excited for 2014 then for 2013. The kid still has some stuff to iron out. :)
You are pimping the right guy for dyn jacobo. This guy is going to be a dyn stud for a long time. :popcorn:
 
I'm in need of a number 2 RB with Richardson. Would you trade Cobb for Wilson and use Crabtree DX, j Baldwin and 9 overall rookie pick(WR) with Trent and cam?

 
Watching the Film I'm convinced he could be a little like CJ Spiller. But I think he is better between the tackles then Spiller is going to be. Not sure I worded that right.
ehhhhh, let's slow down here.I love Wilson don't get me wrong. I think he can be a top 5 back in New York... but he is not in the same tier of talent as CJ Spiller.
 
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I own him. :) Traded Donald Brown and Denarius Moore for him and Robert Meachem sometime last year.Excited to have him.

 

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