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Defensive coordinator Mike Nolan (1 Viewer)

I find it hard to believe that Pat Bowlen is on board with all of this......

the hits just keep on coming.......KC fan :confused: watching the :tfp: continue...........

 
Jay Glazer is reporting that the Dolphins have officially hired Mike Nolan to be their defensive coordinator

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Perhaps this was all part of McDaniels plan...Now he can go after D. Pees as his DC, who recently left New England. Pees leaving New England and Nolan leaving Denver all within a matter of days of each other seems like more than a coincidence.Belichick West continues to form.
It's on. From Rotoworld.
The Denver Post confirms that the Broncos are "likely to soon name" Dean Pees their defensive coordinator replacement for Mike Nolan.It's still unclear when the hiring will occur, but it appears all but inevitable. Head coach Josh McDaniels won't have to do extensive interviewing of Pees after working with him for five seasons on the Patriots' coaching staff.
They should name a toilet at Invesco Field after him.
 
I wonder what the general concensus is on Mike Nolan with the Defensive Gurus around here...Granted, it was a while ago - I think 2000 or so, But, Nolan coached the Jets D and was a bit of a mess.Since then and from what I saw, I never associated Nolan with what I call the "Geniuses" of the league - a Bellichik, who dazzles players with weekly game plans. There were stories about players like Brian Cox teaching him the defense and how he was pretty much a puppet - If I recall 3-4 wasn't really his thing at the time. Then he went on to Baltimore, again with an established defense that pretty much did what they always did and I'm not sure how much credit he deserved there but, it was great on the resume - and then he was a pretty mediocre HC.... Last year was pretty good, obviously back as a DC.
The job Nolan did in Baltimore was really exceptional. Marvin Lewis coached the defense until 2001, and it was an elite 4-3 unit. After 2001, Baltimore's front office had a massive cap purge. Baltimore lost both of its starting safeties (Woodson and Harris), one of its CBs (Starks), one of its LBs (Sharper), and 3 of its 4 Dlinemen (Siragusa, Adams, and Burnett). Making matters worse, Ray Ray only played 5 games in '02. Basically, the entire defense was decimated. Nolan stepped in and the defense predictably struggled in 2002, but they were back to an elite, dominating unit in 2003 and 2004 (and remained on autopilot after he left). Nolan basically took an elite defense, purged all the talent, switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4, and had it back to an elite level within just 2 years. Really impressive job.
 
I wonder what the general concensus is on Mike Nolan with the Defensive Gurus around here...Granted, it was a while ago - I think 2000 or so, But, Nolan coached the Jets D and was a bit of a mess.Since then and from what I saw, I never associated Nolan with what I call the "Geniuses" of the league - a Bellichik, who dazzles players with weekly game plans. There were stories about players like Brian Cox teaching him the defense and how he was pretty much a puppet - If I recall 3-4 wasn't really his thing at the time. Then he went on to Baltimore, again with an established defense that pretty much did what they always did and I'm not sure how much credit he deserved there but, it was great on the resume - and then he was a pretty mediocre HC.... Last year was pretty good, obviously back as a DC.
The job Nolan did in Baltimore was really exceptional. Marvin Lewis coached the defense until 2001, and it was an elite 4-3 unit. After 2001, Baltimore's front office had a massive cap purge. Baltimore lost both of its starting safeties (Woodson and Harris), one of its CBs (Starks), one of its LBs (Sharper), and 3 of its 4 Dlinemen (Siragusa, Adams, and Burnett). Making matters worse, Ray Ray only played 5 games in '02. Basically, the entire defense was decimated. Nolan stepped in and the defense predictably struggled in 2002, but they were back to an elite, dominating unit in 2003 and 2004 (and remained on autopilot after he left). Nolan basically took an elite defense, purged all the talent, switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4, and had it back to an elite level within just 2 years. Really impressive job.
:goodposting:
 
Six weeks into the season he looked like a pretty capable guy. But he's sure reversed that thinking. I'd say just by looking at the last few weeks of the season and the offseason so far, the Chiefs are the Chargers' threat next year for the division. And if Gradkowski really had something going with the young Oakland receivers, they might not be last in the division next year.

 
If I were Bears GM Jerry Angelo, and I'm still looking to hire a defensive coordinator, I'm on the phone with this guy as soon as this story hits the wire.
Except for the fact that Angelo is an idiot.
You might be right, but Nolan runs a 3-4 scheme that the Bears simply don't have the personnel for. If they hire Nolan, their defense would not improve much, if at all, in year one. Since Lovie is obviously coaching for his job, and Angelo might be in the same boat, the Bears won't be making radical, slow developing changes this year.
BusterTBronco said:
PFT connects the dots.

Coach tampering by the Dolphins.

Thank ya very much!
Can't really blame McD if this is what went down.
I suppose you can't blame him for letting Nolan go, but you can almost definitely blame McDaniels for why Nolan so desperately wanted to get the hell out of dodge. Coordinators making lateral moves is pretty rare in the NFL, and almost surely is due to McDaniels incompetence, ego, or inability to manage players/staff.
 
Story just gets stranger by the day.

"Less than two weeks after McDaniels acted in a way he would never tolerate from his players - like a petulant child - when he refused to provide his team its best chance to win its final game by benching Pro Bowl wide receiver Brandon Marshall and tight end Tony Scheffler, he called in defensive coordinator Mike Nolan and told him in no uncertain terms his Broncos would not be blitzing next season like they did this year."

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columni...ticleid=1226848

 
If I were Bears GM Jerry Angelo, and I'm still looking to hire a defensive coordinator, I'm on the phone with this guy as soon as this story hits the wire.
Except for the fact that Angelo is an idiot.
You might be right, but Nolan runs a 3-4 scheme that the Bears simply don't have the personnel for. If they hire Nolan, their defense would not improve much, if at all, in year one. Since Lovie is obviously coaching for his job, and Angelo might be in the same boat, the Bears won't be making radical, slow developing changes this year.
BusterTBronco said:
PFT connects the dots.

Coach tampering by the Dolphins.

Thank ya very much!
Can't really blame McD if this is what went down.
I suppose you can't blame him for letting Nolan go, but you can almost definitely blame McDaniels for why Nolan so desperately wanted to get the hell out of dodge. Coordinators making lateral moves is pretty rare in the NFL, and almost surely is due to McDaniels incompetence, ego, or inability to manage players/staff.
Would love to see the proof you have to back the bold statement up?
 
Story just gets stranger by the day.

"Less than two weeks after McDaniels acted in a way he would never tolerate from his players - like a petulant child - when he refused to provide his team its best chance to win its final game by benching Pro Bowl wide receiver Brandon Marshall and tight end Tony Scheffler, he called in defensive coordinator Mike Nolan and told him in no uncertain terms his Broncos would not be blitzing next season like they did this year."

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columni...ticleid=1226848
;) :lmao: Cutler might be a baby, but this guy is a piece of work.

 
Story just gets stranger by the day.

"Less than two weeks after McDaniels acted in a way he would never tolerate from his players - like a petulant child - when he refused to provide his team its best chance to win its final game by benching Pro Bowl wide receiver Brandon Marshall and tight end Tony Scheffler, he called in defensive coordinator Mike Nolan and told him in no uncertain terms his Broncos would not be blitzing next season like they did this year."

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columni...ticleid=1226848
:thumbup: :lmao: Cutler might be a baby, but this guy is a piece of work.
A bit of arrogance can be a good thing if you can back it up, but too much alienates other good, competitive people. It's also interesting that the claims of "tampering" appear to be a cover for tampering with Pees by McFail. He clearly had him lined up and was planning to can Nolan, which is what prompted Pees to quit his job without apparently having a new gig lined up, something that Assistant Coaches never do.
 
Story just gets stranger by the day.

"Less than two weeks after McDaniels acted in a way he would never tolerate from his players - like a petulant child - when he refused to provide his team its best chance to win its final game by benching Pro Bowl wide receiver Brandon Marshall and tight end Tony Scheffler, he called in defensive coordinator Mike Nolan and told him in no uncertain terms his Broncos would not be blitzing next season like they did this year."

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columni...ticleid=1226848
:lmao: :lmao: Cutler might be a baby, but this guy is a piece of work.
A bit of arrogance can be a good thing if you can back it up, but too much alienates other good, competitive people. It's also interesting that the claims of "tampering" appear to be a cover for tampering with Pees by McFail. He clearly had him lined up and was planning to can Nolan, which is what prompted Pees to quit his job without apparently having a new gig lined up, something that Assistant Coaches never do.
:thumbup: As soon as Peas left NE everyone knew he was going to DEN.

Then Buffalo & Miami send written requests to DEN for the opportunity to interview Nolan.

 
Absolutely excited as a Phinsfan that we got Nolan. Was never a PP fan even when he ahs had some success. Nolan IMHO will go back to being a HC at some point so I always like those type of DC/OC because he will come here and try to make it hard for himself not to be given another HC position so that should keep the fire under the defense.

He has a great track record as a DC, what he did in Denver was tremendous, and with the Jets making big strides in just 1 year, Miami really needs to double their efforts to stay ahead.

 
greenroom said:
Would love to see the proof you have to back the bold statement up?
I'm pretty sure you are capable of connecting the dots on this one. Everyone else here seems to get it. Maybe check the post below yours for starters?
 
Would love to see the proof you have to back the bold statement up?
I'm pretty sure you are capable of connecting the dots on this one. Everyone else here seems to get it. Maybe check the post below yours for starters?
So your saying you have nothing to back up the statement. That's what I thought.
It's like a random guy asking you to backup your opinion that "TO is a selfish ########." I suppose I could provide a dissertation detailing all of the obvious things that most on a fantasy football forum are already aware of and accept, or I can just not allow myself to be baited into wasting my time when most people can already plainly see that McDaniels has established a track record of not playing well with others in Denver. For a head coach, that can pretty clearly be interpreted as incompetence, ego, or inability to manage players/staff. Sorry, random guy.
 
BusterTBronco said:
PFT connects the dots.

Coach tampering by the Dolphins.

Thank ya very much!
the Dolphins submitted to the Broncos a written request to interview Nolan. McDaniels then asked Nolan whether he prefers to be with the Broncos or the Dolphins, and Nolan chose the Dolphins.
Not seeing tampering there, just an over-reaction by McDaniels.
 
BusterTBronco said:
fatness said:
BusterTBronco said:
PFT connects the dots.

Coach tampering by the Dolphins.

Thank ya very much!
the Dolphins submitted to the Broncos a written request to interview Nolan. McDaniels then asked Nolan whether he prefers to be with the Broncos or the Dolphins, and Nolan chose the Dolphins.
Not seeing tampering there, just an over-reaction by McDaniels.
Would Nolan have resigned without knowing that he had the Dolphins job in his back pocket? My guess is no. Maybe he would have but I doubt it.Could Nolan have known that he had the Dolphins job in his back pocket without there being unauthorized contact with the Dolphins? No.

Dots connected.
The way I see it is this:"The Dolphins have asked permission to talk to you."

"Will you be granting them permission?"

"Where would you rather play, Miami or Denver?"

"I don't know, I'd have to talk to them to see what they offer."

"Choose now."

 
BusterTBronco said:
fatness said:
BusterTBronco said:
PFT connects the dots.

Coach tampering by the Dolphins.

Thank ya very much!
the Dolphins submitted to the Broncos a written request to interview Nolan. McDaniels then asked Nolan whether he prefers to be with the Broncos or the Dolphins, and Nolan chose the Dolphins.
Not seeing tampering there, just an over-reaction by McDaniels.
Would Nolan have resigned without knowing that he had the Dolphins job in his back pocket? My guess is no. Maybe he would have but I doubt it.Could Nolan have known that he had the Dolphins job in his back pocket without there being unauthorized contact with the Dolphins? No.

Dots connected.
The way I see it is this:"The Dolphins have asked permission to talk to you."

"Will you be granting them permission?"

"Where would you rather play, Miami or Denver?"

"I don't know, I'd have to talk to them to see what they offer."

"Choose now."
:shrug:

 
BusterTBronco said:
BusterTBronco said:
Would Nolan have resigned without knowing that he had the Dolphins job in his back pocket? My guess is no.
My guess is yes.
Ditto. When you do a job like he did in one year with what was a sorryass D, you get employed easily.
The 2009 Broncos defense had better players than the 2008 defense. (Dawkins, Holliday, etc). This was more of a factor in the so-called "turnaround" then coaching was.I suppose it's not worth mentioning that the Broncos lost 8 of their final 10 games and the defense gave up an average of 29.875 ppg in those 8 losses, including the humiliations of letting Jamarcus Russell drive the Raiders down the field for a game winning TD and surrendering 44 points at home to the lowly Kansas City Chiefs in a must win game.
I had no idea Josh McDaniels posted here.
 
BusterTBronco said:
The 2009 Broncos defense had better players than the 2008 defense. (Dawkins, Holliday, etc). This was more of a factor in the so-called "turnaround" then coaching was.

I suppose it's not worth mentioning that the Broncos lost 8 of their final 10 games and the defense gave up an average of 29.875 ppg in those 8 losses, including the humiliations of letting Jamarcus Russell drive the Raiders down the field for a game winning TD and surrendering 44 points at home to the lowly Kansas City Chiefs in a must win game.
You're saying that Brian Dawkins and Vonnie Holliday are the reasons why the defense got so much better? Vonnie Holliday was signed on September 5th. He's such a good player that no team in the entire league even invited him to Training Camps (including the Broncos, who only signed him because Le Kevin Smith suffered a season-ending injury). As for Brian Dawkins, go read what Eagles fans were saying about him last season. I distinctly remember words like "major liability in coverage" and "on his last legs" and "a shadow of his former self" being tossed around. Then Dawkins comes to Denver and is a second-team AP All Pro. You don't think the career resurgence was the teensiest tiniest bit related to coaching, to Nolan specifically designing schemes to get the most out of Dawkins, to cover his limitations and emphasize his strengths?Denver acquired a bunch of players whose former teams didn't want them, a couple more players who NO TEAMS wanted, some former backups, and a few rookies who are either terrible or don't fit the scheme. They assembled the oldest starting secondary in NFL history. They added those guys to what was one of the five worst defenses of the past 10 years, and suddenly they became one of the best defenses in the entire NFL. The only talent upgrade from last year to this year was Champ Bailey getting healthy, and while I'm as big of a Bailey fan as anyone, Champ isn't the difference between "historically bad defense" and "one of the better defenses in the entire NFL" all by himself. I said several times during the season that the #1 difference between last year and this year is that this year, our studs actually played like studs. Last year, Dumervil, Williams, and Bailey were invisible. This year, they were all over the field making plays. That's a sure-fire sign of good coaching, imo.

 
Yes, the defense struggled at times down the stretch (the Oakland game at the end, the whole KC game, etc.), but looking at the whole season, they went from 29th in 2008 to 7th in 2009 in total defense. That is great coaching there.

Basically, in 2008, the Broncos went 8-8, largely on the strength of their passing game. Jay Cutler, the leader of that passing game, is now gone.

In 2009, the Broncos went 8-8, largely on the strength of their defense. Mike Nolan, the great DC, is now gone.

The one constant in the departure of both is....Josh McDaniels.

If McDaniels is still the head coach following next season, rest assured that whatever area of the team is the strongest next year, one of the key components will somehow be driven away by McDaniels. You can almost set your watch to it.

 
BusterTBronco said:
BusterTBronco said:
Would Nolan have resigned without knowing that he had the Dolphins job in his back pocket? My guess is no.
My guess is yes.
Ditto. When you do a job like he did in one year with what was a sorryass D, you get employed easily.
The 2009 Broncos defense had better players than the 2008 defense. (Dawkins, Holliday, etc). This was more of a factor in the so-called "turnaround" then coaching was.I suppose it's not worth mentioning that the Broncos lost 8 of their final 10 games and the defense gave up an average of 29.875 ppg in those 8 losses, including the humiliations of letting Jamarcus Russell drive the Raiders down the field for a game winning TD and surrendering 44 points at home to the lowly Kansas City Chiefs in a must win game.
I completely disagree. If anything, Nolan did a great job with a suspect front 7 that wore down by year's end. Nolan's scheming and his ability to make adjustments and shut down offenses won Denver a few games early in the year. I don't know if offenses caught up to Denver's defensive style or the players wore down at the end of the year, but the fact that Denver was blitzing so much against the run (and getting burned on those blitzes) tells me it probably had a lot to do with a suspect front 7 getting worn down. Nolan was as big a pickup as anyone else last offseason and it's going to be hard to fill his shoes in Denver.
 
BusterTBronco said:
BusterTBronco said:
Would Nolan have resigned without knowing that he had the Dolphins job in his back pocket? My guess is no.
My guess is yes.
Ditto. When you do a job like he did in one year with what was a sorryass D, you get employed easily.
The 2009 Broncos defense had better players than the 2008 defense. (Dawkins, Holliday, etc). This was more of a factor in the so-called "turnaround" then coaching was.I suppose it's not worth mentioning that the Broncos lost 8 of their final 10 games and the defense gave up an average of 29.875 ppg in those 8 losses, including the humiliations of letting Jamarcus Russell drive the Raiders down the field for a game winning TD and surrendering 44 points at home to the lowly Kansas City Chiefs in a must win game.
Now you are taking shots at Nolan, his ability, and the job he did in Denver? :unsure: Nolan was on board Jan 12th... who do you think picked out the "pegs" to fill the "slots"?
So can we not point out facts that the defence did not do much better at the end of the season. The same problem that Denver has had the past few seasons. The problem with Denver is that they are going on what their 6th D Cord in 6 years.I think on this board. Instead of blaming Bush for everything it has been replaced by blaming McDaniel's for everything
 

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