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DeAngelo and Stewart played together in 13 games last season. DeAngelo finished with more rushing yards and more fantasy points in 12 of them. The only game that Williams played where Stewart outscored him was the game where Williams injured his ankle in the first quarter. So, when DeAngelo Williams played for more than a quarter, he outscored Jonathan Stewart 12 times in 12 tries. That's the thinking behind it.
The thinking is that DeAngelo is the starter and Jonathan Stewart is not. Seems fairly reasonable to take a seriously talented starting running back in the mid second round. LT had more points than Shonn Green last year. The thinking is the same for that one too.
At least let the OP recover from the SSOG knockout punch before further pummeling.
And how many does Deangelo have?
That and Williams is playing now and Stewart's been hurt or getting healthy, whatever way you want to look at it. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around drafting this guy in the 3rd round when he isn't even playing right now. When I can take guys like J. Best who is the starter in Detroit and looks to be playing well right now over a guy who's the No.2 on a team and he's still getting healthy, I'd opt to take the guy I can visually see doing well right now. And as far as Williams, he looks to be playing well himself.
27 of courseone can be had in the 1st, the other the 4th-6th..
Link?
Really? Seems Matt Moore did rather well passing at the end of last year. A far bigger threat than Delhomme posed.
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Some of the best Defenses? You seem to have a funny definition of the word "best". Stewart topped 100 yards in 4 of his last 5 games. Those defenses ranked 32nd, 6th, 14th, and 26th in YPA allowed. That Minnesota defense was stout, no doubt, but Stewart had 25/109/1 (4.36 ypc) rushing against them- it seems you have a funny definition of "destroyed", too.As for the second part... Carolina has absolutely no reason to use Stewart any differently this year than they did last year prior to DeAngelo's injury. Again... Stewart didn't have more rushing yards than Williams in any game where they both played more than a quarter. Stewart's a stud, no question whatsoever. So's Williams.
Where'd you pull that one out of? Anyone who doesn't understand the ADP discrepancy either has never seen DeAngelo Williams play or is blind. Not to mention that DeAngelo is in a contract year in which Carolina probably won't be able to resign him. They're rebuilding and will abuse the poo out of DeAngelo's body and save Stewart. DeAngelo right, DeAngelo left, DeAngelo up the middle, repeat.The Moz said:
second round KO....canIbus style... :IBTL:SSOG said:
Really??? He had 4 games (when Williams was hurt) with 100+ yards. Those games were against TB, Min, NYG, and NO. Ranked 32, 6, 14, and 26 against the run (based on YPC). So he beat up on two of the worst D's, 1 average D, and 1 good D. I'm not sure I'd say he "destroyed some of the best D's."The Moz said:
They couldn't pass at all? Are you kidding me?Delhomme attempted 29.2 passes/game last year, completed 55.5% of those passes, gained only 183 yards/game, his YPA was only 6.3, his TD % was only 2.5, while his INT % was 5.6.The Moz said:
As SSOG pointed out, Williams outscored Stewart virtually every game when both were healthy. What's more, Stewart has been unstartable from a FF perspective when Williams was healthy. He is more likely to get you less than 10 points (standard FBG scoring) than he is to put up more than 10 points. You want a RB like that from your 3rd round pick?The Moz said:
That's your opinion. There's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to believe John Fox is going to increase Stewart's carries this season, especially when he still isn't 100%.EDIT TO ADD-SSOG beat me to it.The Moz said:
Also not true. He's been more boom/bust than other RBs, but he's still a top-24 back even with Williams healthy. A lot has been written about the value of consistency, but for my money, I'd rather have a little bit of Jekyll-and-Hyde in my RB2.
This is where I get to sprinkle my magic Jamaal Charles dust.
Your league looks pretty silly and I'm betting you still don't win. There is no way you can start Williams, Stewart and Steve Smith. Hell, I'd never start both RB's.
You feel comfortbale taking J Charles in the 3rd round of a 10 team league?
Well Smith is my 3rd WR in a "Start 3 League"... I've also got AJ and Jennings, and I'm only REALLY counting on DW/Stewart as 1a/1b (depending on how the season goes) so I wouldn't count me out yet...
For much of the season last year I was carrying both, and both Ronnie and Ricky as well. Started out as cya--and that ended up working pretty well--but there were also weeks I had no problem playing both for the matchups. Did all right--not as good in the end as I hoped, but the RB's were not the problem.
DeAngelo Williams - RB for Carolina Panthers. You probably want to research him before your draft so you don't look stupid on draft day. You know, since you don't know who he is and all.
I said as an RB2... Id take him wherever I feel comfortqble, yes... but since I dont play in a 10man for serious cash, I cant comment. But probably.
Im quite sure he knows who DEANGELO is...
I am too. But since he wants to be a wise ###, I thought I'd help him out. Does he know who Dwill is? Or JStew?
It's time for everyone to get back to football discussions and leave this stuff elsewhere. Thanks for your cooperation.
You want your 3rd round pick to be "Jekyll-and-Hyde?" More power to you, but I want my early round picks to be guys that I can rely on week-in, week-out. I think Stewart is a great play in "best-lineup" type leagues where you don't have to pick your starters, you just get the best scores. But in a traditional, set-your-lineup league, he's too risky as a 3rd-rounder.
A little Jekyll-and-Hyde, yeah. To be honest, there's a lot written about consistency from year to year, and I personally think it's the single most overrated characteristic in all of fantasy football. For starters, the thing about consistency is that it's not the slightest bit consistent- there's virtually no correlation between consistency in year N and consistency in year N+1, which means those Boom-n-Bust Benjamins you were avoiding this year might be the Steady Eddies you're targeting next year. For seconds, inconsistent players have a lot of value because they can win you games pretty much all by themselves. That's something that should be celebrated, not denigrated. At the end of the year, if I'm choosing between two guys that both scored 180 points, I just don't think that the consistent guy is significantly more valuable than the inconsistent guy.
If you're talking about Stewart and Williams both scoring 180 points then you have to take into account the fact Williams missed 3 games and whoever you substitute for him in the lineup still gets points. Points per game is more indicative of value. Williams averaged 13.3 ppg including the game he got injured and only had 7 touches. Stewart averaged 11.8 ppg and that doesn't take into account that he played almost 4 whole games without Williams. In those 4 games he had 596 yards and 5 tds, stats he doesn't get if Williams plays which he would have had the games mattered. Williams should be taken rounds 1-2 and Stewart in round 3.
Reread the thread. I never suggested that Williams and Stewart should be drafted in the same round. In fact, I laid the statistical smackdown on anyone who suggested they should be. I wasn't talking about about Stewart or Williams when I brought up the 180 points, I was talking about the value of consistency. I was saying if I was faced with a hypothetical choice between two hypothetical RBs who would both finish the season with 180 fantasy points, I wouldn't care much whether those points were accrued in a "consistent" or "inconsistent" manner. 180 points is 180 points. Not only is consistency not really that advantageous, it's unpredictable to boot.Someone said that Stewart was not a startable fantasy RB because he accrued his points in an inconsistent manner. My response was that how consistently a player accrues points is far less important than how many points a player accrues, and when measured by the points he scored and not the consistency with which he scored them, Stewart most certainly was a starter-caliber fantasy RB, even when Williams was healthy.
That was me who said Stewart wasn't a startable FF RB because of how he scored his points. But I wasn't really talking about year to year consistency, year N to year N+1, etc. Rather I was talking about the unpredictability of Stewart's scoring. He'd get 5 carries for 27 yards, 3 carries for 14 yards, than 12 carries for 128 yards. He also would "go off" against teams that you didn't expect, and lay an egg against teams you'd expect him to dominate. For that reason, I consider him unstartable. As a RB3 or flex, I'd be comfortable with him, but out of my top 2 RBs, I want guys who are going to get consistent carries/touches, and therefore offer the opportunity for consistent points.
One is the starter and one is not??? I mean not really hard to figure out
The Giants were barely an NFL team at that point as well, dont forget about that.
I'm a Jonathan Stewart dynasty owner. I don't plan on starting him much this year.
