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Casserly: Jadeveon Clowney is most talented player in draft

By Bryan Fischer

College Football 24/7 writer

One of the best things about the NFL draft is the domino effect that goes on each round as teams grab an unexpected player or make a sudden trade. All the chaos has to start somewhere, however, and this year that red button falls into the hands of the Houston Texans and the No. 1 overall pick.

NFL Media analyst Charlie Casserly is somebody very familiar with the pressure at the top from his days as an executive with the Redskins and Texans. He even made the bold (at the time) decision to draft Mario Williams first in 2006.

This year he sees a familiar theme building at the top, but there just so happens to be a player even more talented than the one he selected years ago.

"What you want to do is when you wake up the next morning, feel good that you took the best player in the draft," Casserly said on Path to the Draft. "The best talent in the draft is Jadeveon Clowney. Guy makes rare plays against the run, rare plays against the pass. Maybe the most talented defensive end I've ever scouted."

"There's a lot of questions to answer, but he's a rare talent at his position."

With decades of experience in scouting and the NFL, Casserly calling Clowney the best defensive end he's ever laid eyes on is no small thing. Considered the best player coming out of high school and later racked up accolades in the SEC, most tend to agree that the South Carolina star has shown he could play at a high level in the NFL.

But still, that's not to say he's perfect and a shoo-in for the Texans to take first.

"What about his work habits? What about his practice habits? What about his medical? Those are all legitimate questions," Casserly said. "There are a lot of plays where he doesn't come off blocks as well as I would like and he has to develop a counter move on the pass rush. This is not a no-brainer.

"The other one? He's going to a 3-4 defense. Can he stand up?"

Those are certainly questions Houston will have to figure out over the next few weeks as they evaluate Clowney. It won't just be them doing their homework either as teams immediately behind the Texans have to be ready to pull the trigger on the defensive end if he isn't the guy at No. 1.

So what happens if Bill O'Brien opts for a quarterback instead of defensive help?

NFL Media Analyst Daniel Jeremiah thinks the Rams pick at No. 13 will have a big impact on what they do at No. 2 if Clowney is still on the board.

"You've got Greg Robinson and Mike Evans, that's one scenario," said Jeremiah. "Or let's say they go Sammy Watkins first and then they have to hold their breath that Taylor Lewan is still there. So these are the two different matchups you want. Do you want Taylor Lewan and Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans and Greg Robinson?"

Charles Davis believes the Rams won't think things through as much if the Texans opt for somebody else at the top, jumping at the chance to grab Clowney second overall.

Plenty of scenarios. Plenty of talent. Plenty of time for the Texans, Rams and everybody else to try and sort things out.

Follow Bryan Fischer on Twitter @BryanDFischer.
 
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It's a mistake to believe South Carolina edge player Jadeveon Clowney doesn't have a good work ethic, says NFL.com's Charles Davis.
"To this point in his career he hasn't had to work as hard as other guys because he's just been flat-out better than everybody else," wrote Davis. "Will he learn the work ethic it will take for him to continue to be dominant as a pro? The great ones do. I don't recall hearing a lot about Clowney's motor until this past season, when he might have had people in his ear telling him not to get hurt with the draft awaiting him." This is a refreshingly nuanced viewpoint from a thoughtful analyst. You'll read plenty of lazy sportswriters referring to Clowney as "lazy," an irony that might be funny if it weren't so frighteningly devoid of context. Until you've been put in a position where you legally must risk millions of dollars (in this case, the NFL's draft eligibility rule), you should be reticent to criticize how a 21-year-old does the same.

Source: NFL.com
 
To me the best comp to Clowney is DeMarcus Ware. Clowney is even 15 lbs. heavier, an inch taller and slightly faster in the 40. Both dominated their first two years in college. However, instead of having a down junior season Ware was able to go to the NFL.

 
In my 10 team IDP draft, I'm very much thinking about this guy at 7....I'm not sure he makes it to my next pick at 14.

 
Jadeveon Clowney's pro day leads top workouts of weekBy Gil Brandt

NFL Media senior analyst

Excerpt:

I first met Jadeveon Clowney on Nov. 5, 2010, in Columbia, S.C. He and his mother and father were in town for their recruiting trip to the University of South Carolina, and we were staying in the same hotel, the Carolina Inn. It gave me an opportunity to meet this young man and talk to him at length over the next couple of days.

The day after I met him we rode to Williams-Brice Stadium together to watch South Carolina's game against Arkansas. During those two days I spent some time talking to him about his career at South Point High School in Rock Hill, S.C. I was very impressed with him. He was only 17 at the time, but asked great questions and spoke very well.

The next fall, in September 2011, I received a phone call from Lincoln Riley, the offensive coordinator from East Carolina. Riley was excited to talk to me about two defensive linemen from South Carolina that his team had just played against the week before -- he called them "No. 6 and No. 7." He was referring to Melvin Ingram, who went on to become a first-round pick in the 2012 draft, and Clowney, who was a freshman. "You won't believe these two guys we played against," Riley said, telling me that his offense had difficulty against them all game long.

That game was the first of Clowney's college career, and against a pretty good team he had seven tackles, including 1.5 for a loss, which is pretty incredible, considering he was only 18 and just starting out. I continued to watch Clowney that year and the next year, when he was a sophomore, and was really impressed with what I saw from him.

After watching him this past season in the Gamecocks' opening game, a night game against North Carolina, I was disappointed because Clowney didn't look like he was in very good shape; he asked out of the game several times and didn't have a very good performance. In watching him throughout the rest of the season, he didn't play anywhere close to the level he had in 2011 and 2012.

Going forward, with the draft approaching, I hope that what we saw from Clowney in 2011 and 2012 is what we're going to get in the NFL -- not the one who was out of shape and recorded only three sacks last season.

The objective at Clowney's pro day Wednesday will be to try to find out which is the real Clowney: the one that we saw against East Carolina as a freshman or the one that played last season.
 
Jadeveon Clowney: From legend to lightning rod to No. 1 pick?

By Kimberly Jones

NFL Media reporter

Jadeveon Clowney has spent the day in an office in Charlotte, N.C., with financial professionals who will manage and protect his future wealth. The short-term prospects are unquestionably bright, to the tune of eight figures. The goal is to make sure the long term is as sunny. Clowney, with energy to burn, has had enough of the conference rooms. But before going to work out, he holds court with his former high school coach, Bobby Carroll, and his agent, Bus Cook, among others. Clowney mentions that he incorporates the popular "Insanity" videos into his training and demonstrates one of fitness trainer Shaun T's signature moves, mimicking basketball jump shots with a squat in between. As a high school athlete, Clowney dabbled in basketball. "People love to see players dunk," he said, "and that's all I used to do -- dunk." Of course he did. What else would we expect?

On May 8, Jadeveon Clowney's life will change forever. That night, he'll be among the first picks -- perhaps the first pick -- in the 2014 NFL Draft. In the meantime, he runs and lifts and concentrates on staying healthy. On Wednesday, he'll participate in South Carolina's pro day. He won't run the 40-yard dash, having taken care of that at February's NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, a big man -- 6-foot-5 1/4, 266 pounds -- running a ridiculously fast 4.53.

Back in his familiar college environment, Clowney intends to showcase his skills in field drills.

"I'm gonna show them I move well through bag drills, and that my hips and feet are pretty good," Clowney said in an interview with NFL Network. "They want to see how you are through open space and how you move. So that's what I look forward to."

He knows he can rush the passer -- everyone knows this -- and is confident he can excel in coverage when the scheme calls for him to drop. His high school coaches say they occasionally would play him at outside linebacker, using his 83-inch wingspan to disrupt passing lanes. (For comparison: J.J. Watt's wingspan measures 82 1/2 inches.)

Last season, Clowney had to adjust his game at South Carolina to deal with double teams, sometimes triple teams, and he believes he's better for the experience. But his game is built on speed and quickness, and he said he wants to "develop my counter move off my speed rush."

He figures: "I'll be setting a lot of linemen up for big plays."

You get the feeling Clowney, who turned 21 on Valentine's Day, is eager for his pro day -- and more eager to be a pro. He says he wants to be great, which isn't much of a declaration, given his physical tools. But this is: "I want to be great to the point when you think about football players, you have to bring my name up in the conversation."

Clowney knows every eye will be on him Wednesday, trying to perceive something -- anything -- that provides a window into his competitive soul. There have been questions about his work ethic (we'll get to that), but there is no doubt about Clowney's athleticism and pure ability.

At the combine, one evaluator for an NFL team shook his head at the notion that any one of several players could be drafted first overall. "It's Clowney," he said. "Talent dictates he's the No. 1 pick. Has to be. You can't pass up that talent."

On Tuesday night, Clowney is expected to dine with Texans owner Bob McNair, general manager Rick Smith and head coach Bill O'Brien. Houston owns the first overall pick in the draft.

McNair, a South Carolina alumnus, told the Texans' website in January that Clowney "is a remarkable player. He's one of these players that's really a once-in-every-10-years kind of physical specimen that comes along." McNair already has spoken with Watt about the possibility of Clowney becoming his teammate.

So, about that pro day.

"(His) pro day will only get people more excited," a decision maker for another NFL team said. "Because he should blow it out of the water."

*****

On the national level, the legend of Jadeveon Clowney was born in a split second, on New Year's Day 2013, against Michigan in the Outback Bowl. Clowney knifed through the line and obliterated running back Vincent Smith as he took the handoff, simultaneously separating Smith's helmet from his head and the ball from his hands. The underappreciated conclusion of the play: Clowney recovered the fumble. Video of "The Hit" has been viewed millions upon millions of times. Clowney still hears about it "everywhere" he goes. "A lot of the people at the game said they didn't see it, but they heard it," he said. Of the continuing reaction, Clowney smiles and shakes his head, "It's crazy."

To be clear, by the end of his sophomore season, before that bowl game against the Wolverines, Clowney already might have been the best college football player in the country; he was a unanimous All-American and finished sixth in Heisman Trophy voting. However, in an instant, the hit lifted his profile to incredible heights. And, to Clowney's agent, Bus Cook, it will always provide a mythical measure of his college years.

"It reminds you of one of the old movies back in the days of vaudeville when they didn't have sound, and you'd see Charlie Chaplin run into a wall and fall down," Cook said. "It just happened so fast."

The play continues to reverberate, as Taylor Lewan was reminded at the combine when he was asked to explain it.

"It was not my fault," said Lewan, Michigan's left tackle on the play. "I hate to say it like that, because it's like I am blaming other people, but it was a double team between me and the guard on the backside linebacker. He just went unblocked."

Lewan took a breath. "At the same time, whether he was unblocked or not, that was one hell of a hit."

Clowney believes the hit created two certainties. The first? That he would get every opponent's best shot during the 2013 season. "A lot of guys played me a lot harder," Clowney said. "They were trying to prove a point out there on the field. I don't blame them. I like the competition. ... I'm out there to compete, and I hope everybody else out there on the field is competing."

The second? That he would be expected to make such highlight-reel plays on a regular basis. "Oh yeah," Clowney said. "It set a high standard."

*****

At South Pointe High School in Rock Hill, S.C., Clowney isn't just a graduate. He's an icon. Remember the goal-line stand -- when Clowney and the Stallions' defense stuffed an opponent on four downs from the 1-yard line -- that was followed by Clowney taking a handoff and running 99 yards for a touchdown on the ensuing offensive play? They surely remember here. "Knowing who he is, we've been waiting on this forever -- waiting on him to be a pro," current South Pointe football coach Strait Herron said. "Because we know that's what he is."

As you would expect, Clowney's high school career featured plenty of decorations: a state championship as a sophomore, runner-up as a senior, a 38-6 overall record. He was South Carolina's Mr. Football, made every All-American team. At South Pointe, he is an immensely popular figure, so popular he kept a visit last year secret in order to minimize the attention.

English teacher Cindy Koon remembers Clowney as a dedicated writer and frequent contributor to literature discussions in her classes, and also as a prankster who once snuck a plastic spider onto a cupcake she was dying to eat.

Homeroom -- they call it "Pointe Time" -- teacher Susan Fields said Clowney preferred to talk with classmates about family over football. Fields sometimes cooks meals for her students; Clowney's favorite was lasagna with sausage and hamburger.

And the school principal, Dr. Al Leonard, remembers calling Clowney into his office on several occasions, just to inquire how he was handling his growing stardom. Leonard said he would use professional athletes whose missteps had made headlines as examples to emphasize to Clowney the glare of the spotlight.

Carroll, South Pointe's football coach during Clowney's years, says it is impossible to comprehend Clowney's homegrown popularity until you witness it as he has, in restaurants and airports, at Gamecocks basketball games on campus, where Clowney signs autograph after autograph.

"He has iconic value, probably like Elvis did," Carroll said. "Rock-star aura."

The St. Louis Rams (No. 2 overall pick) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (No. 7) sent representatives to South Pointe to learn all they could about Clowney. They sat at Herron's desk and inquired if Clowney was ever a discipline problem. Herron, who was Clowney's defensive coordinator, assured them he was not.

Both Carroll and Herron describe Clowney as humble, fun-loving and occasionally willing to show mercy on the playing field.

"He'll probably get mad at me for telling you this," Herron said, "but I've seen him pull up when he's had the chance to really hit a quarterback. He was coming from the back side, and he could have killed him. Instead, he just picked him up and threw him down."

*****

When South Carolina was preparing in December for the Capital One Bowl, Herron stood watching, as other high school coaches do, from the sidelines. (Buffalo Bills cornerback Stephon Gilmore is also a South Pointe grad and played at South Carolina; Carroll and Herron have been welcome on those sidelines.) During the practice, Herron watched as Steve Spurrier became frustrated when Clowney pressured quarterback Connor Shaw on consecutive plays. "Get him off the field!" Spurrier said. "We can't get anything done with him out there!"

In high school, Clowney was so much better than other players, including his teammates, that Carroll often instructed him to go to the sidelines while the offense practiced. They weren't going to face a guy like Clowney on Friday nights, anyway.

At South Carolina, Herron wasn't particularly surprised to see Spurrier take the same approach. As Herron sees it, "Clowney wants to make every play."

But Clowney's effort was scrutinized during a 2013 season in which he logged just three sacks -- after recording 13 in 2012, a single-season record for the program -- including one in his last eight games. Was he really trying? Was this the same guy who dominated games a season before?

On Feb. 19, Spurrier was asked about Clowney's work ethic on NFL Network and said this: "He was OK. It wasn't like Marcus Lattimore, you know. Every player is a little different. ...

"His work habits are pretty good; they're not quite like Lattimore and maybe Stephon Gilmore, Melvin Ingram, some of those guys. But when the ball is snapped, he's got something nobody else has."

Perhaps it is worth noting that in all three of Clowney's seasons, the Gamecocks won 11 games, finished in the top 10 and won their bowl game. In 2013, defensive tackle Kelcy Quarles led the team in sacks.

"I didn't make a lot of plays last year, but the guy beside me made (9.5) sacks as a D-tackle," Clowney said. "That was big for him and big for our team. He helped our team out. I think I helped my team out even when I wasn't making a lot of plays. It was still a good season; we finished No. 4 in the country and we won 11 games again. I was happy about it."

As for his relationship now with Spurrier, Clowney said he has "nothing against him."

"Coach Spurrier is going to say what he wants to say, regardless," Clowney said. "Some days, he'd be at practice and he'd tell me, 'Don't go so hard, you're going to hurt somebody.' ... He'd take me off the field (and say), 'We don't need him out here right now.' "

As for those who suggest Clowney doesn't show the requisite love for the game to become a great pro, he is not as forgiving.

"When they say that, I take that as a spit in the face, really," Clowney said. "I wouldn't question that about me, personally. Do I love the game and take plays off? I don't take plays off. I wouldn't be playing this game if I didn't love it.

"I had the opportunity to go to school and play football, and I did. And I had the opportunity to sit out last year. Everyone was talking about sitting out, and I didn't. I was like, I want to play football. ... I really couldn't sit out on my teammates."

In his conversations with NFL teams, Cook -- who has a stable of high-profile clients and is perhaps best known for representing Brett Favre -- said no one has asked him about Clowney "taking plays off."

"Without question, regardless of position, he is the best talent in the draft," Cook said. "That's what I'm hearing from teams."

Cook contends that if Clowney is getting some sort of bad rap, that will change when people meet him.

"I don't know what the concept people have (of him) going in, but when they meet this guy, within five minutes, they realize he has that smile, he's got great demeanor, he's engaging," Cook said. "If it's an old lady or a little kid, he will engage them in conversation. If there is a negative image of him, I don't know where it came from. He's one of the nicest, most polite guys. He's a very, very good kid."

The NFL, of course, is largely concerned about production, about a player's drive -- his motor -- especially when it comes to a top draft pick.

Two evaluators for NFL teams compared the concerns about Clowney's every-down effort to the same knock on Julius Peppers when he came out of North Carolina. (Heading into his 13th season, Peppers has 118.5 career sacks.)

"The bottom line is, (Clowney's) a rare physical specimen with game-changing ability," one NFL executive concluded. "Similar concerns (to Peppers), but you can't overlook that type of game-changing talent."

Jeff Fisher, whose Rams have the second overall pick in May, was asked at last week's NFL Annual Meeting if Clowney's lack of sacks in 2013 was a red flag.

"Not if you watch the games, it's not," Fisher said. "Because the effort's there. You've got to give offenses credit, too. I mean, they were aware of where he was."

O'Brien, who should get to know Clowney better at Tuesday's dinner, answered a similar query: "I dare you to find me a guy that plays 90 snaps like his life's on the line every game. But when the game's on the line, Jadeveon plays hard. He's an explosive player, he's a productive player, he's an instinctive player.

"So I think that's kind of been blown out of proportion. But at the same time, we've got to make sure we get to know him, and then keep getting to know him when we get there."

Those close to Clowney are firm in their conviction. "He's different from what people expect," said Carroll, the coach who knows him best. "He's humble; lots of 'Yes sirs, no sirs.' He's a great kid. And I'll tell you what, if you ever play spades, you want to play with Clowney. He's a great spades player."

*****

When the South Pointe Stallions capped their 15-0 season with a state championship in 2008 -- Clowney was a sophomore -- every player received a ring. The following year, Clowney's bookbag was stolen from the school gym; his ring, which was inside, was gone. Recently, Clowney asked Carroll about getting a replacement. His reason? Clowney told Carroll that he wants to keep the high school ring and the South Carolina bowl rings together -- so they can be joined at some point by a Super Bowl ring. "He's such a strong competitor, that will weigh on his mind," Carroll said. "He's going into the NFL, regardless of where, saying, We're going to win a Super Bowl."

Clowney grew up in Rock Hill, S.C., about 30 miles from Charlotte and a little more than an hour's drive north of Columbia, home of the University of South Carolina. His mother, Josenna, instilled in him early the idea that he could never quit. And that included a miserable baseball season when he was 12 and couldn't hit the ball. He didn't enjoy the season, but he finished it.

Now Clowney says his motivation is to take care of his mother -- he also has an older sister and three young nieces -- to which Josenna offers a sigh.

"I know," she said. "But I tell him, he owes me nothing. I did what I did for him because I love him. He's my child. And I wasn't looking for anything in return."

Josenna and her father, John Clowney, are with Jadeveon on this day. They beam.

"I'm so proud of him," Josenna said. "I want him to fulfill his dream, and this has been his dream since he was 5, 6 years old."

"It's a great experience for me," Jadeveon's grandfather said, "because he's made his own dreams come true."

Josenna credits her father for helping the family over the years; he bought Jadeveon's first football equipment. She has worked for nearly 20 years at the Frito-Lay plant in Charlotte, and now everyone wants to know when she's going to quit. (Many playfully suggest May 9.) She says she doesn't know and appears to agonize over the decision.

"Frito-Lay has been good to me over the years. I love my job," she said. "It's going to be hard to walk away from that, because that's all I've been used to for the last 19, 20 years. Frito-Lay has been good for (Jadeveon). It enabled me to take care of him. He has not had a bad childhood."

There is ample uncertainty in the Clowney household these days -- and Josenna does not see her son as often as she'd like, because he is so busy -- but it is happy uncertainty. An anticipation of a dream realized, of good days to come.

Josenna's wish for her son? "I want him to know where he comes from and to give back to the community."

Jadeveon said he'll miss Rock Hill and South Pointe. He promises to return.

"That's gonna be me forever," he said. "Everything I did, I did in Rock Hill, (at) South Pointe. I'm gonna miss it."

But there is more to do.

It is the 24th of March, and the Houston Rockets are visiting the Charlotte Bobcats. Clowney sits courtside. He takes a picture with Michael Jordan.

After the game, he is invited into the Rockets' locker room, where a gregarious Dwight Howard predicts that Clowney will join him in Houston.

Howard then conducts an impromptu interview, microphone and all.

"Are you ready for the draft?" Howard asks.

"I'm ready, man," a smiling Clowney says.

Howard: "You had a great collegiate career -- now it's time to take it to the next level. What are your goals?"

"Shooting for Rookie of the Year, man," Clowney says. "Sacks, tackles for loss. Shooting for Rookie of the Year."

Follow Kimberly Jones on Twitter @KimJonesSports.
 
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I watched this Pro Day today. It was around 90 degrees and not a cloud in the sky but I'll bet there is no reason to run the sprinklers on that field thanks to all the drool the coaches and scouts left on it.

Clowney moves in a way no many should be capable of, let alone a man his size. Ridiculous.

 
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Mario Williams was Clowney before Clowney. So was Courtney Brown.and Julius Peppers. Don't get me wrong, I think he's in that class, but he's not JJ Watt yet. I'm guessing he's a top-3 pick unless he gets hurt, but even from a purely NFL perspective, he's not yet the revolutionary player the media is hyping him up to be. He's just this year's pick for revolutionary player.

Before I get ripped here, like I said, I think he's on the Peppers/Williams level of potential and upside. I just think too many folks are annointing him too early. Brown was a bust, Williams has been good to very good, and Peppers has been a stud. Even the great ones in college end up taking very different NFL career paths.
If you base your analysis on what the media tells you I guess I can see your point.

But on the field those guys aint Clowney
Not even close. And Watt wasn't half the college player as those other guys. He's turned into the best Pro but that's a different story.
I brought up Watt cause he's the best defender in the NFL across the line and people are already talking about Clowney like he'll step right in and put up 20 sacks and be hanging off QB's backs every play.Maybe you guys are young; maybe it's just that even 7-12 years ago (when Williams and Peppers were drafted) there wasn't sports science and prospect/draft coverage 365 days a year.

Peppers was a once in lifetime pass-rusher. He won every collegiate award for a DE (Lombardi, Bednarik...) averaged a sack a game and ran a 4.7 at 6'7, 283 at the combine.

Williams was even more coveted (he was picked #1 ahead of the "great" Reggie Bush).He didn't rack up the college awards, but he was the biggest freak of nature. 6'7,300 and ran a 4.7 fourty. No one had ever seen that. He was a pass-rusher in the chiseled body of a DT.

Clowney may be there with them in terms of prospect hype, but all I was saying is that the greatest (insert position) prospect of the last 25 years, or all-time... seems to come along every 5 or so years.
Thanks for clearing up the Watt piece. I see what you're talking about there. As for the other guys, I'm not too young to remember them at all. I actually remember all 3 of them very well and I believe Clowney is clearly a better prospect then each of them. High praise, I know. The athleticism gap is pretty wide from those guys to him. We are talking about a guy who will measure around 6'6", 275 and runs a 4.5 forty. Rumor has it he will jump around 35" in the vert as well. That. Is. Unreal. Better yet, he plays low to the ground with tremendous natural leverage. He can drive his shoulder into the ground and almost get parallel laterally, like a much smaller edge rusher. Think V. Miller. He's also got amazing length in his arms but great strength to go with it. This allows him to stock linemen trying to block him, read the play and simply chase people down with his incredible speed.

This guy is a man child and IMO is the best prospect I've ever seen. None of that matter once he's in the NFL of course. He needs to prove it there just like he is doing now.
Dang, not too far off on the measurables when I took a stab at it in Aug. Still believe he's the best prospect I've ever seen.

 
Mario Williams was Clowney before Clowney. So was Courtney Brown.and Julius Peppers. Don't get me wrong, I think he's in that class, but he's not JJ Watt yet. I'm guessing he's a top-3 pick unless he gets hurt, but even from a purely NFL perspective, he's not yet the revolutionary player the media is hyping him up to be. He's just this year's pick for revolutionary player.

Before I get ripped here, like I said, I think he's on the Peppers/Williams level of potential and upside. I just think too many folks are annointing him too early. Brown was a bust, Williams has been good to very good, and Peppers has been a stud. Even the great ones in college end up taking very different NFL career paths.
If you base your analysis on what the media tells you I guess I can see your point.

But on the field those guys aint Clowney
Not even close. And Watt wasn't half the college player as those other guys. He's turned into the best Pro but that's a different story.
I brought up Watt cause he's the best defender in the NFL across the line and people are already talking about Clowney like he'll step right in and put up 20 sacks and be hanging off QB's backs every play.Maybe you guys are young; maybe it's just that even 7-12 years ago (when Williams and Peppers were drafted) there wasn't sports science and prospect/draft coverage 365 days a year.

Peppers was a once in lifetime pass-rusher. He won every collegiate award for a DE (Lombardi, Bednarik...) averaged a sack a game and ran a 4.7 at 6'7, 283 at the combine.

Williams was even more coveted (he was picked #1 ahead of the "great" Reggie Bush).He didn't rack up the college awards, but he was the biggest freak of nature. 6'7,300 and ran a 4.7 fourty. No one had ever seen that. He was a pass-rusher in the chiseled body of a DT.

Clowney may be there with them in terms of prospect hype, but all I was saying is that the greatest (insert position) prospect of the last 25 years, or all-time... seems to come along every 5 or so years.
Thanks for clearing up the Watt piece. I see what you're talking about there. As for the other guys, I'm not too young to remember them at all. I actually remember all 3 of them very well and I believe Clowney is clearly a better prospect then each of them. High praise, I know. The athleticism gap is pretty wide from those guys to him. We are talking about a guy who will measure around 6'6", 275 and runs a 4.5 forty. Rumor has it he will jump around 35" in the vert as well. That. Is. Unreal. Better yet, he plays low to the ground with tremendous natural leverage. He can drive his shoulder into the ground and almost get parallel laterally, like a much smaller edge rusher. Think V. Miller. He's also got amazing length in his arms but great strength to go with it. This allows him to stock linemen trying to block him, read the play and simply chase people down with his incredible speed.

This guy is a man child and IMO is the best prospect I've ever seen. None of that matter once he's in the NFL of course. He needs to prove it there just like he is doing now.
Dang, not too far off on the measurables when I took a stab at it in Aug. Still believe he's the best prospect I've ever seen.
At DE I might agree. Certainly the best since Mario Williams and Julius Peppers and probably better. Maybe one of the best ever with Reggie White, though I admittedly wasn't following things as closely then.For other positions more recently (since I have followed more closely), player 0 type prospects at their respective positions:

Luck was one of the best QB prospects since Peyton Manning and John Elway

Adrian Peterson one of the best RB prospects since Barry Sanders, Bo Jackson and Eric Dickerson

Calvin Johnson the best WR prospect I've ever seen (perhaps I should include Randy Moss)

Vernon Davis the best TE prospect I've ever seen (Kellen Winslow, Sr. before I followed closely)

Ndamukong Suh might be the best DT prospect I've ever seen

Luke Kuechly one of the best LB prospects I've ever seen

The late, great Sean Taylor the best safety prospect I've seen since Kenny Easley (Eric Berry and Earl Thomas also great)

Charles Woodson and Deion Sanders probably the best CB prospects I've seen

Jonathan Cooper one of the best guard prospects I've seen in the past few decades

Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden were among the better LT prospects I've seen (Greg Robinson, for his quick feet, movement skills and agility for a big man, has one of the more rare set of physical traits and athletic attributes I've ever seen - 330+ lb. humans aren't supposed to move like that, either)

As freakish ATHLETE/talent combo prospects, Bo Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Clowney, Sean Taylor, Deion, Woodson and Vernon Davis loom large and stand very high in my estimation.

 
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As if the Colts, Titans and Jags OL's don't have enough to deal with (#5, #9, #10 respectively in most QB pressure allowed) - imagine what they feel like having to deal with Watt and Clowney.

J.J. Watt vs. the division:

2012 - 9.5 of his 20.5 sacks

2013 - 5 of his 10.5 sacks

 
Love the fact that he did drills that he couldn't prepare for and killed it. However the drills were focused on skills related to below the waist and it's apparent that his explosion is strictly lower body, by eye test his upper body lacks definition in relation to it which is reflected in his combine lift results. Reggie White and Bruce Smith could throw ya and run thru ya, I don't see that combination here. Lack of upper body definition at his size/weight IMO is strictly work ethic. Which leads to questions. Reading carefully into Mayocks words he appropriately said "most talented", not best player. That said, even with the work ethic issue I'd take him first without question. With his talent, work ethic will only make the difference between a perennial Pro Bowler and Hall of Famer.
 
Week 5 Pro Day Takeaways: Clowney sails, Henderson bails

Excerpt:

1. King Clowney proves yet again that he's the elite talent in the 2014 draft -

Any question about Clowney's ability to handle the transition to outside linebacker may have been put to rest with his sparkling workout.

Asked to run through a mix of defensive line and linebacker drills for scouts representing every team in the league, Clowney dazzled with his acceleration, fluidity and length. The 6-foot-5, 266 pounder was especially impressive during a leaping drill led by St. Louis Rams' defensive line coach Jim Washburn in which he soared over seven blocking bags, landed cleanly and showed off his balance and arm length to pluck tennis balls off the ground.

The ability to leap over bags may sound like a silly way to way to evaluate a prospect but Clowney has already dominated every other test put in front of him. The drill, which Washburn has used for years to test explosion, balance and agility, has reportedly never before been successfully completed with seven bags.

The Houston Texans may elect to go in another direction with the first pick. But if they do, Clowney has vowed to make them "miserable."

As my top-rated prospect all year long, I'm certainly not betting against him.
 
Love the fact that he did drills that he couldn't prepare for and killed it. However the drills were focused on skills related to below the waist and it's apparent that his explosion is strictly lower body, by eye test his upper body lacks definition in relation to it which is reflected in his combine lift results. Reggie White and Bruce Smith could throw ya and run thru ya, I don't see that combination here. Lack of upper body definition at his size/weight IMO is strictly work ethic. Which leads to questions. Reading carefully into Mayocks words he appropriately said "most talented", not best player. That said, even with the work ethic issue I'd take him first without question. With his talent, work ethic will only make the difference between a perennial Pro Bowler and Hall of Famer.
are you saying he's a Pro Bowl lock with NO work ethic??

 
Work ethic isn't a 0 or 10 kind of thing. A 10 in the talent department with a 3 work ethic can make Pro Bowls but unless the work ethic improves they often have a Jevon Kearse type career path.

 
Work ethic isn't a 0 or 10 kind of thing. A 10 in the talent department with a 3 work ethic can make Pro Bowls but unless the work ethic improves they often have a Jevon Kearse type career path.
So you think he's got a 3 for work ethic? The work ethic thing has been totally overblown.

 
Work ethic isn't a 0 or 10 kind of thing. A 10 in the talent department with a 3 work ethic can make Pro Bowls but unless the work ethic improves they often have a Jevon Kearse type career path.
So you think he's got a 3 for work ethic? The work ethic thing has been totally overblown.
Not unlike the hype from his unblocked hit on a RB who doesn't even have the ball yet?

BUST of epic proportions. Under 80 sacks for his entire career. He's going to cry when real men who gave heard all this hype get their mitts on him.

 
Work ethic isn't a 0 or 10 kind of thing. A 10 in the talent department with a 3 work ethic can make Pro Bowls but unless the work ethic improves they often have a Jevon Kearse type career path.
So you think he's got a 3 for work ethic? The work ethic thing has been totally overblown.
the 10/3 I used was a hypothetical example. I don't know what his work ethic is, I can guess based on what I see but I haven't talked to his coaches. You? He might be a 6 but it's rather clear he's not a 10/10
 
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This tackle is more impressive than "The Hit" which was unblocked. That's him man-handling likely top 15 pick Taylor Lewan (as he did most of the game).

 
You link just starts it at the beginning . I watched most of that and think Lewan handled the greatest thing since sliced bread pretty well. Lewan isn't who Clowney is going to have to worry about.

Everybody just seems so sure but I remain skeptical.

 
Rotoworld:

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said on Houston SportsTalk 790 that South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney is "the best defensive lineman talent on the planet."
"It just depends on if he takes advantage of that," Mayock said. The analyst hedged a bit when asked if he'd take Clowney were he in charge of Houston's No. 1 pick, mentioning a quarterback or trading down as two alternate possibilities, but did concede that Clowney would be his personal top-overall pick. ESPN's Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both said recently that they'd take Clowney at No. 1, and McShay calls him the most talented defensive lineman he's ever evaluated.

Source: Houston SportsTalk 790
ESPN's Mel Kiper said that only Jadeveon Clowney can stop Jadeveon Clowney from becoming a Hall of Fame player.

The analyst compared Clowney to Bruce Smith when the Hall of Famer was coming out of Virginia Tech. "The ability is unbelievable," Kiper salivated. "When you watch this kid, he is on a different level. I don't know many NFL left tackles that will be able to get out of their stance quick enough to be able to handle Jadeveon Clowney." Kiper believes Clowney's "effort was pretty good" in college. Both Kiper and Todd McShay believe passing on Clowney at No. 1 is a mistake. McShay calls him the most talented defensive lineman he's ever evaluated.

Apr 6 - 7:29 PM

Source: ESPN's First Draft Podcast
 
NFC exec: 'Spoiled' Clowney 'never worked hard a day in his life'

By Dan Parr

Former South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney alleviated some concerns about his work ethic by showing up to his pro day earlier this month in the best shape of any of the defensive linemen.

Apparently at least one NFC scouting director is convinced Clowney won't be giving the effort necessary to succeed in the NFL, though. He described Clowney as "spoiled" and "lazy," according to an nj.com report.

"He's never worked hard a day in his life, now all of a sudden you're going to give him a bunch of money and expect him to work hard. I don't see it," he said, per the report.

Despite the continued critiques of Clowney's motor, the Houston Texans might make him the No. 1 overall pick at next month's draft. Texans head coach Bill O'Brien said after Clowney's pro day that he had "absolutely" no concerns about his work ethic, and, even if Houston does pass on him, NFL Media analyst Charles Davis has said he doesn't see Clowney being drafted any lower than No. 3 overall to the Jaguars.

The NFC scouting director agreed that Clowney will be picked early, but he also indicated drafting the star player will be a decision the team that drafts him will regret.

"Oh, he's going to be a high pick," he said, according to the report. "Some team will fall in love with him. But wait and see, just wait and see. I just don't think you can count on him.

"I'm betting the under on him."

Maybe this scouting director works for the Rams, who hosted Clowney on a visit Friday, and this is his way of trying to dissuade the Texans from taking Clowney so he falls to St. Louis, which holds the No. 2 overall pick. We don't know what "the under" is on Clowney, but we suspect plenty of NFL teams would be willing to take him up on that bet and gamble on Clowney's potential greatness.

An NFC scout was quoted as saying in the same nj.com story that Clowney is "going to be a top pick and he's going to be worth it."
 
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These assassination attempts some teams do to get their guy on it are really ramping up. I fully expect a team to photoshop a nazi uniform on Christian Hackenburg in 2 years.

 
Teams in the latter half of the top 10 are loving these reports. Usually they need to take charge leaking stories (true or completely false) to media members in order to try to diminish players' stock.
Be prepared for a ton of trash being talked about Clowney up until April...from anonymous sources of course.
So predictable.

 
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Anonymous NFL exec calls Jadeveon Clowney 'spoiled' and 'lazy'

By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com

Ah, yes, proof that the NFL Draft is near: The anonymous bad-mouthing has begun. In the days and weeks leading up to biggest spectacle of the offseason, an event that by its very nature is unpredictable, the one certainty is that unnamed NFL front-office types will have less-than-laudatory things to say about those players destined to be early first-round picks.

This year, former South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney finds himself the unwitting target of some shadowy NFL executive, whose words almost certainly have less to do with the truth than impacting Clowney's draft stock.

“He's spoiled, and he's lazy,'' an NFC personnel man told NJ.com. “He's never worked hard a day in his life, now all of a sudden you're going to give him a bunch of money and expect him to work hard. I don't see it.''

Uh-huh. And you, mysterious talent evaluator, have no ulterior motives. Like, say, hoping your very public observations play some role in Clowney's draft-day slide in the hopes that the team you work for might be in position to take him. Or perhaps it's just coincidental.

Wherever the truth lies, the personnel man has more.

“Oh, he's going to be a high pick,'' he continued. “Some team will fall in love with him. But wait and see, just wait and see. I just don't think you can count on him. I'm betting the under on him.''

Duly noted ... and promptly ignored.

Unlike Nolan Nawrocki's sometimes harsh scouting reports, which sometimes rub folks the wrong way, the NFL executive hides behind anonymity. You may not agree with what Nawrocki writes but at least he's willing to put his name on it and face the criticism.

(Incidentally, Nawrocki didn't speak in glowing terms about Clowney, but he didn't go so far as to call him spoiled or lazy, either.)

As PFT.com's Mike Florio points out, "Lies get told all the time in the NFL, and the pre-draft process contains the highest concentration of them. The audience needs to understand that when trying to assess the value of such observations. Here's the answer, in a nutshell: There is none."

Just something to keep in mind as we make our way to Radio City Music Hall for the draft on May 8.
 
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Work ethic is the knock on this guy. Teams aren't "making it up." Plenty of talented players wash out of this league every year for a variety of reasons. I imagine work ethic is one of the biggest ones.

 
Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

You’d better go to the videotape if you want to see Jadeveon Clowney work out. Clowney won’t be doing any more individual workouts for NFL teams, apparently the result of Clemson tackle Brandon Thomas, a day-two NFL draft prospect, blowing out his knee in training for the draft two weeks ago. The Clowney camp has told at least three teams he won’t be working out for teams before the draft, preferring to let his on-campus Pro Day April 2 at South Carolina stand. I spoke to two general managers over the weekend about this, and one took exception to Clowney taking a pass on pre-draft team workouts and one didn’t. He still will visit teams and interview with coaches and GMs, but his next show-and-tell football performance will be after the draft in a mini-camp, with whichever team picks him. Now, I don’t think this will prevent a team that loves him from picking him, but it might be a small factor in the decision by a team on the fence about Clowney. As one of the general managers said, “I’d want the guy who’s going to be coaching him to put him through some of our drills, and see how he responds.”
 
Clowney has nothing left to prove. He's already worked out for all the top teams, no? I don't see any point in him working out further to be honest.

 
i wonder if this is going to be the end of private work outs. now someone has gotten seriously hurt, are people going to be hesitant to work out for multiple teams on mulitple days with so much money at stake

 

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