DeAngelo Williams (1 Viewer)

[H.K.]

I'd expect RBBC in Carolina, probably closer to 50/50, in 2007.

....or Foster could get cut.

Yep. But their roster is devoid of any RB depth already. Shelton is a bust and Goings career 3.7 YPC is not who you want in the back-up role. Foster can restructure, too. My guess is that is more likely.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

DeAngelo RUSH SEASON TOTAL 121R 501Y 4.1Ave 1 TD

DeShaun RUSH SEASON TOTAL 227R 897Y 4.0 Ave 3 TD

I think they would be crazy to get rid of Deshaun - Last year he averaged 4.0 yards per carry but he was so outplayed by boy wonder at 4.1 . Why does everyone think that they should get rid of Foster when the only thing that Williams proved was that those saying he was injury prone may have been correct. Funny that everyone said Foster was injury prone but Williams played in only 13 games and Foster played in 14 games and had 100 carries more for the season.

Williams did prove that he is a good receiver out of the backfield.

If you watched the Carolina games this year you could answer your own ?. Some times you have to look beyond the #'s. DeAngelo looked much faster to the hole and MUCH better in open space. I personally think he'll get the starting gig because the Panthers team looked alot better when DeAngelo was out there. Foster was very boring to watch and what I mean by that is there was no extra gear and no burst from him. DeAngelo will be the man next year and you'll see what I'm talking about.

That's the real answer. When looking for the next "breakout" player, you have to dig. Look at how he is used, what situations he is in, and what sparks he provides. Also look at contracts on a macro level - will the starter be gone soon? Did the team slap a big contract on that player?

Back to stats, look at targets for WRs and some RBs. Touches are big, chances to touch are next. Can't do anything on the sideline.

Also bear in mind coaching changes. That crushed Lamont Jordan last year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'd expect RBBC in Carolina, probably closer to 50/50, in 2007.

....or Foster could get cut.

Yep. But their roster is devoid of any RB depth already. Shelton is a bust and Goings career 3.7 YPC is not who you want in the back-up role. Foster can restructure, too. My guess is that is more likely.

There are other options to this equation.It isn't a closed loop - there is more to the NFL than the Panthers. There's also limited availability for RB employment. With 10+ RBs coming into the league and a few returning from injury, that's even more RBs than are retiring or leaving the game.The backfields will get crowded in many places. Many veterans will still need a home if they want to play. Fred Taylor, Ahman Green, Corey Dillon, Dominic Rhodes all may be playing elsewhere in 2007, and one of those spots could be Carolina as the alternate to DeW.

 

[mlichty]

DeAngelo RUSH SEASON TOTAL 121R 501Y 4.1Ave 1 TDDeShaun RUSH SEASON TOTAL 227R 897Y 4.0 Ave 3 TDI think they would be crazy to get rid of Deshaun - Last year he averaged 4.0 yards per carry but he was so outplayed by boy wonder at 4.1 . Why does everyone think that they should get rid of Foster when the only thing that Williams proved was that those saying he was injury prone may have been correct. Funny that everyone said Foster was injury prone but Williams played in only 13 games and Foster played in 14 games and had 100 carries more for the season. Williams did prove that he is a good receiver out of the backfield.

If you watched the Carolina games this year you could answer your own ?. Some times you have to look beyond the #'s. DeAngelo looked much faster to the hole and MUCH better in open space. I personally think he'll get the starting gig because the Panthers team looked alot better when DeAngelo was out there. Foster was very boring to watch and what I mean by that is there was no extra gear and no burst from him. DeAngelo will be the man next year and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I think that everyone thinking that DeShaun is gone is rushing him out of Carolina too fast. Fox has stayed with a veteran player much longer than people thought he would or should with Davis over Foster."He looked much faster.. MUCH better in open space" yet he only averaged .1 yards per carry more than Foster. When it comes right down to it he may have looked better on some plays but then his average play was not as good as Foster. If you look at play by play for both players they each had so many 0 to 2 yard carries that I would say that both were held back by the Oline and 2007 should be better for both of them. I would not want to get rid of either player when both have a history of getting injured and there is questionable depth. I could see close to a 50-50 split as well with Foster getting 1st and 2nd downs and Williams coming in for 3rd down and spelling Foster for some series during the game.

 

[Da Guru]

My feeling is that Foster will redo his contract because the Panthers like him and the market will not be good for him.

I look for D-Willy to start with Foster being the third down back.

 

[mlichty]

My feeling is that Foster will redo his contract because the Panthers like him and the market will not be good for him.I look for D-Willy to start with Foster being the third down back.

Who is the better receiver out of the backfield?

 

[JohnnyU]

My feeling is that Foster will redo his contract because the Panthers like him and the market will not be good for him.I look for D-Willy to start with Foster being the third down back.

Who is the better receiver out of the backfield?

Williams is better at everything out of the backfield.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

My feeling is that Foster will redo his contract because the Panthers like him and the market will not be good for him.I look for D-Willy to start with Foster being the third down back.

Who is the better receiver out of the backfield?

Williams is better at everything out of the backfield.

Correct answer.I'd have to look at it but an interesting comparative situation would be STL when SJax came in with Marshall Faulk there. The vet shared the ball with the rook until the rook took over.BTW - I agree. This is NOT a good talent level comparison.

 

[mlichty]

My feeling is that Foster will redo his contract because the Panthers like him and the market will not be good for him.I look for D-Willy to start with Foster being the third down back.

Who is the better receiver out of the backfield?

Williams is better at everything out of the backfield.

Williams is the smaller back and the better receiver = perfect for 3rd down role. This role would not fit Foster nearly as well.I don't buy that Williams is clearly the better RB for 1st and 2nd down (look at the average yards per carry). I (and I think Car) would worry that he would wear down if he took all those carries. That is why I think that Foster will get a good share of 1st and 2nd down carries with Williams being in on 3rd downs. I agree that they could make a move and bring someone in but I think they will be happy with the situation they have there now. I see no reason to pay a free agent a signing bonus when you are hurting your cap by cutting Foster. I could see Foster rework the contract but he already got a good chunk with the signing bonus last year.

 

[Da Guru]

My feeling is that Foster will redo his contract because the Panthers like him and the market will not be good for him.I look for D-Willy to start with Foster being the third down back.

Who is the better receiver out of the backfield?

Williams is better at everything out of the backfield.

Williams is the smaller back and the better receiver = perfect for 3rd down role. This role would not fit Foster nearly as well.I don't buy that Williams is clearly the better RB for 1st and 2nd down (look at the average yards per carry). I (and I think Car) would worry that he would wear down if he took all those carries. That is why I think that Foster will get a good share of 1st and 2nd down carries with Williams being in on 3rd downs. I agree that they could make a move and bring someone in but I think they will be happy with the situation they have there now. I see no reason to pay a free agent a signing bonus when you are hurting your cap by cutting Foster. I could see Foster rework the contract but he already got a good chunk with the signing bonus last year.

Agree, but from what I have read Foster is a much better blocker in passing downs than D-Willy.

 

[billyjoe]

My feeling is that Foster will redo his contract because the Panthers like him and the market will not be good for him.I look for D-Willy to start with Foster being the third down back.

Who is the better receiver out of the backfield?

Williams is better at everything out of the backfield.

Williams is the smaller back and the better receiver = perfect for 3rd down role. This role would not fit Foster nearly as well.I don't buy that Williams is clearly the better RB for 1st and 2nd down (look at the average yards per carry). I (and I think Car) would worry that he would wear down if he took all those carries. That is why I think that Foster will get a good share of 1st and 2nd down carries with Williams being in on 3rd downs. I agree that they could make a move and bring someone in but I think they will be happy with the situation they have there now. I see no reason to pay a free agent a signing bonus when you are hurting your cap by cutting Foster. I could see Foster rework the contract but he already got a good chunk with the signing bonus last year.

By your logic Emmitt Smith should have been a 3rd down back his entire career. Steelers should make Parker a 3rd down back also.Smith/Parker/Williams are roughly the same size. Smith had a number of years with 400+ touches. The guy is 5'9, we realize this, move on. You're looking at his size/weight and telling us he's a career 3rd down back. The logic is faulty. Williams runs better inside. He runs with more power. He makes more people miss. He's a threat catching the ball. He was taken in the 1st round. You don't normally draft RBs in the first round to be 3rd down, 5 touch a game players. If they don't pan out, they become 3rd down RBs. Williams was far more impressive late in the year, and IMHO the starting gig is 100% up for grabs. If Williams stays healthy, I have no doubt he'll win the starting job easily. Foster is a below average, oft injured starting RB. Will they cut him? Naah. RB depth is becoming more of a priority then ever. Will they start foster and sit Williams because he's 5'9? Err no. If they think for a second Williams gives them a better chance to win starting, they'll ride him like a rented mule.

 

[mlichty]

I don't buy that Williams is clearly the better RB for 1st and 2nd down (look at the average yards per carry). I (and I think Car) would worry that he would wear down if he took all those carries. That is why I think that Foster will get a good share of 1st and 2nd down carries with Williams being in on 3rd downs.

I agree that they could make a move and bring someone in but I think they will be happy with the situation they have there now. I see no reason to pay a free agent a signing bonus when you are hurting your cap by cutting Foster. I could see Foster rework the contract but he already got a good chunk with the signing bonus last year.

By your logic Emmitt Smith should have been a 3rd down back his entire career. Steelers should make Parker a 3rd down back also.Smith/Parker/Williams are roughly the same size. Smith had a number of years with 400+ touches.

The guy is 5'9, we realize this, move on. You're looking at his size/weight and telling us he's a career 3rd down back. The logic is faulty.

Williams runs better inside. He runs with more power. He makes more people miss. He's a threat catching the ball. He was taken in the 1st round. You don't normally draft RBs in the first round to be 3rd down, 5 touch a game players. If they don't pan out, they become 3rd down RBs. Williams was far more impressive late in the year, and IMHO the starting gig is 100% up for grabs. If Williams stays healthy, I have no doubt he'll win the starting job easily. Foster is a below average, oft injured starting RB.

Will they cut him? Naah. RB depth is becoming more of a priority then ever. Will they start foster and sit Williams because he's 5'9? Err no. If they think for a second Williams gives them a better chance to win starting, they'll ride him like a rented mule.

I am not questioning all backs that were that size should be 3rd down backs. If they are clearly better of course you start them but in this case I fail to see how Williams is clearly better."far more impressive late in the year" ???? Williams week 14-17 games 34 carries for 92 yards 2.71 yards per carry. Not a good way to end the season. Williams last game was a great 7 yards on 9 carries masterpiece. Was he wearing down with only 100 carries for the year?

Foster during that same strech 62 carries for 246 yards 3.97 yards per carry. He finished the season much stronger than Williams and right around his average for the entire year.

Williams week 11-13 games were good he averaged 4.65 yards per carry.

There were only 5 games the entire year that Williams had over 10 rushing attempts.

I do like Williams but I don't see him as being the no question starter next year and I certainly don't see Foster being shown the door.

 

[simey]

Agree, but from what I have read Foster is a much better blocker in passing downs than D-Willy.

DeShaun is the better blocker. He can also move the pile better with his strength. Both backs can catch. I guess some have forgotten that DeShaun had the second most receptions on the team the year before last. DeAngelo reminds me of a young Tiki Barber. He is small, and he is very fast and shifty. I hope he builds into a Tiki Barber type. He needs to continue to work on going down when there is nothing there, instead of trying to get extra yardage, and end up losing several yards. He will keep learning to block better via experience. I think the Panthers will keep both backs, and DeAngelo will at some point get the bulk of the carries as he progresses. Each back has their own strengths, and it could be the back whose strengths work best against a defense in a given game, gets the most carries. The offensive line had a lot of problems this past season, so hopefully that will change, which will also help the running game. I noticed billyjoe referred to DeShaun as the oft injured back, when in fact DeShaun was the healthy one this past year, and DeAngelo is the one who missed several games due to injury.

 

[switz]

That's a nice late Christmas present for us owners of D-Will in dynasty league.RB D. Williams Featured Back In 2007?Pat Yasinskas, Charlotte Observer, Sporting News - [Full Article]The Panthers' coaching staff will focus on the running game and design their scheme around RB DeAngelo Williams, who will likely be their feature back in 2007.Do you think this is bull or do you think he'll be "the guy" next year?

spell it after me.. S-P-E-C-U-L-A-T-I-O-N

 

[Bob_Magaw]

i do think deangelo is the more dangerous & explosive RB, but any one who has no doubt that he will be the undisputed feature RB next season SHOULD have some doubt, if only due to the fact that fox's history has shown he can be loyal to vets to a fault...

i could easily see foster still with the team and getting 50% of carries next season, if not more...

as far as pedigree, deangelo was a first rounder but a late first round pick, & i think foster was an early second rounder, so they aren't really that far apart...

for fantasy purposes, things like pass protection are boring & easily discounted, but in actual footbal, it is a highly desireable trait, & that could keep foster on the field for at least another year if their continues to be a marked difference between them in this respect...

with 40% of OL being injured & out, front office & coaching staff may want to see what foster is capable of in conditions more favorable to success... better blocking could also help raise delhomme's game, which would also help keep defenses off balance...

i do agree williams appears to be far more explosive, foster at this point is a little more of a straight ahead plodder without a lot of burst & elusiveness, so he may not benefit AS MUCH from projected better OL situation & blocking in 07... he is still likelier to get dragged down by LBs... williams, if he can get a crease & into second level, is a threat to take it to the house once in space...

if that scenario plays out, i could see deangelo getting phased into more work, maybe half to even two thirds of the carries/workload, but i won't be hugely disappointed if that doesn't happen in 07, i don't have that expectation based on fox's history...

in redraft 07 is the only year of concern... in dynasty, i recognize the talent & am patient... i think he has star potential, but this season may not be his opportunity to break out...

 

[H.K.]

i do think deangelo is the more dangerous & explosive RB, but any one who has no doubt that he will be the undisputed feature RB next season SHOULD have some doubt, if only due to the fact that fox's history has shown he can be loyal to vets to a fault...i could easily see foster still with the team and getting 50% of carries next season, if not more...as far as pedigree, deangelo was a first rounder but a late first round pick, & i think foster was an early second rounder, so they aren't really that far apart...for fantasy purposes, things like pass protection are boring & easily discounted, but in actual footbal, it is a highly desireable trait, & that could keep foster on the field for at least another year if their continues to be a marked difference between them in this respect...with 40% of OL being injured & out, front office & coaching staff may want to see what foster is capable of in conditions more favorable to success... better blocking could also help raise delhomme's game, which would also help keep defenses off balance...i do agree williams appears to be far more explosive, foster at this point is a little more of a straight ahead plodder without a lot of burst & elusiveness, so he may not benefit AS MUCH from projected better OL situation & blocking in 07... he is still likelier to get dragged down by LBs... williams, if he can get a crease & into second level, is a threat to take it to the house once in space...if that scenario plays out, i could see deangelo getting phased into more work, maybe half to even two thirds of the carries/workload, but i won't be hugely disappointed if that doesn't happen in 07, i don't have that expectation based on fox's history...in redraft 07 is the only year of concern... in dynasty, i recognize the talent & am patient... i think he has star potential, but this season may not be his opportunity to break out...

Damn good post. There were a few occasions last year when Williams was in the right position to pass protect, but defenders either ran past or right over him. He needs to locate his assignment quicker and attack to thwart the rush. Given his size, he can't allow larger LB/DL to also gain leverage on him or he won't be on the field as much. Obviously, this can be taught. He's got a year under his belt and knows the speed of the game now, but they do have a new OC, so if the playbook changes, he'll be learning a new system and may still be thinking instead of doing, like last season.

 

[Blackjacks]

That's a nice late Christmas present for us owners of D-Will in dynasty league.RB D. Williams Featured Back In 2007?Pat Yasinskas, Charlotte Observer, Sporting News - [Full Article]The Panthers' coaching staff will focus on the running game and design their scheme around RB DeAngelo Williams, who will likely be their feature back in 2007.Do you think this is bull or do you think he'll be "the guy" next year?

spell it after me.. S-P-E-C-U-L-A-T-I-O-N

I believe that is what the ? is stating.

 

[switz]

DWill won't.

 

[JohnnyU]

DWill won't.

Sure dwill.

 

[Righetti]

January 29, 2007, 09:50

Panthers :: RB

Panthers Pledge Run-First Philosophy?

Pat Yasinskas, Charlotte Observer, Sporting News - [Full Article]

Panthers New OC Jeff Davidson has pledged to bring more balance to an offense that was very inconsistent last season. The team veered away from the run because it wasn't successful. Davidson and HC John Fox both share a run-first philosophy and want the running game to be the strength of the offense. Davidson will try to suit the running game to the strengths of RB DeAngelo Williams and RB DeShaun Foster, who are speed backs and are better suited to running outside. They will need better play from the offensive line too, and Davidson has experience as an offensive line coach

 

[Blackjacks]

DWill won't.

DWill won't what? Let me know your reasoning. I'm not being a smartace but I know you know your stuff. I completely think DWill will be the guy next year and I want you to talk me out of it. Please educate me on you thoughts.

 

[Da Guru]

I just checked the rushing stats from last year and was quite surprised.

Foster: 227-897 4.0 YPC

DWilly: 121-501 4.1 YPC

And both missed time with injuries.

For some reason I thought DWilly had a much better YPC than Foster but that was not the case at all.

 

[messinwithu]

I just checked the rushing stats from lasy year and was quite surprised.Foster: 227-897 4.0 YPCDWilly: 121-501 4.1 YPCAnd both missed time with injuries.For some reason I thought DWilly had a much better YPC than Foster but that was not the case at all.

How did you check that? Did you actually read the entire thread

 

[switz]

DWill won't.

DWill won't what? Let me know your reasoning. I'm not being a smartace but I know you know your stuff. I completely think DWill will be the guy next year and I want you to talk me out of it. Please educate me on you thoughts.

Actually I was just messing around with the "DWill" nickname... but I fully expect them to split time between Foster and DWill. Foster hasn't been bad, but hasn't been great. DeAngelo has shown the same propensity for boom/bust games. I think they will go with the hot hand. It will likely end up 60-40 in favor of Williams.

 

[phillzphan]

Fumbles:

Fumbles/fumbles lost

DWill: 1/0

Deshaun: 2/2



Receiving:

rec/yards/avg

DWill:33/313/9.5

Deshaun:32/159/5.0

also of note:

Dwill : 1 reception for over 40 yrds and 3 for over 20.

Deshaun: long of 14.

Rushing:

DWill: 5 rushes for over 20 yards in 120 carries .

Deshaun: 3 rushes for over 20 yards in 220 carries.

TDs:

DWill: 2 on 150 touches

Deshaun: 3 on 250 touches

And the most important:

Years experience before the season:

DWill: 0

Deshaun: 5

It seems like DWill beats Deshaun in every category thats based on relative touches, carries, or receptions. Even better, the kid is a rook. Its pretty clear whos the better fantasy back. The better NFL back? Seems like its also DWill if he can keep it up. No reason to doubt that he cant do anything just yet though. As for deshaun, well, he's been debunked for months

FWIW, does anyone remember a year ago when many thought DWill would be a better back than Bush? If Bush wasn't in last years draft where would DWil have gone and what would his expectations have been? Someone said how deshaun's 2nd round rookie expectations aren't that far off from a 1st rounder....When you're talking about Jj Arrington, maybe you're right. Not DWill.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

their YPC were near identical, so if deangelo broke more long runs, he must have had some short runs in there, too...

 

[Donnybrook]

DWilly!!! (still hate that nickname - I don't care if he's been called that since he was five)

Foster's gone, so this has actually likely been in the hopper for the Panthers since mid-season.

Williams will be a nice 2nd/3rd round steal. While folks are taking Reggie Bush and Lawrence Maroney, who will still be mired in some kind of committee/ball sharing, looks for Williams a round later.

How so? He just signed a 3 year deal for 14 million this offseason, leaving 2 years remaining.I dont doubt he will be relegated to the back up next year if DWilly improves his grasp of the NFL offense.

But it would appear the Foster would at least be a solid back up. You thinking traded or cut? Possible.

His contract had 4.5million in bonus money and an additional 3 million in escalators and incentives.

salary is not guarenteed, only bonus money... which i believe he has already been paid or it is due to him if he is still on the roster by such and such a date. would you keep foster at 5 million per year? right, and neither will the panthers.

Cap wise they would save almost 1.5M this year and 6M next year by cutting him - it is a real possibility

Yeah, the Panthers could cut Foster and save 1.5 M. Then they could go out and sign a backup RB for what? 1.5 M and save absolutely nothing. Why wouldn't they just keep Foster even as a backup this year and release him next. Foster will better in a that role than the other backs on the market (since he knows the offense).

 

[messinwithu]

Rushing:

DWill: 5 rushes for over 20 yards in 120 carries .

Deshaun: 3 rushes for over 20 yards in 220 carries.

It seems like DWill beats Deshaun in every category thats based on relative touches, carries, or receptions. Even better, the kid is a rook. Its pretty clear whos the better fantasy back. The better NFL back? Seems like its also DWill if he can keep it up. No reason to doubt that he cant do anything just yet though. As for deshaun, well, he's been debunked for months

To look closer at the rushing numbers.Williams on the 5 rushes of over 20 yards had a total of 133 yards

501 yards total - 133 yards on 5 attempts = 368 yards.

So his other 116 rushing attempts he averaged only 3.17 yards per carry.

I thought Williams would have broke some of those long runs for TD's and was surprised that his only rushing TD was on a 3 yarder. I certainly don't remember the plays but when you have rushes of 31,31,28,23,20 yards who is catching you? I know that the safety plays the angle but with his moves and speed I would have though he could have taken something all the way.

 

[phillzphan]

Rushing:

DWill: 5 rushes for over 20 yards in 120 carries .

Deshaun: 3 rushes for over 20 yards in 220 carries.

It seems like DWill beats Deshaun in every category thats based on relative touches, carries, or receptions. Even better, the kid is a rook. Its pretty clear whos the better fantasy back. The better NFL back? Seems like its also DWill if he can keep it up. No reason to doubt that he cant do anything just yet though. As for deshaun, well, he's been debunked for months

To look closer at the rushing numbers.Williams on the 5 rushes of over 20 yards had a total of 133 yards

501 yards total - 133 yards on 5 attempts = 368 yards.

So his other 116 rushing attempts he averaged only 3.17 yards per carry.

Food for thought:1.

You took away DeAngelo's 5 longest runs. How about we take away some of Deshaun's? Since DeShaun had 220 carries to DeAngelo's 120, lets take out his top 10 runs.

9 longest runs: 43,22,16,15,18,29,12,12,17,17=201.

now his yardage = 897-201=696 yd.

new carries =227-10=217 carries.

696/217=3.2

Significant drop as well. Now, he's 0.03 ypc better than Deangelo.

2.

How about we take out that last game.

week 17:

9 rushes 7 yards.

That leaves 112 rushes for 494 yards. Now hes a 4.41 ypc rusher.

3. There is more than a .1 ypc difference -- its actually ~.2. The actual numbers are:

DeShaun: 227/897/3.95

DeAngelo: 121/501/4.14

You see...Deshauns YPC was barely rounded up and DeAngelos was barely rounded down. Funny how that happened. Regardless, this is much more like a .2 ypc difference than a .1 difference.

4.

Fantasy points per touch (using data dominator).

Deshaun: 123.60/259 = .48

Deangelo: 93.4/154= .61

 

[Blackjacks]

Rushing:

DWill: 5 rushes for over 20 yards in 120 carries .

Deshaun: 3 rushes for over 20 yards in 220 carries.

It seems like DWill beats Deshaun in every category thats based on relative touches, carries, or receptions. Even better, the kid is a rook. Its pretty clear whos the better fantasy back. The better NFL back? Seems like its also DWill if he can keep it up. No reason to doubt that he cant do anything just yet though. As for deshaun, well, he's been debunked for months

To look closer at the rushing numbers.Williams on the 5 rushes of over 20 yards had a total of 133 yards

501 yards total - 133 yards on 5 attempts = 368 yards.

So his other 116 rushing attempts he averaged only 3.17 yards per carry.

Food for thought:1.

You took away DeAngelo's 5 longest runs. How about we take away some of Deshaun's? Since DeShaun had 220 carries to DeAngelo's 120, lets take out his top 10 runs.

9 longest runs: 43,22,16,15,18,29,12,12,17,17=201.

now his yardage = 897-201=696 yd.

new carries =227-10=217 carries.

696/217=3.2

Significant drop as well. Now, he's 0.03 ypc better than Deangelo.

2.

How about we take out that last game.

week 17:

9 rushes 7 yards.

That leaves 112 rushes for 494 yards. Now hes a 4.41 ypc rusher.

3. There is more than a .1 ypc difference -- its actually ~.2. The actual numbers are:

DeShaun: 227/897/3.95

DeAngelo: 121/501/4.14

You see...Deshauns YPC was barely rounded up and DeAngelos was barely rounded down. Funny how that happened. Regardless, this is much more like a .2 ypc difference than a .1 difference.

4.

Fantasy points per touch (using data dominator).

Deshaun: 123.60/259 = .48

Deangelo: 93.4/154= .61

 

[Buckychudd]

Rushing:

DWill: 5 rushes for over 20 yards in 120 carries .

Deshaun: 3 rushes for over 20 yards in 220 carries.

It seems like DWill beats Deshaun in every category thats based on relative touches, carries, or receptions. Even better, the kid is a rook. Its pretty clear whos the better fantasy back. The better NFL back? Seems like its also DWill if he can keep it up. No reason to doubt that he cant do anything just yet though. As for deshaun, well, he's been debunked for months

To look closer at the rushing numbers.Williams on the 5 rushes of over 20 yards had a total of 133 yards

501 yards total - 133 yards on 5 attempts = 368 yards.

So his other 116 rushing attempts he averaged only 3.17 yards per carry.

Food for thought:1.

You took away DeAngelo's 5 longest runs. How about we take away some of Deshaun's? Since DeShaun had 220 carries to DeAngelo's 120, lets take out his top 10 runs.

9 longest runs: 43,22,16,15,18,29,12,12,17,17=201.

now his yardage = 897-201=696 yd.

new carries =227-10=217 carries.

696/217=3.2

Significant drop as well. Now, he's 0.03 ypc better than Deangelo.

2.

How about we take out that last game.

week 17:

9 rushes 7 yards.

That leaves 112 rushes for 494 yards. Now hes a 4.41 ypc rusher.

3. There is more than a .1 ypc difference -- its actually ~.2. The actual numbers are:

DeShaun: 227/897/3.95

DeAngelo: 121/501/4.14

You see...Deshauns YPC was barely rounded up and DeAngelos was barely rounded down. Funny how that happened. Regardless, this is much more like a .2 ypc difference than a .1 difference.

4.

Fantasy points per touch (using data dominator).

Deshaun: 123.60/259 = .48

Deangelo: 93.4/154= .61

 

[billyjoe]

Rushing:

DWill: 5 rushes for over 20 yards in 120 carries .

Deshaun: 3 rushes for over 20 yards in 220 carries.

It seems like DWill beats Deshaun in every category thats based on relative touches, carries, or receptions. Even better, the kid is a rook. Its pretty clear whos the better fantasy back. The better NFL back? Seems like its also DWill if he can keep it up. No reason to doubt that he cant do anything just yet though. As for deshaun, well, he's been debunked for months

To look closer at the rushing numbers.Williams on the 5 rushes of over 20 yards had a total of 133 yards

501 yards total - 133 yards on 5 attempts = 368 yards.

So his other 116 rushing attempts he averaged only 3.17 yards per carry.

Food for thought:1.

You took away DeAngelo's 5 longest runs. How about we take away some of Deshaun's? Since DeShaun had 220 carries to DeAngelo's 120, lets take out his top 10 runs.

9 longest runs: 43,22,16,15,18,29,12,12,17,17=201.

now his yardage = 897-201=696 yd.

new carries =227-10=217 carries.

696/217=3.2

Significant drop as well. Now, he's 0.03 ypc better than Deangelo.

2.

How about we take out that last game.

week 17:

9 rushes 7 yards.

That leaves 112 rushes for 494 yards. Now hes a 4.41 ypc rusher.

3. There is more than a .1 ypc difference -- its actually ~.2. The actual numbers are:

DeShaun: 227/897/3.95

DeAngelo: 121/501/4.14

You see...Deshauns YPC was barely rounded up and DeAngelos was barely rounded down. Funny how that happened. Regardless, this is much more like a .2 ypc difference than a .1 difference.

4.

Fantasy points per touch (using data dominator).

Deshaun: 123.60/259 = .48

Deangelo: 93.4/154= .61

Good post. Foster got the bulk of the carries because of experience. Nothing else. As Williams becomes better in the system, pass protection, understanding the offense, he'll continue to get more work. If they felt Foster was the answer, they wouldn't blow a 1st round pick on a RB. Foster will be a solid RB, on the ######ed end of the RBBC. Williams is just more explosive. And once his limited experience is no longer holding him back, I expect him to take over the bulk of the running work.