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DeAngelo Williams (1 Viewer)
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I had seen 5' 9" 209, so this seems about right.
Old Man Raider
Footballguy
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
Its not far off. An inch and a half shorter and 12 pounds lighter. Normally a RB at 5'9" I want to weigh at around 215 not 220. Shorter players can pack more muscle into their total weight. Young men coming out of college usually have room to grow. Nowadays we see scouting reports that tend to say when a player's frame is capable of supporting more bulk without losing burst. I dont know the science on how they come up with that but it details more than height. I've noticed that backs tend to play their best several pounds under the maximum weight their frame can support. If the report comes out and says his frame can support 10-15+ more pounds he should be able to bulk up to 215 and play just as good.
offdee
Footballguy
As you said, not ideal, but nothing to downgrade him either.His playing style is a nice mix of Clinton Portis (5-11, 205) and Brian Westbrook (5-8, 205) who both happen to be in that same area of size as well.
Julius Jones (5-10, 211) and Tiki Barber (5-9, 200) are two other guys that he has similar height and weight measurables to (for those needing to get a visual of what 5-8, 208 pounds is)
diesel7982
Footballguy
I would have figured 370. Dude looks like a fire hydrant.Wow, Max Jean-Gilles at 358.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Similar situation to Caddy last year. Not quite as talented IMO.
I've never predicted him that high, IMO he's a late 1st already.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Still, think that guy is gonna be a beast.I know this dont mean much, but he just seemed to have "it".
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Hah! I forget who I argued with, but I guessed he was 5-8 and 205 when the other insisted on 5-10 217. Hah!Also, Cutler came in an inch and a half short.
Really, what's the point of lying about their height? Do they spend the whole season hoping they'll grow?
diesel7982
Footballguy
Whats interesting to me is the ht/wt of a couple of the top tackle prospects, Ferguson(6'5, 297), Colledge(6'4 295), and Winston(6'6, 302). Even Jon Scott, 6'6 310, is lighter than I thought.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Ogden was 6-9 and 310 at this point. The OLs absolutely pack on more beef in the NFL weightroom. Well, except for those asked to lose weight. Looks like O'Callaghan and Trueblood have been dieting. Those numbers are all fine. No worries.
Just as a point of reference...RB Ricky Williams was considered to have small hands, and I believe they measured in at 8 3/4".I'd guess that scouts would prefer larger hands (9 1/2" +?) if possible (especially for WRs), though Ricky has proven even small hands can be productive in the NFL...
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Edge's hands were .5 inches bigger than Ricky, which was one reason they took Edge ahead of RW.I think WIlliams and WHite will jockey for the RB2 spot up until draft time.Just as a point of reference...RB Ricky Williams was considered to have small hands, and I believe they measured in at 8 3/4".I'd guess that scouts would prefer larger hands (9 1/2" +?) if possible (especially for WRs), though Ricky has proven even small hands can be productive in the NFL...
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EBF
Footballguy
I'm not saying Williams won't succeed, but a lot of people were touting his size as an advantage over Bush. I think they were mistaken and I think this is the first piece of evidence on the matter. The next bit of evidence will be Bush's height/weight. I think he'll check in at 5'11" 215. Anyhow, Williams is definitely still big enough to carry the load at the NFL level, but he'll be on the small size of the spectrum. I'll wait until more Senior Bowl and combine news comes in before I consider moving him around in my rankings, but I stand by my declaration that he's been overrated by pundits and that he'll be drafted behind White (and maybe even Maroney).
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Bush at 5'11, 215? That's shorter and heavier than I think many people are expecting.
EBF
Footballguy
Yea I know, but that's what I think he'll check in at. After looking at clips of Williams I kept saying to myself that there's no way in Hell he weighs 220 pounds. Sure enough, he's smaller than his listed size.I think the opposite is true of Bush. He looks pretty jacked up and I'll be very surprised if he's the 200 pounds that he's commonly listed at. Something in the 208-216 pounds range seems about right to me.
I think he's a victim of the Cadillac Williams/Kevin Jones syndrome where people look at him as a freshman and then label him undersized without realizing that he's packed on some pounds since he first arrived on campus. Like Caddy and KJ before him, I expect Bush to surprise some people with a higher weight than is expected.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I actually found Bush to look a lot smaller than I expected during the Rose Bowl. I see a lot more Peter Warrick, Warrick Dunn in him (like, uh, Peter Warrick DUnn) 
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
like DeAngelo, I think Reggie is a little shorter than reported. He's 5-11. He also weighed in at the Rose Bowl. Dan Fouts was there and said he was "over 200 pounds". I suspect the 205 is right. 5-11 205, 20 years old-- Identical to Tomlinson when he was 21.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Let's not forget that players have just finished a season, and its hard to hold weight on during practice and games. Typically, a player will lose weight from week one on. Especially starters. Then, this offseason, they'll put on 10 pounds. Lose 5 next season. Put on 10 that offseason and so on until they reach their max or ideal NFL weight. I wouldn't be suprised to see 212 now be 216-217 by the combine.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Hopefully it is enough to drop DeAngelo to the #17 spot!! 
Jason Wood
Zoo York
DeAngelo is going to have to bulk up for his pro day weigh in and still show great speed to be anywhere close to a top 10 player many scouting pundits have projected. More likely, Williams is a mid first rounder and goes third behind LenDale and Bush.
