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Debunking Rex Grossman: (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Da Guru
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Obviously the Bears starting to believe the papers. They are not the 1999 rams. They are a run first team. Rex should have about 4 picks. They need to pound the ball, play good D. Looks like Andy Reid is calling the plays.
Banger
Footballguy
Agreed. They are getting carried away with their own success. The offense has dealt with no adversity all year. Let's see how Grossman bounces back.
SSOG
Moderator
Wow, there goes Grossman's 4th pick. What an overrated turd. I mean, everyone knows that anyone who throws four picks against some seriously inferior competition is quite clearly a scrub. (Note: he did it in 2001, too, but I couldn't find the game log for that one).
I'm not ready to "debunk" Grossman yet. He's had one bad game this season. Everyone's entitled to one. We have to remember that this is Rex Grossman's THIRTEENTH CAREER START. He's started fewer games than J.P. Losman or Alex Smith. As far as I'm concerned, Rex gets a pass this week. I'm very interested in seeing how he bounces back, though.
I'm not ready to "debunk" Grossman yet. He's had one bad game this season. Everyone's entitled to one. We have to remember that this is Rex Grossman's THIRTEENTH CAREER START. He's started fewer games than J.P. Losman or Alex Smith. As far as I'm concerned, Rex gets a pass this week. I'm very interested in seeing how he bounces back, though.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Let's not overreact to this performance, I agree. But can we also agree the hype on Rex Grossman was starting to spiral out of control?To be honest, those Rex Grossman : Brett Favre comparisons looked pretty apt tonight.SSOG said:
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
With the defense the Bears have there is no need to take as many chances as Grossman does. He seems to have a candy-arm too.
tommyboy
Footballguy
who do you think they'll start at pitcher next game?as an aside, I just want to give props to Grossman for doing everything in his power to throw away a sure victory for my team. I had him, Clark and Bears D going tonight against Rackers, and it wasn't until the Bears D in the 4th put 2 scores and about 120 return yds up that I cemented the win. I have to say that was the most interesting game I recall ever seeing.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Even on the passes that didn't get picked, he made some absolutely horrible reads and throws. True, he's got a speedster in Berrian, but I think we'll see that less and less from now on. They will pound the ball. Sell Berrian high.
SSOG
Moderator
True, the hype on Grossman was out of control. His play to this point had earned him at least a mention in the MVP talks, but anyone who honestly thought that he'd still be sitting around with a serious chance to win it in week 12 or 13 was overly optimistic.Let's not overreact to this performance, I agree. But can we also agree the hype on Rex Grossman was starting to spiral out of control?To be honest, those Rex Grossman : Brett Favre comparisons looked pretty apt tonight.SSOG said:
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
its not meaningless at all. Sure it is sometimes skewed by games like this, but what stat isn't skewed at times? To call it "meaningless" is an extreme exaggeration.
twistd
Footballguy
I couldn't agree more. Rex was absolutely pitiful. He looked an awful lot like Chad Hutchinson did last year. Chad went from starting in the NFL to unemployed in a week. Rexy may find himself in the same boat soon.
SSOG
Moderator
Say what? Through 5 weeks, people were talking about Rex as a potential MVP, and then after a bad game they're discussing how soon we'll be seeing Griese?Overreact much?
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Some people just live week to week and are incapable of looking big picture I suppose.
jbird5150
Footballguy
The NFL has a way of balancing the scales, and I think that's what happened. Rex is not as good as the last few weeks would show, but not as bad as last night. I think this will bring everything back into perspective again.
He's a decent, serviceable QB on a team with a crushing defense. Once he learnes that he can't throw 60 yard bombs on every play, he'll be fine. How many times did he hit Dez Clark underneath for 10? The Cards were giving him that all night and he STILL tried to go all Marino.
Good week for the bye. Maybe Rex will look in the mirror and not see the unshaven, graying face of a former Kiln, Mississippi resident.
He's a decent, serviceable QB on a team with a crushing defense. Once he learnes that he can't throw 60 yard bombs on every play, he'll be fine. How many times did he hit Dez Clark underneath for 10? The Cards were giving him that all night and he STILL tried to go all Marino.
Good week for the bye. Maybe Rex will look in the mirror and not see the unshaven, graying face of a former Kiln, Mississippi resident.
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boubucarow
Footballguy
I never wanted Greise to start and was completely behind Grossman starting from day 1. I wanted Grossman to start even though I knew a game or two like this was possible, likely even. Why? Rex can make some bad throws and bad reads but he will never back down. He had enough confidence in himself to continue throw the ball (badly, yes) down the field. I see him learning from this and rebounding. He has a NFL arm and NFL mental toughness. He just needs more NFL experience.
Anybody who has watched the Bears knew a game like this was coming for Rex. If they didn't, they didn't see the Minnesota game. But they also should know to let Rex rebound from this because that is far and away what is the best option for this team. And he will rebound to be a pretty good QB. Hopefully good enough to win three straight games in the playoffs.
Anybody who has watched the Bears knew a game like this was coming for Rex. If they didn't, they didn't see the Minnesota game. But they also should know to let Rex rebound from this because that is far and away what is the best option for this team. And he will rebound to be a pretty good QB. Hopefully good enough to win three straight games in the playoffs.
saintfool
Dead sexy
People seemed to have forgotten that in almost every one of the Bears victories that Grossman threw one big bomb to Berrian. It looks like Green's plan was the deny that deep downfield score. It worked, more or less. Those INT's were a result of that, as were the fumbles (he stood in the pocket waiting for his WR's downfield to open up). This will be a blueprint for handling the Bears. Lovie and Grossman will have to adjust if they want to continue their success.
Banger
Footballguy
I think for the 1st time ever I agreed with Theisman that Grossman needed to stop going for the bombs and take the short underneath routes and pick up 1st downs. They were stubborn though and kept going to the well just hoping they could break a long one. Teams will definitely use this game as a blueprint.
faulkfan
Footballguy
Bingo.Somewhere out there is a happy medium. A world where a fast start doesn't put you in the HOF and a bad game doesn't put you on waivers.Let's not overreact to this performance, I agree. But can we also agree the hype on Rex Grossman was starting to spiral out of control?To be honest, those Rex Grossman : Brett Favre comparisons looked pretty apt tonight.SSOG said:
Grossman has been playng over his head just like the entire Bears offense, but they have shown that they can throw the ball. If they can find some balance they should be okay.
Slingblade
Footballguy
Griese.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
The young man likes to fling it.
The young man takes a pounding.
The young man refuses to give in.
I see Brett Favre in this hombre. And, I'm a cheesehead. I think you have a winner. Give him some serious weapons, and you're good to go....
The young man takes a pounding.
The young man refuses to give in.
I see Brett Favre in this hombre. And, I'm a cheesehead. I think you have a winner. Give him some serious weapons, and you're good to go....
Oh the Humanity
Footballguy
dittoThe difference between really good organizations and average/below average ones is how they manage the risk/reward factor. In this case you have a QB who has demonstrated a lot of talent but still has a lot of rough edges. An averege team tries to force into a fewer mistakes straitjacket or benches him for a more comfortable QB, who'll make sure you'll beat the slugs on your schedule and not actually lose games for you, although he won't actually win any. To win special games , you need special players, and when Grossman plays well he is.The young man likes to fling it.
The young man takes a pounding.
The young man refuses to give in.
I see Brett Favre in this hombre. And, I'm a cheesehead. I think you have a winner. Give him some serious weapons, and you're good to go....
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BoulderBob
Footballguy
Please, if the Bears give up on Rex in his first season playing/starting every game, I'm done with them. Luckily reactionaries don't run the team. He is progressing as expected, needs work in against good defenses, but the same has been said about every young QB to ever lace them up.
After today's debacle, the "terrible" Rex Grossman has an 83.5 QB rating, with 18TD's versus 11 ints in his first full season as the starter.
After today's debacle, the "terrible" Rex Grossman has an 83.5 QB rating, with 18TD's versus 11 ints in his first full season as the starter.
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Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Stop with the young Favre comparisons. When Favre was young he was 100 times the QB Grossman is. The only Favre you can compare him to is the old one who last year took way too many chances. Plus Grossman doesn't have the arm strength of Favre because no one ever has.
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MLBrandow
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Am I seriously the only one who notices that he throws the ball differently now than he was at the beginning of the season?He needs to be benched so he can heal his hand. He aggravated whatever injury he was dealing with in that NE game, and they still won't put Griese in.All this guy does is win games. The Bears would win by more if they played without a QB.6/19 34 yards passing 3 int4 rushes for -9 yardsfinal score Bears 23 Min 13
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The Grizzly One
Footballguy
His confidence is shot. I have been a long time Rex believer. But yes it's time to go with Griese. I don't want to give up totally on Rex, but maybe a couple games sitting watching a competent game manager run the show could be a lesson for him.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
I didn't see the game so I can't say, but with that stat line I'd think it almost has to be the case. He's had some bad games this year, but 34 passing yards?Am I seriously the only one who notices that he throws the ball differently now than he was at the beginning of the season?He needs to be benched so he can heal his hand. He aggravated whatever injury he was dealing with in that NE game, and they still won't put Griese in.All this guy does is win games. The Bears would win by more if they played without a QB.6/19 34 yards passing 3 int4 rushes for -9 yardsfinal score Bears 23 Min 13
bostonfred
Footballguy
and 3 INTs.I didn't see the game so I can't say, but with that stat line I'd think it almost has to be the case. He's had some bad games this year, but 34 passing yards?Am I seriously the only one who notices that he throws the ball differently now than he was at the beginning of the season?He needs to be benched so he can heal his hand. He aggravated whatever injury he was dealing with in that NE game, and they still won't put Griese in.All this guy does is win games. The Bears would win by more if they played without a QB.6/19 34 yards passing 3 int4 rushes for -9 yardsfinal score Bears 23 Min 13
PsychoMan
Footballguy
i'm sick of this crap. i stood by rex all season, but he simply cannot get it done. we need a QB who can protect the ball and make good decisions ... the only thing stopping the bears from the super bowl is Rex
u guys see him bolt off the field as soon as the game was done? he was getting booed all day too. what the crap happened to this guy.
u guys see him bolt off the field as soon as the game was done? he was getting booed all day too. what the crap happened to this guy.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Not true. Orton is also stopping the bears from making it to a Superbowl.
PsychoMan
Footballguy
i suppose the only other thing that may stop them is injuries ... its no good seeing tommy harris & vasher get hurt today. we need that D to be healthy.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Injuries or no, this Bears team is not winning a Superbowl.gferrell20 said:bostonfred said:
bostonfred
Footballguy
Have Grossman line up with his back to the opponent's D, throw it deep to Berrian lined up 40 yards behind the line of scrimmage, and have the rest of the Bears D covering the play. That's good for a couple TDs a game.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
I agree... barring an injury to Grossman, which would be a blessing not in disguise.I'd like their chances with Griese.Injuries or no, this Bears team is not winning a Superbowl.gferrell20 said:bostonfred said:
I think the bears are better off at this point with griese and orton playing QB.
Why wasnt grossman pulled at halftime? How bad does a QB have to play for lovie to fall out of love with "his guy" .
Thank god the defense is so good.
But in the playoffs their screwed with those QB mistakes.
BENCH GROSSMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why wasnt grossman pulled at halftime? How bad does a QB have to play for lovie to fall out of love with "his guy" .
Thank god the defense is so good.
But in the playoffs their screwed with those QB mistakes.
BENCH GROSSMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
