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Isn't this a NFL rule? I don't think the NCAA can didicate eligibility of the NFL draft.
Correct.
If this is true...... YAHTZEE!!!!!!!!The NFL has a lot more money than the NCAA. I would think lawyers would be lining up out of the door to get a crack at this kind of litigation.I'm surprised this hasn't been challenged before... has it and I'm not aware?
Last attempt was 2004; time to try again?In 2004, college football players Maurice Clarett and Mike Williams challenged the three years in college rule, saying it was illegal. The U.S. Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the NFL, and the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.
Yes.
Yes!
Yes, but my understanding is the policy would only pay if he weren't drafted at all. So lets say he plays and has a horrible injury (like a Lattimore type), and falls from the 1st round to the 5th round....the policy wouldn't pay because he'd still be in the NFL. I mean, the horrible injury that Lattimore had isn't going to prevent him from being in the NFL....and that's pretty much a worst case injury....
Bill Pollian confirmed this. The policy is only if he never plays again. Not if he goes from first round to 5-6th or something like that. He also indicated that GMs would question him not playing but look at Seattle taking Bruce Irving. I don't think Clowney would fall that far if he took the year off to train.
How is the system screwed?
but it doesnt pay out unless he never plays football again.
I'm sure there is an insurance company out there that would tailor a policy towards an individual like Clowney. There would perhaps be a substantial premium, but given the difference in money between a top 1st round selection and a 3rd, for example, if he were to get hurt, is pretty significant. Look at what Wilson is locked into the next two years ($400k/year? joke) compared to the $22 MILLION GUARANTEED contract that Andrew Luck signed.Even if Clowney had to pay a nearly $1M premium for that kind of insurance, it has to be a +EV move.FWIW I'm in the actuarial/insurance business ...
Must have been reading from the First Take script.
Where would Clowney get the cash to pay that premium? I would assume he can't borrow against future earnings while still in college without it being a violation.
As am I, which is making me think that the premium amount they come up with will make it prohibitively expensive for him. Just from your example above you see the clear difference between #1 pick money and 2-3rd round pick money. Lets just say there is a 10% chance of an injury dropping his draft stock (which I'd say is about correct, roughly 3 guys a year "drop" out of the first round due to injuries) - we might be looking at a few million dollar premium.
A violation of what/who? If he's not playing in college, how could it be an NCAA violation? Also, if he's willing to drop off the team, he's likely willing to drop out of college all together for this.
I assumed there could be some sort of deal worked out to conditionally pay the premium if the injury doesn't happen, given that without injury he will be a top pick even without a golden senior season. Perhaps that kind of conditional arrangement is a violation of NCAA rules, though.
Because these guys have to spend 3 years making millions of dollars for other institutions before they get paid themselves.
I'm sure he is looking forward to padding his Heisman case with a few more sacks of Boyd.
I assumed we were talking about him playing but being able to take out a policy against being a top pick vs a lower round pick.
so you think a high school kid should be able to go straight to the NFL?
Its an NFL rule. And whats the beef on a league having a requirement.Dont most companies have requirements (like degrees) for employment?
Absolutely.
Isn't the NFL the only major sport to have such a requirement? This is just another measure to give the actual football players a smaller piece of the pie.
and we are done here
Yes, I now see that the NBA changed it recently which is very silly. It makes zero sense to say Lebron or Kobe needed to spend a year in college before going pro. Of course it changes the size they get. They have to play without getting paid for a set number of years. It is just a way for the owners and player unions to limit competition. At the same time, colleges and affiliated organizations (NCAA, ESPN, and EA) make a killing off of these atheletes.
You don't think educating young men is important? Or just give them a ton of $$$ and watch them continually go bankrupt.
No. The NBA has a minimum age. MLB will let you turn pro out of high school but there is a rule if you attend one class in college you cannot be redrafted again for 3 years.
Right, because that hasn't been happening under the current system? I don't think these guys are really getting an education at school, at least at the caliber of player that could go pro.
Meaning you see it improving by giving younger men money? Or do you simply not care about the betterment of these players as long as the product in the NFL is the bottom line?I see too many players declaring too early and dropping out of the league.
I don't think it is my place to determine what is best for other people, I want them to be able to make their own choices. In any case, I don't agree that college is really about betterment or education anymore in the first place. That is a different discussion though.
I could honestly care less about this issue and if the NFL decided to change it I wouldn't mind. I happen to like it the way it is because it makes college football more entertaining IMO, but it wouldn't break my heart.Regardless of that, you feel poeple should have the ability to choose what is best for them. Why does that same logic not apply to the NFL? Why do they not get the ability to choose what is best for their organization? It seems they simply feel this is what is best for the NFL. While this contradicts you're view on the rule, it supports you're opinion of the right to choose.
Good point. I'd say the key distinction is that freedom to choose one's actions is not absolute; when your choices harm others they should be limited. I don't expect the NFL to change it or not act in their self-interest. This would have to come from outside pressure in society or courts, neither of which agrees with my assumption that there is harm being done here. Yet.
+EV move?
Yeah, insurance businesses are in the business of giving out more money than they take in for the long run.I'd say that the difference is that the NFL is in a position to exercise monopoly power over professional football, and the teams-which are separate corporations- are permitted to collude when it comes to labor rules. Mostly that's good because without it there would be no salary cap or draft, among other problems, but here it creates an incredibly unfair result. The freedom to choose should belong to the individual teams- who obviously would sign Clowney in a heartbeat if they could- but they're not free to act because the only way to play in the NFL is to sign on to the collusion.The other issue is that only existing employees are negotiating the CBA. Their interest is in protecting themselves at the expense of the next generation. Every roster spot taken by a Clowney is a roster spot lost for a vet. You see this problem in all the major sports.
Don't give me that B.S. about education. The world has enough general studies and parks and tourism management people out there already. I don't care either way about the nfl rule - I actually like it for my own selfish reasons of enjoying college football. That said, I can buy the "kids aren't ready to jump from HS to the NFL arguement," but the education argument doesn't hold any water for me. Attending college and receiving an education are two separate things.My favorite recent quote on this came from Ohio State's QB Cardale Jones who so eloquently stated "we ain't come to play school."
I'll bite. What is college about?
