Deangelo (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

I dont own the guy, it doesnt affect my fantasy squad whatsoever. I just cant wrap my head around why they would make him among the highest paid RBs in football and only give him 10 carries a game and not use him in the passing game.

Heck I think Stewart looks pretty good. Did they just realize they like him better and not letting $$ influence things? Its just so bizarre.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

everyone agreed it was an awful contract when it was announced

williams had season ending injuries the last two seasons, which likely has something to do with his decline (in addition to the poor play selection and o-line run blocking)

 

[Not Sure]

I don't think the way they are using him is bizzare but I did think the contract they gave him was. IMO Stewart is better and giving Williams all of that money was a waste of resources.

 

[jbz]

Maybe they were even shocked at how good Cam Newton already is. They probably were planning on leaning on the running game, but Cam's fast development blew that plan out of the water. Still a bad contract.

 

[The Comedian]

I still think he looks pretty good.

 

[EBF]

Maybe they were even shocked at how good Cam Newton already is. They probably were planning on leaning on the running game, but Cam's fast development blew that plan out of the water. Still a bad contract.

Probably this. I think they came into this year planning to run the ball a ton. Cam was way ahead of schedule. Changed everything. D-Will is averaging 5 YPC, so you can't really say he's past it. He's just not getting the ball.

 

[nysportsfan]

Great question- here is how I see it:

He was good.

He is good.

Cam is better than they expected, quicker than they expected.

Stewart demands touches as he is productive in his own right.

Everyone is healthy, and therefore there are too many mouths to feed.

 

[gethugefast1]

Jerry Richardson just gave D-Will his retirement package.

 

[gethugefast1]

Great question- here is how I see it:

He was good.

He is good.

Cam is better than they expected, quicker than they expected.

Stewart demands touches as he is productive in his own right.

Everyone is healthy, and therefore there are too many mouths to feed.

Not everyone...Jeff Otah hasn't been healthy for at least the last 2 years...how long have they had trouble running the ball?

 

[Hendo]

I really hope Stewart leaves for ATL by the time that contact ends in two seasons, preffect time to replace Turner.

 

[TheFootballJesus]

I really hope Stewart leaves for ATL by the time that contact ends in two seasons, preffect time to replace Turner.

I thought I heard somewhere that Stewart was a free agent after this season?

 

[Homer]

I really hope Stewart leaves for ATL by the time that contact ends in two seasons, preffect time to replace Turner.

I thought I heard somewhere that Stewart was a free agent after this season?

After 2012, I'm pretty sure. Stupid contract for DAW (ahh, the pesky CAP FLOOR???), but more likely that Carolina can get out from under that one.

 

[Hendo]

I really hope Stewart leaves for ATL by the time that contact ends in two seasons, preffect time to replace Turner.

I thought I heard somewhere that Stewart was a free agent after this season?

After 2012, I'm pretty sure. Stupid contract for DAW (ahh, the pesky CAP FLOOR???), but more likely that Carolina can get out from under that one.

If Stewart ends up resigning in Carolina I'd be surprised, I really dont see him resigning back there with what they did with Williams, who knows though their owner seems dumb enough to throw money around, I just hope Stewart realizes he's a premier back that should be a feature back in the league.(should of years ago by now)

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Do I really have to keep this frigging guy on my roster?? I know if I drop him he will blow up.

 

[Reepicheep]

Do I really have to keep this frigging guy on my roster?? I know if I drop him he will blow up.

If you can afford the spot he's obviously someone you want to hold in the even of a Stewart injury. If you drop him it's pretty much a lock that someone in your league will be willing to stash him. I would much rather be forced to play him this week than drop him for bye-week filler with no upside.

 

[sho nuff]

Do I really have to keep this frigging guy on my roster?? I know if I drop him he will blow up.

I had the same thought process...dropped him this week to cover my defensive bye week.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Do I really have to keep this frigging guy on my roster?? I know if I drop him he will blow up.

If you can afford the spot he's obviously someone you want to hold in the even of a Stewart injury. If you drop him it's pretty much a lock that someone in your league will be willing to stash him. I would much rather be forced to play him this week than drop him for bye-week filler with no upside.

yeah I can afford to stash him, it's just annoying to look at my roster every week and see that my 5th round pick is my 6th best option at flex.

 

[Reepicheep]

Do I really have to keep this frigging guy on my roster?? I know if I drop him he will blow up.

If you can afford the spot he's obviously someone you want to hold in the even of a Stewart injury. If you drop him it's pretty much a lock that someone in your league will be willing to stash him. I would much rather be forced to play him this week than drop him for bye-week filler with no upside.

yeah I can afford to stash him, it's just annoying to look at my roster every week and see that my 5th round pick is my 6th best option at flex.

I hear ya bro, finally cut my 5th round pick last week (Dallas Clark).

 

[Grahamburn]

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries in a game this season.

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

The Panthers are 2-8.

I really don't understand this.

 

[jonboltz]

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries on the season. Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times. The Panthers are 2-8.I really don't understand this.

They are a bad football team that is going to lose a lot of games due to the sieve defense. It appears Rivera's plan is to get Newton as much work and experience as possible. This is just a developmental year, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them move back towards a more realistic runass ratio next year (while still heavily pass slanted).And as an aside, you have to still keep DeAngelo rostered. If Stewart goes down, even with Cam stealing GL work, DeAngelo would still likely be a top 15 RB. In my PPR, if you combine their scoring, then cut off 25% for whatever the backup RB would get, he would still be 11th in my league for scoring.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

163 of his fumbles were recovered by a Panther.

 

[booda]

I may be in the minority, but I like DWill this week. I think he can break a big one against the Indy defense. If he scores, it will have to be from 20+ yards.

 

[msommer]

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

163 of his fumbles were recovered by a Panther.

That's a little scary...Hope that improving the turnovers factors heavily in the off season work.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

163 of his fumbles were recovered by a Panther.

That's a little scary...Hope that improving the turnovers factors heavily in the off season work.

4 INTs last week against DET certainly didn't help.

 

[Zeff]

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries in a game this season. Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times. The Panthers are 2-8.I really don't understand this.

Cam fills seats. DeAngelo doesn't. It isn't about winning, or Newton would never see the field. Great attraction, great stat producer, great story, horrible QB. Would never start for a real franchise.

 

[jonboltz]

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries in a game this season. Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times. The Panthers are 2-8.I really don't understand this.

Cam fills seats. DeAngelo doesn't. It isn't about winning, or Newton would never see the field. Great attraction, great stat producer, great story, horrible QB. Would never start for a real franchise.

Carolina is 5th in total offense with a rookie QB. Please leave the debate on this issue to the adults.

 

[Grahamburn]

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

163 of his fumbles were recovered by a Panther.

You're right. Thanks. That's still quite a few turnovers.

I may be in the minority, but I like DWill this week. I think he can break a big one against the Indy defense. If he scores, it will have to be from 20+ yards.

I like his chances to break one, but how many chances will he actually get? It's tough to start him when most of us are in must win situations.

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries in a game this season.

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

The Panthers are 2-8.

I really don't understand this.

Cam fills seats. DeAngelo doesn't. It isn't about winning, or Newton would never see the field. Great attraction, great stat producer, great story, horrible QB. Would never start for a real franchise.

I get that he fills seats, but he's making bad decisions and is a turnover machine right now. People would still come to watch him play even if he handed the ball off a few more times, and the Panthers would have probably won a few more games as a result by keeping their defense off the field. I'm not expecting anything to change. I guess I bumped the thread to vent. It's baffling to me that they would give DeAngelo that much money to not carry the football. It's not like he isn't producing when he gets carries.

 

[harryhood]

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

163 of his fumbles were recovered by a Panther.

You're right. Thanks. That's still quite a few turnovers.

I may be in the minority, but I like DWill this week. I think he can break a big one against the Indy defense. If he scores, it will have to be from 20+ yards.

I like his chances to break one, but how many chances will he actually get? It's tough to start him when most of us are in must win situations.

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries in a game this season.

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

The Panthers are 2-8.

I really don't understand this.

Cam fills seats. DeAngelo doesn't. It isn't about winning, or Newton would never see the field. Great attraction, great stat producer, great story, horrible QB. Would never start for a real franchise.

I get that he fills seats, but he's making bad decisions and is a turnover machine right now. People would still come to watch him play even if he handed the ball off a few more times, and the Panthers would have probably won a few more games as a result by keeping their defense off the field. I'm not expecting anything to change. I guess I bumped the thread to vent. It's baffling to me that they would give DeAngelo that much money to not carry the football. It's not like he isn't producing when he gets carries.

It's amazing to see how everyone gushes over Newton after he is continually loosing football games for them. 3 interceptions after you have built a 2+ TD lead on the road? Half of his other throws weren't even close.

 

[Shutout]

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

163 of his fumbles were recovered by a Panther.

You're right. Thanks. That's still quite a few turnovers.

I may be in the minority, but I like DWill this week. I think he can break a big one against the Indy defense. If he scores, it will have to be from 20+ yards.

I like his chances to break one, but how many chances will he actually get? It's tough to start him when most of us are in must win situations.

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries in a game this season.

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

The Panthers are 2-8.

I really don't understand this.

Cam fills seats. DeAngelo doesn't. It isn't about winning, or Newton would never see the field. Great attraction, great stat producer, great story, horrible QB. Would never start for a real franchise.

I get that he fills seats, but he's making bad decisions and is a turnover machine right now. People would still come to watch him play even if he handed the ball off a few more times, and the Panthers would have probably won a few more games as a result by keeping their defense off the field. I'm not expecting anything to change. I guess I bumped the thread to vent. It's baffling to me that they would give DeAngelo that much money to not carry the football. It's not like he isn't producing when he gets carries.

It's amazing to see how everyone gushes over Newton after he is continually loosing football games for them. 3 interceptions after you have built a 2+ TD lead on the road? Half of his other throws weren't even close.

Truth on both sides of the debate but he IS a rookie. Look at Peyton manning's rookie year (w/L, turnovers). As much as I hate it for my fantasy team, I think it is the right way to go.

 

[jonboltz]

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

163 of his fumbles were recovered by a Panther.

You're right. Thanks. That's still quite a few turnovers.

I may be in the minority, but I like DWill this week. I think he can break a big one against the Indy defense. If he scores, it will have to be from 20+ yards.

I like his chances to break one, but how many chances will he actually get? It's tough to start him when most of us are in must win situations.

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries in a game this season.

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

The Panthers are 2-8.

I really don't understand this.

Cam fills seats. DeAngelo doesn't. It isn't about winning, or Newton would never see the field. Great attraction, great stat producer, great story, horrible QB. Would never start for a real franchise.

I get that he fills seats, but he's making bad decisions and is a turnover machine right now. People would still come to watch him play even if he handed the ball off a few more times, and the Panthers would have probably won a few more games as a result by keeping their defense off the field. I'm not expecting anything to change. I guess I bumped the thread to vent. It's baffling to me that they would give DeAngelo that much money to not carry the football. It's not like he isn't producing when he gets carries.

It's amazing to see how everyone gushes over Newton after he is continually loosing football games for them. 3 interceptions after you have built a 2+ TD lead on the road? Half of his other throws weren't even close.

Cam threw 0 interceptions while his team was leading last week. HTH.

 

[harryhood]

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

163 of his fumbles were recovered by a Panther.

You're right. Thanks. That's still quite a few turnovers.

I may be in the minority, but I like DWill this week. I think he can break a big one against the Indy defense. If he scores, it will have to be from 20+ yards.

I like his chances to break one, but how many chances will he actually get? It's tough to start him when most of us are in must win situations.

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries in a game this season.

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

The Panthers are 2-8.

I really don't understand this.

Cam fills seats. DeAngelo doesn't. It isn't about winning, or Newton would never see the field. Great attraction, great stat producer, great story, horrible QB. Would never start for a real franchise.

I get that he fills seats, but he's making bad decisions and is a turnover machine right now. People would still come to watch him play even if he handed the ball off a few more times, and the Panthers would have probably won a few more games as a result by keeping their defense off the field. I'm not expecting anything to change. I guess I bumped the thread to vent. It's baffling to me that they would give DeAngelo that much money to not carry the football. It's not like he isn't producing when he gets carries.

It's amazing to see how everyone gushes over Newton after he is continually loosing football games for them. 3 interceptions after you have built a 2+ TD lead on the road? Half of his other throws weren't even close.

Cam threw 0 interceptions while his team was leading last week. HTH.

You are down 1 point on the road, and it's time to air it out?

 

[harryhood]

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

163 of his fumbles were recovered by a Panther.

You're right. Thanks. That's still quite a few turnovers.

I may be in the minority, but I like DWill this week. I think he can break a big one against the Indy defense. If he scores, it will have to be from 20+ yards.

I like his chances to break one, but how many chances will he actually get? It's tough to start him when most of us are in must win situations.

DeAngelo is averaging 5.1 per carry. He hasn't topped 12 carries in a game this season.

Cam has now turned the ball over 19 times.

The Panthers are 2-8.

I really don't understand this.

Cam fills seats. DeAngelo doesn't. It isn't about winning, or Newton would never see the field. Great attraction, great stat producer, great story, horrible QB. Would never start for a real franchise.

I get that he fills seats, but he's making bad decisions and is a turnover machine right now. People would still come to watch him play even if he handed the ball off a few more times, and the Panthers would have probably won a few more games as a result by keeping their defense off the field. I'm not expecting anything to change. I guess I bumped the thread to vent. It's baffling to me that they would give DeAngelo that much money to not carry the football. It's not like he isn't producing when he gets carries.

It's amazing to see how everyone gushes over Newton after he is continually loosing football games for them. 3 interceptions after you have built a 2+ TD lead on the road? Half of his other throws weren't even close.

Cam threw 0 interceptions while his team was leading last week. HTH.

You are down 1 point on the road, and it's time to air it out?

Lots of Fantasy bias going on in this discussion. So be it - congrats to all those Panther fans who pay money to see a team who is content with losing.

 

[jonboltz]

Cam threw 0 interceptions while his team was leading last week. HTH.

You are down 1 point on the road, and it's time to air it out?

I was just correcting your wrong statement.

Lots of Fantasy bias going on in this discussion. So be it - congrats to all those Panther fans who pay money to see a team who is content with losing.

Strawman much?

 

[omally]

So be it - congrats to all those Panther fans who pay money to see a team who is content with losing.

That's a weird thing to say.

 

[Ray_T]

I really hope Stewart leaves for ATL by the time that contact ends in two seasons, preffect time to replace Turner.

I thought I heard somewhere that Stewart was a free agent after this season?

After 2012, I'm pretty sure. Stupid contract for DAW (ahh, the pesky CAP FLOOR???), but more likely that Carolina can get out from under that one.

If Stewart ends up resigning in Carolina I'd be surprised, I really dont see him resigning back there with what they did with Williams, who knows though their owner seems dumb enough to throw money around, I just hope Stewart realizes he's a premier back that should be a feature back in the league.(should of years ago by now)

If I were Stewart, I'd go to a team that promises a starting gig. why not? He probably should have been the starter here for 2 years now, and the coach wont give him the carries he needs to be successful. The only way I'd even consider resign in Carolina would be if DeAngelo retires in the off season.Nothing against DeAngelo, but if you feel you are a starter, you wanna start. If the coach doesnt give you that, then when free agency comes along, you do what you gotta do.

 

[Catbird]

I really hope Stewart leaves for ATL by the time that contact ends in two seasons, preffect time to replace Turner.

I thought I heard somewhere that Stewart was a free agent after this season?

After 2012, I'm pretty sure. Stupid contract for DAW (ahh, the pesky CAP FLOOR???), but more likely that Carolina can get out from under that one.

This(!) on the contract. CAR was way under cap these last years and had to spend a ton more on salary to meet the new agreement requirements. By giving it all to DeAngelo, Richardson gets to recover the non-guaranteed portion when Williams retires or is released. This was the best way for Jerry to save as much cash (spend as little on salaries) as possible.We want guys to be lead backs and lead the league in yardage and scoring. Lots of guys want that too. DeAngelo clearly doesn't care about that and Stewary may not either. Those two are great friends who I think really like playing together and sharing the load. Both have been nicked up a lot the last seasons and having both is great protection against injury to either. If Jerry will pay him under the same cash-saving arrangement (rather than legitimately spending it to improve the defense), I think its pretty likely that Stewart stays. And Carolina fails reach .500 again in our (or at least Jerry's)lifetime.

 

[cvnpoka]

i remember when this board was fawning over bradford and penciling him into the hof as the next peyton manning. the reality was that his rookie year was fairly pedestrian over all. decent for a rookie, but overrated due to an emphasis on bulk accumulation stats.

newton comes along and crushes him in per pass metrics, crushes him in bulk metrics and provides incomparable rushing value, esp inside the 5.

and half the board feels that newton isnt a good qb and should be benched.

ill just say it, yall are racist.

 

[Slapdash]

i remember when this board was fawning over bradford and penciling him into the hof as the next peyton manning. the reality was that his rookie year was fairly pedestrian over all. decent for a rookie, but overrated due to an emphasis on bulk accumulation stats.newton comes along and crushes him in per pass metrics, crushes him in bulk metrics and provides incomparable rushing value, esp inside the 5.and half the board feels that newton isnt a good qb and should be benched.ill just say it, yall are racist.

 

[solorca]

I really hope Stewart leaves for ATL by the time that contact ends in two seasons, preffect time to replace Turner.

I thought I heard somewhere that Stewart was a free agent after this season?

After 2012, I'm pretty sure. Stupid contract for DAW (ahh, the pesky CAP FLOOR???), but more likely that Carolina can get out from under that one.

This(!) on the contract. CAR was way under cap these last years and had to spend a ton more on salary to meet the new agreement requirements. By giving it all to DeAngelo, Richardson gets to recover the non-guaranteed portion when Williams retires or is released. This was the best way for Jerry to save as much cash (spend as little on salaries) as possible.We want guys to be lead backs and lead the league in yardage and scoring. Lots of guys want that too. DeAngelo clearly doesn't care about that and Stewary may not either. Those two are great friends who I think really like playing together and sharing the load. Both have been nicked up a lot the last seasons and having both is great protection against injury to either. If Jerry will pay him under the same cash-saving arrangement (rather than legitimately spending it to improve the defense), I think its pretty likely that Stewart stays. And Carolina fails reach .500 again in our (or at least Jerry's)lifetime.

People keep referencing the Cap Floor, but it is not true. Carolina has NEVER had issues meeting the salary cap (they are usually over or right on it). Last season, Richardson didn't want to spend the money to make a point about the lockout situation and because it was a lame duck season anyway. The Panthers would have been fine as it relates to the salary cap whether they signed DeAngelo or not. They were going to spend money...and they will continue to do so.It's sad that the Panthers organization has this image as a cheap team because of last season. It's not true.

 

[Catbird]

Richardson was one of three owners adamantly opposed to the minumum salary cap, who threatened to block the agreement over it. There was an article posted here at the time which showed how CAR, JAX and 2-3 other teams had historically signed contracts that let them fall way short of the cap, while not appearing to. Do you think it is by chance that extremely careful Richardson signed DWill to a completely unreasonable contract as a split time RB in the unique situation where Jerry will never have to pay 10-15 Mil he is getting credit for against the minimum cap if they release DWill when he turns 31? I don't doubt that we'll see a lot more huge contracts for aging vets as other see how well this works - even as a CAR fan you are applauding it.

These guys are all businessmen running businesses, and should be. Richardson is just one of several owners, whether to break even or to maximize his profits (tough to say with complete non-disclosere) is willing to sacrifice player quality to save money.

 

[FavreCo]

Richardson was one of three owners adamantly opposed to the minumum salary cap, who threatened to block the agreement over it. There was an article posted here at the time which showed how CAR, JAX and 2-3 other teams had historically signed contracts that let them fall way short of the cap, while not appearing to. Do you think it is by chance that extremely careful Richardson signed DWill to a completely unreasonable contract as a split time RB in the unique situation where Jerry will never have to pay 10-15 Mil he is getting credit for against the minimum cap if they release DWill when he turns 31? I don't doubt that we'll see a lot more huge contracts for aging vets as other see how well this works - even as a CAR fan you are applauding it.These guys are all businessmen running businesses, and should be. Richardson is just one of several owners, whether to break even or to maximize his profits (tough to say with complete non-disclosere) is willing to sacrifice player quality to save money.

You mean like last year ( or maybe it was the year before) where the TB Bucs signed some hacks midseason and put in the contracts huge bonuses for running back something like 7 kicks (or INTS - I forget which) for TDs? Hell yeah they do it.

 

[BassNBrew]

A few thoughts here...

1. DeAngelo has progressed as the defenses have started to respect Cam and the coaches have expanded the toolbox.

2. Points on the board and offense aren't the issue. Don't screw with what's working.

3. Diehard fan here and I really don't care that they are losing. My preference would be for them to lose out and get the first overall pick. 2-3 wins and a top five pick >>> 4-6 wins and a 10th-15th pick. As long as they put forth good effort and Cam develops, I'm happy.

4. Stewart and Williams have both stated they are happy sharing the load. It will extended both of their careers. RBBC is more the rule than the expection around the league.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Dwill looked explosive in his few opportunities last week and has a great match-up .... This could be a good week to use him.

 

[Eastwood]

Panthers will be contenders next year if they improve their D in the draft.

 

[cubbie5150]

DWill is one of the best 10 touch per game RBs in the league.....

Seriously, I get the concept of trying to develop Cam, but running the ball to help him out wouldn't stunt his growth, would it??

 

[urbanhack]

Boom!

 

[Eastwood]

another great game for D-Will...on my bench

 

[cubbie5150]

another great game for D-Will...on my bench

Same... Just hard to trust a guy who might only see 8 touches. Story of my season--the only reason I regretted not going RB early: it's easy to lean on "studs" even in bad matchups, but hard to choose from a crop of 2nd/3rd tier guys.

 

[FavreCo]

Just about the most useless 7 TD season ever.

 

[drbrainfreeze]

I almost feel guilty starting him after snagging him off the wire last week. I started him over Hillis (who also had a solid game. Thank you Dwill for my championship.