Hoss Style
Footballguy
Watch again. Greast drive at the end of the game. Took it to OT even with tons of drops. He made plays, even "in the wind" (which was overrated). Ok, later guys.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Wtf....I turned the game off at halftime
sporthenry
Footballguy
150 yards on 19/36 and 2/1 is not top notch. Of course, he wasn't asked to do as much as Brady.
You can't just ignore this game but it also doesn't just end the argument either.
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah, but I woke up halfway through the 3rd quarter.Wtf....I turned the game off at halftime
Insein
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Maybe I am, maybe I am not, but fantasy wise I would draft Peyton over Brady if I was NFL general manager I would take Brady over Manning if they were both 22 and in the draft. Not that you could go wrong with either, but still take Brady all day every day.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Sure man. In the 4th both played great. Whatever though. Not going to spoil a great game with a stupid argument.
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General Tso
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The only unreasonable fan here is you, and if you leave it's because you know you can't back up your statement that Manning had a top notch game.19-36. 150 yards. 2 TD's. 1 int. Blew a 24-0 halftime lead.
You call that a top notch game?
Wingnut
Footballguy
No, the shirt is for me. LolYeah, but I woke up halfway through the 3rd quarter.Wtf....I turned the game off at halftime
JaxBill
Footballguy
Anybody else see the photographers at the end of the game?
I rewound it several times on my DVR. Looks like the older guy got in the way when the Peter King looking guy was ready to snap a picture.
http://deadspin.com/brady-manning-handshake-pushes-photographers-over-edge-1470950323?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
I rewound it several times on my DVR. Looks like the older guy got in the way when the Peter King looking guy was ready to snap a picture.
http://deadspin.com/brady-manning-handshake-pushes-photographers-over-edge-1470950323?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I agree with that no point in bickering, I am sorry.
ffball-novice
Footballguy
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General Tso
Guest
Didn't see it. Can you recap?
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Yeah. Great players make plays when it counts. If you just look at stats to make a great game, then don't watch the games. Just look at the box score. When plays needed to be made Peyton made them. It was a great game and Petyon played top notch when it counted.
Sorry my opinion of what constitues a great game differs from yours. "Back up my statement"? To you? Other than what I just said, why do I need to?
Hoss Style
Footballguy
No worries, great game man. You guys earned it.I agree with that no point in bickering, I am sorry.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am not looking it up but since Peyton has 4 wins against the Patriots I find this hard to believe
Saint
Footballguy
Different play calling for different situations. Denver was killing it in the run game. Moreno had 37 attempts for 224 yds, whereas the Pats had 34 combined attempts for 116 yds. Hard to knock on Denver's playcalling when they were running the ball more than passing.
** Edited to clarify: Playcalling meaning that Denver was not called upon to pass as much as NE until the 4th Qtr
In my opinion, Brady had a better statistical looking game than Manning, but in the 4th Qtr and OT, it was pretty evenly split between two great QBs. Unfortunately, this game was decided by a special teams error rather than a great offensive possession.
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General Tso
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We agree it was a great game. But you are completely delusional if you can't admit that Brady vastly outplayed Manning in this game. But hey, whatever gets you through the night dude.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Hoss Style
Footballguy
See Saint's post above. I'll "make it through the night" Tso. I like you, but not that much.
Anyway, no hard feelings. My dog's about to #### on the floor. Have to go.
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sporthenry
Footballguy
Sure, but you can't call it a top notch game then. And even with all the running, he was still barely over 50% completion. It wasn't a great game for Peyton. He had one good drive. Did crap in OT and people were clamoring for Denver to run the ball instead of putting it in Peyton's hands. That is more telling than anything else.
GregR
Footballguy
I'm expecting a 1 game suspension for the photographer that on appeal will be reduced by Matt Birk to a $12.5k fine.
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General Tso
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ffball-novice
Footballguy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colts%E2%80%93Patriots_rivalry
I'll make it easy for you. Dungy started in 2003 NFL season last Colts season 2009.
I'll guess this explanation. The statistic you cite is vs Brady not the Patriots, maybe.
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Hoss Style
Footballguy
Ok, last one, for my dog.
We were clamoring for the run because we were getting 8 yards a run. If God was QB I'd still take 8 yards a run over a pass.
SengerCJ
Footballguy
This game feels so similar to the 2009 Patriots/Colts game, except the Patriots make the come back this time. Just like that game, tonight the patriots had a 4th and 1 very late in the 4th. Instead of going for it and failing causing them to lose the game, they punt it this time. Feels like an alternate ending to 2009 game.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291115011
It was a great game on both sides. The Brady/Manning debate is not worth debating at all, both the greatest of their time.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291115011
It was a great game on both sides. The Brady/Manning debate is not worth debating at all, both the greatest of their time.
Saint
Footballguy
The game was top notch. All I'm saying, when the game got close, both Defenses played better and the QBs did what they had to do. Here's the stats from OT:
Manning: 2/5 for 16 yds
Brady: 3/7 for 35 yds
Rushing: Denver rushed for 66 yds in OT, NE for 7 yds.
Is that top notch? Maybe, but to me it only solidifies the point that the game was won on Special Teams... not on offensive prowess, especially in OT.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Neofight
Footballguy
Mr. Mangoo
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The reason I think Brady out played Manning in this game goes beyond stats.
Manning was given 7 points and a 15 yard field for another touchdown if I remember right.
Manning was given 24 - 0 lead to hold.
Manning showed flashes of brilliance but seemed very reluctant to throw the ball most of the game.
Brady was given a short field I believe about 30 yards by his defense and a field goal to win the game
Brady was down 24 - 0 and I feel like it is more difficult to come back from 24 down in a game like that
Brady did a lot of his damage into the wind which impressed me more
Brady was reluctant to throw the ball in the first half, as soon as the second half started he seemed to turn it on.
It was a great game, I am glad the Patriots won, Peyton is still having the better year, but Brady had the better game.
Manning was given 7 points and a 15 yard field for another touchdown if I remember right.
Manning was given 24 - 0 lead to hold.
Manning showed flashes of brilliance but seemed very reluctant to throw the ball most of the game.
Brady was given a short field I believe about 30 yards by his defense and a field goal to win the game
Brady was down 24 - 0 and I feel like it is more difficult to come back from 24 down in a game like that
Brady did a lot of his damage into the wind which impressed me more
Brady was reluctant to throw the ball in the first half, as soon as the second half started he seemed to turn it on.
It was a great game, I am glad the Patriots won, Peyton is still having the better year, but Brady had the better game.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Simply stated, the Broncos lost this game because Manning was afraid to lose this game. It wasn't the defense. Sure, they let up some late scores, but they gave him great field position on two more early turnovers. You can't ask them to do much more than that. It wasn't his running back, who ran the ball over 35 times for over 200 yards. But the guy who changes the play at the line of scrimmage? The one who was petrified to make a mistake throwing the ball in an unexpectedly close game? You can blame him.
Manning ran his running back into the ground to avoid losing this game. He was afraid to throw the ball until he absolutely had to. That's not normal for him, is it? Against weak competition, he slings the ball and has put up record setting numbers through the first game, first two games, first three games, and so on. But this is what happens to him in the playoffs. It's the same reason he lost to the Colts in his first trip back to Indy. It's the same reason that he is 4-10 against Brady. It was evident when he followed up his four interceptions in New England in the AFC Championship game with an anemic three point performance - the same year he set the NFL touchdown record in the regular season. When the pressure is on, Brady wants to finish the game. Manning wants the game to be over. It's the biggest difference between them.
They're both great quarterbacks, sure, but Manning has built his career by putting up big numbers in small situations. Brady has built his career on what he's done in big situations. This game might not have been won by a Tom Brady touchdown pass in overtime, but there is no question that Tom Brady led them back to win this game. Manning had a chance to step on the Patriots throats after those early turnovers and actually put this game away, but he couldn't do it. It's just not in his nature.
Manning ran his running back into the ground to avoid losing this game. He was afraid to throw the ball until he absolutely had to. That's not normal for him, is it? Against weak competition, he slings the ball and has put up record setting numbers through the first game, first two games, first three games, and so on. But this is what happens to him in the playoffs. It's the same reason he lost to the Colts in his first trip back to Indy. It's the same reason that he is 4-10 against Brady. It was evident when he followed up his four interceptions in New England in the AFC Championship game with an anemic three point performance - the same year he set the NFL touchdown record in the regular season. When the pressure is on, Brady wants to finish the game. Manning wants the game to be over. It's the biggest difference between them.
They're both great quarterbacks, sure, but Manning has built his career by putting up big numbers in small situations. Brady has built his career on what he's done in big situations. This game might not have been won by a Tom Brady touchdown pass in overtime, but there is no question that Tom Brady led them back to win this game. Manning had a chance to step on the Patriots throats after those early turnovers and actually put this game away, but he couldn't do it. It's just not in his nature.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
one threw for 150 yds on 50% completions, a pick, and 4 ypa
if that's top notch, what would you consider bottom notch?
tombonneau
Footballguy
Starting with the first quarter Manning had the looks of a guy who just wanted to be sitting at home in a warm bed reading a book. Did not look happy or comfortable out there at all.
That said, Pats game plan was clearly not to let Manning beat them and dared them to run which the Broncos happibly obliged. Not his best game but not a total turd of a game either. Brady certainly outplayed him tonight. But as at Pats fan, the Brady 10-4 vs Manning is disingenuous. It's a team game.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
http://www.patriots.com/media-center/videos/Belichick-1125-Proud-of-the-way-we-fought-back/d029add6-965d-4004-910a-cfe961a40e3e
wtf that's the wrong vid!!
check back there tomorrow
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Saint
Footballguy
Great post msu!
If you break down the game by quarters, Brady was INSANE in the 3rd quarter. By my stats, he was 12/14 for 163 yds (86% completion rate into the wind) with only 14 yds rushing. Interestingly enough, Manning was 3/3 in the 3rd quarter (100% completion rate), but the Patriots kept the ball for 9+ minutes in that quarter alone.
Looking at the game as a whole, I can see why Denver ran the ball more sice the patriots couldn't stop the run. There was no reason to put the game on Manning's shoulders, whereas Brady had to take the game on himself after the 1st half. I can also see where Brady shredded the Denver defense in the 3rd quarter since the Pats took advantage of Denver's injured secondary. Once Denver fell behind, Manning made some pretty spectacular throws to lead the game tying drive in the 4th quarter.
In OT, they both sucked (as my earlier post indicated). I'm not saying one's better than the other, but I think Denver's defense folded fairly significantly with the loss of Cromartie right before the half which hurt them significantly in the 3rd quarter. I also would not fault Manning for losing a 24-pt lead. Granted he threw 1 pick which resulted in 7 pts, but his RB also had a fumble which resulted in points. Basically it was the same situation Brady had in the 1st half. You can't blame the QBs for blowing leads when the defense is on the field.
IMO, the jury is still out on these two. I would love to see a rematch of this game in the playoffs. Epic!
ffldrew
Footballguy
In the second half and OT Brady was given 4 "short" fields.
Once after the Montee Ball fumble(32 yards - result TD)
Once after a 20 yard return by Edlemen into Bronco territory(47 yards -result FG)
And a third after a Manning interception(30 yards - TD)
And then finally a fourth one on the game winning field goal on the muff punt
ETA- both had two drives of distance - Peyton 11/70 and 10/80 - Brady 8/80 and 5/65 - so that is a push?
Also Manning didn't throw the ball a lot because Moreno was getting 5+ yards a carry - however when he did throw the ball he wan't all that good - especially on 1st and 3rd down he did not do so well.
And Broncos scored 24 points into the wind( 7 on the Von Miller runback) - it was a weird night were most of the scoring went against that wicked wind
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
btw, belichick's defensive gameplan from superbowl XXV is in the profootball hall of fame
check it out........
check it out........
While I'm a huge pats fan I can't agree with some of this.
Manning wasn't running Moreno into the ground. This was the pats gameplan believe it or not. They basically gave them the run on the early downs daring Manning to pass. Manning took what the D gave them. Clearly it was Bill B's strategy to make Denver work a long field consistently in lousy conditions.
I will say, when Manning did have to pass in some critical spots he didn't get it done. The stats speak for themselves. And if the Pats didn't hand Manning field position in the first half those stats may have looked even worse.
Super Bowl is outside in the cold this year. I know one team should feel pretty good about that.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I think you misunderstand me. I agree that that was the Patriots game plan. But Manning doesn't have to follow his opponents' game plans. He will predictably audible to the run every time the Patriots show a pass heavy defense. The Pats kept their smaller D backs in the game and never cheated safeties into the box. They took Manning out of the game by baiting him into running the ball, and Manning was all too happy to run Moreno into the ground. Manning attempted 36 passes, and Moreno gets 37 carries? Plus ten more by Ball and Anderson? How many of those were called runs from the sideline, and how many were Manning taking himself out of the game? The Patriots got back into the game by baiting him into putting the brakes on his own offense. He wasn't trying to win the game, he was counting the minutes until it ended.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I'm so proud of Brady 
Hilarious that the biggest play of the game was a meaningless Hail Mary at the end of the half. DRC taking himself out of the game happens only on an undisciplined team like one run by JDR.
@ DRC
Hilarious that the biggest play of the game was a meaningless Hail Mary at the end of the half. DRC taking himself out of the game happens only on an undisciplined team like one run by JDR.
@ DRCI guess I agree with you, but if Brady was put in that same position and NE had a non-fumbling option I'd say take the run as well.
What's more important is that Bill B. was counting on the D stopping Manning on key 3rd and short to middling yardage when it counted in tough conditions.
He bet right.
randall146
Footballguy
Some top notch internetting by BF in this thread
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
Brady and BB OWN Del Rio. They are now 7-0 vs Del Rio coached teams.
