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Demarco Murray (1 Viewer)
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looked blazing fast to me, but it is deceptive if you don't have anyone else to compare him to.pulled away from Mikell after spinning him around completely and Dez Bryant wasn't going to catch him until Murray let up when he realized there was nobody near him.
plodders don't run the 40 times he did.
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Dought Man
Footballguy
I think his short strided gait looks a bit misleading at times. He's quite fast.. 4.4 is not a plodder.
dontknowaboutme
Footballguy
40 times aren't everything but he ran a 4.38 at the Combine. There are many players/people (sprinters) who don't "look fast" but are fast. Watched his entire career at Oklahoma, don't think he is the workhorse NFL back that some people are labeling him after one game, but he is obviously a fast and very athletic play maker.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Wait...arent you the guy who expected around 50 total yards for DeMarco this past week?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Typically, the bigger a player is, the slower he looks. Murray is a good-sized RB, but he can run REALLY well.
No matter how you slice it, if you run a 4.38, you're fast.
No matter how you slice it, if you run a 4.38, you're fast.
DollaDIllz
Footballguy
I watched every snap of his college career, and he's never lifted his knees when he runs. Makes him look almost like he's either jogging or falling sometimes. Plus surgery for a dislocated kneecap in 2007 slowed his steps a little more. But he gets from A to B in a hurry, despite the lazy-looking motion.
When it comes down to it, I don't think his game requires top-end speed. He'll get catches, he'll make people miss, he'll use angles. He's a smart, athletic back.
fun fact: He went over 200 in his college debut as well, and the next game had a 92-yard TD run.
When it comes down to it, I don't think his game requires top-end speed. He'll get catches, he'll make people miss, he'll use angles. He's a smart, athletic back.
fun fact: He went over 200 in his college debut as well, and the next game had a 92-yard TD run.
sspunisher
Footballguy
Actually I know what you mean when you say he looked slow. When I was watching that 91 yard run on TV, he looked sooooooooooo slow to me. Maybe because I was so nervous and was hoping he'd take it to the house haha.
Watching the highlight again, he looks faster than I remember. Maybe it was the nerves, I needed that TD big time.
Watching the highlight again, he looks faster than I remember. Maybe it was the nerves, I needed that TD big time.
sspunisher
Footballguy
nysportsfan
Footballguy
He's not a plodder.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Nothing to see really...just a pessimistic owner trying to reverse jinx his players. About 45% of the time, it works.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
I'm not the only one who thinks this.
http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/2011/QOD/fantasyfootball_2011QODMurray_16.htm
I don't understand why people choose to focus exclusively on rushing yards or why 100 yards is the threshold so commonly relied on. Given those rushing numbers, I'd want to also know if he got enough carries in those games, what his average per carry was, and how effective he was in the passing game as well.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Gayle Sayers (played 3 years at Kansas) and had 633 yards his Senior season.
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Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Dumb to compare how well a RB is in college and how it'll automatically translate in the NFL. Look at Foster as a prime example.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
In the first six games of the season, the Cowboys run game produced the following:- 125 Carries (25 per game)- 424 Yards Rushing (84.8 per game)- 3.4 YPC- Spilt of carries: Felix - 64, Choice - 26, Murray - 24That is awful; one of the main reasons the team didn't have the confidence (or effectiveness) to close out the Jets and Lions games by running the ball. To put that in perspective, no team finished the entire season last year with a YPC under 3.5 Early in games, they would try and run on first and second downs and about as often as getting a gain, they were getting stuffed for losses or no yards. At the end of games, they couldn't even get a single 1st down running the ball 3 times in a row.Obviously no one expects Murray to continue running for 6.6 yards a pop, but if he can prove over the next week or two that he can gain yardage in situations Felix has been unable to thus far, I'd expect him to get the lions share of carries from here on out. Using the current average of about 25 carries a game, I'd split it up about 15 for Murray, 5-6 for Jones and the rest spit up between Tanner, Choice, Romo and the WRs.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Thank goodness my league doesn't penalize for lack of 100 yard games against conference opponents the prior year in college. 
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
My league does, but I'm still starting him with confidence vs Philly.
Barry
Footballguy
your post should mention The Rams somewhere. a lot of Rbs would of ripped them up last Sunday.
But they didn't.
Barry
Footballguy
LOL well ok than.
Dought Man
Footballguy
How many other RBs this year have ripped the Rams for 150+ on the ground?
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Sure, the Rams are awful against the run and were starting a backup QB; I'm sure if Felix had been healthy and playing, he probably would have had his best game of the season too.The intent of my post was to point out how bad the Cowboys running game has been this season prior to last weekend, and given Murray's performance on Sunday, I believe he'll be given the immediate opportunity to get it back on track by carrying the load for the foreseeable future. I was responding to a one-liner saying that when Felix gets back it will be a split. I disagree; Felix hasn't done enough in his first 3+ years to have earned the cred to hold his spot while injured if another player steps up. He also hasn't performed well this year (as has the running game as a whole) and the team really needs to be able to run the ball better to win games.Being from DFW I read and listen to a lot of local coverage. There was pre-season chatter that the team drafted Murray as a replacement for Felix if he falters again this season, either due to injury or ineffectiveness. They really liked him in the draft and brought him in with the idea of being a complete back, not just a 3rd down or situational player.
Barry
Footballguy
no idea but your question implies zero.?The reason I think a lot of RBs would've ripped the Rams last Sunday is because I saw the Dal OL work the Rams front pretty bad. They created a lot of daylight. Jones was averaging 1 yard more per carry than Murray before the ram game.
Barry
Footballguy
-I tend to agree with the others that Jones will make it a split.-cool I'll be taking an interest in your Cowboy thoughts.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Why did DeMarco Murrey get the first opportunity over Phillip Tanner?
If we're just talking Jones, then I see Murray as $ if his success continues at a high level(not as high of course, 250 is unreasonable to expect). In today's NFL, not only is a top RB a merchandise dream, but it helps with attracting free agents as well and can be a sincere building block.'Barry said:
sspunisher
Footballguy
Ignore all the Philip Tanner talk on these forums. He can play special teams and made the roster pretty much with 1 helmet-less run that wowed the owner. He probably wouldn't even be on the team if Sam Hurd was still there to play special teams. Hate to break down his whole outlook so negatively, but the Philip Tanner talk is out of control. Murray is more talented than Felix. Felix has no balance, on that 91 yard run that Murray had, if that were Felix... he would have stumbled on his own legs after juking the safety, then got up pounding the turf as if to say "almost had it." I've seen that way too much from Felix lately. It's hard to find a reason to give a healthy Felix the start over Murray, let alone Tanner.'gethugefast1 said:
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This is comical - are you missing the part where Murray went down untouched?
Phlash
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???
bill bates hits hard
Footballguy
What's your point? If he didn't fall down he would have over 300 yards and two touchdowns in the game. Guy ran all over the field he was beat. Love all the Felix owners in denial.
Doug B
Footballguy
CowboysGuys -- any chance that Tashard Choice gets close to completely closed out, leaving Murray and Jones with about 85-90% of the carries between them?
Looking at this from afar, not watching the Cowboys every week ... but it seems like Murray is now a lock to at least double up on Felix Jones' carries numbers going forward.
Looking at this from afar, not watching the Cowboys every week ... but it seems like Murray is now a lock to at least double up on Felix Jones' carries numbers going forward.
nysportsfan
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There was a run (long run, I think the 43 yarder?) Where he was beat and just simply went down rather taking more hits. I thought he could have gone for a few more but I think he was gassed. Unless I missed something else...
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Dought Man
Footballguy
Choice would appear to have zero role once FJones is back healthy.
I think there's a decent chance Choice is mostly left out once Felix is healthy again. I do not see Murray doubling up on Felix's carries though. The coaching staff seem intent on not loading up any one RB with too many carries. Murray's exhaustion late in the Rams game justifies their concern there.
sspunisher
Footballguy
He's a rookie who missed all OTAs in a lockout year, missed all of training camp due to injury, and had 20+ carries for 200+ yards on his legs when he went down at that moment in the 4th quarter. Maybe to you that's comical, but I see a player who's smart enough to protect the football because he knows he's gassed.
dboysrock94
Footballguy
Jason garrett stated that he will most likely not receive 25 carries again he said the league has transitioned to a multi back system and the days of emitt, smith receiving 30 carries a game for 16 games are over. I take this statement as it is gonna be a split backfield and we all know how jerry loves the aerial passing show
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
1. I wouldn't read too much into anything Garrett says; he's the new Parcells when it comes to coach speak and generalizations.2. Having said that, I do believe that the Cowboys game plan will never explicitly focus on feeding the ball to Murray, or any RB for that matter. The team is averaging 35 passes and 25 rushes a game (60 total plays); expect that to continue. I really believe a split of 12-15 carries for Murray, 5-8 for Jones and 3-5 for everyone else will be the norm going forward... if Murray continues to produce.
DoubleG
Footballguy
I think D. Murray has some decent talent. However, before people in this thread start annointing him the next ___________, two words: "Denarius Moore". Remember, D. Moore had one huge game and all of the sudden people thought they had the next TO or Moss. Like I said, I do think Murray is talented - but it was one game against a putrid defense (and an offense that couldn't stay on the field).
Unless you are completely strapped at RB, I'd see what you can get for him before he comes back down to earth and F. Jones come back - and Dallas isn't playing the Rams.
Unless you are completely strapped at RB, I'd see what you can get for him before he comes back down to earth and F. Jones come back - and Dallas isn't playing the Rams.
nyy45
Footballguy
The fact that he put Murray and Emmitt Smith in the same breath of comparison when talking about Murray is very encouraging if you think about it..
Dought Man
Footballguy
I would love to sell high on this guy, but no one is biting. Best I've been offered in return at WR is Percy Harvin. I don't think anyone is buying the hype on this guy.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Maybe they read all of your thoughts about him before last week and decided even you did not think that much of him.
Dought Man
Footballguy
My own worst enemy.. *kicks rock*
solorca
Footballguy
Probably because they read your predictions of 40 yards in every thread that even casually mentioned his name, and didn't even bother to check the real stats.
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
I can't agree with that comparison.Murray's situation right now has more inherent opportunity than Moore has had all season.
If/when Felix is healthy, things will change. But we'll have to wait and see how much they change.
solorca
Footballguy
I think that the big payday for Murray will be after the game against the Eagles, if he can put up big numbers again. Right now, he's a one week flash in the pan, but if he does it for a second week in a row, he becomes the hot commodity. I am historically bad about making the decision to sell high when I should, but I am going to try my best to do so if he goes off again this week. I think that a Murray/Felix package could have tremendous trade value.
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