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Denver Broncos Trade the 22nd Pick (1 Viewer)

Could the 49ers be looking at trading for Domanick Davis?
Why? They have Barlow and Gore...maybe they are actually trying to get some players who can start on a regular basis. Have you seen their team? Holes everywhere...
Because Barlow had his shot and not only blew it but was also a malcontent. The 49ers have been getting rid of the negative players they've had. I'm thinking the pick is for a RB because I don't think Barlow will be a 49er much longer and I'm not convinced of Gore's ability to stay healthy. Maybe they will take a rookie RB, but DD is better than Barlow and the Texans don't need him if they draft Bush.
 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.

ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.

 
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I'm convinced Shanhan is looking to get Walker.  The Packers have intimated they need a high second rounder and maybe a player in return.
Lelie?
No, a player.
The Broncos seemingly were hoping to make this happen with Lelie and a 4th or 5th rounder. With Lelie opening his mouth he has busted his value just as had Walker. Now both clubs are dealng from the same relative position and Walker, on talent, is worth Lelie and a high second rounder. Yes, I think that this is going to happen.
 
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Could the 49ers be looking at trading for Domanick Davis?
Why? They have Barlow and Gore...maybe they are actually trying to get some players who can start on a regular basis. Have you seen their team? Holes everywhere...
Because Barlow had his shot and not only blew it but was also a malcontent. The 49ers have been getting rid of the negative players they've had. I'm thinking the pick is for a RB because I don't think Barlow will be a 49er much longer and I'm not convinced of Gore's ability to stay healthy. Maybe they will take a rookie RB, but DD is better than Barlow and the Texans don't need him if they draft Bush.
I think DD value (trade wise) drops waaaaaaaaaayyyyy low after Bush is drafted. Thus, any 1st rounder would be a waste...Cpep (franchise QB) went for a 2nd rounder. RB's, who are viewed as more expendable whould not increase the price. Also, seeing how Edge and ShaunA couldn't even fetch a 2nd last year...nope, just don't see DD going for a anything higher than a 3rd, if that.SF has so many holes, I think they get V. Davis (if still there) and now get DB help w/ their newly acquired pick.

 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
Interesting. Could we then see a trade with the Cowboys, who are apparently looking to trade up to get Huff? Not sure what the 'Boys would have to give up, but the rumors are there.Still a combo of Vernon Davis and DeAngelo Williams would be an A++ grade for the first round

 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.

ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
Who didn't after that? The only negative I have about DeAngelo is his receiving ability, but it's not bad enough to overshadow everything else he does well.
 
This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... :yucky: If he were to drop to the 2nd round maybe...but I wouldn't spend a first rounder on him.

Freak or not, you gotta have a competent qb to get you the ball. Preferably one that won't be on his back very often.

Quick! Someone name me a stud TE that doesn't have a decent qb throwing to him.

Gates = Brees = competent

Gonzalez = Green = competent

Crumpler = Vick = somewhat competent :)

Shockey = Manning = competent

...ya get the point. Alex Smith doesn't seem like he can cut it. But I'm willing to give him this year before I mail it in.

 
Could the 49ers be looking at trading for Domanick Davis?
Why? They have Barlow and Gore...maybe they are actually trying to get some players who can start on a regular basis. Have you seen their team? Holes everywhere...
Because Barlow had his shot and not only blew it but was also a malcontent. The 49ers have been getting rid of the negative players they've had. I'm thinking the pick is for a RB because I don't think Barlow will be a 49er much longer and I'm not convinced of Gore's ability to stay healthy. Maybe they will take a rookie RB, but DD is better than Barlow and the Texans don't need him if they draft Bush.
I think DD value (trade wise) drops waaaaaaaaaayyyyy low after Bush is drafted. Thus, any 1st rounder would be a waste...Cpep (franchise QB) went for a 2nd rounder. RB's, who are viewed as more expendable whould not increase the price. Also, seeing how Edge and ShaunA couldn't even fetch a 2nd last year...nope, just don't see DD going for a anything higher than a 3rd, if that.SF has so many holes, I think they get V. Davis (if still there) and now get DB help w/ their newly acquired pick.
Not straight up, but it would be bait for the Texans to trade up from their 2nd to the #22 to get a player they really want.
 
This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... :yucky:
Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.

 
This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... :yucky:
Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.
If Vernon Davis is as good as advertised, he should make Alex Smith a better QB by being able to get open and become the clutch receiver a young QB like Smith needs to rely on when things break down
 
This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... :yucky:
Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.
Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.
 
I'm convinced Shanhan is looking to get Walker. The Packers have intimated they need a high second rounder and maybe a player in return.
That was my first thought after hearing Denver made this trade.
 
This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... :yucky:
Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.
Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.
Didn't EJ have Rattay and the other guy throwing to him though? He had a ton of receptions but hardly any TD's. I agree that V.Davis is a better playmaker than EJ, but I just don't have any faith in Alex Smith. Since he's young he might be looking to force something downfield to make something happen.
 
Jets #4 and #29 = 2,440

49ers #6 and #22 = 2,380

49ers move up for Brick. Jets slide down two spots and grab Cutler. Move up from 29 to 22 to grab D. Williams. :thumbup:

 
This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... :yucky:
Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.
Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.
Didn't EJ have Rattay and the other guy throwing to him though? He had a ton of receptions but hardly any TD's. I agree that V.Davis is a better playmaker than EJ, but I just don't have any faith in Alex Smith. Since he's young he might be looking to force something downfield to make something happen.
You are too quick to peg Alex Smith as a bad QB. You are forgetting he was good enough to go #1 overall. Not, like Guys like Rattay who you think were decent and were drafted 7th round 212 overall.
 
This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... :yucky:
Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.
Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.
Didn't EJ have Rattay and the other guy throwing to him though? He had a ton of receptions but hardly any TD's. I agree that V.Davis is a better playmaker than EJ, but I just don't have any faith in Alex Smith. Since he's young he might be looking to force something downfield to make something happen.
You are too quick to peg Alex Smith as a bad QB. You are forgetting he was good enough to go #1 overall. Not, like Guys like Rattay who you think were decent and were drafted 7th round 212 overall.
I'm just saying that Rattay seemed to have "some" poise while in there. Alex Smith looked lost. There have been plenty of bust qb's go in the first round. I'm not necessarily calling him a bust. I'm just not sold on him as a franchise qb.
 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.

ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
I'll confirm this also.What if the 49ers offer the 22 to Green Bay for Walker? The 3 teams interested are the Broncos, Eagles, and 49ers correct? Unless Lelie is involved, I'm not sure Denver helped themselves in the Walker sweepstakes.

 
Quick! Someone name me a stud TE that doesn't have a decent qb throwing to him.
Todd Heap.What do I win?
You got me! I almost forgot about him since he hasn't played in about the last 2 or 3 years due to injury. :banned:
I'm pretty sure he helped a lot of people win their leagues last year. He tore it up coming down the stretch.
:yes: and my point is that he WAS a stud TE with a crappy QB, even if he wasn't recently due to injuries. You could also argue for McMichael.

But the real winner should be Crumpler.

 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl.  He singled him out for praise on three different occasions.  I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock.  If he's there at 22.  He's a 9er.

ETA:  No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff.  Williams made a very big impression on them.
I'll confirm this also.What if the 49ers offer the 22 to Green Bay for Walker? The 3 teams interested are the Broncos, Eagles, and 49ers correct? Unless Lelie is involved, I'm not sure Denver helped themselves in the Walker sweepstakes.
IMO this is doubtful...it sounded as if the Niners were unwilling to even give their 2nd to GB for Walker from what I heard. My first thought was that the Donkeys would use the newly acquired pick to get Walker in some fashion.
 
People need to step away from the fantasy buffet table.

While SF may now easily take TE Davis, they should definitely go defense at 22. RB is not their greatest need.

Quit expecting every team to go non-RBBC. We'd be lucky to see just one RB land in a non-RBBC situation. It would be silly to think otherwise.

Ditto for Denver. They are a Championship calibre team (NFL, not your local Fantasy league). They could use a DE at the 15 spot. If they want Lendale White, it would be at the 15 spot as well. There is no chance of him lasting to the 2nd round. White may be immature, but he is extremely talented at playing football.

Rookie fever... catch it.

 
This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... :yucky:
Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.
Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.
Didn't EJ have Rattay and the other guy throwing to him though? He had a ton of receptions but hardly any TD's. I agree that V.Davis is a better playmaker than EJ, but I just don't have any faith in Alex Smith. Since he's young he might be looking to force something downfield to make something happen.
You are too quick to peg Alex Smith as a bad QB. You are forgetting he was good enough to go #1 overall. Not, like Guys like Rattay who you think were decent and were drafted 7th round 212 overall.
I'm just saying that Rattay seemed to have "some" poise while in there. Alex Smith looked lost. There have been plenty of bust qb's go in the first round. I'm not necessarily calling him a bust. I'm just not sold on him as a franchise qb.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. The '04 offense is considerably worse than the projected '06 offense in almost every regard. I mean, they did end up with the #1 overall pick. People have too high of expectations for rookie QBs. Eli Manning didn't exactly light the world on fire. And going into year 3, most people have that guy as a franchise QB.
 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.

ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
DeAngelo Williams isn't making it past #21.
 
People need to step away from the fantasy buffet table.

While SF may now easily take TE Davis, they should definitely go defense at 22. RB is not their greatest need.

Quit expecting every team to go non-RBBC. We'd be lucky to see just one RB land in a non-RBBC situation. It would be silly to think otherwise.

Ditto for Denver. They are a Championship calibre team (NFL, not your local Fantasy league). They could use a DE at the 15 spot. If they want Lendale White, it would be at the 15 spot as well. There is no chance of him lasting to the 2nd round. White may be immature, but he is extremely talented at playing football.

Rookie fever... catch it.
GB a voice of reason! :thumbup:
 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.

ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
I was thinking about this exact thing when I saw the trade. In fact, DeAngelo to Denver at 22 was coming up in mocks, including my own. After the Caddy/Gruden love affair in 05, I was not about to ignore the Nolan-Deangelo love.
 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl.  He singled him out for praise on three different occasions.  I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock.  If he's there at 22.  He's a 9er.

ETA:  No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff.  Williams made a very big impression on them.
DeAngelo Williams isn't making it past #21.
Any specific info, or just a strong feeling NE will want him. NE is so hard to read...
 
6--VD

22--Best D player available, most likely a guy who can play 3-4 OLB.

DeAngelo will not be picked at 22.

 
Lendale White to Denver....book it
:no: not sure why a lot of people r convinced white is the apple of denver's eye. doesn't denver already have a big guy (not that white is all that big except in comparison to the other draft prospects)? u know - the one that won the dallas game on thanksgiving named dayne? he got 13 carries in that last game vs the sd defense and did pretty well. i think shanny thinks he got thru to him and he runs pretty well with that OL blocking scheme.

i also think shanny is too conceited and confident he could make almost any rb a 1000 yd gainer that he doesn't have to go rb in the 1st 2 rounds when he has other issues like defense.

and oh - psssssssssssssst = pac 10 defense is an oxymoron. white = bust. he's eating twinkies as you read this.

 
I don't think the 49ers have anyone specific in mind at 22 because doing the trade before that pick is on the clock there are no assurances the guy will be there.

I think Denver initiated this trade and needing a high 2nd to trade for Walker would seem like a good reason.

 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl.  He singled him out for praise on three different occasions.  I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock.  If he's there at 22.  He's a 9er.
Interesting. Could we then see a trade with the Cowboys, who are apparently looking to trade up to get Huff? Not sure what the 'Boys would have to give up, but the rumors are there.Still a combo of Vernon Davis and DeAngelo Williams would be an A++ grade for the first round
could you imagine?! thats a great first round for SF if they can pull it off, or something similar!
 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.

ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
No doubt in my mind this is why the 49ers did the trade. I remembered reading that during the Senior Bowl. I thought the same thing when I read this today. My question is, why did Denver? I remember reading somewhere that Denver has salary cap issues for this year and can't afford the two firsts. Perhaps that sheds light on why they did it as well. Anyone else hear that?

 
6--VD

22--Best D player available, most likely a guy who can play 3-4 OLB.

DeAngelo will not be picked at 22.
This is the truth, folks.I'm sure the Niners are targeting two or three players they can pick up here, but I don't think they are leaving the first round without a defensive player.

 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.

ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
DeAngelo Williams isn't making it past #21.
If this is true then look for them to move before NE on draft day...
 
6--VD

22--Best D player available, most likely a guy who can play 3-4 OLB.

DeAngelo will not be picked at 22.
This is the truth, folks.I'm sure the Niners are targeting two or three players they can pick up here, but I don't think they are leaving the first round without a defensive player.
Fine. Maybe they get Hawk in the first. Maybe Huff. The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way. Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error. There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real. Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason. The way he runs it could be a big issue.The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience. He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc. So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.

 
This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... :yucky: If he were to drop to the 2nd round maybe...but I wouldn't spend a first rounder on him.

Freak or not, you gotta have a competent qb to get you the ball. Preferably one that won't be on his back very often.

Quick! Someone name me a stud TE that doesn't have a decent qb throwing to him.

Gates = Brees = competent

Gonzalez = Green = competent

Crumpler = Vick = somewhat competent :)

Shockey = Manning = competent

...ya get the point. Alex Smith doesn't seem like he can cut it. But I'm willing to give him this year before I mail it in.
Heap -->> Boller = incompetent
 
Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl.  He singled him out for praise on three different occasions.  I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock.  If he's there at 22.  He's a 9er.

ETA:  No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff.  Williams made a very big impression on them.
DeAngelo Williams isn't making it past #21.
If this is true then look for them to move before NE on draft day...
If they want him bad enough, NE can deal from a surplus of picks to move up to get D Williams.
 

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