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If you can get a #2 RB or #2 WR in exchange for Murray and you also own Felix I think you have to jump on it. I own both and would love to move Murray and either stash or dump Felix. When Felix comes back it will be a PITA trying to figure out which one to start on a weekly basis. I would start Murray over Felix but they really hurt each other in terms of value.
You guys are pretty sensitive. The guy I was responding to criticized Felix stating the difference between him and Murray is that Felix would give up on a play - even thought Murray did the exact same thing.I am not criticizing Murray - althought I don;t know if I have ever seen that before - I am criticizing the comment.'sspunisher said:
I never said he'd give up. I said he had no balance and would have stumbled on his own feet. Sure everyone stumbles, so did Murray a bunch of times. But Felix comes out of the tunnel stumbling.That "Runs to be tackled" line was absolutely a perfect description of Felix.
Yeah he dropped his pads and helmet and layed that rams guy out and busted out for 43y. Looks great. Excited.
What happened to him at the end of that run? It looks like he just falls on the ball to avoid being tackled. Was he gased? Did he get tripped up? (it's hard to tell on the video).
He already ran the equivalent of 2 1/2 football fields in that game. He was tired.
No disrespect but that's a bogus statement. I could maybe see him slowind down cause he's gassed but I don't know about taking a dive. I wonder about his conditioning.
Guy ran for 250+ and you are wondering about his conditioning?
same old crap from people... they did not grab the guy when everyone said to on waivers and now they are trying to make themselves feel better about it... the dude had a freaking awesome game and if i had to guess as to why he fell down it probably has something to do with the fact that the Cowboys were winning 27-7 and he did not need to risk getting tripped up in an awkward way between two defenders or losing a fumble, and chose to fall down on his own accord... in my opinion it was a very mature move for a rookie RB to make...
Just draw the line in the sand right now man haha. Are you a Felix owner? Razorback fan? Cowboys fan? I'm a Cowboys fan and most of us who are have been frustrated with the "temporary fixes" at RB ever since Emmitt left. I still can't believe Parcells passed over Steven Jackson and for a while we thought that was a good move b/c Julius Jones had an amazing 6 or 7 games, but that dream fizzled out pretty quick.
Why wouldn't you start both?
Holy cow, you gotta like this...I just invested in Murray in my main league, traded away CJ & Ingram. Murray is my No. 2 now and I mean that, gotta take risks.
This was a great post. This is exactly how I feel as a cowboy fan. This is what I've seen over the years.
I'm on board the Murray train (drafted him in 2 leagues this year), but taking a guy in the 3rd round of the NFL draft isn't what I'd call a bold move.
Not sure Murray would've broken out sooner, but I believe if he had been healthy during training camp, Murray would've had a lot more touches. I love this kid.Also, on a different but related subject, I think RBBC & all this sharing crap is simply a fad. It amazes me that teams are inthralled with something that doesn't help them, & in fact, hurts production on most teams, IMO. I have no doubt most every team will go back to a feature back system by 2015, if not sooner. Not saying this because it hurts FF production, but I've always believed you're just shooting yourself in the foot when you give an inferior RB touches (in most instances). Not just because of the simple fact that a lesser player is getting touches, but a timeshare takes away from the top RB because many times he never gets in a groove. There's definitely such a thing as getting a feel for cutback lanes & such. I don't mind a change of pace back or a 3rd down back so much, but when you don't give your best RB at least 70% of the touches, it hurts your offense in the long run.
Wow that's a big trade, I hope that was a redraft league and not a dynasty league. Ingram is all but worthless in redrafts, but CJ I'm still holding out hope for.I mean don't get me wrong I'm very high on Murray's ability, but he's in a very bad fantasy situation. The only thing he has going for him is that Felix is so injury prone. So whenever he has a 4-6 week injury, expect them to lean towards the 6 instead of the 4. That's just their way of giving Murray more touches without disrespecting Felix.
Well to me, the top 3 rounds of the NFL Draft usually consist of contributors. You don't take a RB in the 3rd round unless you're not happy with your RBs. But I get what you're saying. Boldish haha
I think it's going the other way. For one, these guys just can't take the pounding over the course of a season anymore - the collisions are becoming more and more brutal as everybody continues to get bigger and faster. Also with the rules favoring the passing game it makes sense to specialize your RBs more - it's tough to find one guy who's above average (or better) at everything. Also, it's cheaper to keep any one guy from amassing huge numbers and then needing to pay him a commensurate salary, it seems wiser to spend your money elsewhere on the roster. It seems like the teams at the top are basically treating their RBs like disposable razors and having success.
I'm sure my opinion is in the vast minority, but I'm convinced teams will start pulling away from RBBC. Teams are passing more than ever which will never change (unless NFL rules change, which I highly doubt) & there's no reason a RB can't handle the load in today's passing offenses.You might have a point about salaries, but that's not going to stop teams from doing what's best. It'll likely be a somewhat slow switch, but I believe it's going to happen. Plus, it's not like the good RBs aren't getting paid now. RBs, in general, tend to get the shaft because they're typically one of the easier positions to replace, which is all the more reason to go back to a feature back system.
Some mass hysteria in here. I am not stating that he's not a decent RB - and he may even prove to be good. My comments are more about the goofy comments than the player.but a very mature move for a rookie RB?
if its a short bench, then I dont blame him - they probably split when Felix gets back.someone just dropped Felix in my PPR dynasty league. I know Murray looks great but come on, dropping Felix??
262226272434Those are the number of rushing attempts the Cowboys have had in their first 6 games this year.Murray will get ~15-18 touches a game from here on out unless he shows the St. Louis games was a fluke and really regresses. Felix has had 3+ years to prove he can be the effective back the Cowboys need, but hasn't be able to break through. Murray did it in his first shot. He'll get the opportunity until he proves he doesn't deserve it. He wasn't drafted to be a 3rd down back or situational player. He was brought in to replace Felix if he faltered this year.
It is when you realize several things.1. The Boys wanted a running back so bad that as Ingram began to fall, they were trying to move up in the second round to draft him. The Saints found out and the rest is history.2. After #1 fell through the Boys set their eyes on Williams in the second and thought for sure he'd be there but no one expected the Cards to grab him.3. After #2 had taken place the Boys thought a healthy Murray in the 3rd would provide better value and fit their scheme better and was extremely happy when they picked him. Everyone thought they were crazy for drafting Murray most even thouoght there were other needs to be addressed. The Boys knew what they were doing, the rest of the world did not.Tex
lol at knew wat they were doing. sounds like they were desperate for a rb, any rb, just grab the highest ranked rb. looks like the luckboxed into the best of the bunch. imagine if they wasted some draft picks to grab cedric benson the 2nd.
If you were last in the league in rushing or even near the bottom you'd be desperate too.If you thought the one back in the draft who is compared to one of the greatest in the nfl and the best to ever where the star, you'd try to move up to get him too.If you think your #2 back on your board has value in the second round has been taken then your 2b back is still there in the third round, I.d say they knew what they were doing.Not desparate for any back just one of their Big 3 and it looks like it may pay off.
I've seen this alluded to several times & I might be able to help (I was at the game). Murray did go down on his own, but I believe he might've had a cramp which could've scared him into immediately collapsing thinking it was his hammy again. He went to the sidelines & they never looked at his hammy, which made me think it was a cramp. You could tell he wasn't stretching it out the last few steps or he would've been gone. Imagine adding the rest of that yardage to his totals.
That seems like the opposite of making a bold move to me. Making a bold move would have been trading up to make sure they got him or one of the 2 guys they liked better than him - not settling for your third option in the 3rd round.
If Murray turns out to be the goods, I'd call it a shrewd move, but not a bold one.
. If you watched the game last week, don't give me the bull on how hard he ran etc. Explain to me why he didn't gather more than just 3.5 yac in any other game. Does he only run hard against soft defenses? Don't tell me the guy was a BEAST at OU. There have been ton of beast players at every position that come into the NFL. The college game is completely different and no one should have to argue that point.Murray also have naked pictures of your wife?NYJ ~ Game 1 ~ ranked 15th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.2* Attempts : 2* Yards : 0* Average : 0SFO ~ Game 2 ~ ranked 5th in ypc through 6 weeks at 3.6* Attempts : 6* Yards : 21* Average : 3.5WAS~ Game 3 ~ ranked 22th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.6* Attempts : 2* Yards : 6* Average : 3DET ~ Game 4 ~ ranked 28th in ypc through 6 weeks at 5.0* Attempts : 4* Yards : 12* Average : 3NWE ~ Game 5 ~ ranked 16th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.3* Attempts : 10* Yards : 32* Average : 3.2STL ~ Game 6 ~ ranked 16th in ypc through 6 weeks at 5.5* Attempts : 25* Yards : 253* Average : 10.12
What do I see when I look at these numbers ?I see the Rams doing a league worst at all three of * Yards given up per game : 183* Yards given up per run on average : 5.5* Total yards given up on the season : 1103* Longest run given up on the season : 91If Murray has any talent than he should have posted good numbers. But look at every other team he's faced this year? I understand that it may have taken him a couple games to get used to NFL speed; I understand that this is a small sample size; I understand that in many of the games he didn't get many carries to get going. But across the board, whether it was a strong defense (SFO) or a softer run defense like the Lions, Murray didn't wow anyone. Someone who goes out and in his first real start breaks the record for rushing yards for the cowboys, set by Emmitt Smith, while every other matchup has posted nothing more than an average of 3.5, tells me there while be a regression toward the mean. I'm not yet excited about Murray but that may be because I don't like the cowboys.I'm not yet excited about Murray because he is the reason why I lost last week in Fantasy.Take these numbers and explanations with a grain of salt do to the above bias'. Pick him up if you have space on your fantasy roster. I would even get excited about him if I were a cowboy's fan. However, being those 3 I would not go as far as to mortgage the house or get hype on a message board.However, I do like to
outstanding post.NYJ ~ Game 1 ~ ranked 15th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.2* Attempts : 2* Yards : 0* Average : 0SFO ~ Game 2 ~ ranked 5th in ypc through 6 weeks at 3.6* Attempts : 6* Yards : 21* Average : 3.5WAS~ Game 3 ~ ranked 22th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.6* Attempts : 2* Yards : 6* Average : 3DET ~ Game 4 ~ ranked 28th in ypc through 6 weeks at 5.0* Attempts : 4* Yards : 12* Average : 3NWE ~ Game 5 ~ ranked 16th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.3* Attempts : 10* Yards : 32* Average : 3.2STL ~ Game 6 ~ ranked 16th in ypc through 6 weeks at 5.5* Attempts : 25* Yards : 253* Average : 10.12
What do I see when I look at these numbers ?I see the Rams doing a league worst at all three of * Yards given up per game : 183* Yards given up per run on average : 5.5* Total yards given up on the season : 1103* Longest run given up on the season : 91If Murray has any talent than he should have posted good numbers. But look at every other team he's faced this year? I understand that it may have taken him a couple games to get used to NFL speed; I understand that this is a small sample size; I understand that in many of the games he didn't get many carries to get going. But across the board, whether it was a strong defense (SFO) or a softer run defense like the Lions, Murray didn't wow anyone. Someone who goes out and in his first real start breaks the record for rushing yards for the cowboys, set by Emmitt Smith, while every other matchup has posted nothing more than an average of 3.5, tells me there while be a regression toward the mean. I'm not yet excited about Murray but that may be because I don't like the cowboys.I'm not yet excited about Murray because he is the reason why I lost last week in Fantasy.Take these numbers and explanations with a grain of salt do to the above bias'. Pick him up if you have space on your fantasy roster. I would even get excited about him if I were a cowboy's fan. However, being those 3 I would not go as far as to mortgage the house or get hype on a message board.However, I do like to
Logic? I guess...but using games where he got 2 or 3 or 4 carries as proof of anything is pretty short sighted.Yes, the Rams sucks...but he was phenomenal in that game (despite the stumble you went on about).He is a rookie...it takes time for rookies. The kid showed talent in college and will be given a chance at least this one more week.When its over, if he does well, I expect the same excuses. Its just philly's D, who couldn't have run against them...and so on.
I believe there is a post in this very thread that a 'Boys fan pointed out vs. the Patriots he was at 8-35, or something like that, then was given a couple carries late while the Cowboys still had the lead in an effort to milk more clock. Pats new what was coming and he got stuffed both times winding up at 10 for 32. It may have been a different thread, but I recall reading it on here someplace.No dog in this fight, as I don't care who thinks he/isn't all that. Just using that Pats game as an example to point out, you can't just look at a row of numbers and determine anything(good or bad. It's why you can't anoint him Barry f-ing Sanders after last week either). Game situation dictates a ton. Amount of opportunity dictates a ton. What'd he have coming into last weeks' game, 20 total career carries? 25? Plus a handful of catches? Can't remotely make an informed judgement off of that small of a sample size.
