Democratic VP candidates - Kamala Harris Is The Choice (1 Viewer)

[Leroy Hoard]

I said it would probably be a women, article itself is just someone's opinion. Nobody says you have to agree with it.

 

[zftcg]

I said it would probably be a women, article itself is just someone's opinion. Nobody says you have to agree with it.

Eh, I wasn't picking on you. I know you just linked to it because it included the odds. I was making the point that we see a lot of that blinkered thinking around VPs (she'll "deliver the state").

I remember seeing some study a few years back that evaluated the last time a running mate could plausibly be said to have delivered a state, and it was a really long time ago. I think it even said the famous example of LBJ delivering Texas for JFK was probably untrue, since at that point the South was still solidly Democratic.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It really is the last piece of the puzzle. Primaries will eventually cement it as Trump/Pence vs. Biden/tba. I'm sure Biden & company will do what their version of the numbers tell them to do.

 

[parasaurolophus]

He'd just keep calling him Fidel.

This is probably a legit concern among his staffers. 

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Katie Porter -- make this happen

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Katie Porter -- make this happen

I like her, but she is a terrible strategic choice. 

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I like her, but she is a terrible strategic choice. 

Really?  Explain to me why you think that.

 

[supermike80]

Gretchen Whitmer

Corey Booker

 

[zftcg]

Really?  Explain to me why you think that.

Can't speak for Drunken Cowboy, but I think she'd be a bad choice because she's a freshman Congresswoman, and as smart as she is, I'm not sure she passes the plausibility test.

I don't care that she's from a blue state. I do care a little that she's from a swing district and I'd rather not see the Dems put it back in play. But mostly it's her lack of experience.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Can't speak for Drunken Cowboy, but I think she'd be a bad choice because she's a freshman Congresswoman, and as smart as she is, I'm not sure she passes the plausibility test.

I don't care that she's from a blue state. I do care a little that she's from a swing district and I'd rather not see the Dems put it back in play. But mostly it's her lack of experience.

I can see that, but I also think that there just aren't any candidates that check off every box of what we're looking for.  For me she checks off some of the most important ones -- I think she would be a hit with both suburban moms and progressives.  She grew up on a farm in Iowa.  And she was able to flip a red district.  I don't see anyone out there with more experience that can check those boxes.

 

[supermike80]

Really?  Explain to me why you think that.

She's not attractive at all.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

She's not attractive at all.

She's not as hot as Trump or Biden, that's for sure.

ETA:  I think her looks could actually be an asset, because Trump probably would go there, and that would drive more women to the polls.

 

[supermike80]

She's not as hot as Trump or Biden, that's for sure.

ETA:  I think her looks could actually be an asset, because Trump probably would go there, and that would drive more women to the polls.

Looks don't matter with men.   

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Katie Porter -- make this happen

I've been on the bandwagon for a while (1, 2, 3) but without considering Veep as a stepping stone.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I've been on the bandwagon for a while (1, 2, 3) but without considering Veep as a stepping stone.

 

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I've been on the bandwagon for a while (1, 2, 3) but without considering Veep as a stepping stone.

I could get on board with her running in 2024 even, but she currently doesn't have the experience to be considered for VP

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Can't speak for Drunken Cowboy, but I think she'd be a bad choice because she's a freshman Congresswoman, and as smart as she is, I'm not sure she passes the plausibility test.

I don't care that she's from a blue state. I do care a little that she's from a swing district and I'd rather not see the Dems put it back in play. But mostly it's her lack of experience.

Yeah, pretty much this, but also Biden is trying to stake the center lane. I can't imagine him picking someone who will make waves.

 

[krista4]

Have we considered Val Demings yet?

 

[beef]

Have we considered Val Demings yet?

Limited experience, maybe?  I was impressed by her during the Impeachment hearings.  She's tough.  

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Have we considered Val Demings yet?

Generally serving the house is not a resume to be president. I don't think she has much name recognition either. 

However I am not sure how she is viewed in Florida. If she is popular enough to be an asset there, that could make her a viable candidate. 

I really don't know her policy positions. 

 

[beef]

Lt. General (ret.) Nadja West, Ursula Burns, Melinda Gates

 

[The General]

Some good names in here. I do think with his advanced age he has to pick someone with big stage experience. Think it’s Kamala.

Klobacher or Gretchen Whitmer the other choices. 

 

[KiddLattimer]

Some good names in here. I do think with his advanced age he has to pick someone with big stage experience. Think it’s Kamala.

Klobacher or Gretchen Whitmer the other choices. 

I agree, probably Kamala unless they want to make a gesture to the left with Warren. 

 

[Da Guru]

Some good names in here. I do think with his advanced age he has to pick someone with big stage experience. Think it’s Kamala.

Klobacher or Gretchen Whitmer the other choices. 

Amy would be good.  Not Whitmer.

 

[zftcg]

Amy would be good.  Not Whitmer.

I'm not super excited by either, but curious what your concern is about Whitmer. Don't know a ton about her. I assume you live in Michigan?

 

[KiddLattimer]

VP talk could intensify with Harris-DNC fundraising deal

 

[hooter311]

Opinions from a conservative gambler:

I went back and reviewed the selection processes for both parties going back to the 80's.  Rarely, if ever did the party show their hands this early where the favorites played out. 

2016 Bovada Democrat VP  5/5/2016

Castro +200

Warren +400

Kaine +600

July 6, 2016 and Pence hadn't even been given odds yet as VP.

Hooter's latest VP nomination confidence/value rankings.

1) Michelle Obama +2100  (Not a peep about it makes me even more suspicious, but not sure if she has the ambition.  This scenario has actually been giving me nightmares the last ew evenings and I trust my gut.

2) Cortez Masto +2100  (Hispanic with a similar or better resume than Harris)

3) Klobuchar +335 (Should be the true favorite, rumor has it she is a tyrant to staff)

4) Whitmer +660  (Let's pray COVID19 isn't still the storyline controlling everything, but she would be the hot hand.  Could also end up being the Democratic equivalent to Palin.)

5) Baldwin +7500  (Things could get crazy and it might come down to strategy)

Don't think it will be either:

Kamala Harris (I think she is working this hard helping Biden because she wants the next Supreme Court Seat, and you really are going to bring a liberal from California to an election relying on winning over Midwest swing states)

Elizabeth Warren (I think her preferred path is senate majority leader or a stronger campaign run in 2024)

 

[supermike80]

If he picks Kamala hes dead.  Remember the idea is to capture votes OUTSIDE of the democratic party.  Kamala doesnt do that.  

Remember...

The democratic party proved they arent interested in diversity or inclusion.  And this is the supposed party of diversity and inclusion.   The other side is less likely to embrace diversity and are not interested in a black woman being that close to the top spot in the country.  Same reason Pete B. Had no chance.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Whitmer at +660 is interesting. Home state not totally enthralled with her somewhat strict lockdowns. Might be a good time for her to bail, but then again Michigan is the ultimate swing state based on the 2016 result.

 

[zoonation]

I could get on board with her running in 2024 even, but she currently doesn't have the experience to be considered for VP

There is a malignant narcissist reality tv guy in the White House.  Experience no longer required. 

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Opinions from a conservative gambler:

I went back and reviewed the selection processes for both parties going back to the 80's.  Rarely, if ever did the party show their hands this early where the favorites played out. 

2016 Bovada Democrat VP  5/5/2016

Castro +200

Warren +400

Kaine +600

July 6, 2016 and Pence hadn't even been given odds yet as VP.

Hooter's latest VP nomination confidence/value rankings.

1) Michelle Obama +2100  (Not a peep about it makes me even more suspicious, but not sure if she has the ambition.  This scenario has actually been giving me nightmares the last ew evenings and I trust my gut.

2) Cortez Masto +2100  (Hispanic with a similar or better resume than Harris)

3) Klobuchar +335 (Should be the true favorite, rumor has it she is a tyrant to staff)

4) Whitmer +660  (Let's pray COVID19 isn't still the storyline controlling everything, but she would be the hot hand.  Could also end up being the Democratic equivalent to Palin.)

5) Baldwin +7500  (Things could get crazy and it might come down to strategy)

Don't think it will be either:

Kamala Harris (I think she is working this hard helping Biden because she wants the next Supreme Court Seat, and you really are going to bring a liberal from California to an election relying on winning over Midwest swing states)

Elizabeth Warren (I think her preferred path is senate majority leader or a stronger campaign run in 2024)

I think Harris might be an interesting AG candidate. 

 

[pollardsvision]

Opinions from a conservative gambler:

I went back and reviewed the selection processes for both parties going back to the 80's.  Rarely, if ever did the party show their hands this early where the favorites played out. 

2016 Bovada Democrat VP  5/5/2016

Castro +200

Warren +400

Kaine +600

July 6, 2016 and Pence hadn't even been given odds yet as VP.

Hooter's latest VP nomination confidence/value rankings.

1) Michelle Obama +2100  (Not a peep about it makes me even more suspicious, but not sure if she has the ambition.  This scenario has actually been giving me nightmares the last ew evenings and I trust my gut.

2) Cortez Masto +2100  (Hispanic with a similar or better resume than Harris)

3) Klobuchar +335 (Should be the true favorite, rumor has it she is a tyrant to staff)

4) Whitmer +660  (Let's pray COVID19 isn't still the storyline controlling everything, but she would be the hot hand.  Could also end up being the Democratic equivalent to Palin.)

5) Baldwin +7500  (Things could get crazy and it might come down to strategy)

Don't think it will be either:

Kamala Harris (I think she is working this hard helping Biden because she wants the next Supreme Court Seat, and you really are going to bring a liberal from California to an election relying on winning over Midwest swing states)

Elizabeth Warren (I think her preferred path is senate majority leader or a stronger campaign run in 2024)

I don't think Warren is most likely, but I could see it.

Our country very rarely goes for a progressive agenda, except in times of absolute crisis. Obviously, this fits. 

I think Warren would be a pretty good pick. At the top of the ticket, she'd be pretty risky. But as a bonafide progressive at a time when progressive ideas might fly much better than they would've a few months ago. She could help drive progressive turnout, and Biden is perfectly suited to cover her weaknesses. 

Most importantly, she's accomplished and highly competent. With a 500 year old candidate that often doesn't seem like he knows the day of the week, that matters.

Klobuchar seems to the "experienced choice" favorite (as she should be), but I think Warren is just a stronger candidate overall. She'd bring a lot to the table.

 

[KiddLattimer]

1) Michelle Obama +2100  (Not a peep about it makes me even more suspicious, but not sure if she has the ambition.  This scenario has actually been giving me nightmares the last ew evenings and I trust my gut.

Biden might be the only person who could pull this one off, but if he does he'd be a lock to win. She's just too popular.

Personally I hope it's Tulsi Gabbard just for the trolling opportunities 

 

[ShamrockPride]

Biden might be the only person who could pull this one off, but if he does he'd be a lock to win. She's just too popular.

Personally I hope it's Tulsi Gabbard just for the trolling opportunities 

I'd hope it's this just so I could see MT's head explode.

 

[KiddLattimer]

I'd hope it's this just so I could see MT's head explode.

I have a few family members who would absolutely lose their #### and it would be glorious

 

[Da Guru]

Whitmer at +660 is interesting. Home state not totally enthralled with her somewhat strict lockdowns. Might be a good time for her to bail, but then again Michigan is the ultimate swing state based on the 2016 result.

Giving what is going on in the state and her Trump like pressers where she is unprepared and won`t answer certain questions often using the "check the state website when she does not want to answer"

Whitmer will be a one and done governor.

Whitmer says "Stay Home, stay safe"    You can`t buy paint to paint your home during this lockdown, seeds to plant for garden, flowers or mulch at Home Depot, but you can go to every liquor store every day and buy lottery tickets and booze that support the state.   Whitmer closed everything but allowed the casinos to stay open as they fund the state, after taking serious heat she eventually closed them.  Then during this crisis she has a radio ad that says.  "To make it easier to buy lottery tickets we have created a website to buy lottery online"  This is while the Michigan unemployment website has crashed everyday or been unavailable to people trying to access it.

Whitmer came from a very wealthy family and has the career politician mentality.

 

[sho nuff]

If he picks Kamala hes dead.  Remember the idea is to capture votes OUTSIDE of the democratic party.  Kamala doesnt do that.  

Remember...

The democratic party proved they arent interested in diversity or inclusion.  And this is the supposed party of diversity and inclusion.   The other side is less likely to embrace diversity and are not interested in a black woman being that close to the top spot in the country.  Same reason Pete B. Had no chance.

The first bolded...no, that has not been proven at all.  The voters saw Biden as the choice...that does not mean they proved they were not interested in diversity. 

The second bolded...you think people are going to be motivated by that and select Trump that were not already going to vote for him anyway?

Also...I don't think the overall point is to capture voters outside the party...I think Biden does some of that on his own before more centrist.  For him, it may very well be to captures the left side of the party that is unsure about him and would stay home...to energize the base more than someone like Hillary did.  That isn't to say I believe Kamala is the favorite...but i think her appeal is to make sure they energize the party.  Id definitely prefer another candidate.

 

[Sinn Fein]

What do we know about Michelle Grisham - Governor of New Mexico?

I don't really know anything other than the basics - Female, Hispanic, experience as Governor and in Congress.  But, those are a lot of boxes ticked for a VP choice.

 

[Da Guru]

The first bolded...no, that has not been proven at all.  The voters saw Biden as the choice...that does not mean they proved they were not interested in diversity. 

The second bolded...you think people are going to be motivated by that and select Trump that were not already going to vote for him anyway?

Also...I don't think the overall point is to capture voters outside the party...I think Biden does some of that on his own before more centrist.  For him, it may very well be to captures the left side of the party that is unsure about him and would stay home...to energize the base more than someone like Hillary did.  That isn't to say I believe Kamala is the favorite...but i think her appeal is to make sure they energize the party.  Id definitely prefer another candidate.

Tulsi is a minority female and she gets no mention?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Tulsi is a minority female and she gets no mention?

Why should she?  

 

[Da Guru]

Why should she?  

Why would Whitmer or Harris?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Why would Whitmer or Harris?

They are probably on a short-list of people who are being vetted for VP.

 

[sho nuff]

Tulsi is a minority female and she gets no mention?

Mention for what? In my post...I only talked about Kamala in responding to what he was saying.

Overall?  Because like Sinn said she likely wouldn't be a candidate with Joe to be VP.

 

[Sinn Fein]

The VP choice is unlikely to be transformative - other than being female.  Its not going to be someone who court controversy, or is likely to overshadow Biden on the campaign trail - whatever that looks like.

I think the person will be female, with government experience, and is someone with whom Biden can get along with - ideologically.  In an ideal world, the person will have some executive experience - either Governor, or Obama Administration Secretary.  Legislative experience would be a plus - but Biden has that covered in negotiations with Congress.

 

[timschochet]

Abrams or Harris. 

 

[timschochet]

Tulsi is a minority female and she gets no mention?

She’d rather be Assad’s VP. 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Giving what is going on in the state and her Trump like pressers where she is unprepared and won`t answer certain questions often using the "check the state website when she does not want to answer"

Whitmer will be a one and done governor.

Whitmer says "Stay Home, stay safe"    You can`t buy paint to paint your home during this lockdown, seeds to plant for garden, flowers or mulch at Home Depot, but you can go to every liquor store every day and buy lottery tickets and booze that support the state.   Whitmer closed everything but allowed the casinos to stay open as they fund the state, after taking serious heat she eventually closed them.  Then during this crisis she has a radio ad that says.  "To make it easier to buy lottery tickets we have created a website to buy lottery online"  This is while the Michigan unemployment website has crashed everyday or been unavailable to people trying to access it.

Whitmer came from a very wealthy family and has the career politician mentality.

So even though Michigan is a key swing state that barely went Trump last time, you think Biden won't choose her because of all this?

 

[Da Guru]

So even though Michigan is a key swing state that barely went Trump last time, you think Biden won't choose her because of all this?

I don`t want him to choose Whitmer only because Biden might not make it through his first term and Whitmer has no business being second in command.  I have watched every one of her pressers during this crisis.   The only time she comes off well is when no questions are allowed.  When she is questioned she comes off woefully unprepared.

Hillary basically ignored Michigan in 2016 while Trump was here all the time and toward the end came here 2-3 times the last week with huge rallies.  Even then he only won by 10K votes and the main reason was registered Dem voters did not turn out to vote for Hillary in Wayne county like the did for Obama.   If Dem voters turned out Hillary would have easily won Michigan.  Hillary did not excite the base and that is why Trump won Michigan.

Right now Whitmer might hurt Biden in Michigan.

 

[supermike80]

The first bolded...no, that has not been proven at all.  The voters saw Biden as the choice...that does not mean they proved they were not interested in diversity. 

The second bolded...you think people are going to be motivated by that and select Trump that were not already going to vote for him anyway?

Also...I don't think the overall point is to capture voters outside the party...I think Biden does some of that on his own before more centrist.  For him, it may very well be to captures the left side of the party that is unsure about him and would stay home...to energize the base more than someone like Hillary did.  That isn't to say I believe Kamala is the favorite...but i think her appeal is to make sure they energize the party.  Id definitely prefer another candidate.

Your opinion is noted.  I disagree however

 

[the moops]

Right now Whitmer might hurt Biden in Michigan.

Pre-pandemic, Whitmer had a 42% approval rating. She now has a 66% approval rating.