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Dear White America (1 Viewer)

This sort of attitude actually really bothers me. It groups me and every other white person in with KKK members, bigots, old time segregationists, etc. We're all the same; there is no moral distinction between us. Worse, we can't help being racist which removes anyone who actually IS racist of any moral culpability. It's a terribly collectivist attitude. Since it's focused on all white people, it's actually itself racist.

Anyone who truly believes this tripe is so much of an extremist that IMO there's no point in trying to reason with him. He's too far gone in his own hateful ideology.

 
This sort of attitude actually really bothers me. It groups me and every other white person in with KKK members, bigots, old time segregationists, etc. We're all the same; there is no moral distinction between us. Worse, we can't help being racist which removes anyone who actually IS racist of any moral culpability. It's a terribly collectivist attitude. Since it's focused on all white people, it's actually itself racist.

Anyone who truly believes this tripe is so much of an extremist that IMO there's no point in trying to reason with him. He's too far gone in his own hateful ideology.
Welcome to how we feel reading your posts.

 
This sort of attitude actually really bothers me. It groups me and every other white person in with KKK members, bigots, old time segregationists, etc. We're all the same; there is no moral distinction between us. Worse, we can't help being racist which removes anyone who actually IS racist of any moral culpability. It's a terribly collectivist attitude. Since it's focused on all white people, it's actually itself racist.

Anyone who truly believes this tripe is so much of an extremist that IMO there's no point in trying to reason with him. He's too far gone in his own hateful ideology.
Seems like he sees the world in only black and white. With no shades of gray.

 
This sort of attitude actually really bothers me. It groups me and every other white person in with KKK members, bigots, old time segregationists, etc. We're all the same; there is no moral distinction between us. Worse, we can't help being racist which removes anyone who actually IS racist of any moral culpability. It's a terribly collectivist attitude. Since it's focused on all white people, it's actually itself racist.

Anyone who truly believes this tripe is so much of an extremist that IMO there's no point in trying to reason with him. He's too far gone in his own hateful ideology.
Welcome to how we feel reading your posts.
Well then all I can say is that you're delusional, because I don't write or imply anything like this at all.

But hey, merry Christmas!

 
He uses the example of him being male, he is inherently sexist. He tries not to be each day but usually fails.

He compares that to being white. By being white there you are unaware that you are racist. No matter how hard you try not to be, some racist stuff will still be there in some form. Even goes as far to say if someone treats you differently because you're white then part of the blame is on you. He really does express it like it is hopeless so the reader will say "#### it, nothing I can do."

He should spend more time explaining what people can do to be part of the solution. Is it really essential that he convince white people that they are all racist? I'd think he'd get to the purpose of why he's writing the letter by saying 'Racism is an issue all races need to address. Here's things you can do.'

My 4 future step-kids and 2 step-grand children are all black. So I'll imagine they are the race they are, then what? Any kids I have will be bi-racial. Am I supposed to pigeon hole them as being only black? That's racist, like the old "one-drop rule" where if a person had one drop of black blood in them then they were black.

I prefer to teach the kids that they are more than the color of their skin and their ancestry. The writer seems to want to make race the factor that everything else of who you are is filtered through.

Though maybe I proved his point, showing racism because I didn't already know who James Baldwin is and had to Google it. A Black writer.
TLDR

 
I didn't read it because i don't believe in a white or black America and am color blind like Dr. King wanted.

 
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The statement that simply being white makes one a racist doesn't warrant a serious reply. And I feel sorry for any "intellectuals" who believe this tripe, especially black people, because it's this kind of bitter, self-defeating attitude that keeps generations of people mired in poverty, illegitimacy, addiction and violence. We all have challenges and struggles in our lives that we must overcome if we want to become better people, and we all have the free will to either whine and wallow in those struggles or fight and rise above them. The author should use his amazing intellectualism to encourage and inspire rather than complain and make excuses. Black people already have plenty of "leaders" who do that.

 
Whoever wrote that is a terrible writer. You know it's a chore when I can't finish. I spent an hour reading about the different versions of Spider-Man earlier today.

 
I can only imagine the horror of some $8/hr security guard following me in a store because of my skin color. That has to be much worse than those poor, oppressed Ivy League blacks eating in a dining hall named after some long, dead white guy that used to own slaves. Granted, both must be awful experiences but clearly someone following you is much more Rosa Parks like.

His letter gives me a lot to think about as I cheer on all the blacks playing football this weekend and jerk it to some Hungarian porn.

 
I work for a bank and I am now scared of some BLM fan coming in and protesting over our secret check box on applications for credit stating black. These secrets are not supposed to get out and now fear for my life.

 
This sort of attitude actually really bothers me. It groups me and every other white person in with KKK members, bigots, old time segregationists, etc. We're all the same; there is no moral distinction between us. Worse, we can't help being racist which removes anyone who actually IS racist of any moral culpability. It's a terribly collectivist attitude. Since it's focused on all white people, it's actually itself racist.

Anyone who truly believes this tripe is so much of an extremist that IMO there's no point in trying to reason with him. He's too far gone in his own hateful ideology.
Yeah, this was one of my reactions, too. It was also one of the ones he failed to attempt to delegitimize right off the bat simply by predicting and mentioning it.

 
This sort of attitude actually really bothers me. It groups me and every other white person in with KKK members, bigots, old time segregationists, etc. We're all the same; there is no moral distinction between us. Worse, we can't help being racist which removes anyone who actually IS racist of any moral culpability. It's a terribly collectivist attitude. Since it's focused on all white people, it's actually itself racist.

Anyone who truly believes this tripe is so much of an extremist that IMO there's no point in trying to reason with him. He's too far gone in his own hateful ideology.
Maybe you simply disagree with him on the definition of racism.

 
This dude should have embraced his fellow sexist males; black,white,brown or yellow, by agreeing with them that the only true color that matters is The Pink.

 
What is it called when you are prejudiced against people who are horrible writers?

 
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What is it called when you are prejudiced against people who are horrible writers?
I think that's "discriminating" as opposed to "discrimination."
I like that.

Mall cop: "Sorry sir, I wasn't discriminating when I was following you, I was just being discriminating. See? Feel better now? I'll just stay three feet behind. You won't even notice me."

 
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What is it called when you are prejudiced against people who are horrible writers?
I think that's "discriminating" as opposed to "discrimination."
I like that.

Mall cop: "Sorry sir, I wasn't discriminating when I was following you, I was just being discriminating. See? Feel better now? I'll just stay three feet behind. You won't even notice me."
You understand the difference between having discriminating tastes and discriminating against a group of people, right? That's where the joke was.

 
I believe this gentleman overestimates his intellectual gifts, and the gift he states he intends to give, which of course is not his actual message, though he lacks the capacity to understand that.

 
What is it called when you are prejudiced against people who are horrible writers?
I think that's "discriminating" as opposed to "discrimination."
I like that.

Mall cop: "Sorry sir, I wasn't discriminating when I was following you, I was just being discriminating. See? Feel better now? I'll just stay three feet behind. You won't even notice me."
You understand the difference between having discriminating tastes and discriminating against a group of people, right? That's where the joke was.
I was kidding as well.

 
When this writer tells me it's my fault for being white I feel the same way I do when my wife tells me it's my fault for being a guy.

 
Isn't that the foundation of racism - to ascribe a trait collectively to a group of people purely based race?

 
I know we have Godwin's Law to address Hitler/Nazi probabilities in online discussions, but is there some kind of law that addresses racism probabilities in online discussions?

 
Isn't the title itself, "Dear White America", feeding the culture of racism and divisiness?

 
This sort of attitude actually really bothers me. It groups me and every other white person in with KKK members, bigots, old time segregationists, etc. We're all the same; there is no moral distinction between us. Worse, we can't help being racist which removes anyone who actually IS racist of any moral culpability. It's a terribly collectivist attitude. Since it's focused on all white people, it's actually itself racist.

Anyone who truly believes this tripe is so much of an extremist that IMO there's no point in trying to reason with him. He's too far gone in his own hateful ideology.
Welcome to how we feel reading your posts.
Well then all I can say is that you're delusional, because I don't write or imply anything like this at all.

But hey, merry Christmas!
Just because you don't imply it doesn't mean we don't infer it. You're so white you don't even notice it! :pickle:

 
I think its swell tht this author is willing to take time out of his busy day to try to help folks like me, which is to say so white we are translucent, to hone our white guilt, less it fade away completely. Actually mine either has, or perhaps I never had some at all. This could actually be an emergency, imagine if white guilt does not have the fragile ecosystem it depends on preserved. Why white guilt could go extinct. This guy is a preservationist.

I'm calling it now, Nobel Peace Prize.

 
satch, on 27 Dec 2015 - 10:02 AM, said:Isn't the title itself, "Dear White America", feeding the culture of racism and divisiness?
Can tell in the first paragraph the write suffers from the bitter man syndrome.

 
How Can You Not Like The Beatles?Authored by Dr. Adam J. Rodriguez, PsyD for Psyched in San Francisco Magazine. DR. Rodriguez is a psychologist in practice in San Francisco, California. He is also a faculty member in the Clinical Psychology Department at Notre Dame de Namur University in Belmont, California. He has a specialty in working with individuals who identify as LGBTQ people of color, with emphasis on issues of power dynamics and identity.

A friend of mine is a really, really big Beatles fan. Quite some time ago I reflected to him that I was not familiar with their music. Sure, I could name some of their more popular songs, but when challenged, that list was limited to about seven songs. Astonished and determined to rectify my ignorance and indifference, he burned all of his Beatles CDs for me, in chronological order (yes, this is when music was not yet streaming), and insisted that I dedicate time to listen to them.

So I did. While they had never appealed to me, my friend was so impassioned that I thought it was worth a shot. I did not get very far. After the first two albums, I found it simply was not for me. When I saw him again I thanked him for burning the CDs and told him that I "just couldn't get into it." I told him that the songs seemed fine, I just did not really like them all that much. I did not debate their talent, I simply did not care for it. He was indignant. He pointed out that I did not care for Led Zepellin, his other favorite band. He dismissed my lack of praise for the Beatles, and stated that it was only because I am a contrarian. He found it impossible that I would not love the Beatles, even if not as much as he does.

Am I a "contrarian?"

Possibly. I mean, everybody loves the Beatles. Right?

All cultures contain within them many subcultures, with one cultural dimension often dominant. When one is a member of the dominant culture, that person enjoys particular power and privileges, including the freedom to not have to consider other perspectives. My friend has enjoyed the privilege of not having to consider that there are people in the world that don't have the same relationship to music, food, art, or culture that he does. He has the privilege of not being forced to consider perspectives that are not his own.

Here's what my friend did not consider: He grew up a white middle-class male in the 70s and 80s, to parents who grew up on the Beatles and were immensely influenced by them and other rock and roll bands. I grew up a Puerto Rican lower-class male in the 80s whose parents played guajira, salsa, and Motown/classic R&B/soul growing up. My ears had grown up hearing syncopation, multi-chordal harmonies, diverse percussion, horns, and groove-oriented rhythm sections. The Beatles CDs I listened to were classic rock, non-syncopated, guitar- and drum-dominated, and rhythmically and harmonically simpler. The type of music that he grew up listening to and loving was quite simply different from mine. It was neither better nor worse. Only different. My friend, caught in his ethnocentric blindness, could not grasp that somebody would have a different experience and values from him.

For him, there was a given. The given was that everybody would love the Beatles. My lack of interest in their music could only be understood by him as psychopathology. I was flawed. It could not be understood as a cultural difference. Of course, he has no idea who Oscar Hernandez is, and believes that Carlos Santana wrote Oye Como Va (he didn't, by the way). But that's okay. How should I expect him to know these things when they are so outside of his cultural experience?

Note though that I do have a historical appreciation for the Beatles and Led Zeppelin and Andy Warhol and The Great Gatsby. This is because these are important cultural elements of the dominant culture within which I live. Oscar Hernandez, James Jamerson, and Hunger of Memory are not part of the dominant culture in the same ways. This dynamic occurs in many situations: The person from the non-dominant culture is knowledgeable in dominant culture ideals and values, but the person from the dominant culture is not conversant in aspects of the non-dominant culture. For example, at the playground, heteronormative parents playfully ask my 3-year-old if he "has a girlfriend yet" despite the fact that I truly do not know what my son's sexual orientation, or gender identification for that matter, is and will be. Because the dominant group's perspective is vast institutionally reinforced, this can lead to others feeling excluded, other, or "less than."

There is an implication of a paradigm of normality, and when someone does not fit into that paradigm, it can be uncomfortable for that person, especially if they are dismissed because of their difference like I was. My friend did not stop with curiosity to ask what about the Beatles did not appeal to me. Instead, because he could not consider a different perspective, he had to dismiss that other perspective as faulty. As a result, he made a reductive comment about my character.

Creating true equality is about embracing difference without dismissing it. It occurs when we avoid my friend's mistake. It is an exceptionally difficult thing to do, and often we will not avoid it. That's okay also. You don't have to get it right every time.

What may seem like a "given," is actually quite relative. Liking or not liking the Beatles cannot be assumed, and it certainly is not a character issue. It is influenced by a multitude of factors, including the cultural influences that I grew up with. We do well to not make assumptions about differences, but rather to learn more and broaden our perspective. We can honor and respect the cultural awarenesses that we grew up with without considering "right," while we also openly and truly listen to another person's experience, and - and this is the important part - not pathologize differences that seem alien, but rather attempt to step into that person's perspective and say, "Tell me more."

This is the first in a series of 3 articles on social justice by Dr. Rodriguez.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/psyched-in-san-francisco/how-can-you-not-like-the-_b_8763944.html

 
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