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Denarius Moore (1 Viewer)
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packersfan
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I still think he has Top 20 upside if he can stay healthy. He's very talented and it looks like the Raiders will have to throw it a lot most weeks. Palmer definitely likes throwing to Moore and yesterday they finally got on the same page with a downfield attempt. I think we'll see more of that the rest of the season. Moore is a huge deep threat but he's also getting plenty of targets and enough receptions to make him a strong WR2 in PPR leagues. The only concern I have with him is durability. But if he can stay healthy I think he possesses a ton of upside.
I still think he has Top 20 upside if he can stay healthy. He's very talented and it looks like the Raiders will have to throw it a lot most weeks. Palmer definitely likes throwing to Moore and yesterday they finally got on the same page with a downfield attempt. I think we'll see more of that the rest of the season. Moore is a huge deep threat but he's also getting plenty of targets and enough receptions to make him a strong WR2 in PPR leagues. The only concern I have with him is durability. But if he can stay healthy I think he possesses a ton of upside.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
He is sickeningly fast. Fearless and has great hands/ noddy control.
But he's on the raiders
But he's on the raiders
packersfan
Footballguy
The Raiders may suck but Moore doesn't.
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5-104-1
He really hasn't had a bad fantasy game yet.
3-67-0
5-45-1
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He really hasn't had a bad fantasy game yet.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Palmer needs to lead him or he's gonna get him killed. The ball being behind Moore is why the pick 6 happened as well.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
I'm a big believer in him. The DHB argument is a joke. He's a poor wr and 2 wr's can play together. Kind of like Ogletree after week 1, you have to watch the actual games. DHB had some big games in blowouts against bad pass defenses last year when everyone else was hurt. He's not a threat. I wish the Raiders had a professional qb, that bothers me a lot more.
Proximo
Footballguy
tonyftony716
Footballguy
Love that playoff schedule. If he stays healthy , the skies the limit.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Buy him, buy, buy, buy.
If someone is still treating him as a WR3, take advantage in a package deal.
The only thing off putting is the possible propensity to injury, but his ceiling is super high and more than makes up for the risk.
I wouldn't however go as far to say his floor is high as well. The nature of his game (and Palmer) will lead to some duds. He will however more than make up for it with his boom type games.
If someone is still treating him as a WR3, take advantage in a package deal.
The only thing off putting is the possible propensity to injury, but his ceiling is super high and more than makes up for the risk.
I wouldn't however go as far to say his floor is high as well. The nature of his game (and Palmer) will lead to some duds. He will however more than make up for it with his boom type games.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Very little discussion about him it seems. He has been fairly consistent after week 2 or 3. Not sure he is a WR2 today against Baltimore.
Are you starting him? If not who are you rolling with?
Are you starting him? If not who are you rolling with?
Construction Man Jim
Footballguy
How are Denarius owners feeling about him the rest of the way? Was week 11 just a hiccup?
He had been producing well over the previous 8 weeks averaging 4.25 catches, 71.88 yards and .83 TD per game.
Or is there reason for concern?
His remaining schedule (with SOS based on last weeks numbers):
12 @ CIN (20.7)
13 CLE (24.6)
14 DEN (18.5)
15 KC (21.6)
16 @ CAR (16.2)
That looks like a pretty tough stretch to close the season. Especially in the FF playoffs.
Also haven't seen mentioned anywhere but it looked to me like he pulled up a bit lame towards the end of the New Orleans game. Palmer overshot him on a deep pass on 4th and 5 with 8:18 remaining. I didn't see Moore back on the field after that play. (They only had one other possession which ended with the TD pass to Criner).
He had been producing well over the previous 8 weeks averaging 4.25 catches, 71.88 yards and .83 TD per game.
Or is there reason for concern?
His remaining schedule (with SOS based on last weeks numbers):
12 @ CIN (20.7)
13 CLE (24.6)
14 DEN (18.5)
15 KC (21.6)
16 @ CAR (16.2)
That looks like a pretty tough stretch to close the season. Especially in the FF playoffs.
Also haven't seen mentioned anywhere but it looked to me like he pulled up a bit lame towards the end of the New Orleans game. Palmer overshot him on a deep pass on 4th and 5 with 8:18 remaining. I didn't see Moore back on the field after that play. (They only had one other possession which ended with the TD pass to Criner).
JFS171
Footballguy
Personally, I think SOS is grossly overrated. Example: Moore puts up a strong game against Baltimore (a "tougher" matchup on paper) but falls on his face against NO, arguably his easiest matchup.
His role, talent, etc. should be more heavily considered IMO. Palmer loves the guy, Moore clearly has talent. I'm not bailing just yet. Raiders aren't very good - they'll be throwing a lot. Especially in that Denver game, as it's likely their only way to try to keep up.
If he's hurt, that changes things, but if healthy...
His role, talent, etc. should be more heavily considered IMO. Palmer loves the guy, Moore clearly has talent. I'm not bailing just yet. Raiders aren't very good - they'll be throwing a lot. Especially in that Denver game, as it's likely their only way to try to keep up.
If he's hurt, that changes things, but if healthy...
packersfan
Footballguy
It was a major kick in the nuts given the matchup but I still like Moore a lot going forward. He's still clearly the No. 1 WR on the team. Palmer keeps throwing to him a ton. Unfortunately against the Saints, it seems like all of Palmer's bad throws were ones for Moore. He also threw a bad ball when Moore had a guy beat deep. That should've been an easy 40-yard TD but Palmer mucked it up. Even the elite WRs throw up a stinker every now and then. It sucked as a Moore owner but I wouldn't get too worried. A talented No. 1 WR on a team that will have to throw it a lot every week should continue to carry value.
Andrew74
Footballguy
IIRC Palmer mentioned a week or two back that he and Moore needed to get on the same page. Hopefully that's still the case, but the last 2 weeks raise a concern (Moore was lifeless last week until the end of the game). For now I'd still look at him as a WR2 but my chain is getting shorter.
packersfan
Footballguy
I understand what you're saying but ultimately Moore came through two weeks ago and that's all that matters. I don't care when a player gets production as long as he gets it. Palmer was pretty much miserable until his final drive against the Saints but he delivered and finished with 300 yards and 2 TDs. I still like Moore as a WR2 going forward and love him as a WR3. Schedule's good, targets are there, he's the No. 1 WR and the Raiders will be pass-heavy every week. Plenty of upside with Moore the rest of the way in my opinion.
rockaction
Footballguy
I would have dealt an injured Harvin for Moore and a throw-in, if I had gotten the chance to make the offer. I think his upside is that high.
Dizzy
Footballguy
That's what I thought PRIOR to Sunday... and he flat-out killed me in a tight game.I could swallow the goose egg easier if Palmer completed something like 6 passes for around 100 yards... but he completed 22 tosses, went over 300 yards, and 2 TD's. To me a "clear #1" does not take a dive on this day.'packersfan said:
I cannot trust him going forward. Not after putting up a doughnut against a cupcake defense like that.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Disclaimer - I'm not saying Denarius Moore is as good as Calvin Johnson.That being said, in Week 8 Matthew Stafford threw for 352 yards and 3 TDs. Calvin Johnson did not catch any of the TDs and finished with just 3-46 that day. Every No. 1 WR is going to have a stinker every now and then. It sucks when it's your guy and it really sucks when the matchup is great but that's just the nature of the game. Moore still led all Oakland WRs in targets and as I posted before he should've had a 40-yard TD but Palmer threw a bad ball. I realize no one gets points for "Should've scored" but it does speak to how close he was to having at least a good day.
I still like Moore a lot going forward. He's not an elite fantasy WR so I don't recommend treating him as such. But I haven't lost any confidence in him despite the terrible day against the Saints. There are still far too many positive factors working in his favor in my opinion.
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lod01
Footballguy
I read that New Orleans was going to take him out of the game. They apparently did so. He got 7 targegts but from what I saw, they were all over him. I would only worry about Moore's game if Palmer got replaced with a turd like Leinart or Pryor.
JAMES!
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree. Smith seems to me to be more of a hit or miss guy. Moore had been consistent prior to this past Sunday. He really hadn't had a bad fantasy game until then. His floor was around 10 points in PPR. That's pretty solid and dependable. I also like Palmer a lot more as a fantasy QB than Flacco.
cstu
Footballguy
He needs a QB. Not sure when that's going to happen though.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It seemed like Palmer missed him every time he was open.
On one late play at the end Moore was wide open down the middle for a sure TD and Palmer overthrew him by about 20 yards.
It also seemed like Streater and Criner were getting the end zone looks, which is dumb for Oakland in my opinion since Moore is hands down their best receiver. Moore did get one good TD chance, but it ended up PI, DB was holding back his arm.
He still got 7 targets.
I'm starting him again next week.
Cincy even on the road should be a great matchup. Palmer returning to see old friends like the Brown family? Pfffshaaawww, I'll take that, should be fun and he will need Moore.
On one late play at the end Moore was wide open down the middle for a sure TD and Palmer overthrew him by about 20 yards.
It also seemed like Streater and Criner were getting the end zone looks, which is dumb for Oakland in my opinion since Moore is hands down their best receiver. Moore did get one good TD chance, but it ended up PI, DB was holding back his arm.
He still got 7 targets.
I'm starting him again next week.
Cincy even on the road should be a great matchup. Palmer returning to see old friends like the Brown family? Pfffshaaawww, I'll take that, should be fun and he will need Moore.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Palmer has made some bad throws. But let's be objective and call out Denarius too. He's ran some sloppy routes and the miscommunication has beem mostly on him. I blame Denarius more than Palmer. As a route runner who's only real talent was running 9 routes, he looks to have regressed under the new coaching staff (which I think sucks but that is another topic). Last year, he was playing within himself and running the type of routes he was comfortable with. He's never going to be a Calvin Johnson type that knows how to bail out his QB or run routes crisply. But he's still a very gifted wideout. For fantasy purposes, he's still very solid despite the stinker last week. But as a fan of the Raiders and D Moore, I am disappointed with his development. He's better than this.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm surprised you're disappointed. I think he's made some real improvements as a receiver this season. He was pretty much a deep threat only last season but now he can run the entire route tree. I think he's really progressed. The one criticism I would have is he's dropped some catchable balls lately. Not a lot but a few that I think good receivers need to catch. Other than that, I think he's really progressed and I think the Raiders should be very excited about his future. He may not have had his crispest game of the season against the Saints, though. I'll grant you that. The blown 40-yard TD was all on Palmer, however. That should've been an easy TD. Moore had his man beat but Palmer threw a really bad ball.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He's been my WR3 behind Marshall and Jordy Nelson, think I'll keep riding this out. If he can put up 12-18 a week, I'm usually very happy. He had a bad week, whatever the reason, if he has been your WR1 all year you have bigger issues than last week.
