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Lelie?I'm convinced Shanhan is looking to get Walker. The Packers have intimated they need a high second rounder and maybe a player in return.
Lelie?I'm convinced Shanhan is looking to get Walker. The Packers have intimated they need a high second rounder and maybe a player in return.
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This is awesome. VD with #6 Lawson with #22????![]()
Because Barlow had his shot and not only blew it but was also a malcontent. The 49ers have been getting rid of the negative players they've had. I'm thinking the pick is for a RB because I don't think Barlow will be a 49er much longer and I'm not convinced of Gore's ability to stay healthy. Maybe they will take a rookie RB, but DD is better than Barlow and the Texans don't need him if they draft Bush.Why? They have Barlow and Gore...maybe they are actually trying to get some players who can start on a regular basis. Have you seen their team? Holes everywhere...Could the 49ers be looking at trading for Domanick Davis?
No, a player.Lelie?I'm convinced Shanhan is looking to get Walker. The Packers have intimated they need a high second rounder and maybe a player in return.
No, a player.
No, a player.Lelie?I'm convinced Shanhan is looking to get Walker. The Packers have intimated they need a high second rounder and maybe a player in return.
The Broncos seemingly were hoping to make this happen with Lelie and a 4th or 5th rounder. With Lelie opening his mouth he has busted his value just as had Walker. Now both clubs are dealng from the same relative position and Walker, on talent, is worth Lelie and a high second rounder. Yes, I think that this is going to happen.No, a player.Lelie?I'm convinced Shanhan is looking to get Walker. The Packers have intimated they need a high second rounder and maybe a player in return.
I think DD value (trade wise) drops waaaaaaaaaayyyyy low after Bush is drafted. Thus, any 1st rounder would be a waste...Cpep (franchise QB) went for a 2nd rounder. RB's, who are viewed as more expendable whould not increase the price. Also, seeing how Edge and ShaunA couldn't even fetch a 2nd last year...nope, just don't see DD going for a anything higher than a 3rd, if that.SF has so many holes, I think they get V. Davis (if still there) and now get DB help w/ their newly acquired pick.Because Barlow had his shot and not only blew it but was also a malcontent. The 49ers have been getting rid of the negative players they've had. I'm thinking the pick is for a RB because I don't think Barlow will be a 49er much longer and I'm not convinced of Gore's ability to stay healthy. Maybe they will take a rookie RB, but DD is better than Barlow and the Texans don't need him if they draft Bush.Why? They have Barlow and Gore...maybe they are actually trying to get some players who can start on a regular basis. Have you seen their team? Holes everywhere...Could the 49ers be looking at trading for Domanick Davis?
Interesting. Could we then see a trade with the Cowboys, who are apparently looking to trade up to get Huff? Not sure what the 'Boys would have to give up, but the rumors are there.Still a combo of Vernon Davis and DeAngelo Williams would be an A++ grade for the first roundMike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
Who didn't after that? The only negative I have about DeAngelo is his receiving ability, but it's not bad enough to overshadow everything else he does well.Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's...This is a good move for the 49ers.
1.06 - Vernon Davis
1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)
Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.
Not straight up, but it would be bait for the Texans to trade up from their 2nd to the #22 to get a player they really want.I think DD value (trade wise) drops waaaaaaaaaayyyyy low after Bush is drafted. Thus, any 1st rounder would be a waste...Cpep (franchise QB) went for a 2nd rounder. RB's, who are viewed as more expendable whould not increase the price. Also, seeing how Edge and ShaunA couldn't even fetch a 2nd last year...nope, just don't see DD going for a anything higher than a 3rd, if that.SF has so many holes, I think they get V. Davis (if still there) and now get DB help w/ their newly acquired pick.Because Barlow had his shot and not only blew it but was also a malcontent. The 49ers have been getting rid of the negative players they've had. I'm thinking the pick is for a RB because I don't think Barlow will be a 49er much longer and I'm not convinced of Gore's ability to stay healthy. Maybe they will take a rookie RB, but DD is better than Barlow and the Texans don't need him if they draft Bush.Why? They have Barlow and Gore...maybe they are actually trying to get some players who can start on a regular basis. Have you seen their team? Holes everywhere...Could the 49ers be looking at trading for Domanick Davis?
Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's...This is a good move for the 49ers.
1.06 - Vernon Davis
1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)
Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.![]()
If Vernon Davis is as good as advertised, he should make Alex Smith a better QB by being able to get open and become the clutch receiver a young QB like Smith needs to rely on when things break downNot quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's...This is a good move for the 49ers.
1.06 - Vernon Davis
1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)
Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.![]()
Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's...This is a good move for the 49ers.
1.06 - Vernon Davis
1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)
Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.![]()
That was my first thought after hearing Denver made this trade.I'm convinced Shanhan is looking to get Walker. The Packers have intimated they need a high second rounder and maybe a player in return.
Didn't EJ have Rattay and the other guy throwing to him though? He had a ton of receptions but hardly any TD's. I agree that V.Davis is a better playmaker than EJ, but I just don't have any faith in Alex Smith. Since he's young he might be looking to force something downfield to make something happen.Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's...This is a good move for the 49ers.
1.06 - Vernon Davis
1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)
Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.![]()
Todd Heap.What do I win?Quick! Someone name me a stud TE that doesn't have a decent qb throwing to him.
You got me! I almost forgot about him since he hasn't played in about the last 2 or 3 years due to injury.Todd Heap.What do I win?Quick! Someone name me a stud TE that doesn't have a decent qb throwing to him.
You are too quick to peg Alex Smith as a bad QB. You are forgetting he was good enough to go #1 overall. Not, like Guys like Rattay who you think were decent and were drafted 7th round 212 overall.Didn't EJ have Rattay and the other guy throwing to him though? He had a ton of receptions but hardly any TD's. I agree that V.Davis is a better playmaker than EJ, but I just don't have any faith in Alex Smith. Since he's young he might be looking to force something downfield to make something happen.Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's...This is a good move for the 49ers.
1.06 - Vernon Davis
1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)
Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.![]()
I'm pretty sure he helped a lot of people win their leagues last year. He tore it up coming down the stretch.You got me! I almost forgot about him since he hasn't played in about the last 2 or 3 years due to injury.Todd Heap.What do I win?Quick! Someone name me a stud TE that doesn't have a decent qb throwing to him.![]()
I'm just saying that Rattay seemed to have "some" poise while in there. Alex Smith looked lost. There have been plenty of bust qb's go in the first round. I'm not necessarily calling him a bust. I'm just not sold on him as a franchise qb.You are too quick to peg Alex Smith as a bad QB. You are forgetting he was good enough to go #1 overall. Not, like Guys like Rattay who you think were decent and were drafted 7th round 212 overall.Didn't EJ have Rattay and the other guy throwing to him though? He had a ton of receptions but hardly any TD's. I agree that V.Davis is a better playmaker than EJ, but I just don't have any faith in Alex Smith. Since he's young he might be looking to force something downfield to make something happen.Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's...This is a good move for the 49ers.
1.06 - Vernon Davis
1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)
Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.![]()
I'll confirm this also.What if the 49ers offer the 22 to Green Bay for Walker? The 3 teams interested are the Broncos, Eagles, and 49ers correct? Unless Lelie is involved, I'm not sure Denver helped themselves in the Walker sweepstakes.Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
I'm pretty sure he helped a lot of people win their leagues last year. He tore it up coming down the stretch.You got me! I almost forgot about him since he hasn't played in about the last 2 or 3 years due to injury.Todd Heap.What do I win?Quick! Someone name me a stud TE that doesn't have a decent qb throwing to him.![]()
IMO this is doubtful...it sounded as if the Niners were unwilling to even give their 2nd to GB for Walker from what I heard. My first thought was that the Donkeys would use the newly acquired pick to get Walker in some fashion.I'll confirm this also.What if the 49ers offer the 22 to Green Bay for Walker? The 3 teams interested are the Broncos, Eagles, and 49ers correct? Unless Lelie is involved, I'm not sure Denver helped themselves in the Walker sweepstakes.Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
What about SF now giving GB pick #22 for Walker?![]()
Sorry, but I have to disagree. The '04 offense is considerably worse than the projected '06 offense in almost every regard. I mean, they did end up with the #1 overall pick. People have too high of expectations for rookie QBs. Eli Manning didn't exactly light the world on fire. And going into year 3, most people have that guy as a franchise QB.I'm just saying that Rattay seemed to have "some" poise while in there. Alex Smith looked lost. There have been plenty of bust qb's go in the first round. I'm not necessarily calling him a bust. I'm just not sold on him as a franchise qb.You are too quick to peg Alex Smith as a bad QB. You are forgetting he was good enough to go #1 overall. Not, like Guys like Rattay who you think were decent and were drafted 7th round 212 overall.Didn't EJ have Rattay and the other guy throwing to him though? He had a ton of receptions but hardly any TD's. I agree that V.Davis is a better playmaker than EJ, but I just don't have any faith in Alex Smith. Since he's young he might be looking to force something downfield to make something happen.Eric Johnson did pretty well with less in '04.Not quite. They did acquire Larry Allen, who while obviously not what he once was can still bring it. Alex Smith is a year older. Gore played pretty well. And I guess I like Antonio Bryant more than most and think Arnaz Battle will emerge as a viable #2.Not as dire as you paint it.Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's...This is a good move for the 49ers.
1.06 - Vernon Davis
1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)
Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.![]()
DeAngelo Williams isn't making it past #21.Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
GB a voice of reason!People need to step away from the fantasy buffet table.
While SF may now easily take TE Davis, they should definitely go defense at 22. RB is not their greatest need.
Quit expecting every team to go non-RBBC. We'd be lucky to see just one RB land in a non-RBBC situation. It would be silly to think otherwise.
Ditto for Denver. They are a Championship calibre team (NFL, not your local Fantasy league). They could use a DE at the 15 spot. If they want Lendale White, it would be at the 15 spot as well. There is no chance of him lasting to the 2nd round. White may be immature, but he is extremely talented at playing football.
Rookie fever... catch it.
I was thinking about this exact thing when I saw the trade. In fact, DeAngelo to Denver at 22 was coming up in mocks, including my own. After the Caddy/Gruden love affair in 05, I was not about to ignore the Nolan-Deangelo love.Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
Any specific info, or just a strong feeling NE will want him. NE is so hard to read...DeAngelo Williams isn't making it past #21.Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
Not going to happen. They offered GB a 2007 2nd rounder which was refuse but they said they would take a 2006 2nd rounder.What about SF now giving GB pick #22 for Walker?![]()
I was thinking this also.They need to do something to inject life into a dead/dying franchise1.1To where?SF trying to move up from 6?
I don't think SF would do this. They just have to many glaring needs.I was thinking this also.They need to do something to inject life into a dead/dying franchise1.1To where?SF trying to move up from 6?
They whiffed last year on Smith.
What better way to sell tickets and help improve their image for future free agents than bringing in Bush.
Just my![]()
Lendale White to Denver....book it
could you imagine?! thats a great first round for SF if they can pull it off, or something similar!Interesting. Could we then see a trade with the Cowboys, who are apparently looking to trade up to get Huff? Not sure what the 'Boys would have to give up, but the rumors are there.Still a combo of Vernon Davis and DeAngelo Williams would be an A++ grade for the first roundMike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
No doubt in my mind this is why the 49ers did the trade. I remembered reading that during the Senior Bowl. I thought the same thing when I read this today. My question is, why did Denver? I remember reading somewhere that Denver has salary cap issues for this year and can't afford the two firsts. Perhaps that sheds light on why they did it as well. Anyone else hear that?Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
This is the truth, folks.I'm sure the Niners are targeting two or three players they can pick up here, but I don't think they are leaving the first round without a defensive player.6--VD
22--Best D player available, most likely a guy who can play 3-4 OLB.
DeAngelo will not be picked at 22.
If this is true then look for them to move before NE on draft day...DeAngelo Williams isn't making it past #21.Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.
Fine. Maybe they get Hawk in the first. Maybe Huff. The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way. Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error. There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real. Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason. The way he runs it could be a big issue.The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience. He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc. So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.This is the truth, folks.I'm sure the Niners are targeting two or three players they can pick up here, but I don't think they are leaving the first round without a defensive player.6--VD
22--Best D player available, most likely a guy who can play 3-4 OLB.
DeAngelo will not be picked at 22.
Heap -->> Boller = incompetentAin't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's...This is a good move for the 49ers.
1.06 - Vernon Davis
1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)
Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.If he were to drop to the 2nd round maybe...but I wouldn't spend a first rounder on him.
Freak or not, you gotta have a competent qb to get you the ball. Preferably one that won't be on his back very often.
Quick! Someone name me a stud TE that doesn't have a decent qb throwing to him.
Gates = Brees = competent
Gonzalez = Green = competent
Crumpler = Vick = somewhat competent![]()
Shockey = Manning = competent
...ya get the point. Alex Smith doesn't seem like he can cut it. But I'm willing to give him this year before I mail it in.
If they want him bad enough, NE can deal from a surplus of picks to move up to get D Williams.If this is true then look for them to move before NE on draft day...DeAngelo Williams isn't making it past #21.Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl. He singled him out for praise on three different occasions. I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock. If he's there at 22. He's a 9er.
ETA: No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff. Williams made a very big impression on them.