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Just noticed that Brad Dourif, who plays Doc Cochran, also played Grima Wormtongue in Lord of The Rings, and is also the voice of Chucky in all 4 Chucky movies.

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And for you Al Swearengen fans, take a look at THIS Ebay item.

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I just saw this luke wilson, drew barrymore movie I think It was called Best Men the doc played a ex-vietnam chopper pilot with flashbacks.
 
"Lucky trouble didn't jump off earlier, eh Bullock? Might've found you mid-thrust at other business," - AlAwesome show. Carnivale is getting pretty good to. It is nice to have them back to back.

 
The final episode of season 1 for Deadwood is being replayed tonight at 8:00 CST for those that still haven't seen it. It's supposed to be a good one and I missed it the first time around. It's followed by the season 2 opener.

 
I love this show, I haven't seen the new episode, because I haven't finished watching the first season yet. It was nice that Comcast had the whole first season on their "On Demand" thing. They did the same thing before the second season of Carnivale started up. I would probably never watched these shows if they weren't "On Demand". The new episodes go on there within 24 hours :thumbup: This is the best service ever offered by a cable company and best of all it is free! I would definately ask my provider about getting this service if you don't already have it :thumbup:

 
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The wife story line is going to get old quick, to me. Unless they come to an "understanding" or she leaves, I don't see how I am going to enjoy that story line all that much.

- And how about those previews for Rome? That looks like it has a lot of potential.
Milch is hammering viewers with the morality and lawlessness conflict that is personified in the Swearengen and Bullock characters.The Rome preview caught my interest as well - would love it if HBO can pull it off.

 
Apparently I missed the last episode of last season, so I have a few questions:A) I knew Eddie Sawyer said he would stake Joannie to her whorehouse by stealing from Tolliver, and based on Tolliver's talks with Joannie, the woman who came on the stagecoach etc. he knows Sawyer gave Joannie the money....But what happened to Sawyer?B) When/why/how did Charlie Utter become Bullock's deputy?General question here.....Why doesn't the kid call Bullock Uncle Seth, and why doesn't his mom call him Seth???? Even if they weren't married, the "Mr. Bullock" thing would seem odd. After all, she married his brother....and apparently him, after Bullock's brother died....And I agree, that storyline has the potential to bore the **** out of me.

 
Apparently I missed the last episode of last season, so I have a few questions:

A) I knew Eddie Sawyer said he would stake Joannie to her whorehouse by stealing from Tolliver, and based on Tolliver's talks with Joannie, the woman who came on the stagecoach etc. he knows Sawyer gave Joannie the money....But what happened to Sawyer?

B) When/why/how did Charlie Utter become Bullock's deputy?

General question here.....Why doesn't the kid call Bullock Uncle Seth, and why doesn't his mom call him Seth???? Even if they weren't married, the "Mr. Bullock" thing would seem odd. After all, she married his brother....and apparently him, after Bullock's brother died....

And I agree, that storyline has the potential to bore the **** out of me.
A) we don't know Cy just mentiond he was missing, I suppose we are supposed to assume he slowly stole the $ and took off.B) no answer here either we are just suposed to accept it I guess, he was fire marshal so maybe that had something to do with it.

 
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Neither of those developments happened in the season 1 finale. Season two didn't start the day after season 1 ended or anything. Al mentions something about him thinking Seth would be a benefit "last summer." So, I'm assuming season 2 kicks off a few months after season 1 ended. Cy said "I guess Eddie gave you the money he stole from me as a going away present before he left" or something like that. So the answer I suppose is: Eddie left and Charlie Utter became a deputy sometime between "last summer" and whenever "now" is.And, while I'm here, I'll join the ranks of disliking the wife and child storyline.

 
Neither of those developments happened in the season 1 finale. Season two didn't start the day after season 1 ended or anything. Al mentions something about him thinking Seth would be a benefit "last summer." So, I'm assuming season 2 kicks off a few months after season 1 ended. Cy said "I guess Eddie gave you the money he stole from me as a going away present before he left" or something like that. So the answer I suppose is: Eddie left and Charlie Utter became a deputy sometime between "last summer" and whenever "now" is.

And, while I'm here, I'll join the ranks of disliking the wife and child storyline.
Someone made a reference to spring breaking out...though in that part of the country back then, that may mean anywhere from March to May.
 
In one scene when Cy confronted Joanie... that was in Cy's office, after Maddie left to find a blind one, Cy said something like, "I knew Eddie was stealing from me.. and now he's took off and you have the money for the building." So it was pretty much stated that Eddie carried out his plan to rip Cy off... we don't see Eddie leave, but Cy clearly makes reference to the fact that he took off. Seth's brother was killed in the war of northern aggression and a clear explanation of WHY Seth married the wife was never explicitly given. I always assumed it was they didn't have any other means of support unless the wife were to go a-hoe'in. So to keep her an honest woman and not condemn her to a lilfe of prostitution for support, Seth married her. It's fairly clear they hardly know each other. Hence the cow-eyed kid calling Seth, "Mr. Bullock." Did anyone catch Tolliver's comment to Maddie when they were watching the coach come into town?. "And while you traveled with her, her husband the Sheriff was pickling his pr*ck in the c*nt-brine of another." Classic.

 
Watching a show on Deadwood last night (Either the making of season 2 or "Wild West Tech - about the real Deadwood), Milch mentions that Seth married his brothers wife because of something in the bible.Ill have to go back and re-watch it for the exact quote.

 
Ok, the quote from Milch:"Martha is the widow of Bullocks older brother, whom he married, as the bible would instruct us - its a way to have the children protected. As best as I recall the injunction - it doesnt say much about love, and thats certainly the case with this relationship."From Making Deadwood season 2, about 6 minutes into the 15 minute featurette showing on HBO.

 
Watching a show on Deadwood last night (Either the making of season 2 or "Wild West Tech - about the real Deadwood), Milch mentions that Seth married his brothers wife because of something in the bible.

Ill have to go back and re-watch it for the exact quote.
Just picked up a copy of The Real Deadwood at work today. It's a book detailing the myths and legends behind the real town, full of interesting facts and a few misspellings.Deadwood grew from a population of 800 to 5,000 in a matter of months in 1876. The gold found there was considered to be very easy to mine, residing in surface rock (mostly limestone); some prospectors didn't bother panning at all, but hacked gold out of hillsides with butcher knives.

The gold was easy to mine...but difficult to hold on to. Murders occurred at a rate of 1.5 a day during the gold rush period between 1875 and 1884.

Only one in 200 Deadwood citizens was female. Almost all were prostitutes, probably including Calamity Jane. :X Prostitution was finally made illegal in Deadwood in 1980.

 
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The actor who played Francis Wolcott in this episode also played a different deadwood character in the first season. Does anyone know who? The voice gave it away for meanother great episode btw

 
Is George Hearst the 1800's Don Corleone or something?
I believe Patty Hearst, of Simbionese Liberation Army fame, is descended from George Hearst. George Hearst owned the San Francisco Examiner, which was Patty Hearst's daddy's paper. George Hearst had some of the biggest mining hits in U.S. history, including Comstock, Homestake, and Anaconda. But I'm sure he was a helluva nice guy in spite of it.
 
Is George Hearst the 1800's Don Corleone or something?
Go read your American history. He was the olden day's Ted Turner. (edit - or Donald Trump)Anyone else catch that the guy who plays Hearst's representative, Mr. Wolcott, is the same actor who playted Jack McCall inseason one? If not, they are dead lookalikes - right down to the closed left nostril and googley-eyes (he squinted the left one as Jack McCall, he keeps it open as Mr. Wolcott, but it still looks lik ggogley to me).

 
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The actor who played Francis Wolcott in this episode also played a different deadwood character in the first season. Does anyone know who? The voice gave it away for me

another great episode btw
See my post - it was the eyes and nostril in addition to the voice that did it for me.Wish I'd left it as a "guess this" like you did.

 
Missed the last half hour of this episode in order to watch Spring Break Shark Attack. GB HBO three-peating (or six-peating) Deadwood eps...

 
Very good episode again.The widow turning into a ##### on wheels will be entertaining. Al might be the best character on TV since Tony Soprano. Those scenes were brutal and very well done.The sheriff and his wife I still don't like. Not at all.And I don't care what the new guy likes in his women. If you have that chick on her knees in front of you ready to "throw down" you sit back and take it like a man. He needs to get pistol whipped for that.

 
Surprised there was no "bump" for last night's episode. Here are a few of my thoughts:- I understand the foul language was part of the territory, but it seems to me that the writers are pushing it so far in season 2. Does EVERYONE need to use the F word in EVERY sentence now?- The Bullock, and his wife and kid story is erally really wearing on me (I said this from the beginning and have seen nothing so far to change my mind).- While I agree that showing the trouble/pain al and passing his stone was well done, did we need to see the detail?- The only way I could see the detail they showed pay off has a couple avenues: 1) He will be ticked off at what happened re: Hearst's emissary Wolcott showing up without Al being able to get in on the scam, 2) Dan getting out of his little situation as nothing more than Al's lackey (trying to figure out what Woo was talking about, etc.) or 3) Al actually turning a new leaf given his near-death experience, teaming up w/ Bulloock tp make sure they get some representation to compete w/ the Yangkton crowd, if only to look at his own self interests (him becoming a total "nice guy" however, would throw me off the bridge as far as watching the show anymore.).Couple points/questions I had after last night's episode:- Why did the nanny run to Adams' room? I did not see them interact at all?- Mrs. Garrett looking to screw w/ Farnum could be something worthwile (see Farnum's questions to himself after her offer to buy the hotel).- The nanny was in fear of her life at the hands of Mrs. Garrett. She mentioned to Adams that she has killed before. I would like to hear more about that.Not sure where I stand on the season so far.....What does everyone else here think after last night's episode?

 
That nanny is going to cause some serious trouble. I think she is lying to get back at the widow.The wife and kid story line are now officialy in the hate column. The show doesn't need it. Get rid of them, quickly.Farnum is a great character. His speeches are hysterical surpassed only by Al.The Al stuff better have some purpose because the show has lost a little something without him being able to control the scenes.Trixie is getting on my nerves to. She has to be bi-polar. She's a woman so she already has those tendencies, but I think she is full force into the bi-polar stage. Still a show I won't miss, but I'm annoyed with a few of the story lines.

 
- I understand the foul language was part of the territory, but it seems to me that the writers are pushing it so far in season 2. Does EVERYONE need to use the F word in EVERY sentence now?
The foulness of the language is not what bothers me. I find it incredible to think a town of prospectors, criminals, whores and gamblers would all speak like like Shakespearean scholars. It is unrealistic and becomming extremely annoying.[On a side note - very disappointed with the Carnivale conclusion last night.]

 
- I understand the foul language was part of the territory, but it seems to me that the writers are pushing it so far in season 2. Does EVERYONE need to use the F word in EVERY sentence now?
The foulness of the language is not what bothers me. I find it incredible to think a town of prospectors, criminals, whores and gamblers would all speak like like Shakespearean scholars. It is unrealistic and becomming extremely annoying.[On a side note - very disappointed with the Carnivale conclusion last night.]
Totally agree on Carnivalle. I'm all ready for a huge battle of heaven and hell, and I get a blunt force trauma, a repeat of a rape scene, and a scarecrow.Very bad ending. I can't believe I allowed myself to get sucked into that show.

 
I agree with the wife and kid storyline, but if it's relegated to 5 minutes per episode I can tolerate it.I think Al is going to be rather angry with what's gone down while he was out of it, not because he missed out on the scam, but because I think he has a genuine concern with the future of Deadwood. And, I agree that I can't wait for him to get back to strength since it is mildly lacking without him. Although, I thought the last two episodes were quite good despite Al's absence.Farnum rules. That scene with the widow and him was great. Challenged only by the brief scene with Wu and Dan. :rotflmao:The doc is also one of my favorite characters. "Whisky won't steady the hand, it will only dull the worry over the shaking." Or something like that.I gathered from the interaction between the nanny and Adams that they have some sort of relationship that occurred off screen. Particularly because of his concern over who might be threatening her life. I'm interested to see how that's going to play out. I don't know if the nanny's totally lying about knowing the widow has had someone killed or if it's rumors, possibly spread by her father (who suvived after making the threat) about her possible role in her husband's death.

 
As usual, an excellent episode. I think Al will be in rare form as he needs to play "catch up" on what's been happening with the Hearst representative (i.e., camp rumors) and the visiting government official.BTW, its clear that Adams has placed his bet squarely on Al. He went so far as to tell the government official that he should meet with him. Then when Dan confided in him re: Al's condition, the look on his face was priceless.This may have left him open to do something he normally wouldn't with regard to the nanny's visit and accusation about the widow. I guess we'll just have to be patient and see. (Or we could immediately blast the lack of instant gratification a la the Bullock family storyline. :rolleyes: )I think my favorite scene this week was the Ellsworth/Woolcott confrontation at the mine works. Ellsworth moving up the favorite characters list quickly after that showdown. :thumbup:

 
I think my favorite scene this week was the Ellsworth/Woolcott confrontation at the mine works. Ellsworth moving up the favorite characters list quickly after that showdown. :thumbup:
Excellent point given the fact that Tolliver and Farnum were completely kissing butt after they learned Wolcott worked for Hearst. Ellsworth was great!!!!
 
I thought the conversation outside the bar between Jane and Trixie was great. Some of Calamity Jane's facial expressions were priceless...<taken from Television without Pity Deadwood Recap>

Leaning up against two posts, across the way, Trixie and Jane are having what passes for a conversation. It's the best Drunk Girl chat I have ever seen in my life, and I must say, I have witnessed a few. For once, Jane is the least drunk member of a combo. Trixie is smoking and drinking up a storm, #####ing about Al and what a pain in the ### he was to lock himself away where no one could get to him and help him. "########## upstairs...whorehouse across the way, where I work..." Trixie says, by way of explaining who she's yelling about. Jane nods, "He IS a ####in' ##########." Jane asks Trixie if she realizes Al had designs to murder Sophia when she first came to the camp. Trixie says, with some belligerence, that no, she didn't. Jane confirms: "Hell yes, he had a design. Charlie and me, spirited her from camp, forced him to a second victim more suitable to his ##########'s purpose." Trixie slurs at Jane, asking rhetorically if she thinks men are any ####in' different if "they've had their ####in' ##### cut off?" Now she's talking about Sol and, I assume, referring to him being circumcised. Jane is looking at her in hard concentration, trying to follow the conversation. "They ain't no ####### different. You gotta like their friends or they won't teach you numbers or every other ####in' regulation they set." Man, Trixie's having a bad day. Jane is a bit at a loss here, and hems out an "anyways..."But Trixie's on a roll, and she's rolled back to Al. "Far as it ####### goes, he also brought the cripple from that orphanage." Jane is lost. "Uh, what orphanage?" Trixie is, of course, now talking about Jewel. She waves her cigarette, drunkenly, rambling on about Al's stupid story about how he keeps Jewel around in case a customer comes in looking for sex but only has nine cents to pay for it. That's a bull#### story, Trixie says, and the truth is "why she's around is...it's his sick ####in' way of protectin' her." Jane, thoroughly confused, starts to say that she's going to get some whiskey, but Trixie cuts her off in order to wrap up her rundown on the Duality of Al. "There's entries on both sides of the ####in' ledger, is the ####in' point," Trixie says, berating herself a breath later for already talking "like a ####in' Jew." Poor Jane. Who among us hasn't gotten trapped next to a Trixie in the line for the ladies' room at a party?Jane decides to try to change the subject. "Shaping up to be a nice cool evening," she says, looking over at Trixie with a squinty smile. Receiving no reply, she sighs. "Maybe he has a good side to him too that I entirely ####### missed," she says. "It's always ####in' possible, drunk as I am, ####in' continuously." She steps off the porch, turning back to tell Trixie, "It's nice to see you."
Wow....look at all of those ####'s..... :rotflmao: That's Deadwood for ya!
 
As usual, an excellent episode.

I think Al will be in rare form as he needs to play "catch up" on what's been happening with the Hearst representative (i.e., camp rumors) and the visiting government official.

BTW, its clear that Adams has placed his bet squarely on Al. He went so far as to tell the government official that he should meet with him. Then when Dan confided in him re: Al's condition, the look on his face was priceless.

This may have left him open to do something he normally wouldn't with regard to the nanny's visit and accusation about the widow. I guess we'll just have to be patient and see. (Or we could immediately blast the lack of instant gratification a la the Bullock family storyline. :rolleyes: )

I think my favorite scene this week was the Ellsworth/Woolcott confrontation at the mine works. Ellsworth moving up the favorite characters list quickly after that showdown. :thumbup:
Agreed about Ellsworth. I didn't mention that, but both scenes with Ellsworth - the confrontation with Wolcott and the explanation to the widow - were good. I'm wondering how it's all going to play out, though, since there was speculation earlier in this thread that Garrett's claim may wind up being Hearst's Homestake claim. I thought before last night's episode that she might wind up selling, but after Ellsowrth's recommendation, that doesn't look likely. I expect her father to resurface at some point this season, and given his financial troubles, willingness to use his daughter, and the way they're portraying Hearst and Wolcott, I wonder if he might wind up on Hearst's payroll, but who knows.Also, it's not the lack of instant gratification regarding Bullock's family storyline that I mind, it's the fact that I can't force myself to have any interest in those scenes at all. I like depth and character development and that sort of thing, but I find the fact that they've hardly even made eye contact in 4 episodes a bit overboard.

 
- I understand the foul language was part of the territory, but it seems to me that the writers are pushing it so far in season 2. Does EVERYONE need to use the F word in EVERY sentence now?
The foulness of the language is not what bothers me. I find it incredible to think a town of prospectors, criminals, whores and gamblers would all speak like like Shakespearean scholars. It is unrealistic and becomming extremely annoying.
The dialogue IS hard to follow at times with everyone talking like redneck Yodas.Great episode though. And plenty of great exhanges: EB/Alma, Dan/Wu, Dan/Earless guy, Ellsworth/Wolcott....good stuff.

Dan is one of my favorite characters. He seems to SNAP easily. I like that.

 
I think my favorite scene this week was the Ellsworth/Woolcott confrontation at the mine works. Ellsworth moving up the favorite characters list quickly after that showdown. :thumbup:
I used to work for one of the mining companies mentioned in their exchange.
 
My only comment on the most recent episode is that this show just gets better and better. Kind of surprised with the lack of banter here.If the show aint for you, that's fine.But, IMO, it is as "real" as I imagine Deadwood probably was and the attention to periodic details is simply jawdroppingly well done - as in costumes, tools, mannerisms, patterns of speech aside from the cursing, and character development (especially the way there is no passage of time from one episdoe to the next - if it was 12:45 p.m. when this last episdoe ended, the next one will start at 12:46 of the same day)If you don't believe people talked with as much "prose" in their speech as the characetrs on the show do, you need to go re-read your American history - starting with some in their own words accounts - just start with a book of letters from the old west and you'll see. Educated people used flowery speech exactly like the charcters Mrs. Garret, the Doc, Bullock, etc., do. And the common folks were completely uneducated and probably talked very much like the surrounding characters do.The show also contains at least 5 of the best characters developed on television in the last year - starting with Calamity Jane, Swearingen, Farnum, and the Doc.I think I dropped off my chair four or five times from tonight's episode at the stuff that came out of Jane's mouth (she deserves an award as much as the guy who plays Al did)Anyway, I look froward to this show being around for a few more years, for sure. I won't miss that mobster show at all while Deadwood is on.

 
Another good episode. I may have missed a few parts here and there since the Yankees were on, but I saw most of it. Thank God Al is back to talking. But to be honest, I'm liking that other salloon owner more and more - Powers Booth, right? That guy has got some nads.The teacher turned harlot turned something (in the previews ) is a potentially very enjoyable character. Although I don't like how Al's hitman gets all weak around her - but I guess you could say that shows a part of his humanity.Jane was on fire last night. You can't write a better script for that character.All in all, another episode that has me wanting more.

 
Last night's episode introduced the show's first black character (two, actually). I kept waiting for him to be introduced as 'Deadwood ****', a legendary black figure from that time and place...but it didn't happen. Will continue to wait for DD's appearance (this season? Next?). Interesting interaction between him and Jane, though, as well as between Swearengen and Bullock.Folks sure like their whiskey in Deadwood. :suds:

 
Haywood (was that his name?) was introduced in season one.N-gger General is obviously not his name - he obviously likes to give himself titles, so he may yet turn out to be the Deadwood **** you speak of.

 
Haywood (was that his name?) was introduced in season one.

N-gger General is obviously not his name - he obviously likes to give himself titles, so he may yet turn out to be the Deadwood **** you speak of.
Hostetler, tried to buy the land from Bullok and Star in Season 1
 
Haywood (was that his name?) was introduced in season one.

N-gger General is obviously not his name - he obviously likes to give himself titles, so he may yet turn out to be the Deadwood **** you speak of.
Hostetler, tried to buy the land from Bullok and Star in Season 1
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Guys, big Deadwood fan here and have watched it since its inception last year. Got a question for the faithful and its been vexing me since I started thinking about it two episodes when the guy Wilcox came into town.I know I may be nuts in thinking this but is it possible that the actor who plays Wilcox is the same actor who played the dude who shot Wild Bill Hickcock...eh? For some reason whenever I see this guy Wilcox, I'm seeing just a cleaned up version of the grungy filthy guy who portrayed the assasin of Wild Bill.Has anyone else seen the resemblance or am I on an island here with this one......thanks in advance.-Maxie

 
Guys, big Deadwood fan here and have watched it since its inception last year. Got a question for the faithful and its been vexing me since I started thinking about it two episodes when the guy Wilcox came into town.

I know I may be nuts in thinking this but is it possible that the actor who plays Wilcox is the same actor who played the dude who shot Wild Bill Hickcock...eh? For some reason whenever I see this guy Wilcox, I'm seeing just a cleaned up version of the grungy filthy guy who portrayed the assasin of Wild Bill.

Has anyone else seen the resemblance or am I on an island here with this one......thanks in advance.

-Maxie
Garrett Dillahunt plays both Jack McCall and Francis Wolcott.
 

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