Denver #2 RB (1 Viewer)

[Mission Impossible]

I drafted T.Henry and added M.Bell as a handcuff yesterday, now this article comes out

Does anyone really know who Shanny will use as #2 this year?

Selvin Young Moves Ahead of Mike Bell & Cecil Sapp --

Fri Aug 31, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com

The Denver Post reports Broncos undrafted rookie RB Selvin Young is now the team's No. 2 running back behind starting RB Travis Henry. Young, who gained 91 yards last week in the Broncos' third preseason game, started in the team's fourth and final preseason game against the Cardinals. He finished off his second consecutive impressive preseason performance with a nifty 12-yard touchdown early in the fourth quarter. Meanwhile, RB Mike Bell (left hip) not only has been demoted from tailback to fullback, he's on the team's roster bubble. RB/FB Cecil Sapp worked as a fullback against the Cardinals as well. There's a chance Bell's switch to fullback is only temporary. And it may be a positive development for Bell in terms of making the roster as the fourth or fifth back, behind Henry, FB Kyle Johnson, Young and possibly RB/FB Cecil Sapp. RB Andre Hall, who rushed for 52 yards and two touchdowns, would also be a tough cut, although he has practice squad eligibility. FB Paul Smith has been an exemplary special teams player. That means the Broncos have seven backs they'd like to keep.

 

[DoubleG]

No mere mortal should ever attempt to delve into the mind of Shanny.

 

[shadyridr]

Why bother handcuffing Henry?

 

[Mission Impossible]

Why bother handcuffing Henry?

Because I had roster room and figured insurance for possible injury- anyone running in Denver should post good stats12-Team low performance redraft, picked 12thQB: Big Ben, B.LeftwichRB: T.Henry, L.Maroney, F.Taylor, M.Turner, T.BellWR: R.Wayne, Roy.Williams, San.Moss, Bran.JonesTE: T.Heap, B.WatsonPK: M.Stover,O.MareDF: D.Broncos, NJGiants

 

[sandlotshrink]

Shanny changes his mind weekly so I would say you got the right guy as a handcuff given the info available. Like the other posts say, no one should dare try and think like a Shanny.

 

[twcsux]

I promised myself I wouldn't get caught up in this mess. Guess what, I fibbed. Drafted T.Henry and M.Bell. Let the merry-go-round begin!

 

[spec1alk]

I promised myself I wouldn't get caught up in this mess. Guess what, I fibbed. Drafted T.Henry and M.Bell. Let the merry-go-round begin!

The temptation was too great and I did the same thing (Henry + Bell). This could be the ultimate risk/reward this season. I got Henry in an auction contract league where I paid about RB18 money for him, and about RB35 money for Bell. I felt paying RB18 money for a guy I feel has a realistic shot to place in the top 5 was worth the risk, but I then admitted I had to get Bell for insurance.I think the burning question in all these Selvin Young threads is wether he will stay the #2. Its very wishy-washy right now from what I have seen. Some have the opinion that Young should not have made the roster while other think he can be a very good back in DEN.

 

[-Crippler-]

Fool you all once, shame on Shanny

Fool you all twice, shame on yourselves!!!

 

[vichawkfan]

all Shanny has done is bump his #2RB to #2 FB. Anyone watching Denver is the preseason will tell you that MBell has not been the 2nd best RB on the team.....so stop wigging out and draft Maroney's handcuff Sammy aka "rolling ball of butcher knives" Morris.

Henry will not be hurt until at least week 12.....play with some balz man!

 

[PhD]

Delving into the mind of Hannibal Shanahan (actually that name has a nice ring to it) - Ha! let's give it a try...(keep in mind that I am no Denver homer and actually know little about this year's team, so this may be way off base but here are some ideas you might find in Shanahan's mind

First find: Shanahan doesn't make a strong distinction between RB and FB and in some cases TE - these positions are more interchangeable than in the minds of most other coaches.

Second find: Shanahan's starting RB is paired with (a) a "FB role" filled by a "RB" (b) a "FB role" filled by a "TE", or © no one. The starting backfield is a flexible decision determined by game plan. So expect to see Henry sometimes paired with Sapp and sometimes a TE (more likely N.Jackson than the two main TEs) and sometimes none of the above.

Third find: Shanahan believes in depth charts only on a game-by-game basis. So, if anything happens to Henry in a game the game plan will remain the same as much as possible using Young and maybe some running "FB" plays to Sapp. The next game, different plan, different depth chart. If Henry is injured for an extended period Sapp will be primary runner taking the "Henry role" with others bumped up to the backfield to take the "FB role" (perhaps Bell). Young/Hall/Bell will sub Sapp occassionally.

Overall, if all of this holds true then the recent switch shouldn't scare Sapp owners. It may reflect Shanahan's confidence in him that he can learn multiple sets, and it may get him on the field more often than just as a "Henry backup". Bell will take the biggest hit.

Shanahan is the offensive version of Belicheck's defense - shift player scheme to attack the offense. Versatility is the future of the NFL.

 

[brindrod]

I drafted Travis Henry sixth overall and yeah, I drafted Bell for insurance.

But you know what? The hell with trying to figure out who will be Henry's handcuff. For now, I'll stick with Mike Bell on my bench until something else shows up on the radar. Midway through next week, Young could be going into Shanny's doghouse.

I rolled the dice with Henry and I'll either get Top 5 RB numbers or I'll bust. Do you play to win or play it safe? I'm even tempted to drop Bell and grab Rhodes who will be back for Week 7 or grab Chris Henry (Bengals) to stash on my bench until week 7 too.

Rate my team

 

[Tubalcane]

Delving into the mind of Hannibal Shanahan (actually that name has a nice ring to it) - Ha! let's give it a try...(keep in mind that I am no Denver homer and actually know little about this year's team, so this may be way off base but here are some ideas you might find in Shanahan's mindFirst find: Shanahan doesn't make a strong distinction between RB and FB and in some cases TE - these positions are more interchangeable than in the minds of most other coaches.Second find: Shanahan's starting RB is paired with (a) a "FB role" filled by a "RB" (b) a "FB role" filled by a "TE", or © no one. The starting backfield is a flexible decision determined by game plan. So expect to see Henry sometimes paired with Sapp and sometimes a TE (more likely N.Jackson than the two main TEs) and sometimes none of the above. Third find: Shanahan believes in depth charts only on a game-by-game basis. So, if anything happens to Henry in a game the game plan will remain the same as much as possible using Young and maybe some running "FB" plays to Sapp. The next game, different plan, different depth chart. If Henry is injured for an extended period Sapp will be primary runner taking the "Henry role" with others bumped up to the backfield to take the "FB role" (perhaps Bell). Young/Hall/Bell will sub Sapp occassionally. Overall, if all of this holds true then the recent switch shouldn't scare Sapp owners. It may reflect Shanahan's confidence in him that he can learn multiple sets, and it may get him on the field more often than just as a "Henry backup". Bell will take the biggest hit. Shanahan is the offensive version of Belicheck's defense - shift player scheme to attack the offense. Versatility is the future of the NFL.

Great post. Shanahan's system requires a FB with speed. That's why you will never see a big FB (i.e. William Henderson) in his system. I’m not talking top end Halfback speed (i.e. Tatum Bell); more like a Reuben Droughns type back. To run the stretch plays and the cutbacks the FB has to have the speed to get in position. That’s why a Denver FB can be used as Halfback…they have similar skill sets. If Henry goes down this year you will see Selvin Young will share with Cecil Sapp; just like Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell 2 years ago. As far as Mike Bell...if you looked at last years games, and saw any preseason highlights it was clear that he was lacking in several areas. #1 he can't pass protect (see last years game against the Rams). If he can't protect then he is at a disadvantage already. Bell is small…plain an simple. #2 he is slow. He has no speed. There were a bunch of runs last year that a back with a little bit more speed would have taken all the way (like his last run in the Colts game last year. If he would have taken that home they probably would have won). Selvin Young is easily faster than Bell. The thing Bell could do so well was dig in and cut back with ease (unlike Tatum Bell who couldn’t do it at all). He has great vision. If you looked at any preseason game you could tell that Selvin did this just as good if not better. So by just watching a few preseason games, and a few games that Mike Bell started last year, you could draw the following conclusions: 1-Selvin Young is faster than Bell. 2-Young can cut back just as good, if not better than Bell. 3-Youngs pass protection is a wee bit better than Bells. Now from those 3 observations alone anyone can see why Shanahan made this decision. It doesn’t take a “mastermind”, a “genius”, or even a fantasy football hating Skeletor to see the logic in this. If anybody in this forum were in Shanahans place they would have made the same decision. The only thing that Bell really has over Young is experience at the Pro level. And if Young plays and makes a crucial mistake at crunch time…he will ride the bench just like everybody else. EVERY coach in the NFL does this. I don’t know why so many people hate on Shanahan when he sits players because they under perform. It’s the right thing to do. It’s self centered to hate Shanahan when he is fickle with his RBs. What... are you mad that he didn’t consult you first and measure the consequences and ramifications of how his decision as a professional Football coach would affect your fantasy football team? It’s plain and simple…When Shanahan has a RB that performs well in the system (Ricky Waters in SF, TD, and Clinton Portis) they are the featured back. When he has a RB that performs good but not great then they share carries. Now go pick up Selvin Young if you have Travis Henry…and pay attention during the game. If when Young gets in he makes mistakes…expect him to ride the bench next week.

 

[Chaka]

Travis Henry's backup is RBBC.

 

[JuniorNB]

Why bother handcuffing Henry?

1. He's injury prone2. Shanny's history says one bad game and Henry sits3. Denver backs usually put up big numbers, regardless of who they are

 

[JohnnyU]

Why bother handcuffing Henry?

1. He's injury prone2. Shanny's history says one bad game and Henry sits3. Denver backs usually put up big numbers, regardless of who they are

Shanny sure changes RBs as often as most of us change our shorts. It's impossible to figure out Shanahan.

 

[gianmarco]

Why bother handcuffing Henry?

1. He's injury prone2. Shanny's history says one bad game and Henry sits

3. Denver backs usually put up big numbers, regardless of who they are

How is he injury prone?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Why bother handcuffing Henry?

1. He's injury prone2. Shanny's history says one bad game and Henry sits

3. Denver backs usually put up big numbers, regardless of who they are

How is he injury prone?

He has missed 15 games in the last 3 years.

 

[gianmarco]

Why bother handcuffing Henry?

1. He's injury prone2. Shanny's history says one bad game and Henry sits

3. Denver backs usually put up big numbers, regardless of who they are

How is he injury prone?

He has missed 15 games in the last 3 years.

He broke his leg in 2004 which explains that string of games. Other than that, his time missed was due to suspension and being a backup, not injury. Is there a specific injury he's had in the last 3 yrs that I'm missing?ETA--

In 2002, he played all 16 games as a starter

In 2003, he played in 15 of 16 games as a starter

In 2004, he became a backup and broke his leg and thus only started in 5 games that year.

In 2005, he went to Tenn and was still a backup. He also had to serve a 4 game suspension. He still played in 10 games that year. He only appeared on the injury report one week, if I'm not mistaken and didn't play as he was still the backup.

In 2006, he played in 14 out of 16 games and started 12 games. Those 2 games he didn't play, he still wasn't the starter at that point. There's no mention of injury that I can find nor do I remember one.

Aside from 2004, he's had no major injuries and no nagging injuries and has really not missed any time due to injuries. I don't understand how he's more injury prone than most other RB's.