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Denarius Moore going forward (1 Viewer)

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Wonder what you're guys thoughts are on Moore going forward. After a very promising rookie year, Moore disappointed last year. He struggled to get on the field at times, and faded down the stretch. That was with a strong armed QB that is not afraid to put the ball in harm's way. Now with Flynn, I think Moore could struggle further in a passing attack that will largely be centered around the short to intermediate range. Moore's strength is obviously as a vertical presence, and I'm not sure Flynn is the type of QB that will play to that strength. Are you guys buying or selling Moore at this point?

 
Wonder what you're guys thoughts are on Moore going forward. After a very promising rookie year, Moore disappointed last year. He struggled to get on the field at times, and faded down the stretch. That was with a strong armed QB that is not afraid to put the ball in harm's way. Now with Flynn, I think Moore could struggle further in a passing attack that will largely be centered around the short to intermediate range. Moore's strength is obviously as a vertical presence, and I'm not sure Flynn is the type of QB that will play to that strength. Are you guys buying or selling Moore at this point?
Moore had more receptions, receiving yards, receiving yards per game, and touchdowns in 2012 than he did in 2011. With DHB and Myers gone, Moore is the undisputed #1 receiving option in Oakland.

 
Wonder what you're guys thoughts are on Moore going forward. After a very promising rookie year, Moore disappointed last year. He struggled to get on the field at times, and faded down the stretch. That was with a strong armed QB that is not afraid to put the ball in harm's way. Now with Flynn, I think Moore could struggle further in a passing attack that will largely be centered around the short to intermediate range. Moore's strength is obviously as a vertical presence, and I'm not sure Flynn is the type of QB that will play to that strength. Are you guys buying or selling Moore at this point?
Moore had more receptions, receiving yards, receiving yards per game, and touchdowns in 2012 than he did in 2011. With DHB and Myers gone, Moore is the undisputed #1 receiving option in Oakland.
Concur. I think that he's one of the better value plays at WR this offseason, as he seems to be largely under the radar. I'm buying in dynasty wherever I can.

 
He is definitely flying under the radar. Since he's my 4th or 5th WR in a lot of dynasty leagues, I've tried to pair him with another player to upgrade at certain positions. Finding most don't value him at all right now. Short term memories I guess. A better buy than sell it seems.

 
If Palmer was so strong armed and fearless why did Myers and Streater get so many receptions. Most of Oakland's passing points came when they were down double digits in the 2nd half, and Palmer took dump offs that were open as teams played prevent. Flynn's arm is weaker, I'm not arguing that, but I think he can be a more aggressive QB, Obviously in Flynn's "Volek moment" against Det in 2011 he didn't have any problem moving the offense and connecting on big plays. Given his ADP in the low 100s I do think he's a strong value. Streater's a good value in the 180s as well.

 
Am I crazy for liking Streater as much as Moore? Streater seemed pretty decent for a raw rookie, and if he grows he could end up being a good, dependable outlet for Flynn.

 
Wonder what you're guys thoughts are on Moore going forward. After a very promising rookie year, Moore disappointed last year. He struggled to get on the field at times, and faded down the stretch. That was with a strong armed QB that is not afraid to put the ball in harm's way. Now with Flynn, I think Moore could struggle further in a passing attack that will largely be centered around the short to intermediate range. Moore's strength is obviously as a vertical presence, and I'm not sure Flynn is the type of QB that will play to that strength. Are you guys buying or selling Moore at this point?
Moore had more receptions, receiving yards, receiving yards per game, and touchdowns in 2012 than he did in 2011. With DHB and Myers gone, Moore is the undisputed #1 receiving option in Oakland.
I don't disagree with this; however, I am also a touch concerned with how much his play dropped off towards the end of the season last year. Oakland should be a pretty bad team this year, so there will be a lot of opportunities for passing yards and garbage time TDs this year. Hopefully he can get on the same page with his new QB quickly during training camp.

 
So what would you guys give up for Moore in a dynasty league? Right now I'm currently trying to sell him for at worst a first round rookie.

 
So what would you guys give up for Moore in a dynasty league? Right now I'm currently trying to sell him for at worst a first round rookie.
You're trying to sell him for a 1st rndr? The only way I'd trade him for a 1st rndr is if it was one of the first 3-4 picks.

  • He was claimed as having great talent by Waldman.
  • Other than minor injuries he performed well as a youngster.
  • I believe concerns about Flynn's arm are are over-rated.
  • He's now developed for a couple years.
I see no reason to sell low for a low 1st in a suspect draft class -- if anything I see reason to buy given that he's under valued..

 
  • He was claimed as having great talent by Waldman.
I respect Waldman a lot, but he doesn't get credit for this one. He ranked Moore WR#24 in his class. He had Cameron Kenney, Niles Paul, Dane Sanzenbacher, etc. higher. He did evaluate that Moore has great speed/separation, but he did not predict success or specifically early success from him. He said he was a worse version of Bernard Berrian.

 
I really am not sold on Moore. He received 113 targets last year but only caught 51 of those. That is pathetic. Palmer may have partly been to blame but Palmer did complete 61% of his passes.

The year before Moore had 76 targets but only caught 33 of them.

Maybe Moore is just not that good.

 
This is an article from June 2012 that I remembered reading:

Is Denarius Moore the next Greg Jennings?

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

Earlier this week, Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. gave his thoughts in an Insider piece on who he thinks will be the best receivers in the NFL

Williamson thinks Oakland receiver Denarius Moore, a fifth-round pick in 2011, will be the best receiver in the division in three years.

What struck me when Williamson explained why he thinks Moore will be the 11th-best receiver in the NFL in 2015 was his comparison of Moore to Green Bay receiver Greg Jennings; Williamson thinks Moore can have the same type of role in Oakland that Jennings has in the Packers’ offense.

Jennings has been one of the more reliable receivers in the NFL for the past few years. I asked Williamson why Moore reminds him of Jennings and this is what he had to say:

“Their size/movement skills, their ability hit the home run deep downfield and that they can both nickel-and-dime a defense with underneath routes.”

Moore was a preseason star last year and ended up with 33 catches in his rookie turn out of Tennessee, with several big plays. He certainly looks like a potential star for the Raiders. Williamson is confident Moore will emerge as a star in the middle of the decade.

“I think he is just dripping with talent,” Williamson said. “He is already a big-time deep threat, who is very smooth and explosive with all of his movements. If/when he refines his game, and he doesn’t have a ton to do, I think he could have a similar career path as Jennings, but his quarterback situation obviously isn’t as strong.”

 
Camp reports are going to be huge for me in trying to figure out if Moore or Streater is the guy to have. At this point, I'm writing off Ford because he is SO injury prone, but his presence will muddy things until he gets hurt again. Criner is there, too, but I think it's going to be either Moore or Streater leading the Raiders in receptions, but I'm not sure which. I think both represent great value, as mentioned above.

 
I was trying to sell him, but the best offer has been for the 11th overall rookie pick... are you really getting a better player than Moore at that point? After a certain point I think you are better off to keep him and see what you have in 2013

 
Camp reports are going to be huge for me in trying to figure out if Moore or Streater is the guy to have. At this point, I'm writing off Ford because he is SO injury prone, but his presence will muddy things until he gets hurt again. Criner is there, too, but I think it's going to be either Moore or Streater leading the Raiders in receptions, but I'm not sure which. I think both represent great value, as mentioned above.
I agree that it is too hard to say at the moment, and this will be one of the camp and preseason situations to watch, but here is what it looks like at the moment:

Raiders have big hopes for Rod Streater

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

The Oakland Raiders’ roster is getting younger as the team rebuilds and tries to find the right pieces for the future.

One of those players may be second-year receiver Rod Streater. He opened eyes last season as an undrafted rookie from Temple. A raw player in college, Streater impressed Oakland from minicamps on. He finished his first NFL season with 39 catches.

With Darrius Heyward-Bey released because of salary-cap issues and Jacoby Ford coming off a foot injury, Streater has a chance to start alongside Denarius Moore. Oakland coach Dennis Allen said recently he hopes Streater continues to make strides.

“I want to see him start where he left off, but I want to see continued improvement,” Allen said. “I think the guy's got talent. I think he's a good route-runner. I think he's got good ball skills. I think he'll go up and attack the ball. I think he's a tough kid. I think he believes in a lot of the things I'm looking for in a football player.”

As Oakland rebuilds, Streater has a chance to show he can help the team not only in the immediate future, but down the road.

 
He is definitely flying under the radar. Since he's my 4th or 5th WR in a lot of dynasty leagues, I've tried to pair him with another player to upgrade at certain positions. Finding most don't value him at all right now. Short term memories I guess. A better buy than sell it seems.
Same for me. I couldn't give him away. Looks to be good value.
 
Doesn't like catching the ball in traffic at all and will drop the ball a lot. Seems very soft. Has average size and played extremely poorly the last half of 2012. On the bright side he might be the #1 option by default so he could have a thousand yard season if everything aligns just right. I don't see it happening but it's possible. Someone has to catch the ball but maybe it'll be spread out among 5 of Criner, Moore, Streator, Ford, the TE and rb getting decent but not good totals. I wouldn't think of Flynn's floor being Palmer's numbers either, I'd think of that as his ceiling.

 
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I can't tell if Moore will be the undisputed #1 and get a plurality of the action (and thus be serviceable or better), or be one of a clutter of targets amongst Criner, Ford, Streater, etc. (and not be worth owning unless in deeper leagues).

I don't think Oakland's passing attack is going to support more than one viable fantasy starter, if any. I've been intrigued by his talent and the evaluations of experts like the Williamson quote above though.

Definitely hold if you own him, buy low if you don't. But I'm hesitant to buy low at the moment.

 
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I appreciate the responses. I can't believe how insanely active this forum is. That target to catches ratio is concerning, and from watching Moore extensively down the stretch, he no longer looked like the best receiver on that team. It felt like he was getting his 3 or 4 deep shots a game and not much else. I don't feel confident about his future, and if I can get a top 6 pick for him I think I will pull the trigger.

 
Am I crazy for liking Streater as much as Moore? Streater seemed pretty decent for a raw rookie, and if he grows he could end up being a good, dependable outlet for Flynn.
No, I actually like him better as a Dynasty play, and it really would not surprise me if he puts up better fantasy numbers than Moore this season. I have been acquiring Streater in every league I can.

 
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Moore is an immensly talented young WR going into his 3rd year on a team that is in cap hell and rebuilding mode with a new OC and QB, of course there's going to be question marks. And he experienced some growing pains in his 2nd year, is that so surprising? There's lots of factors involved, poor offensive play calling, Palmer, Moore running wrong routes and bad pass protection, you name it... Everything went wrong for the Raiders last year. Even though they will be terrible this year, I would buy low just based on talent. Who knows, with Flynn at the helm they might have better chemistry than he and Palmer did. At the very least, if you have the roster space hang onto him for a couple years until he moves on to a better team like DHB did this offseason.

 
Doesn't like catching the ball in traffic at all and will drop the ball a lot. Seems very soft. Has average size and played extremely poorly the last half of 2012. On the bright side he might be the #1 option by default so he could have a thousand yard season if everything aligns just right. I don't see it happening but it's possible. Someone has to catch the ball but maybe it'll be spread out among 5 of Criner, Moore, Streator, Ford, the TE and rb getting decent but not good totals. I wouldn't think of Flynn's floor being Palmer's numbers either, I'd think of that as his ceiling.
I seem to recall reading something similar. He's intriguing, but is he more so than other players being drafted around him? Hell, Sidney Rice is being drafted right next to him right now and I think I like Rice more. Do you guys expect Moore to get 114 targets again? Do you think Flynn is that good? I don't feel super confident here. As Wilson gets better, Rice should get better. He and Harvin are different players so Harvin's presence shouldn't hurt him. Plus, Rice is only 2 years older and has a 1300 yard season under his belt.

Player tgt rec yds TDMoore 114 50 741 7Rice 81 50 748 7And that's just the guy being drafted right next to him. It'll be interesting to see where Moore's ADP shakes out, but I think there are going to be better gambles out there. He'll be on my radar when looking for my WR5, but not near the top.

 
Rice also has a bad injury history and is grossly overpaid, making his spot on the team a little more tenuous.

You could also compare Moore's bare stats to a guy getting drafted 4 rounds ahead of him

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Player   tgt rec yds tdMoore    114 50  741 7Gordon   95  50  805 5
 
Doesn't like catching the ball in traffic at all and will drop the ball a lot. Seems very soft. Has average size and played extremely poorly the last half of 2012. On the bright side he might be the #1 option by default so he could have a thousand yard season if everything aligns just right. I don't see it happening but it's possible. Someone has to catch the ball but maybe it'll be spread out among 5 of Criner, Moore, Streator, Ford, the TE and rb getting decent but not good totals. I wouldn't think of Flynn's floor being Palmer's numbers either, I'd think of that as his ceiling.
I seem to recall reading something similar. He's intriguing, but is he more so than other players being drafted around him? Hell, Sidney Rice is being drafted right next to him right now and I think I like Rice more. Do you guys expect Moore to get 114 targets again? Do you think Flynn is that good? I don't feel super confident here. As Wilson gets better, Rice should get better. He and Harvin are different players so Harvin's presence shouldn't hurt him. Plus, Rice is only 2 years older and has a 1300 yard season under his belt.

Player tgt rec yds TDMoore 114 50 741 7Rice 81 50 748 7And that's just the guy being drafted right next to him. It'll be interesting to see where Moore's ADP shakes out, but I think there are going to be better gambles out there. He'll be on my radar when looking for my WR5, but not near the top.
I expect more targets. Why would I expect less?

 
Doesn't like catching the ball in traffic at all and will drop the ball a lot. Seems very soft. Has average size and played extremely poorly the last half of 2012. On the bright side he might be the #1 option by default so he could have a thousand yard season if everything aligns just right. I don't see it happening but it's possible. Someone has to catch the ball but maybe it'll be spread out among 5 of Criner, Moore, Streator, Ford, the TE and rb getting decent but not good totals. I wouldn't think of Flynn's floor being Palmer's numbers either, I'd think of that as his ceiling.
I seem to recall reading something similar.
And for what it is worth, he was benched one game last season due to dropped balls.

 
I expect more targets. Why would I expect less?
Because 114 is a pretty decent clip. And because he dropped 9 balls last year. And because it's a new offense - I'm personally not expecting much out of Olson's offense, but even if I was, last year's stats are even less of a reliable indicator of things to come when changing offenses.

Rice also has a bad injury history and is grossly overpaid, making his spot on the team a little more tenuous.

You could also compare Moore's bare stats to a guy getting drafted 4 rounds ahead of him

Player tgt rec yds tdMoore 114 50 741 7Gordon 95 50 805 5
People are obviously expecting Gordon to build on his rookie year quite a bit. Plus, my comparison was to give an idea of what your opportunity-cost would be if you drafted Moore. Comparing a player several rounds earlier does not illustrate opportunity-cost at all.

 
I expect more targets. Why would I expect less?
Because 114 is a pretty decent clip. And because he dropped 9 balls last year. And because it's a new offense - I'm personally not expecting much out of Olson's offense, but even if I was, last year's stats are even less of a reliable indicator of things to come when changing offenses.
Changing offense isn't really a great reason to expect a drop in targets. It's not even a bad reason. Does every WR experience a drop in targets when an offense changes?

Moore is still their best WR, Myers took 70+ targets elsewhere, and they will have plenty of time to play catch-up. 150 targets, barring injury, is likely IMO. The 'barring injury' of course, is a huge, huge thing. Moore has gotten banged up before.

Moore will help owners this year, as a compiler, getting garbage yardage in the 2nd half.

 
I expect more targets. Why would I expect less?
Because 114 is a pretty decent clip. And because he dropped 9 balls last year. And because it's a new offense - I'm personally not expecting much out of Olson's offense, but even if I was, last year's stats are even less of a reliable indicator of things to come when changing offenses.
Changing offense isn't really a great reason to expect a drop in targets. It's not even a bad reason. Does every WR experience a drop in targets when an offense changes?

Moore is still their best WR, Myers took 70+ targets elsewhere, and they will have plenty of time to play catch-up. 150 targets, barring injury, is likely IMO. The 'barring injury' of course, is a huge, huge thing. Moore has gotten banged up before.

Moore will help owners this year, as a compiler, getting garbage yardage in the 2nd half.
No way Moore gets 150 targets.

This is the list of WR's who had 150 plus targets last year...

Calvin Johnson

Brandon Marshall

Wes Welker

AJ Green

AJ

Roddy White

Reggie Wayne

This list is guys who did not make it

Cruz

Bay Bay

Dez

Julio Jones

Steve Smith

Vincent Jackson

Eric Decker

Stevie Johnson

Cobb

You really are going to put Moore in with those other guys for targets by saying it is likely he gets 150?

 
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I expect more targets. Why would I expect less?
Because 114 is a pretty decent clip. And because he dropped 9 balls last year. And because it's a new offense - I'm personally not expecting much out of Olson's offense, but even if I was, last year's stats are even less of a reliable indicator of things to come when changing offenses.
Changing offense isn't really a great reason to expect a drop in targets. It's not even a bad reason. Does every WR experience a drop in targets when an offense changes?

Moore is still their best WR, Myers took 70+ targets elsewhere, and they will have plenty of time to play catch-up. 150 targets, barring injury, is likely IMO. The 'barring injury' of course, is a huge, huge thing. Moore has gotten banged up before.

Moore will help owners this year, as a compiler, getting garbage yardage in the 2nd half.
No way Moore gets 150 targets.

This is the list of WR's who had 150 plus targets last year...

Calvin Johnson

Brandon Marshall

Wes Welker

AJ Green

AJ

Roddy White

Reggie Wayne

This list is guys who did not make it

Cruz

Bay Bay

Dez

Julio Jones

Steve Smith

Vincent Jackson

Eric Decker

Stevie Johnson

Cobb

You really are going to put Moore in with those other guys for targets by saying it is likely he gets 150?
I don't like the other options for Oakland. DHB, gone, not replaced. Myers, gone, not replaced.

Moore, Streater, Ford, DMC. Think those are the top target guys, in that order.

 
People are obviously expecting Gordon to build on his rookie year quite a bit. Plus, my comparison was to give an idea of what your opportunity-cost would be if you drafted Moore. Comparing a player several rounds earlier does not illustrate opportunity-cost at all.
It doesn't illustrate opportunity cost, it illustrates arbitrage.

 
thriftyrocker said:
FF Ninja said:
People are obviously expecting Gordon to build on his rookie year quite a bit. Plus, my comparison was to give an idea of what your opportunity-cost would be if you drafted Moore. Comparing a player several rounds earlier does not illustrate opportunity-cost at all.
It doesn't illustrate opportunity cost, it illustrates arbitrage.
Not sure what the point is of that, though. If you think Gordon is overvalued, don't draft him. I know I won't be drafting him. But if you like Moore, you need to look at players you actually might draft that are going around him and determine if you'd rather have one of those guys or Moore. Personally, I won't be disappointed if Moore is on my team, but there are other guys I'd rather have around that price range.

massraider said:
FF Ninja said:
massraider said:
I expect more targets. Why would I expect less?
Because 114 is a pretty decent clip. And because he dropped 9 balls last year. And because it's a new offense - I'm personally not expecting much out of Olson's offense, but even if I was, last year's stats are even less of a reliable indicator of things to come when changing offenses.
Changing offense isn't really a great reason to expect a drop in targets. It's not even a bad reason. Does every WR experience a drop in targets when an offense changes?

Moore is still their best WR, Myers took 70+ targets elsewhere, and they will have plenty of time to play catch-up. 150 targets, barring injury, is likely IMO. The 'barring injury' of course, is a huge, huge thing. Moore has gotten banged up before.

Moore will help owners this year, as a compiler, getting garbage yardage in the 2nd half.
When a guy gets more targets than he may deserve in one offensive system then it stands to reason that the next OC might correct that problem. 50 receptions on 114 targets is a disturbingly low number. Getting benched for dropping the ball is also a bad sign. So if you want to disregard the new offense, fine, but that doesn't help you on the other accounts.

And for the record, I wasn't saying I think he'll get less targets. You asked why you might expect less and I listed a new offense as a possible reason he might see less. I genuinely don't have a feel for his expected targets next year. I certainly can't join your optimism for more targets given all the unknowns. However, I will say that 150 targets sounds ludicrous.

I like Moore better than most guys in the WR45 range, but I doubt I like him enough to find him on any of my teams next year.

 
When a guy gets more targets than he may deserve in one offensive system then it stands to reason that the next OC might correct that problem.
That's just a massive guess on your part. Unless you have some info that suggests that the Raiders are unhappy with Moore, and looking to cut his workload?

:coffee:

 
So many unknows to fairly approximate what Moore's value is going forward. Brand new offensive system, Back to the power blocking system and out with the ZBS. New coordinator Greg Olson who really hasn't 'wowed' anyone in his previous OC stints. New QB in Matt Flynn so who knows if the chemistry will be there? Then the aforementioned loss of DHB and Myers. It's not so simple as to just add their targets by proxy and assume that Moore gets a boost there. The draft will give us a better picture, but really won't see the picture take focus until training camp.

All you who have crystal balls on the situation, more power to you.

 
So many unknows to fairly approximate what Moore's value is going forward. Brand new offensive system, Back to the power blocking system and out with the ZBS. New coordinator Greg Olson who really hasn't 'wowed' anyone in his previous OC stints. New QB in Matt Flynn so who knows if the chemistry will be there? Then the aforementioned loss of DHB and Myers. It's not so simple as to just add their targets by proxy and assume that Moore gets a boost there. The draft will give us a better picture, but really won't see the picture take focus until training camp.

All you who have crystal balls on the situation, more power to you.
I'd be shocked if the Raiders took a WR in the first three rounds. Maaaaaybe a TE.

Just not seeing too many other guys taking targets.

 
I'm a fan of the guy but he's not going to win you any Championships. I'd be happy to have him as a bye week filler / depth.

 
I drafted Moore on one of my dynasty teams so I've been keeping a pretty close eye on him. I had pretty high hopes for him after his rookie year, but last year he didn't seem to progress at all, and more importantly, he didn't seem to earn more trust from his coaches and QB throughout the season. Right now he's a classic "it's too early to say" type of player. Will he put it all together in his third year now that there's a new QB, or will he fall back to the pack of never ending Raider WRs who fail to live up to the hopeful expectations year after year. See: Heywary-Bey, Jacoby Ford, Chaz Schilens, Louis Murphy, and Derek Hagan for recent examples.

 
I was dumping this guy in the preseason until they signed Flynn. Now he's worth keeping but if he goes off early in the season, I will try and trade him.

 
I really am not sold on Moore. He received 113 targets last year but only caught 51 of those. That is pathetic. Palmer may have partly been to blame but Palmer did complete 61% of his passes.

The year before Moore had 76 targets but only caught 33 of them.

Maybe Moore is just not that good.
How many of those balls were catchable? Some pretty talented WRs at the bottom of the catch %.

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?year=2012&pos=WR&season=reg

Palmer completed 61% because he was checking down to Brandon Myers.

 
I really am not sold on Moore. He received 113 targets last year but only caught 51 of those. That is pathetic. Palmer may have partly been to blame but Palmer did complete 61% of his passes.

The year before Moore had 76 targets but only caught 33 of them.

Maybe Moore is just not that good.
How many of those balls were catchable? Some pretty talented WRs at the bottom of the catch %.

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?year=2012&pos=WR&season=reg

Palmer completed 61% because he was checking down to Brandon Myers.
Sixty of his 110 targets were catchable, according to PFF. That still gives him a drop rate of 15%, which ain't good. (Interestingly, Streater caught 39 of 46 catchable passes for a drop of rate of... 15%.

Drop rate is tricky, though. It tends to vary significantly from year to year. In 2011, Moore dropped just 2 of 35 catchable balls (again according to PFF). Maybe that's too few chances to accurately represent his ability; I don't know.

I own him in more than one league, but I'm not excited about it. I won't try to sell him now - as y'all have pointed out, he won't bring much - but I don't expect him to develop into the kind of WR2/3 type I thought I was drafting last year.

 
I have him in my dynasty league and I'm actually still pretty excited about him... Injuries slowed his progress early last season but what I noticed was that in games where the raiders were competitive he seemed to be just fine (steelers game in particular)

In games where they sucked (most of them) he didn't really seem to be involved... Was that him sucking or Carson always checking down or both I don't know

Looking forward I think the change of schemes could do him well... The things that excited us 2 yrs ago was his ability to be at full speed and still leap high enough to go get the ball! I'm not sure that has gone away but I don't remember Carson going deep much last yr and while flynns arm is a ? I think at least he is going to be viable enough to make things happen... He learned from an aggressive qb in Aaron Rodgers so I'd expect nothing less... I don't think we are dealing with Brady Quinn here...

My only concern is that Moore won't stay "in the game" when the Raiders can't compete with their opponent... It is a minor concern so I guess we shall see

 
When a guy gets more targets than he may deserve in one offensive system then it stands to reason that the next OC might correct that problem.
That's just a massive guess on your part. Unless you have some info that suggests that the Raiders are unhappy with Moore, and looking to cut his workload?

:coffee:
No, 150 targets was a massive guess on your part. That quote is just one of several answers to your question about why his targets would possibly decrease. Since you obviously missed this the first and second time, I'll copy my earlier statement:

And for the record, I wasn't saying I think he'll get less targets. You asked why you might expect less and I listed a new offense as a possible reason he might see less. I genuinely don't have a feel for his expected targets next year. I certainly can't join your optimism for more targets given all the unknowns.
 
I have him on a few of my dynasty teams. In "hold/wait and see" mode. I'm still pretty high on him

 
GoodLloydHaveMercy said:
My only concern is that Moore won't stay "in the game" when the Raiders can't compete with their opponent... It is a minor concern so I guess we shall see
That's what really bothers me, too. I know some receivers grow out of that sort of thing, but I wouldn't bet on it in any particular case. Someone mentioned his benching last year - officially, it was for "performance reasons" (according to Rotoworld). Isn't that a way of saying "he wasn't playing hard"?

That's worrisome for two reasons: first, if we have to wait for the Raiders to be competitive for him to produce... yeesh. (Insert Rodney-Dangerfield-adjusting-tie emoticon.) Several posters have said he'd get lots of garbage time chances, but if he checks out in garbage time, no dice. Worse, on-field effort looks like a likely indicator of off-field work ethic. He's had injury problems, and if he's not working hard in the offseason, I'd expect him to have more in the future.

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Dennis Allen said he's "counting on" Denarius Moore to be "our No. 1 receiver."
On paper, Moore looks primed for a big year as he enters his third NFL season. A special catcher of deep balls locked into an every-down role on a team that figures to be trailing a ton is a solid formula for statistics. However, Carson Palmer's inconsistency held Moore to a 51/741/7 line last year and the quarterback play figures to be even worse this year. Matt Flynn isn't a downfield passer, taking away Moore's strength. Consider him a WR3/4.


Source: Contra Costa Times
 
Work ethic is not a problem unless he's changed since college

Talent not the problem

Skill not the problem

It's injury

 
Work ethic is not a problem unless he's changed since collegeTalent not the problemSkill not the problemIt's injury and QB play.
fixed.

But yea I've actually been targeting him as my WR4. Not many guys after WR36 have his upside. That said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he has a 750 yard season. Lots of risk too, and I really, really don't trust Flynn. Raiders are going to take a step back (even further) this year.

 
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Work ethic is not a problem unless he's changed since collegeTalent not the problemSkill not the problemIt's injury and QB play.
fixed. But yea I've actually been targeting him as my WR4. Not many guys after WR36 have his upside. That said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he has a 750 yard season. Lots of risk too, and I really, really don't trust Flynn. Raiders are going to take a step back (even further) this year.
750 yds for a 4th WR is pretty good for bye weeks and such.
 

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