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Denver Broncos Trade the 22nd Pick (1 Viewer)

Why in the world would SF take Ferguson (if he's there) at 6??? They have one of the highest paid LT's in the NFL coming back off an early injury last year in Jennings. What SF desperately needs is a RT. At 22, they can get a very good one, ready to start. They may have wanted to jump the Jets at 29 for that RT, another team in dire need of a RT.  I just don't see SF paying over 10 mil a year for bookend OT's.

Davis, Huff, Hawk are all resonable possibilities at 6. Ferguson just isn't, no way.
Have to disagree. Most successful NFL front offices seem to draft BPA in the first round, rather than for need (Patriots, Ravens, etc.). If the 49ers rate Ferguson ahead of Davis, Huff, Hawk, he makes plenty of sense. Kwame Harris obviously isn't a great lineman - move D'Brick or Jennings to RT and have a pair of very good - great tackles. With a line of Ferguson, Larry Allen, David Baas, Justin Smiley/Adam Snyder, and Jennings (L-R) the 49ers would be a VERY effective running offense, and have very good pass protection as well.In short, I believe Nolan needs to take BPA (minus QB for salary cap reasons), and to me that list would be Ferguson, Davis, Hawk, Huff.
Do you realise at this point in his career, that Ferguson is actually a slightly below average run blocker? He has ONE position, and one position only.... LT. Yes, BAP is always imprtant in the top ten, but what is the separation between the available players? Drafting Ferguson would make as much sense as taking Leinart. But, according to you, if Leinart is at the top of their BAP, they should take him anyway? The thing that you seem to think, that Ferguson could be just as good a RT as a LT, is perhaps why I say you are dead wrong. They need (just like the Jets) a dominant run blocking RT, and that isn't Jennings OR Ferguson. They can pick up a Justice or a Winston at 22, and improve the team much more than getting a guy at 6 to play out of position. That would be like SD taking an RB with their first round pick.... it makes NO sense to me whatsoever.

You sit there and say no QB due to the cap, but are willing to tie up millions and millions in two OLT's? When you don't have to? They need so much help, a redundant pick like that, and Nolan should be fired on the spot, period. :boxing:
You make a pretty convincing argument. I agree that Brick is better suited to LT than RT, but I still believe either he or Jennings could move to RT and succeed. IF both could ONLY play LT, then I would agree Ferguson would not make sense. I suppose I'm presenting an argument as to why it could make sense for the 49ers to take Ferguson over Davis. From a BPA perspective, I'd still rank them Ferguson, Davis, Hawk, Huff. From a FAN'S perspective (which I am), I'm hoping they take Davis for his pure freak-osity. Of course, that's why I'm just a dweeb posting on a message board, and not in the Niners war room. :D

 
Why in the world would SF take Ferguson (if he's there) at 6??? They have one of the highest paid LT's in the NFL coming back off an early injury last year in Jennings. What SF desperately needs is a RT. At 22, they can get a very good one, ready to start. They may have wanted to jump the Jets at 29 for that RT, another team in dire need of a RT.  I just don't see SF paying over 10 mil a year for bookend OT's.

Davis, Huff, Hawk are all resonable possibilities at 6. Ferguson just isn't, no way.
Have to disagree. Most successful NFL front offices seem to draft BPA in the first round, rather than for need (Patriots, Ravens, etc.). If the 49ers rate Ferguson ahead of Davis, Huff, Hawk, he makes plenty of sense. Kwame Harris obviously isn't a great lineman - move D'Brick or Jennings to RT and have a pair of very good - great tackles. With a line of Ferguson, Larry Allen, David Baas, Justin Smiley/Adam Snyder, and Jennings (L-R) the 49ers would be a VERY effective running offense, and have very good pass protection as well.In short, I believe Nolan needs to take BPA (minus QB for salary cap reasons), and to me that list would be Ferguson, Davis, Hawk, Huff.
Agreed - It would be unfathomable for the 49ers to pass on Brick if he is available, except maybe if Bush was still on th board.
 
Am I the only one who thinks the Niners would be fools to pass on Hawk/Ferguson in favor of Davis?
D'Brick would be a no-brainer and it would be a toss up between Hawk and VD. I know the 49ers defense is terrible, but they need to get their offense figured out now so that Alex Smith can develop. You don't draft one piece of a puzzle like Alex Smith and then leave out the rest of the pieces. VD looks like he'll be able to make Alex Smith's job a lot easier and help him get some of his confidence back. The last thing the 49ers should do is put him through another season like his rookie year.
 
Oddly the 9ers OL is not a weak spot.  They're very high on Adam Snyder who played decently at LT last season.  He's perfectly suited to RT for the long run.  It's Davis, Hawk, or Huff, imo.
VERY high on Snyder? He did OK last year, but I still think SF needs another OT, maybe one that is suited for both sides, LT and RT, because they have zero depth, even if Snyder works out. But, on point, that guy isn't Ferguson.
Uh every heard of Jonas Jennings?They don't need a tackle, AT ALL.

 
Did all you guys who think taking Ferguson is a bad pick because Jennings is coming back from inury forget that Johnson is coming back too? Ferguson or Jennings could certianly play RT with a little bit of work.

 
Why in the world would SF take Ferguson (if he's there) at 6??? They have one of the highest paid LT's in the NFL coming back off an early injury last year in Jennings. What SF desperately needs is a RT. At 22, they can get a very good one, ready to start. They may have wanted to jump the Jets at 29 for that RT, another team in dire need of a RT. I just don't see SF paying over 10 mil a year for bookend OT's.

Davis, Huff, Hawk are all resonable possibilities at 6. Ferguson just isn't, no way.
Have to disagree. Most successful NFL front offices seem to draft BPA in the first round, rather than for need (Patriots, Ravens, etc.). If the 49ers rate Ferguson ahead of Davis, Huff, Hawk, he makes plenty of sense. Kwame Harris obviously isn't a great lineman - move D'Brick or Jennings to RT and have a pair of very good - great tackles. With a line of Ferguson, Larry Allen, David Baas, Justin Smiley/Adam Snyder, and Jennings (L-R) the 49ers would be a VERY effective running offense, and have very good pass protection as well.In short, I believe Nolan needs to take BPA (minus QB for salary cap reasons), and to me that list would be Ferguson, Davis, Hawk, Huff.
Do you realise at this point in his career, that Ferguson is actually a slightly below average run blocker? He has ONE position, and one position only.... LT. Yes, BAP is always imprtant in the top ten, but what is the separation between the available players? Drafting Ferguson would make as much sense as taking Leinart. But, according to you, if Leinart is at the top of their BAP, they should take him anyway? The thing that you seem to think, that Ferguson could be just as good a RT as a LT, is perhaps why I say you are dead wrong. They need (just like the Jets) a dominant run blocking RT, and that isn't Jennings OR Ferguson. They can pick up a Justice or a Winston at 22, and improve the team much more than getting a guy at 6 to play out of position. That would be like SD taking an RB with their first round pick.... it makes NO sense to me whatsoever.

You sit there and say no QB due to the cap, but are willing to tie up millions and millions in two OLT's? When you don't have to? They need so much help, a redundant pick like that, and Nolan should be fired on the spot, period. :boxing:
You make a pretty convincing argument. I agree that Brick is better suited to LT than RT, but I still believe either he or Jennings could move to RT and succeed. IF both could ONLY play LT, then I would agree Ferguson would not make sense. I suppose I'm presenting an argument as to why it could make sense for the 49ers to take Ferguson over Davis. From a BPA perspective, I'd still rank them Ferguson, Davis, Hawk, Huff. From a FAN'S perspective (which I am), I'm hoping they take Davis for his pure freak-osity. Of course, that's why I'm just a dweeb posting on a message board, and not in the Niners war room. :D
How hard is it to find a great pass blocking LT? Run blocking RT's are easily available if you want to pony up the cash in FA, but it's impossible to get a good LT. From everything I've seen from D'Brick, he's got a good shot at being as good as Walter Jones. You don't pass on a guy like that who will make as a big of a difference on offense as a stud TE.
 
If the niners added Davis and Walker with Battle and Bryant, and still have Gore and Barlow carrying the ball. their offensive skill positions are set. I realise the 22nd pick for Walker is a steep price, but if walker produces like he did 2 years ago, its a bargain.

This opens up so many possibilities. Maybe SF wants to move up to #1 and they could with #6 and #22.

Maybe Denver sends their newly acquired 2nd rounder and Lelile to GB for Walker.

This is really exciting.

If the Pack trades Walker - do you think it will happen before the draft or on draft day?

 
This is really exciting.

If the Pack trades Walker - do you think it will happen before the draft or on draft day?
This is very exciting. I've got a major woody right now that may take a week & a half to go away.If DEN did trade with SF, they did it for a reason. They are a vet team with a few needs, but they need impact guys while the vets are still viable. That means they are playing for next season.

For just that reason, I would speculate that they didn't trade down to use both the lower picks. The one higher pick would have given them a high impact guy immediately. They traded down to move one or both of the picks they acquired.

When you throw in the speculation that this move coincides so well with Lelie running his mouth, I'd say that DEN made the trade with SF because they had the trade with Walker already in the bag with GB, and just had to make it work with SF to get the draft pick they needed to complete their trade with GB.

If DEN is after Walker, it'll happen fast.

 
Packers wanted niners 2nd for Walker...Broncos also have interest. Hmmmmm.......
Ayep, and now the Broncos need at WR might have become more urgent since Lelie is apparently unhappy.http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_3725256

Ashley Lelie's absence from the Broncos' offseason program may be the beginning of the end in Denver for the wide receiver.

Lelie, who is in the final year of his contract, would like to play where he has an opportunity to be a No. 1 receiver, according to two NFL sources. He doesn't think that is possible in Denver, where he has played since being the 19th pick in the 2002 draft. It appears likely that if he is not traded, this will be his final season here.

Lelie's representatives are gauging interest for a trade. Players with only one year remaining on their deals rarely have high trade value, and the Broncos may prefer to keep Lelie rather than dispatch the playmaker for a low-round pick.

... He has been inconsistent, but his deep-threat ability has kept opposing teams honest.

Denver's offseason workout program began April 3, but Lelie is working out on his own at a performance center in Tempe, Ariz. He could have earned a $100,000 bonus by participating in 90 percent of the voluntary workouts.

... Denver needs help at receiver and likely will add one in the draft's early rounds.

... The Broncos also have discussed the possibility of trading for disgruntled Green Bay receiver Javon Walker, who could be dealt before or during the draft. Lelie and a midround pick might be enough to entice Green Bay to part with Walker.

Teams that might have interest in Lelie include San Francisco, Philadelphia, New England and Seattle. There were rumors early in February that Lelie could be traded to the 49ers, but Shanahan said at the Pro Bowl the speculation was unfounded. In addition to Walker and Lelie, receivers Donte' Stallworth of New Orleans and Charles Rogers of Detroit reportedly have been shopped this offseason.

By picking up mid range draft picks they could package one or more of them plus the disgruntled Ashley Lelie for Javon. That could make alot of fantasy owners happy. :thumbup:

 
Did all you guys who think taking Ferguson is a bad pick because Jennings is coming back from inury forget that Johnson is coming back too? Ferguson or Jennings could certianly play RT with a little bit of work.
There's 22 starters, SF has about 18 holes.They invested big money in Jennings. They're not going to dump a bunch more into another tackle when Adam Snyder played farily well last year.

They just lost their best D player, and the #1 QB pick from last year has NO weapons on offense. The o-line is fine with Jennings coming back.

 
Did all you guys who think taking Ferguson is a bad pick because Jennings is coming back from inury forget that Johnson is coming back too? Ferguson or Jennings could certianly play RT with a little bit of work.
There's 22 starters, SF has about 18 holes.They invested big money in Jennings. They're not going to dump a bunch more into another tackle when Adam Snyder played farily well last year.

They just lost their best D player, and the #1 QB pick from last year has NO weapons on offense. The o-line is fine with Jennings coming back.
Having a fine Oline and a dominant one are vastly different, ask Sea and KC. With Jennings and D'Brick, SF could have a dominant unit and one that protects Smith (probably the thing he needs more than anything right now) with the NFLs elite. It is amazing how much better all those skill guys can look with 2 franchise hogs holding down the trenches. Ferguson is a rare talent and one they can't afford to let slip by IMO.
 
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I think Seattle should trade up, and move Walter Jones to RT because Ferguson is just soooo lights out awsome! So what if he's a below average run blocker, he's freakin awsome!

So, it's EASY to get a RT in FA? A year ago the Giants paid McKenzie an outlandish sum of money, and he's a good run blocker, below avg pass blocker, but no where near a pro bowl caliber player. The Jets offered Runyan, a one dimensional, old, run blocking RT 6 mil a year, and STILL couldn't sign him. Oh, sure RT's are easy to get. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Madden?

Now, pro bowl guards are getting massive contracts too. Look at Bentley and Hutchinson. Sorry.... I am getting a little frustrated with some of the stuff (most of the stuff) I'm seeing on message boards as the draft approaches. I need a vacation..... from silliness.

 
I think Seattle should trade up, and move Walter Jones to RT because Ferguson is just soooo lights out awsome! So what if he's a below average run blocker, he's freakin awsome!

So, it's EASY to get a RT in FA? A year ago the Giants paid McKenzie an outlandish sum of money, and he's a good run blocker, below avg pass blocker, but no where near a pro bowl caliber player. The Jets offered Runyan, a one dimensional, old, run blocking RT 6 mil a year, and STILL couldn't sign him. Oh, sure RT's are easy to get. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Madden?

Now, pro bowl guards are getting massive contracts too. Look at Bentley and Hutchinson. Sorry.... I am getting a little frustrated with some of the stuff (most of the stuff) I'm seeing on message boards as the draft approaches. I need a vacation..... from silliness.
Yeah, we're all just being silly.... LinkThe seperation that Feguson creates above Justice is awful striking and this is not message board foder here. Justice is a damn good tackle and prospect.

 
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As a Packer fan I would not be all that thrilled about acquiring Lelie, and I could not ever see him being a #1 WR for them. The cobination of him, Driver, Gardner, and 10 minutes of Ferguson before he gets hurt, would be a decent group, but I'll definitely miss the talent of Walker.

If Lelie comes with pick #37, sign me up. Thompson would be a fool to pass that up. Even Lelie and a 3rd or some pick swap should atleast be considered. I'd also be plenty thrilled to just get pick #37 for Walker and end this whole thing in order to allow everyone to move on.

 
This is really exciting. 

If the Pack trades Walker - do you think it will happen before the draft or on draft day?
This is very exciting. I've got a major woody right now that may take a week & a half to go away.If DEN did trade with SF, they did it for a reason. They are a vet team with a few needs, but they need impact guys while the vets are still viable. That means they are playing for next season.

For just that reason, I would speculate that they didn't trade down to use both the lower picks. The one higher pick would have given them a high impact guy immediately. They traded down to move one or both of the picks they acquired.

When you throw in the speculation that this move coincides so well with Lelie running his mouth, I'd say that DEN made the trade with SF because they had the trade with Walker already in the bag with GB, and just had to make it work with SF to get the draft pick they needed to complete their trade with GB.

If DEN is after Walker, it'll happen fast.
Count me among those with major woodies. The suspense is killing me.I'd like to see Denver get Walker for just pick 37, and keep Lelie for his final year as a deep threat from the slot. Imagine that offense. Wow.

 
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I think Seattle should trade up, and move Walter Jones to RT because Ferguson is just soooo lights out awsome! So what if he's a below average run blocker, he's freakin awsome!

So, it's EASY to get a RT in FA? A year ago the Giants paid McKenzie an outlandish sum of money, and he's a good run blocker, below avg pass blocker, but no where near a pro bowl caliber player. The Jets offered Runyan, a one dimensional, old, run blocking RT 6 mil a year, and STILL couldn't sign him. Oh, sure RT's are easy to get. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Madden?

Now, pro bowl guards are getting massive contracts too. Look at Bentley and Hutchinson. Sorry.... I am getting a little frustrated with some of the stuff (most of the stuff) I'm seeing on message boards as the draft approaches. I need a vacation..... from silliness.
So the Jets didn't pony up enough bonus money to get him to move, that's normal. The Jags signed Stockar McDougle and the Cowboys signed Jason Fabini. Kevin Shaffer was the only LT that I know of who changed teams during free agency and the Falcons had to give him a ton of money.Part of the reason McKenzie got that contract is because he was only 25 and the Giants thought he can get better. His contract was similar to Shaffer's and Jonas Jenning's contracts, but I think he is better at RT than they are at LT.

 
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I think Seattle should trade up, and move Walter Jones to RT because Ferguson is just soooo lights out awsome! So what if he's a below average run blocker, he's freakin awsome!

So, it's EASY to get a RT in FA? A year ago the Giants paid McKenzie an outlandish sum of money, and he's a good run blocker, below avg pass blocker, but no where near a pro bowl caliber player. The Jets offered Runyan, a one dimensional, old, run blocking RT 6 mil a year, and STILL couldn't sign him. Oh, sure RT's are easy to get. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Madden?

Now, pro bowl guards are getting massive contracts too. Look at Bentley and Hutchinson. Sorry.... I am getting a little frustrated with some of the stuff (most of the stuff) I'm seeing on message boards as the draft approaches. I need a vacation..... from silliness.
Yeah, we're all just being silly.... LinkThe seperation that Feguson creates above Justice is awful striking and this is not message board foder here. Justice is a damn good tackle and prospect.
I've been saying this for a long time now.... Ferguson is the MOST over rated player in this draft. He is a one dimensional pass blocking LT, period. It's like he's been annointed as the sure fire can't miss guy in this draft. Guess what? He can be a bust. He could be a below his draft pick performer like Gallery too. He could develop into a pro bowl LT in 3 or 4 years. I agree, he's no Mike Williams, but the Ferguson bus is skipping stops because it's so full.... reminds me ever so much of Gallery. The guy is a KNOWN BELOW AVERAGE RUN BLOCKER.
 
I think Seattle should trade up, and move Walter Jones to RT because Ferguson is just soooo lights out awsome! So what if he's a below average run blocker, he's freakin awsome!

So, it's EASY to get a RT in FA? A year ago the Giants paid McKenzie an outlandish sum of money, and he's a good run blocker, below avg pass blocker, but no where near a pro bowl caliber player. The Jets offered Runyan, a one dimensional, old, run blocking RT 6 mil a year, and STILL couldn't sign him. Oh, sure RT's are easy to get. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Madden?

Now, pro bowl guards are getting massive contracts too. Look at Bentley and Hutchinson. Sorry.... I am getting a little frustrated with some of the stuff (most of the stuff) I'm seeing on message boards as the draft approaches. I need a vacation..... from silliness.
Yeah, we're all just being silly.... LinkThe seperation that Feguson creates above Justice is awful striking and this is not message board foder here. Justice is a damn good tackle and prospect.
I've been saying this for a long time now.... Ferguson is the MOST over rated player in this draft. He is a one dimensional pass blocking LT, period. It's like he's been annointed as the sure fire can't miss guy in this draft. Guess what? He can be a bust. He could be a below his draft pick performer like Gallery too. He could develop into a pro bowl LT in 3 or 4 years. I agree, he's no Mike Williams, but the Ferguson bus is skipping stops because it's so full.... reminds me ever so much of Gallery. The guy is a KNOWN BELOW AVERAGE RUN BLOCKER.
The biggest job of a LT is pass blocking, which isn't easy with the speed rushers in the NFL. Run blocking is nice, but there's a reason why so many highly drafted potential LT's in the draft get moved to RT - it tough to stop the pass rush. A RT doesn't have nearly the pass blocking trouble of a LT and can be fine being a very good run blocker and ok pass blocker. There's no such thing as an ok pass blocking LT. Regarding Gallery, he hasn't been playing at LT and should get moved there this year. He's still capable of the job but needs to get over there and get good coaching.

 
Whether or not San Francisco should or would take Ferguson is basically a moot point since D.Brick almost certainly will be gone by 6 anyway.

And that's fine. If the Niners take Vernon Davis, he steps right in and makes Alex Smith a better player, and that *has* to be the #1 priority for the franchise. And now they've also positioned themselves to take a defensive starter who they figure thay have to move up to get (Cromartie? Bobby Capenter?) Those kind of names make sense, because those were guys who might have projected falling to them in the second a few weeks ago and might have started targeting. Or maybe they just like the idea that a Manny Lawson, Jonathan Joseph or Jason Allen could conceivably be there. Either way, after two picks they've already had an excellent draft.

As for the Broncos, there would seem to be a number of ways this work out nicely for them too. For example, maybe they bumped down to get Addai in the second.

 
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Do you Den fans trust Bell as the main guy for next year?
Not necessarily, but I trust Shanny to make the running game go.
I don't trust Bell either, but I believe Denver will draft a RB in round 2 or 3 that will go RBBC w/ Dayne and Bell, throw Cobb in for good measure. After training camp, someone will emerge.Shannahan has never drafted a RB in the first - the highest he ever picked one was Bell, early in the 2nd. All of the LenDale/DeAngelo talk was :arousing:, but I never saw that actually happening.

 
I think Seattle should trade up, and move Walter Jones to RT because Ferguson is just soooo lights out awsome! So what if he's a below average run blocker, he's freakin awsome!

So, it's EASY to get a RT in FA? A year ago the Giants paid McKenzie an outlandish sum of money, and he's a good run blocker, below avg pass blocker, but no where near a pro bowl caliber player. The Jets offered Runyan, a one dimensional, old, run blocking RT 6 mil a year, and STILL couldn't sign him. Oh, sure RT's are easy to get. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Madden?

Now, pro bowl guards are getting massive contracts too. Look at Bentley and Hutchinson. Sorry.... I am getting a little frustrated with some of the stuff (most of the stuff) I'm seeing on message boards as the draft approaches. I need a vacation..... from silliness.
Yeah, we're all just being silly.... LinkThe seperation that Feguson creates above Justice is awful striking and this is not message board foder here. Justice is a damn good tackle and prospect.
I've been saying this for a long time now.... Ferguson is the MOST over rated player in this draft. He is a one dimensional pass blocking LT, period. It's like he's been annointed as the sure fire can't miss guy in this draft. Guess what? He can be a bust. He could be a below his draft pick performer like Gallery too. He could develop into a pro bowl LT in 3 or 4 years. I agree, he's no Mike Williams, but the Ferguson bus is skipping stops because it's so full.... reminds me ever so much of Gallery. The guy is a KNOWN BELOW AVERAGE RUN BLOCKER.
The biggest job of a LT is pass blocking, which isn't easy with the speed rushers in the NFL. Run blocking is nice, but there's a reason why so many highly drafted potential LT's in the draft get moved to RT - it tough to stop the pass rush. A RT doesn't have nearly the pass blocking trouble of a LT and can be fine being a very good run blocker and ok pass blocker. There's no such thing as an ok pass blocking LT. Regarding Gallery, he hasn't been playing at LT and should get moved there this year. He's still capable of the job but needs to get over there and get good coaching.
Agreed on all points except the OK pass blocking LT comment. While I think Ferguson is over rated, I still think he's cetainly a top ten value.... he's the best pass blocking LT to come out in years, literally. There are quite a few OK LT's in the NFL.... I don't think it's quite that black and white. Fabini was an OK LT for about five years for the Jets. He could, and did get beaten, but not consistantly, up until 2003. Classic example of a LT that was "good enough". The other, more often overlooked thing is the offensive scheme. Teams that use a stationary pocket and 5 and seven step straight back drops have more need of a very good LT. Zone blocking offenses, and those offenses that use schemes where the pocket will shift and move around, have less of a need for a great LT, in terms of pass blocking.

Jurb.... don't take my previous comment so personally.... that was a general comment, really, as I am active on several MB's, and there is some real idiocy running rampant on some of the Jets boards I frequent. However, I will call that comment that "It's easy to get a RT in FA" as silliness. It's easy if you move fast and have the kind of cap space a GB has, but as a general comment, it's foolishness.

 
so they traded up with Atlanta but traded down with SF...what's going on here?
Deals too good to pass up. They've had the better end of both deals.
I disagree I think that the Niner deal was pretty even. The 49ers feel they need an impact Defensive player and I am sure they feel that person is more likely to be around in the late first than in the early 2nd. They still have their other 3rd round pick and still have 10 total draft picks.
 
First thoughts on trade - hy did Denver move dwn instead of up?

Second thought - Denver will be making a play for Javon Walker.

Final thought - It's good / great news for Ron Dayne owners. :banned: :banned: :banned:

All the mocks that had Denver taking an RB were doing so with their 1.22. And if Denver doesn't invest a 1st in an RB, Dayne has an betterthan even chance to open the season as their top back.

Denver could go RB at 1.15 but that would be totally out of character for the Skeletor.

 
First thoughts on trade - hy did Denver move dwn instead of up?

Second thought - Denver will be making a play for Javon Walker.

Final thought - It's good / great news for Ron Dayne owners. :banned: :banned: :banned:

All the mocks that had Denver taking an RB were doing so with their 1.22. And if Denver doesn't invest a 1st in an RB, Dayne has an betterthan even chance to open the season as their top back.

Denver could go RB at 1.15 but that would be totally out of character for the Skeletor.
Why is this great news for Dayne owners? I'm still aboard his Trayne but Shanahan has never taken a rb before the second round-and his track record is fairly solid. They'll still take a back and he'll still cause conniptions for fantasy owners everywhere.
 
First thoughts on trade - hy did Denver move dwn instead of up?

Second thought - Denver will be making a play for Javon Walker.

Final thought - It's good / great news for Ron Dayne owners. :banned: :banned: :banned:

All the mocks that had Denver taking an RB were doing so with their 1.22. And if Denver doesn't invest a 1st in an RB, Dayne has an betterthan even chance to open the season as their top back.

Denver could go RB at 1.15 but that would be totally out of character for the Skeletor.
Why is this great news for Dayne owners? I'm still aboard his Trayne but Shanahan has never taken a rb before the second round-and his track record is fairly solid. They'll still take a back and he'll still cause conniptions for fantasy owners everywhere.
My gut instinct knowing how much Shanahan like backs who can block tells me that Addai will be the Broncos' 2nd round pick.
 
I agree. Doesn't moving down actually make the Broncos more likely to take a RB who can challenge Dayne/Bell?

It seemed unlikely they were going to use that 22nd pick on a RB, but a guy like Joseph Addai would seemingly have pretty decent value with that early second round pick.

 
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I agree. Doesn't moving down actually make the Broncos more likely to take a RB who can challenge Dayne/Bell?

It seemed unlikely they were going to use that 22nd pick on a RB, but a guy like Joseph Addai would seemingly have pretty decent value with that early second round pick.
Addai is definitely a possibility. After losing Mike Anderson they really don't have a back with any solid blocking skills and that is one of Addai's strengths.
 
This does look like Denver getting in position to move Lelie and the 2nd round pick to GB for Walker, which would be good for both sides...

Also, if SF is really high on Mario and Hawk, then I could see them packaging the #6 and #22 pick and send them to the Jets for the #4 pick...

They definately have Hawk at 4... and the Jets can get a QB and another strong player at 22...

Of course... this is just some random thoughts after hearing about the trade...

 
Maybe Denver wants to draft a TE but decided against sacrificing a boatload of draft picks for Vernon Davis. Pope and Lewis have been falling in most rankings. Denver could conceivably snag one of these guys with the 37th pick. Just a theory.

 
Does anyone thing this has something to do with Lendale White's stock dropping lately that Shanny thinks he can get him with the #35 pick?
No way LenDale falls to the 2nd round. Carolina will pick him up before he gets out of the first. Fox has man love for White.
If not LenDale, then perhaps Addai, Maroney, etc. It is entirely likely that one of the top 5 RB's not named Bush will fall into the early 2nd round. Or, Shannahan has given up on the Vernon Davis lottery, and put himself in position to take the second best TE on the board, and then an obsucre RB at the end of the first.

I do think a WR in the first is a lock, however.
Or with all the depth in this years draft and the meat and potatoes positions, Denver could take D. Williams at 15, trade for Walker and still have 5 picks on day one to add quality players for depth.
 
Do you Den fans trust Bell as the main guy for next year?
No. But I trust the Dayne/Bell tandem. If DEN decides to go with the vets, they've got a great shot @ 2 1,000+ yd rushers next year. That's as good as having 1 uber-stud in the backfield.
 
I think the 49ers are setting themselves up with a number of scenarios:

1) If Hawk, Mario or Brick fall to them, they take whomever they have ranked highest (probably Mario > Brick > Hawk).

2) If they don't fall, this means that at least 2 QB's are still on the board (Those 3 taken + Bush + 1 QB = 5 picks gone). In this case, they shop their pick, hoping to entice someone who wants a QB, but needs to hop in front of Oakland, or some other team, to get him.

3) If they can't shop the pick to their satisfaction, they take V Davis.

I think their 2nd first rounder is dependant on their first. If they go V Davis, I think they take the BPA 3-4 OLB left, or another defensive pick. If they go defense or Brick, they go D Williams, if he is available. If they go D Williams, I can see them trying to move Barlow on draft day for an extra pick.

I think V Davis is the 3rd option "consolation" prize, if you will, because (1) Nolan is a defensive coach, and (2) they have helped out Alex Smith by upgrading their WR's and OL this offseason. In fact, their big name FA has pretty much all been Offense, which in my mind points to Defense in the draft as a priority.

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Maybe Denver wants to draft a TE but decided against sacrificing a boatload of draft picks for Vernon Davis. Pope and Lewis have been falling in most rankings. Denver could conceivably snag one of these guys with the 37th pick. Just a theory.
I agree with this. Lewis was on their radar back when he was a late 1st rounder. He has slipped into the second round, and now the Broncos have followed.At this point, I don't see Denver trading for Walker. He's going to come at a huge cost (early 2nd rounder) and they're going to need to pay the guy a ton, which they don't have. Walkers main beef in GB is the $$$. At least GB has cap space. What on earth will Denver do? They'd expect to keep him under the original contract if they're sending their 2nd for him. If they really wanted to pick up an additional WR in trade this off season, they could have had Moulds for far less. At least he has a history of performing, and a good attitude.

 
Maybe Denver wants to draft a TE but decided against sacrificing a boatload of draft picks for Vernon Davis.  Pope and Lewis have been falling in most rankings.  Denver could conceivably snag one of these guys with the 37th pick.  Just a theory.
I agree with this. Lewis was on their radar back when he was a late 1st rounder. He has slipped into the second round, and now the Broncos have followed.At this point, I don't see Denver trading for Walker. He's going to come at a huge cost (early 2nd rounder) and they're going to need to pay the guy a ton, which they don't have. Walkers main beef in GB is the $$$. At least GB has cap space. What on earth will Denver do? They'd expect to keep him under the original contract if they're sending their 2nd for him. If they really wanted to pick up an additional WR in trade this off season, they could have had Moulds for far less. At least he has a history of performing, and a good attitude.
If the Broncos just wanted to trade down to get extra picks, waiting until draft day might have made more sense. Its at least possible that they did this to position themselves to get Walker. Its definitely consistent with the timing of the trade.At least one of Lewis and Pope will be there at 37. Maybe both. I would take my chances on getting Klopfenstein or Byrd with that early 3rd if I were the Broncs.

 
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I really like this move for Denver, early second round picks this year are almost like first rounders in terms of talent, at a discounted price. This helps Denver save a few bucks, as they no longer have to sign 2 first rounders, and only had to move down 15 slots. A few of the people Denver was projected to take at 1.22 (Pope etc.) could easily become available in the second round.

If Denver is going to trade a 2nd and Lelie for Jwalk (hopefully the late 2nd), who does Denver take in the first? It rules out WR; there is no real DE/DT that is worth the 15th overall selection (unless Bunkley drops, doubtful), a case can be made for Manny Lawson, but i doubt it, RB is very unlikely, as our backfield is fine, and the depth that we may need can easily be filled with a 2nd --> 4th rounder. The only real need left is a coverage safety.

 
At least one of Lewis and Pope will be there at 37. Maybe both. I would take my chances on getting Klopfenstein or Byrd with that early 3rd if I were the Broncs.
I think Klopfenstein is who they're looking to get.
 
I really like this move for Denver, early second round picks this year are almost like first rounders in terms of talent, at a discounted price. This helps Denver save a few bucks, as they no longer have to sign 2 first rounders, and only had to move down 15 slots. A few of the people Denver was projected to take at 1.22 (Pope etc.) could easily become available in the second round.

If Denver is going to trade a 2nd and Lelie for Jwalk (hopefully the late 2nd), who does Denver take in the first? It rules out WR; there is no real DE/DT that is worth the 15th overall selection (unless Bunkley drops, doubtful), a case can be made for Manny Lawson, but i doubt it, RB is very unlikely, as our backfield is fine, and the depth that we may need can easily be filled with a 2nd --> 4th rounder. The only real need left is a coverage safety.
I'm a lot higher on Kiwanuka than others it seems, if he can be had at the #37, and Denver trades for Walker, I'm scared for the rest of the West.@ 15, probably Allen.

That would be downright scary, to walk away with Allen, Walker, Kiwanuka and a decent RB in the 3rd or 4th.

 
I really like this move for Denver, early second round picks this year are almost like first rounders in terms of talent, at a discounted price. This helps Denver save a few bucks, as they no longer have to sign 2 first rounders, and only had to move down 15 slots. A few of the people Denver was projected to take at 1.22 (Pope etc.) could easily become available in the second round.

If Denver is going to trade a 2nd and Lelie for Jwalk (hopefully the late 2nd), who does Denver take in the first? It rules out WR; there is no real DE/DT that is worth the 15th overall selection (unless Bunkley drops, doubtful), a case can be made for Manny Lawson, but i doubt it,  RB is very unlikely, as our backfield is fine, and the depth that we may need can easily be filled with a 2nd --> 4th rounder. The only real need left is a coverage safety.
I'm a lot higher on Kiwanuka than others it seems, if he can be had at the #37, and Denver trades for Walker, I'm scared for the rest of the West.@ 15, probably Allen.

That would be downright scary, to walk away with Allen, Walker, Kiwanuka and a decent RB in the 3rd or 4th.
that can very well happen, plus Denver has 3 4th rounders......depth depth depth, remeber last years CB splurge? I can see the same happening on our D-line. I am very happy to be a Denver fan and day 1 on draft day is gonna be fun :thumbup:
 
I really like this move for Denver, early second round picks this year are almost like first rounders in terms of talent, at a discounted price. This helps Denver save a few bucks, as they no longer have to sign 2 first rounders, and only had to move down 15 slots. A few of the people Denver was projected to take at 1.22 (Pope etc.) could easily become available in the second round.

If Denver is going to trade a 2nd and Lelie for Jwalk (hopefully the late 2nd), who does Denver take in the first? It rules out WR; there is no real DE/DT that is worth the 15th overall selection (unless Bunkley drops, doubtful), a case can be made for Manny Lawson, but i doubt it,  RB is very unlikely, as our backfield is fine, and the depth that we may need can easily be filled with a 2nd --> 4th rounder. The only real need left is a coverage safety.
I'm a lot higher on Kiwanuka than others it seems, if he can be had at the #37, and Denver trades for Walker, I'm scared for the rest of the West.@ 15, probably Allen.

That would be downright scary, to walk away with Allen, Walker, Kiwanuka and a decent RB in the 3rd or 4th.
that can very well happen, plus Denver has 3 4th rounders......depth depth depth, remeber last years CB splurge? I can see the same happening on our D-line. I am very happy to be a Denver fan and day 1 on draft day is gonna be fun :thumbup:
If Denver's draft day goes as well as the pre-draft ramp up, the fans are going to be very happy.
 
I think Seattle should trade up, and move Walter Jones to RT because Ferguson is just soooo lights out awsome! So what if he's a below average run blocker, he's freakin awsome!

So, it's EASY to get a RT in FA? A year ago the Giants paid McKenzie an outlandish sum of money, and he's a good run blocker, below avg pass blocker, but no where near a pro bowl caliber player. The Jets offered Runyan, a one dimensional, old, run blocking RT 6 mil a year, and STILL couldn't sign him. Oh, sure RT's are easy to get. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Madden?

Now, pro bowl guards are getting massive contracts too. Look at Bentley and Hutchinson. Sorry.... I am getting a little frustrated with some of the stuff (most of the stuff) I'm seeing on message boards as the draft approaches. I need a vacation..... from silliness.
So the Jets didn't pony up enough bonus money to get him to move, that's normal. The Jags signed Stockar McDougle and the Cowboys signed Jason Fabini. Kevin Shaffer was the only LT that I know of who changed teams during free agency and the Falcons had to give him a ton of money.Part of the reason McKenzie got that contract is because he was only 25 and the Giants thought he can get better. His contract was similar to Shaffer's and Jonas Jenning's contracts, but I think he is better at RT than they are at LT.
You can't be serious. McDougle absolutely is a HUGE bust, and was riding pine on a team that did not have a very good O line. Fabini, since he started to develop back problems a couple of years ago is awful.... I mean really awful. I, as were most Jet fans, was thrilled to see Fabini get cut. The Jets offer to Runyan was twice what the Eagles offered.... he simply didn't want to move. They offered Runyan PLENTY. He had just built a house and didn't want to yank his kids out of their school. Shaffer is no pro bowler either.

Why do people think Ferguson can play RT in the NFL? :confused: :shakesheadwalksaway:

 
I think this move makes great sense for the niners. I highly doubt they are looking to move up. This way they can get 2 impact players to fill much needed holes and play right away.

It works for Denver too because they don't have nearly as many immediate holes to fill and can afford to spend the time to develop 2nd and 3rd round players.

2005 draft:

1.06 - Pacman Jones

1.22 - Mark Clayon

2.05 (37) - Shaun Cody

3.04 (68) - Courtney Roby

This gives SF the opportunity to pick up 2 impact players who can start right away.

p.s.

Thay have plenty of capp room to sign 2 1st rounders.

 
I think this move makes great sense for the niners. I highly doubt they are looking to move up. This way they can get 2 impact players to fill much needed holes and play right away.

It works for Denver too because they don't have nearly as many immediate holes to fill and can afford to spend the time to develop 2nd and 3rd round players.

2005 draft:

1.06 - Pacman Jones

1.22 - Mark Clayon

2.05 (37) - Shaun Cody

3.04 (68) - Courtney Roby

This gives SF the opportunity to pick up 2 impact players who can start right away.

p.s.

Thay have plenty of capp room to sign 2 1st rounders.
Don't they have enough cap room to sign half the NFL at this point?
 
I think Seattle should trade up, and move Walter Jones to RT because Ferguson is just soooo lights out awsome! So what if he's a below average run blocker, he's freakin awsome!

So, it's EASY to get a RT in FA? A year ago the Giants paid McKenzie an outlandish sum of money, and he's a good run blocker, below avg pass blocker, but no where near a pro bowl caliber player. The Jets offered Runyan, a one dimensional, old, run blocking RT 6 mil a year, and STILL couldn't sign him. Oh, sure RT's are easy to get. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Madden?

Now, pro bowl guards are getting massive contracts too. Look at Bentley and Hutchinson. Sorry.... I am getting a little frustrated with some of the stuff (most of the stuff) I'm seeing on message boards as the draft approaches. I need a vacation..... from silliness.
So the Jets didn't pony up enough bonus money to get him to move, that's normal. The Jags signed Stockar McDougle and the Cowboys signed Jason Fabini. Kevin Shaffer was the only LT that I know of who changed teams during free agency and the Falcons had to give him a ton of money.Part of the reason McKenzie got that contract is because he was only 25 and the Giants thought he can get better. His contract was similar to Shaffer's and Jonas Jenning's contracts, but I think he is better at RT than they are at LT.
You can't be serious. McDougle absolutely is a HUGE bust, and was riding pine on a team that did not have a very good O line. Fabini, since he started to develop back problems a couple of years ago is awful.... I mean really awful. I, as were most Jet fans, was thrilled to see Fabini get cut. The Jets offer to Runyan was twice what the Eagles offered.... he simply didn't want to move. They offered Runyan PLENTY. He had just built a house and didn't want to yank his kids out of their school. Shaffer is no pro bowler either.

Why do people think Ferguson can play RT in the NFL? :confused: :shakesheadwalksaway:
You do realize that the majority of Ferguson's problems in run blocking steam from his lack of bulk and overall size I hope. He could stand to gain at least 10 lbs in his transition to the NFL and not loose his amazing quickness and feet. Some think he can add as much as 30 lbs. :shock:
 
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