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Demaryius Thomas (1 Viewer)

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Seems he is ready for his first start this weekend. On a team that is pass first he might bea good #3 starter in fantasy before long. I know he is a rookie but so is M Williams in TB and he already looked terriffic week 1. Theres a chance he was dropped or not drafted because of the foot injury. If you can wait a week and keep him on the bench this weekend , might be a good gamble. He was drafted to replace B Marshall and only has Brandon Lloyd in his way so he may be starting before long.

Rookie Demaryius Thomas was the second wide receiver taken in this year's draft and had some good fantasy prospects heading into the Denver Broncos' training camp. Unfortunately, re-aggravations of a February foot injury put his NFL impact on hold. For Thomas supporters, the good news is he has participated in every practice of the regular season with no setbacks. He was a game-day inactive for week one, but that's not the story in week two; Head coach Josh McDaniels is ready to unleash him. "I think he's had two good days of practice," McDaniels said Friday "As long as everything goes the way we hope it goes today, I think he'll be ready to roll. ... "We look forward to him playing on Sunday." The Broncos will host the Seattle Seahawks.

Demaryius Thomas, The NFL's Best Kept Secret

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/465698-...est-kept-secret

From Brandon Marshall, to Dez Bryant, to quarterback Tim Tebow, it seems like Denver Broncos rookie wide receiver Demaryius Thomas couldn't buy a headline from anyone this offseason.

Being overshadowed by Marshall is understandable enough, but I doubt people would really know without looking it up that Thomas was actually drafted ahead of both Bryant and Tebow back in April.

When the Broncos traded back multiple times in April's draft, I thought for sure they would snag Oklahoma State product Dez Bryant with the 23rd pick. After all, head coach Josh McDaniels had nothing but good things to say about Bryant in a pre-draft interview, and it appeared as though he would be a steal with the pick the Broncos had.

When they jumped in front of the Ravens and traded picks with the Patriots, I knew something was up.

When I read the Tweet saying the pick was Demaryius Thomas, I was stunned, to put it lightly. Why would the Broncos take Thomas over Bryant at this point in the draft? Bryant would have been an absolute bargain, and Thomas had been injured leading all the way up to the draft.

I went back to my draft evaluations, pondering the pick.

I looked at scouting reports of the two players, and tried to determine why the Broncos had taken the lesser known Thomas over the big name. It became very clear why Denver made Thomas the top receiver selected in the 2010 NFL Draft, and he's turned into one of the best kept secrets in the NFL

At Georgia Tech, Thomas had a career year in his junior season, catching 46 passes for 1,154 yards and eight touchdowns. For those not in the know, that's an average of over 25 yards per reception. What makes Thomas' production last year at Georgia Tech even more amazing?

The Yellow Jackets run the triple option as their offensive set.

It is heavily reliant upon having a running quarterback as well as a powerful running back. Wide receivers are most certainly not supposed to be productive in this type of offense.

As we saw with Calvin Johnson, Demaryius Thomas is simply a special player, and he made the most of his opportunities. Despite Tech averaging over 300 yards rushing per game, he was still able to put together a 1,000 yard season at the wide receiver position, and that is nothing short of stunning.

Still, there were questions surrounding Thomas. Would his foot be able to stay healthy? Would he be able to learn how to run NFL routes?

Some assets that Thomas possesses, coaches simply cannot teach at this level.

The first asset Thomas has that not many receivers have coming out of college is his fantastic blocking ability. Coming out of the triple option offense, Thomas was asked to block a lot, and he's well versed in that regard already, and that's one less thing coaches have to worry about.

Instead of coaching blocking, the Broncos can focus on making him a better receiver.

Another asset is his intelligence, and I'll tag humility along with it. To say Thomas grew up in a bad situation is putting it lightly. At the age of 13, Thomas' grandmother was sentenced to 40 years in jail for drug dealing, and his mother was sentenced 20 for being involved with it financially. Demaryius moved around with some of his relatives, first with his grandmother's youngest daughter. He finally settled in with his grandmother's oldest daughter and her husband who is a preacher.

Thomas said when he made the final move, he decided to start living his life the right way, and said that he became a Christian and vowed to always stick to his word. He said one of the things he told his mother was that someday, he would go pro in some professional sport, whether it was basketball or football. That promise was fulfilled when the Broncos selected Thomas with the 22nd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft.

I say Thomas has intelligence, and that is backed up with facts. Thomas had the 10th highest wonderlic score of any player at the NFL scouting combine with a score of 34, which is well above the average for a wide receiver. His humility is very easily detected in his demeanor. He is a quiet player who lets his play do the talking.

Another thing coaches can't teach? Speed.

Thomas reportedly was running a 40 yard dash in the 4.36-4.38 range prior to his foot injury. At 6'3" 229 pounds, the only other receivers in the NFL who might possess that kind of size/speed ratio are Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Calvin Johnson. It's almost unheard of.

 
Good post. :thumbdown: I'll be watching him this weekend to see what he can do. Hopefully his pro-style route-running has improved (area of weakness prior to the draft). He hasn't had a whole lot of practice time, but from what I've read and heard from Denver area reporters is that he has been electric in the limited time he has seen the field.

 
Good post. :goodposting: I'll be watching him this weekend to see what he can do. Hopefully his pro-style route-running has improved (area of weakness prior to the draft). He hasn't had a whole lot of practice time, but from what I've read and heard from Denver area reporters is that he has been electric in the limited time he has seen the field.
Understood, but how much could it really improve if he wasn't practicing?
 
The question is can McDaniels/Orton trust him to be in the right place at the right time? With all the time he's missed, I don't see how he's ready when you consider his pedigree. I hope for his sake, he proves me wrong. We'll be interesting to see how the depth chart shakes out. Lloyd has looked great, Royal seems to be the Eddie of old, and Gaffney is his dependable yet unspectacular self. We'll be a situation I watch closely on Sunday

 
Good post. :goodposting: I'll be watching him this weekend to see what he can do. Hopefully his pro-style route-running has improved (area of weakness prior to the draft). He hasn't had a whole lot of practice time, but from what I've read and heard from Denver area reporters is that he has been electric in the limited time he has seen the field.
Understood, but how much could it really improve if he wasn't practicing?
It's not so much learning to run routes, it's learning when to adjust routes to give the QB a lane or window of opportunity to get you the ball. A lot of young WRs played in basic formations in college and rarely understand the adjustments and adaptations that are needed in a pro-style offense. Learning how to beat press coverage or how to use their body to shield defenders, etc. It's all part of route-running. It will definitely be interesting to see if Thomas is ready or still needs work.
 
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Good post. :excited: I'll be watching him this weekend to see what he can do. Hopefully his pro-style route-running has improved (area of weakness prior to the draft). He hasn't had a whole lot of practice time, but from what I've read and heard from Denver area reporters is that he has been electric in the limited time he has seen the field.
Understood, but how much could it really improve if he wasn't practicing?
It's not so much learning to run routes, it's learning when to adjust routes to give the QB a lane or window of opportunity to get you the ball. A lot of young WRs played in basic formations in college and rarely understand the adjustments and adaptations that are needed in a pro-style offense. Learning how to beat press coverage or how to use their body to shield defenders, etc. It's all part of route-running. It will definitely be interesting to see if Thomas is ready or still needs work.
The love the kids long term outlook, I just dont see him making any fantasy impact this season. All the reasons you listed are reasons the guy needs to be on field practicing those things. He isn't going to learn to be an NFL WR in the film room. Repetiton is king. I see him scoring some big points on a deep go or post route, but this cat is still a year or two away from being a complete WR IMO.

 
Good post. :goodposting: I'll be watching him this weekend to see what he can do. Hopefully his pro-style route-running has improved (area of weakness prior to the draft). He hasn't had a whole lot of practice time, but from what I've read and heard from Denver area reporters is that he has been electric in the limited time he has seen the field.
Understood, but how much could it really improve if he wasn't practicing?
It's not so much learning to run routes, it's learning when to adjust routes to give the QB a lane or window of opportunity to get you the ball. A lot of young WRs played in basic formations in college and rarely understand the adjustments and adaptations that are needed in a pro-style offense. Learning how to beat press coverage or how to use their body to shield defenders, etc. It's all part of route-running. It will definitely be interesting to see if Thomas is ready or still needs work.
the reports say he's a smart kid. IIRC, WRs typically don't do so well on wonderlics. I suspect that he can learn faster than most...

per wikipedia

This assessment roughly corresponds to examples from Paul Zimmerman's The New Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Football. According to Zimmerman, examples of average scores for each position are:

Offensive tackle – 26

Center – 25

Quarterback – 24 (Most teams want at least 21 for a quarterback.)[3]

Guard – 23

Tight end – 22

Safety – 19

Linebacker – 19

Cornerback – 18

Wide receiver – 17

Fullback – 17

Halfback – 16
34 makes him smarter than the average QB by a long ways
 
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The issues for me, is not his route running, which I feel 100% that he will learn quickly. For me the issues are the foot, his coach, and his QB. Long term at least. This nagging foot injury could seriously hinder his career. Most likely, with appropriate medical treatment it will be fine, but there is always the chance that something as important as a foot can effect his entire career. Second, Im not a big fan of McDaniels, and while Thomas looks great in video and on paper, if I don't trust a coach , how can I trust his drafting fully? Dez Bryant looks like a star and he was passed over. Could this be similar to how Oakland has drafted the wrong WR way to early a few times in the past few years? Thirdly his QB. Neither Orton or Tebow have me salivating. While Marshall had success with Orton, I do not know if that means DThomas will. Thomas has the skills to get the ball all over the field, but will his QBs have the ability to get him the ball wherever he is?

Aside from that though, I do think he has the talent to be on the AJ, LF, CJ level.

 
Word from camp was this guy was the real deal until he aggravated his foot injury. His size/speed combo should cause defenses fits once he settles in and he has the deep play ability (Lloyd showed some flashes too) that the Broncos have lacked in a WR since maybe Ashley Lelie. I think he's going to be very good.

 
He is fast and some nice catches. Leading the team at half time in receptions and yards at half time . Orton is targeting and looking for him more then the the other wr's. Glad I didnt drop him . Hes not going to be a suprise by monday morning.

 
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Wow is all I can say. Forget that line about stashing him. Hes there #1 WR in his first game. 97 yards , 8 receptions and a TD. Hes probally a #2 fantasy WR alrady and will be a major if not top pickup this week.

 
In re-draft leagues, he's a top add this week. In dynasty of course, there's no way he's on the WW.

 
Crap I was waiting for next week to pick him up because I didn't know who to drop. In a 15 team league, he's so gone this weekend :-/

 
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Curious if anyone watched the Denver/Seattle game, and has an analysis of Thomas' performance and how he was used.

My concern is that both plays I saw him involved in, he was running a vertical route against man-up coverage. In one of the plays, his DB fell down and gave him the TD. I just didn't see enough to get a feel for how well he runs routes at the NFL level.

If he's going to push to be the #1 target in Denver, then D. Coordinators are going to be accounting for him. Usually the guys who keep producing at that point are the polished route runners.

 
Interesting writeup at the Denver Post.

Takeaways:

[*]In his first drive... he caught a screen to convert a 3rd and long, a 20 yard in-route and a few go's.

[*]Brandon Lloyd got the start... Thomas' "fun started with 3:19 left in the first half".

[*]Thomas went back to the bench for much of the 3rd quarter.

So... nice to see him in on some variety of plays. Nice to see them calling a screen for him... trying to get the ball into an athlete's hands and let him make a play.

However... he was apparently on the bench for almost half the game, and made his 8 catches on roughly 2 drives. Hard to rely on a fantasy WR who isn't playing most of the offensive series. OTOH, if he's that productive in limited time, you'd think he'll be seeing more opportunities.

 
Interesting writeup at the Denver Post.

Takeaways:

[*]In his first drive... he caught a screen to convert a 3rd and long, a 20 yard in-route and a few go's.

[*]Brandon Lloyd got the start... Thomas' "fun started with 3:19 left in the first half".

[*]Thomas went back to the bench for much of the 3rd quarter.

So... nice to see him in on some variety of plays. Nice to see them calling a screen for him... trying to get the ball into an athlete's hands and let him make a play.

However... he was apparently on the bench for almost half the game, and made his 8 catches on roughly 2 drives. Hard to rely on a fantasy WR who isn't playing most of the offensive series. OTOH, if he's that productive in limited time, you'd think he'll be seeing more opportunities.
Brandon Lloyd is terrible. It isn't going to be much longer for a role reversal
 
I re-watched each catch Demaryius had. I think his biggest attribute is his size/speed combination. He is the same size as Vernon Davis minus about 20-25 lbs, yet he has great speed, especially after the catch. The announcer of the game said he is the fastest WR on the team. For him to have that size with that speed is impressive.

He made plays down the sideline in coverage, darting inside to give Orton a passing lane and he lined up as flanker and caught a pass over the middle. I can see Denver using him all over the field, much like how they utilized Marshall. We'll know more next week. He should be a big target against the Colts with plenty of pass plays in store. Being a home game will be better for him. One other thing I liked - when he scored the TD, it looked like the entire team came out to congratulate him afterwards. He is a big favorite among his teammates, that's for sure.

 
Oh, check out the delightful playoff schedule.

W14 - @ Arizona

W15 - @ Oakland (might draw Nnamdi though :( )

W16 - vs. Houston

W17 - vs. San Diego

Some possible shootouts there. :shrug:

 
Curious if anyone watched the Denver/Seattle game, and has an analysis of Thomas' performance and how he was used.

My concern is that both plays I saw him involved in, he was running a vertical route against man-up coverage. In one of the plays, his DB fell down and gave him the TD. I just didn't see enough to get a feel for how well he runs routes at the NFL level.

If he's going to push to be the #1 target in Denver, then D. Coordinators are going to be accounting for him. Usually the guys who keep producing at that point are the polished route runners.
Interesting writeup at the Denver Post.

Takeaways:

[*]In his first drive... he caught a screen to convert a 3rd and long, a 20 yard in-route and a few go's.

[*]Brandon Lloyd got the start... Thomas' "fun started with 3:19 left in the first half".

[*]Thomas went back to the bench for much of the 3rd quarter.

So... nice to see him in on some variety of plays. Nice to see them calling a screen for him... trying to get the ball into an athlete's hands and let him make a play.

However... he was apparently on the bench for almost half the game, and made his 8 catches on roughly 2 drives. Hard to rely on a fantasy WR who isn't playing most of the offensive series. OTOH, if he's that productive in limited time, you'd think he'll be seeing more opportunities.
:P
 
If you have guys liek Crabtree or Lee Evans, is it time to look at Thomas?

Heplays Indy this week.

 
If you have guys liek Crabtree or Lee Evans, is it time to look at Thomas?Heplays Indy this week.
Yes, I scooped him up this morning. I need to see at least two solid games before I start him.
 
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If you have guys liek Crabtree or Lee Evans, is it time to look at Thomas?Heplays Indy this week.
Thomas is an easy start over 2 guys who are guaranteed to suck this year. Evans due to situation and Crabtree because he looks completely lost.
 
Im not sure that given the current state of how Orton spreads it around if he will be a consistent enough starter for you, even less so in PPR leagues.

Lloyd and Gaffney, Royal, Decker , Dem Thomas. Messy.

 
Im not sure that given the current state of how Orton spreads it around if he will be a consistent enough starter for you, even less so in PPR leagues.Lloyd and Gaffney, Royal, Decker , Dem Thomas. Messy.
Royal is looking like a PPR bargain and he's the one from this group who I think has established himself as somewhat consistent. The introduction of Thomas I think only widens the middle for him. With an average TE and I think a struggling running game I think short routes to Royal are going to be very popular this year.
 
Im not sure that given the current state of how Orton spreads it around if he will be a consistent enough starter for you, even less so in PPR leagues.Lloyd and Gaffney, Royal, Decker , Dem Thomas. Messy.
Denvers only playmaker is Moreno, and the only one who has a shot like that to become another is Thomas. Playmakers make plays. Gaffney and Royal may get thiers but they are far from studs..., Decker? Lloyd? really?they need someone to replace Marshalls ability and presence bad, Lloyd will never do or be that.Decker, meh, not sold on him in the slightest.DThomas is a super sleeper and has a sweet schedule and was a high draft pick, so he will get a shot, riddle me this....If his foot was not an issue, would he even of be on the wire?
 
Im not sure that given the current state of how Orton spreads it around if he will be a consistent enough starter for you, even less so in PPR leagues.Lloyd and Gaffney, Royal, Decker , Dem Thomas. Messy.
Denvers only playmaker is Moreno, and the only one who has a shot like that to become another is Thomas. Playmakers make plays. Gaffney and Royal may get thiers but they are far from studs..., Decker? Lloyd? really?they need someone to replace Marshalls ability and presence bad, Lloyd will never do or be that.Decker, meh, not sold on him in the slightest.DThomas is a super sleeper and has a sweet schedule and was a high draft pick, so he will get a shot, riddle me this....If his foot was not an issue, would he even of be on the wire?
of course not because he would have flashed what he did in his very first game during the preseason.this guy is a humongous monster who has already demonstrated chemistry with the qb in a mcdaniels offense which could very easily become highflying. yes please.
 
This kid is electric. Pretty amazing performance considering his limited practice time and game action leading up to Sunday's game. For a guy who most draftniks considered "raw", "a project", and "a few years from being a difference maker," he looked pretty damn good. I was amazed by how fast his combine speed translated to game situations. On his first reception, the little bubble screen, he looked like the fastest guy on the field and it didn't look close--not just fast, but extremely quick. Given this kid's attitude, his high Wonderlic score which was posted earlier, and his very rare size/speed combo, I'm starting to be happy that Denver took him over Dez. I think he's going to be very special.

 
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#1 WW worthy?What says you guys?
I'm putting more blind bid $$$ on him than I put towards Brandon Jackson.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to use my #1 WW on him as well. Pretty much all the good backup RBs are handcuffed by the owners in my league anyway.And before someone replies with, "Riveting story," I'm saying so to give others with a high WW priority an idea of what others are doing. :goodposting:
 

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