Deion Branch (1 Viewer)

[aldelgreco]

WR Bobby Engram watched practice as he was feeling ill. "He is feeling kind of funky today," HC Mike Holmgren said, adding Engram was due to get a round of doctor's tests. If Engram remains sick, WR Deion Branch could get his first Seattle start Sunday. "He is certainly ready," the coach said.

So, if he is "certainly ready"...he has gotten a good grasp of the offense.

Am I missing something, or do teams give up first-round draft picks for WRs who are going to contribute in spot-duty? I'm of the opinion that Branch is more talented than DJax, and while he needs some time to learn the system, how can Branch not at least be a "1b" if not a "1a" relatively soon?

 

[Hands_on_the_Heisman]

I'm hoping Branch is ready to go as well. Certainly with Shaun Alexander still out you'd think the offense would be more pass happy than usual. I don't know if he's more talented than DJAX but I'd say about week 10 when Jackson goes down with his annual injury, Branch has a chance to be the go to guy for Hasslebeck.

 

[Pied Piper]

WR Bobby Engram watched practice as he was feeling ill. "He is feeling kind of funky today," HC Mike Holmgren said, adding Engram was due to get a round of doctor's tests. If Engram remains sick, WR Deion Branch could get his first Seattle start Sunday. "He is certainly ready," the coach said.

So, if he is "certainly ready"...he has gotten a good grasp of the offense.

Am I missing something, or do teams give up first-round draft picks for WRs who are going to contribute in spot-duty? I'm of the opinion that Branch is more talented than DJax, and while he needs some time to learn the system, how can Branch not at least be a "1b" if not a "1a" relatively soon?

 

[valhallan]

Any other thoughts on Branch? I think he's a great buy low right now. DJax is an injury concern, Engram is having problems, and Branch has been with the team long enough to step in and take some targets. Plus, he's already had his bye and Seattle's schedule looks favorable:

Wk6 @St. Louis

Wk7 Minnesota

Wk8 @Kansas City

Wk9 Oakland

Wk10 St. Louis

Wk11 @San Francisco

Wk12 Green Bay

Wk13 @Denver

Wk14 @Arizona

Wk15 San Francisco

Wk16 San Diego

San Diego in week 16 isn't great, but at least it's in Seattle.

 

[PMENFAN]

Think more 2 than 1A. He's not a WR1. He'll get dinged and miss time.

Not a chance is he on par, talent wise, with DJax. It's not even close. He's a very good compliment as a guy who can run every route on the field and get down field, but he's not the #1 guy.who can solve double teams for you. He's not that guy, but I do expect him to be a solid #2 option by the time fantasy playoffs roll around. He should pick up the system by then. I wouldn't start him until I see a week or two of solid production though.

 

[tombonneau]

Think more 2 than 1A. He's not a WR1. He'll get dinged and miss time. Not a chance is he on par, talent wise, with DJax. It's not even close. He's a very good compliment as a guy who can run every route on the field and get down field, but he's not the #1 guy.who can solve double teams for you. He's not that guy, but I do expect him to be a solid #2 option by the time fantasy playoffs roll around. He should pick up the system by then. I wouldn't start him until I see a week or two of solid production though.

What he said. I'm actually trying to move him now in a package deal (to upgrade my WR1), pumping the fact that news is he is starting this week, buy low, etc. Even if I can't get the deal done, I expect Branch to finally put up some reputable stats now and start to gain fantasy momentum which will only increase his value.If I didn't feel I needed to upgrade my WR1 spot, I would feel fine holding onto Branch as I think he is a solid WR3 with potential to blossom into WR2 down the stretch.He likely will reward many patient owners come playoff time.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Just traded for him....had to give away DeAngelo Williams...but I needed to risk it. Horn wasn't cutting it.

Don't think he's as good as DJax, but by year end Branch should be good for 6 catches a game, 80 yards, and a TD here or there.

 

[valhallan]

Think more 2 than 1A. He's not a WR1. He'll get dinged and miss time. Not a chance is he on par, talent wise, with DJax. It's not even close. He's a very good compliment as a guy who can run every route on the field and get down field, but he's not the #1 guy.who can solve double teams for you. He's not that guy, but I do expect him to be a solid #2 option by the time fantasy playoffs roll around. He should pick up the system by then. I wouldn't start him until I see a week or two of solid production though.

I think you're underestimating Branch just a little bit. DJax is certainly the better receiver, but Branch has been a #1 before and fought off plenty of double teams. The real concern should be whether he can pick up the Seattle offense in a reasonable amount of time. I usually shy away from WRs on new teams, because they just don't perform up to expectations until year 2 at least. But in this case, I think the amount of practice he's already had and the presence of vets like Hass, DJax and Engram make for an ideal environment to learn the playbook.Owners of potential rookie wall hitters like Colston and Jennings should probably try to get Branch.

 

[tombonneau]

Think more 2 than 1A. He's not a WR1. He'll get dinged and miss time. Not a chance is he on par, talent wise, with DJax. It's not even close. He's a very good compliment as a guy who can run every route on the field and get down field, but he's not the #1 guy.who can solve double teams for you. He's not that guy, but I do expect him to be a solid #2 option by the time fantasy playoffs roll around. He should pick up the system by then. I wouldn't start him until I see a week or two of solid production though.

I think you're underestimating Branch just a little bit. DJax is certainly the better receiver, but Branch has been a #1 before and fought off plenty of double teams. The real concern should be whether he can pick up the Seattle offense in a reasonable amount of time. I usually shy away from WRs on new teams, because they just don't perform up to expectations until year 2 at least. But in this case, I think the amount of practice he's already had and the presence of vets like Hass, DJax and Engram make for an ideal environment to learn the playbook.Owners of potential rookie wall hitters like Colston and Jennings should probably try to get Branch.

Actually valhallen, PMEFAN, like me, speaks as a fellow Pats homer. And the simple fact of the NFL is that when teams game plan vs. Branch and double-team him, he drops off the face of the earth. As in 0 catches, 0 yds. I have seen it happen several times. He simply is not NFL WR1 material. Still blows my mind Pats got a #1 for him.However, I think his talents will cause him to excel in Seattle opposite Djax, similar to how Terry Glenn is having a great year opposite TO in Dallas. Glenn is another one of those guys who can't really dominate as the #1 guy, but can have great success as the #2. I could see Branch doing the same.

 

[wraith5]

Think more 2 than 1A. He's not a WR1. He'll get dinged and miss time. Not a chance is he on par, talent wise, with DJax. It's not even close. He's a very good compliment as a guy who can run every route on the field and get down field, but he's not the #1 guy.who can solve double teams for you. He's not that guy, but I do expect him to be a solid #2 option by the time fantasy playoffs roll around. He should pick up the system by then. I wouldn't start him until I see a week or two of solid production though.

I think you're underestimating Branch just a little bit. DJax is certainly the better receiver, but Branch has been a #1 before and fought off plenty of double teams. The real concern should be whether he can pick up the Seattle offense in a reasonable amount of time. I usually shy away from WRs on new teams, because they just don't perform up to expectations until year 2 at least. But in this case, I think the amount of practice he's already had and the presence of vets like Hass, DJax and Engram make for an ideal environment to learn the playbook.Owners of potential rookie wall hitters like Colston and Jennings should probably try to get Branch.

Actually valhallen, PMEFAN, like me, speaks as a fellow Pats homer. And the simple fact of the NFL is that when teams game plan vs. Branch and double-team him, he drops off the face of the earth. As in 0 catches, 0 yds. I have seen it happen several times. He simply is not NFL WR1 material. Still blows my mind Pats got a #1 for him.However, I think his talents will cause him to excel in Seattle opposite Djax, similar to how Terry Glenn is having a great year opposite TO in Dallas. Glenn is another one of those guys who can't really dominate as the #1 guy, but can have great success as the #2. I could see Branch doing the same.

I think the comparison of Branch to Glenn is a very good one. With a solid WR1 taking the main focus away, they can do some serious damage. In the WR1 role, they just don't quite get the job done.

 

[shadow2k]

I don't know if he's more talented than DJAX but I'd say about week 10 when Jackson goes down with his annual injury, Branch has a chance to be the go to guy for Hasslebeck.

Darrell Jackson played a full 16 in 2000, 2001, 2003, and 2004. Maybe it's tri-annual?

 

[valhallan]

Think more 2 than 1A. He's not a WR1. He'll get dinged and miss time. Not a chance is he on par, talent wise, with DJax. It's not even close. He's a very good compliment as a guy who can run every route on the field and get down field, but he's not the #1 guy.who can solve double teams for you. He's not that guy, but I do expect him to be a solid #2 option by the time fantasy playoffs roll around. He should pick up the system by then. I wouldn't start him until I see a week or two of solid production though.

I think you're underestimating Branch just a little bit. DJax is certainly the better receiver, but Branch has been a #1 before and fought off plenty of double teams. The real concern should be whether he can pick up the Seattle offense in a reasonable amount of time. I usually shy away from WRs on new teams, because they just don't perform up to expectations until year 2 at least. But in this case, I think the amount of practice he's already had and the presence of vets like Hass, DJax and Engram make for an ideal environment to learn the playbook.Owners of potential rookie wall hitters like Colston and Jennings should probably try to get Branch.

Actually valhallen, PMEFAN, like me, speaks as a fellow Pats homer. And the simple fact of the NFL is that when teams game plan vs. Branch and double-team him, he drops off the face of the earth. As in 0 catches, 0 yds. I have seen it happen several times. He simply is not NFL WR1 material. Still blows my mind Pats got a #1 for him.However, I think his talents will cause him to excel in Seattle opposite Djax, similar to how Terry Glenn is having a great year opposite TO in Dallas. Glenn is another one of those guys who can't really dominate as the #1 guy, but can have great success as the #2. I could see Branch doing the same.

Interesting. I've followed the Pats as well, but never really paid attention to Branch stat-wise. Looking it up, I see he didn't have any 0 for 0 yard games last year and only had two real clunkers. But anyway, it seems to me that Brady would never even think to throw to a double-covered receiver, regardless of who it is. Hasselbeck, on the other hand... Guess we'll see what happens. I think DJax will make it the whole year, so perhaps that's the best thing for Branch.

 

[wraith5]

Just traded for him....had to give away DeAngelo Williams...but I needed to risk it. Horn wasn't cutting it.

Don't think he's as good as DJax, but by year end Branch should be good for 6 catches a game, 80 yards, and a TD here or there.

In New England last year, he wasn't putting up those numbers, and he was the primary receiver. Why would you expect them now? 5 for 65 seems about what one could have expected last year. 3 or 4 for 40 seems more in line for this year, IMO. With the soft schedule I see for Seattle, I'm concerned that there won't be much of a need to air it out (OAK, SF x2, GB, ARI) which will affect all of the receivers numbers.

 

[valhallan]

Just traded for him....had to give away DeAngelo Williams...but I needed to risk it. Horn wasn't cutting it.Don't think he's as good as DJax, but by year end Branch should be good for 6 catches a game, 80 yards, and a TD here or there.

In New England last year, he wasn't putting up those numbers, and he was the primary receiver. Why would you expect them now?

Actually, he has put up those numbers. Here are his first 8 last year: | 1 oak | 0 | 7 99 | 1 || 2 car | 0 | 8 60 | 0 || 3 pit | 0 | 6 78 | 0 || 4 sdg | 0 | 1 6 | 0 || 5 atl | 0 | 8 107 | 0 || 6 den | 0 | 7 87 | 0 || 8 buf | 0 | 3 92 | 1 || 9 ind | 0 | 5 58 | 1 |5.6 catches and 73.4 yards a game with 3 scores sprinkled in. There were some decent defenses on that schedule too.But more importantly to your second point, we would expect those numbers now because he's with a new offense and a new quarterback. Tom Brady doesn't feed any one receiver the ball consistently, but Hasselbeck does. The real question is whether Branch can unseat Engram for those 6 catches a game Bobby was getting most of last year.

With the soft schedule I see for Seattle, I'm concerned that there won't be much of a need to air it out (OAK, SF x2, GB, ARI) which will affect all of the receivers numbers.

True, but Seattle had a softy last year too and still finished 14th in passing yards and 5th in TDs.

 

[wraith5]

Just traded for him....had to give away DeAngelo Williams...but I needed to risk it. Horn wasn't cutting it.Don't think he's as good as DJax, but by year end Branch should be good for 6 catches a game, 80 yards, and a TD here or there.

In New England last year, he wasn't putting up those numbers, and he was the primary receiver. Why would you expect them now?

Actually, he has put up those numbers. Here are his first 8 last year: | 1 oak | 0 | 7 99 | 1 || 2 car | 0 | 8 60 | 0 || 3 pit | 0 | 6 78 | 0 || 4 sdg | 0 | 1 6 | 0 || 5 atl | 0 | 8 107 | 0 || 6 den | 0 | 7 87 | 0 || 8 buf | 0 | 3 92 | 1 || 9 ind | 0 | 5 58 | 1 |5.6 catches and 73.4 yards a game with 3 scores sprinkled in. There were some decent defenses on that schedule too.But more importantly to your second point, we would expect those numbers now because he's with a new offense and a new quarterback. Tom Brady doesn't feed any one receiver the ball consistently, but Hasselbeck does. The real question is whether Branch can unseat Engram for those 6 catches a game Bobby was getting most of last year.

With the soft schedule I see for Seattle, I'm concerned that there won't be much of a need to air it out (OAK, SF x2, GB, ARI) which will affect all of the receivers numbers.

True, but Seattle had a softy last year too and still finished 14th in passing yards and 5th in TDs.

Why would you look at only Branch's first 8 games last year?!? He played 16. Let's not pick & choose stats. For the year, he had 78/998/5. In 16 games. (4.9/62.4/0.3 ave) If you look at Engram's numbers last year, he had 67/778/3 in 13 games (5.2/60/0.2 ave). That's with Jax playing only six games for the year. Jurevicius did have 10 TDs, but Branch doesn't bring the same red zone presence Joe does, so we can't assume those numbers would transfer to him. Some, but not close to all. Finally, I think to expect his numbers are going to jump significantly because he's on a new offense (which he has to learn) with a new QB (with whom he needs to develop timing/rapport) is short sighted. They didn't have a pre-season to build that chemistry, so they have to do it on the fly. Against real defenses in real, meaningful games. Maybe next year, but now now. Therefore, even if you were to assume that Jax is going to miss time (no sure thing), I don't see how anyone can expect "big" numbers for Branch with Engram, Burleson, and Stevens competing for receptions.

 

[3intboy]

Just traded for him....had to give away DeAngelo Williams...but I needed to risk it. Horn wasn't cutting it.Don't think he's as good as DJax, but by year end Branch should be good for 6 catches a game, 80 yards, and a TD here or there.

In New England last year, he wasn't putting up those numbers, and he was the primary receiver. Why would you expect them now?

Actually, he has put up those numbers. Here are his first 8 last year: | 1 oak | 0 | 7 99 | 1 || 2 car | 0 | 8 60 | 0 || 3 pit | 0 | 6 78 | 0 || 4 sdg | 0 | 1 6 | 0 || 5 atl | 0 | 8 107 | 0 || 6 den | 0 | 7 87 | 0 || 8 buf | 0 | 3 92 | 1 || 9 ind | 0 | 5 58 | 1 |5.6 catches and 73.4 yards a game with 3 scores sprinkled in. There were some decent defenses on that schedule too.But more importantly to your second point, we would expect those numbers now because he's with a new offense and a new quarterback. Tom Brady doesn't feed any one receiver the ball consistently, but Hasselbeck does. The real question is whether Branch can unseat Engram for those 6 catches a game Bobby was getting most of last year.

With the soft schedule I see for Seattle, I'm concerned that there won't be much of a need to air it out (OAK, SF x2, GB, ARI) which will affect all of the receivers numbers.

True, but Seattle had a softy last year too and still finished 14th in passing yards and 5th in TDs.

Why would you look at only Branch's first 8 games last year?!? He played 16. Let's not pick & choose stats. For the year, he had 78/998/5. In 16 games. (4.9/62.4/0.3 ave) If you look at Engram's numbers last year, he had 67/778/3 in 13 games (5.2/60/0.2 ave). That's with Jax playing only six games for the year. Jurevicius did have 10 TDs, but Branch doesn't bring the same red zone presence Joe does, so we can't assume those numbers would transfer to him. Some, but not close to all. Therefore, even if you were to assume that Jax is going to miss time (no sure thing), I don't see how anyone can expect "big" numbers for Branch with Engram, Burleson, and Stevens competing for receptions.

Stevens is NO threat at all. He just doesn't play well enough to justify downgrading any of the WRs here.Burleson has IMHO been a disapointment, so I think he falls to #3 at best IF Engram is out any length of time.So Branch has really good value and potential, No TE, No Engram if he is Ill, and a week #3 in Burleson.JMHO

 

[ShadowMaster]

DJax is not as injury prone as people think. He missed extended time in 2005, but missed only 3 games in the 5 seasons prior. one serious injury in 6+ seasons is not injury prone, it makes him human.

As for BRANCH > djAX, I gotta DISAGREE

Looking at the remainder of 2006, I see no reason he will be more than a WR2 or 3 for the 'Hawks. The Seattle O is COMPLEX and he just can not be up to speed with other players who have multiple YEARS in the system.

Looking at one of my favorite stats from FBG, Targets; Branch has yet to see more balls than DJax or Engram in any game. Seattle is winning, and I see no reason except injury that this will change going forward in 2006. Next year he MAY earn the WR2 slot in camp, but not before.

The only reason to think he may start is based on what they paid to get him. A figure that I personally felt was WAY TOO HIGH, but you know the 'Hawks felt they were one player away and that this deal could get them the ring they just missed last year.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Superbowl 39:

Branch 11/133/0

Superbowl 38:

Branch 10/143/1

That is all.

 

[valhallan]

Just traded for him....had to give away DeAngelo Williams...but I needed to risk it. Horn wasn't cutting it.Don't think he's as good as DJax, but by year end Branch should be good for 6 catches a game, 80 yards, and a TD here or there.

In New England last year, he wasn't putting up those numbers, and he was the primary receiver. Why would you expect them now?

Actually, he has put up those numbers. Here are his first 8 last year: | 1 oak | 0 | 7 99 | 1 || 2 car | 0 | 8 60 | 0 || 3 pit | 0 | 6 78 | 0 || 4 sdg | 0 | 1 6 | 0 || 5 atl | 0 | 8 107 | 0 || 6 den | 0 | 7 87 | 0 || 8 buf | 0 | 3 92 | 1 || 9 ind | 0 | 5 58 | 1 |5.6 catches and 73.4 yards a game with 3 scores sprinkled in. There were some decent defenses on that schedule too.But more importantly to your second point, we would expect those numbers now because he's with a new offense and a new quarterback. Tom Brady doesn't feed any one receiver the ball consistently, but Hasselbeck does. The real question is whether Branch can unseat Engram for those 6 catches a game Bobby was getting most of last year.

With the soft schedule I see for Seattle, I'm concerned that there won't be much of a need to air it out (OAK, SF x2, GB, ARI) which will affect all of the receivers numbers.

True, but Seattle had a softy last year too and still finished 14th in passing yards and 5th in TDs.

Why would you look at only Branch's first 8 games last year?!? He played 16. Let's not pick & choose stats. For the year, he had 78/998/5. In 16 games. (4.9/62.4/0.3 ave)

You said he wasn't putting up those numbers last year, so I showed you an instance where he did. And I included his 1 for 6 performace, so let's not get too carried away with accusations of picking and choosing stats.

If you look at Engram's numbers last year, he had 67/778/3 in 13 games (5.2/60/0.2 ave). That's with Jax playing only six games for the year. Jurevicius did have 10 TDs, but Branch doesn't bring the same red zone presence Joe does, so we can't assume those numbers would transfer to him. Some, but not close to all.

I'd don't like this whole "transfer stats" thing people play with new wideouts. The bottom line is DJax is the #1 and will draw coverage, Engram is hurt, and Burleson is a non-factor. Branch will get plenty of opportunity and he has shown the ability to produce in the past.

Finally, I think to expect his numbers are going to jump significantly because he's on a new offense (which he has to learn) with a new QB (with whom he needs to develop timing/rapport) is short sighted.

I'm not expecting a significant jump at all. I've simply said he's in a great situation and has a very low price tag right now. What's not to like about that?

Therefore, even if you were to assume that Jax is going to miss time (no sure thing), I don't see how anyone can expect "big" numbers for Branch with Engram, Burleson, and Stevens competing for receptions.

"Big" numbers? 6 for 80 is big? Maybe he'll be closer to 5 for 70, but that's 12 points in PPR and well worth taking a look at.Don't overreact here. No one is really arguing that Branch will be top 10 or even be the #1 on his team. Some of us just think he has a great chance to make an impact on the second half of this season and wise owners should probably try to get him now while the price is low.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Just traded for him....had to give away DeAngelo Williams...but I needed to risk it. Horn wasn't cutting it.Don't think he's as good as DJax, but by year end Branch should be good for 6 catches a game, 80 yards, and a TD here or there.

In New England last year, he wasn't putting up those numbers, and he was the primary receiver. Why would you expect them now?

Actually, he has put up those numbers. Here are his first 8 last year: | 1 oak | 0 | 7 99 | 1 || 2 car | 0 | 8 60 | 0 || 3 pit | 0 | 6 78 | 0 || 4 sdg | 0 | 1 6 | 0 || 5 atl | 0 | 8 107 | 0 || 6 den | 0 | 7 87 | 0 || 8 buf | 0 | 3 92 | 1 || 9 ind | 0 | 5 58 | 1 |5.6 catches and 73.4 yards a game with 3 scores sprinkled in. There were some decent defenses on that schedule too.But more importantly to your second point, we would expect those numbers now because he's with a new offense and a new quarterback. Tom Brady doesn't feed any one receiver the ball consistently, but Hasselbeck does. The real question is whether Branch can unseat Engram for those 6 catches a game Bobby was getting most of last year.

With the soft schedule I see for Seattle, I'm concerned that there won't be much of a need to air it out (OAK, SF x2, GB, ARI) which will affect all of the receivers numbers.

True, but Seattle had a softy last year too and still finished 14th in passing yards and 5th in TDs.

Why would you look at only Branch's first 8 games last year?!? He played 16. Let's not pick & choose stats. For the year, he had 78/998/5. In 16 games. (4.9/62.4/0.3 ave)

You said he wasn't putting up those numbers last year, so I showed you an instance where he did. And I included his 1 for 6 performace, so let's not get too carried away with accusations of picking and choosing stats.

If you look at Engram's numbers last year, he had 67/778/3 in 13 games (5.2/60/0.2 ave). That's with Jax playing only six games for the year. Jurevicius did have 10 TDs, but Branch doesn't bring the same red zone presence Joe does, so we can't assume those numbers would transfer to him. Some, but not close to all.

I'd don't like this whole "transfer stats" thing people play with new wideouts. The bottom line is DJax is the #1 and will draw coverage, Engram is hurt, and Burleson is a non-factor. Branch will get plenty of opportunity and he has shown the ability to produce in the past.

Finally, I think to expect his numbers are going to jump significantly because he's on a new offense (which he has to learn) with a new QB (with whom he needs to develop timing/rapport) is short sighted.

I'm not expecting a significant jump at all. I've simply said he's in a great situation and has a very low price tag right now. What's not to like about that?

Therefore, even if you were to assume that Jax is going to miss time (no sure thing), I don't see how anyone can expect "big" numbers for Branch with Engram, Burleson, and Stevens competing for receptions.

"Big" numbers? 6 for 80 is big? Maybe he'll be closer to 5 for 70, but that's 12 points in PPR and well worth taking a look at.Don't overreact here. No one is really arguing that Branch will be top 10 or even be the #1 on his team. Some of us just think he has a great chance to make an impact on the second half of this season and wise owners should probably try to get him now while the price is low.

Exactly. I don't think 6 rec for 80 yards is crazy. Fine 5 for 70...whatever. It's decent WR2 numbers.Branch was 16th in the NFL in receptions last year. Not exactly bad in an offense that spread it around a lot.

 

[aldelgreco]

Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks WR Deion Branch will start in place of WR Nate Burleson in Week 6.

So is he starting ahead of Burleson or Engram?

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks WR Deion Branch will start in place of WR Nate Burleson in Week 6.So is he starting ahead of Burleson or Engram?

Engram is out this week with a thyroid condition. Hence Branch's start...

 

[aldelgreco]

Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks WR Deion Branch will start in place of WR Nate Burleson in Week 6.

So is he starting ahead of Burleson or Engram?

Engram is out this week with a thyroid condition. Hence Branch's start...

Branch would have ended up starting in front of Engram at some point anyway....MY question, though.....if you read it, asks why the report says he will start in place of NATE BURLESON as opposed to Engram.

 

[DevilDog919]

What is going to happen to Burleson? This offseason they made it a big point to get Burleson, and signed him to a pretty big contract. 7 years, 49 million...anyone know if the stipulations made it a much smaller price? If not then it seems Burleson has to be one of the highest paid WR's sitting on the bench for any team (rookies excluded). Maybe Jackson's out next year?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

What is going to happen to Burleson? This offseason they made it a big point to get Burleson, and signed him to a pretty big contract. 7 years, 49 million...anyone know if the stipulations made it a much smaller price? If not then it seems Burleson has to be one of the highest paid WR's sitting on the bench for any team (rookies excluded). Maybe Jackson's out next year?

As I've said before in Seattle threads...if you are in a keeper or Dynasty you want to hang onto Branch. The reason? DJAX will be gone next year. Branch will be the #1 and Burleson will be the #2. This offense is complicated and once Burleson gets his sea legs he'll be fine. DJAX has been fighting with management for two years for a new contract and this administration has had enough. DJAX will be in another uniform in 2007 guaranteed.

 

[valhallan]

What is going to happen to Burleson? This offseason they made it a big point to get Burleson, and signed him to a pretty big contract. 7 years, 49 million...anyone know if the stipulations made it a much smaller price? If not then it seems Burleson has to be one of the highest paid WR's sitting on the bench for any team (rookies excluded). Maybe Jackson's out next year?

As I've said before in Seattle threads...if you are in a keeper or Dynasty you want to hang onto Branch. The reason? DJAX will be gone next year. Branch will be the #1 and Burleson will be the #2. This offense is complicated and once Burleson gets his sea legs he'll be fine. DJAX has been fighting with management for two years for a new contract and this administration has had enough. DJAX will be in another uniform in 2007 guaranteed.

Finally a Seattle homer!What kind of contribution do you expect from Branch the rest of the way?

 

[seahawk 17]

What is going to happen to Burleson? This offseason they made it a big point to get Burleson, and signed him to a pretty big contract. 7 years, 49 million...anyone know if the stipulations made it a much smaller price? If not then it seems Burleson has to be one of the highest paid WR's sitting on the bench for any team (rookies excluded). Maybe Jackson's out next year?

Holmgren wants to keep Branch on the outside, Burleson will play the slot. Branch is starting in place of Engram, but playing Burleson's spot.I think the guy getting the most love from Hasselbeck, will be Stevens.

 

[fsufan]

Superbowl 39:Branch 11/133/0Superbowl 38:Branch 10/143/1That is all.

FF is played from week 1 to week 16

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Superbowl 39:Branch 11/133/0Superbowl 38:Branch 10/143/1That is all.

FF is played from week 1 to week 16

 

[Marc Levin]

WR Bobby Engram watched practice as he was feeling ill. "He is feeling kind of funky today," HC Mike Holmgren said, adding Engram was due to get a round of doctor's tests. If Engram remains sick, WR Deion Branch could get his first Seattle start Sunday. "He is certainly ready," the coach said.

So, if he is "certainly ready"...he has gotten a good grasp of the offense.

Am I missing something, or do teams give up first-round draft picks for WRs who are going to contribute in spot-duty? I'm of the opinion that Branch is more talented than DJax, and while he needs some time to learn the system, how can Branch not at least be a "1b" if not a "1a" relatively soon?

Branch has shown nothing that supports an opinion that he's faster, quicker, better hands, better route runner, etc.

DJax is a more polished receiver, with as much speed quickness and reliability as Branch.

 

[Marc Levin]

Superbowl 39:Branch 11/133/0Superbowl 38:Branch 10/143/1That is all.

What's your point?Are you attempting to use these stats to show Branch is "better" than Jackson?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Superbowl 39:Branch 11/133/0Superbowl 38:Branch 10/143/1That is all.

What's your point?Are you attempting to use these stats to show Branch is "better" than Jackson?

No. Earlier in the thread, it was stated that Branch is nothing more than a WR2 who cannot overcome a double-team and cannot dominate a game. Hence, the quoted historical stats in some reasonably important football games.

 

[mad sweeney]

Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks WR Deion Branch will start in place of WR Nate Burleson in Week 6.

So is he starting ahead of Burleson or Engram?

Engram is out this week with a thyroid condition. Hence Branch's start...

Branch would have ended up starting in front of Engram at some point anyway....MY question, though.....if you read it, asks why the report says he will start in place of NATE BURLESON as opposed to Engram.

Engram is a special case. When there is no one better to play outside then he "starts" but when there are other wideouts he reverts to his natural slot position where he is a god. He's Hass' security blanket and has been Mr 1st Down his whole career in Seattle. But the slot position isn't termed a "starter" for NFL headline purposes. Branch was NEVER going to "start" over Engram, because no matter who the WRs on the team are Engram will be on the field for a majority of passing plays as the slot monster. So when figuring who Branch supplants as a "starter", Engram is never in the equation. Not all offenses or players fit into convenient formula terms and this is the case with the Seattle WRs. So, the only players that Branch could start over would be Jackson or Burleson and since Nate-O has discovered the dropsies, he gets relegated to 4th WR. In short, no matter what WR battle occurs, Engram will always be Hass' favorite security blanket at the slot position, WR3 if you need a label for it. The fight is for spots 1, 2 & 4.

 

[seabags]

WR Bobby Engram watched practice as he was feeling ill. "He is feeling kind of funky today," HC Mike Holmgren said, adding Engram was due to get a round of doctor's tests. If Engram remains sick, WR Deion Branch could get his first Seattle start Sunday. "He is certainly ready," the coach said.

So, if he is "certainly ready"...he has gotten a good grasp of the offense.

Am I missing something, or do teams give up first-round draft picks for WRs who are going to contribute in spot-duty? I'm of the opinion that Branch is more talented than DJax, and while he needs some time to learn the system, how can Branch not at least be a "1b" if not a "1a" relatively soon?

 

[Cleavage Connoisseur]

I don't know if it was the right move or not, but I just dropped Rod Smith and picked up Branch in a 1 ppr league.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I don't know if it was the right move or not, but I just dropped Rod Smith and picked up Branch in a 1 ppr league.

That's rough. Smith is GUARANTEED performance.

 

[valhallan]

WR Bobby Engram watched practice as he was feeling ill. "He is feeling kind of funky today," HC Mike Holmgren said, adding Engram was due to get a round of doctor's tests. If Engram remains sick, WR Deion Branch could get his first Seattle start Sunday. "He is certainly ready," the coach said.

So, if he is "certainly ready"...he has gotten a good grasp of the offense.

Am I missing something, or do teams give up first-round draft picks for WRs who are going to contribute in spot-duty? I'm of the opinion that Branch is more talented than DJax, and while he needs some time to learn the system, how can Branch not at least be a "1b" if not a "1a" relatively soon?

Branch has shown nothing that supports an opinion that he's faster, quicker, better hands, better route runner, etc.

DJax is a more polished receiver, with as much speed quickness and reliability as Branch.

Uh, what does it matter if DJax is "better" than Branch??This post was bumped a few days ago to discuss buying Deion low.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Hopefully you bought him low. That's the last time that will happen this season.

 

[valhallan]

Hopefully you bought him low. That's the last time that will happen this season.

Yes, I did. And hopefully someone else took note of this thread and did the same.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Hopefully you bought him low. That's the last time that will happen this season.

Yes, I did. And hopefully someone else took note of this thread and did the same.

 

[aldelgreco]

1b.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

1b.

Until next year, and then just #1.

 

[phowler13]

What is going to happen to Burleson? This offseason they made it a big point to get Burleson, and signed him to a pretty big contract. 7 years, 49 million...anyone know if the stipulations made it a much smaller price? If not then it seems Burleson has to be one of the highest paid WR's sitting on the bench for any team (rookies excluded). Maybe Jackson's out next year?

As I've said before in Seattle threads...if you are in a keeper or Dynasty you want to hang onto Branch. The reason? DJAX will be gone next year. Branch will be the #1 and Burleson will be the #2. This offense is complicated and once Burleson gets his sea legs he'll be fine. DJAX has been fighting with management for two years for a new contract and this administration has had enough. DJAX will be in another uniform in 2007 guaranteed.

anyone have a link to Jacksons contract status or to the fact that he is not happy about his contract??

 

[Tarkin]

I traded Rivers for him in a league where you can start 2-3 QBs each week. I really needed help at WR.