Denver offered 2 firsts, a 2nd, 2 thirds and Al Wilson (1 Viewer)

[TheBradyBunch]

Peter King article which starts talking about offers Millen had for the 1.02 pick:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...0507/index.html

A month earlier Denver had offered two first-round picks, a second-rounder and two third-rounders, plus veteran linebacker Al Wilson, but when the Broncos wouldn't substitute another second-round pick for the injured Wilson, Millen turned them down. With that, the bar was set high.

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Wow!

 

[Slinger]

The legend that is Matt Millen continues.

 

[PatsWillWin]

 

[NorrisB]

Good

I have EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE On my team

 

[crimsonrebel]

Im not sure who was more stupid, Denver making this offer, or the Lions refusing it. Maybe if Denver had thrown in a WR instead of a lb lol.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So are we to assume the Broncos were aiming at CJ?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Denvers First rounders were too late in the draft. not that it matters cause Millen would have just blown those later picks anyway

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Wow. Just Wow. God Im glad Detroit is in our division!

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[T Bell]

Good 'ole Shanny! He was just trying to motivate me all the way from Denver to Detroit!

I that guy!

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Would anyone with more knowledge than me about the Lion's needs and the players in the draft mind speculating on what they could've roped in had they taken that deal?? Just curious to hear some "what could've been" thoughts...

 

[redman]

Would anyone with more knowledge than me about the Lion's needs and the players in the draft mind speculating on what they could've roped in had they taken that deal?? Just curious to hear some "what could've been" thoughts...

Well, two more first round WR's for starters . . .

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Peter King article which starts talking about offers Millen had for the 1.02 pick:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...0507/index.html

A month earlier Denver had offered two first-round picks, a second-rounder and two third-rounders, plus veteran linebacker Al Wilson, but when the Broncos wouldn't substitute another second-round pick for the injured Wilson, Millen turned them down. With that, the bar was set high.

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Wow!

This came out before the draft. For once, I think Millen did the right thing by declining it. Going from #2 to #21 iwould have been a huge jump and CJ may be a once in generation type of player.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Just read the article and this part REALLY caught my eye... maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's worth noting that Tatum Bell's name came up as the RB who would "flourish in formation s like this one"...

Martz took out a sheet of paper and drew a formation he expected to become a staple of his 2007 game plan: Roy Williams (the No. 7 pick in 2004) wide left, free-agent pickup and former Ram Shaun McDonald in the left slot, Mike Furrey (who combined with Williams for 180 catches and 2,396 yards last year) in the right slot and Johnson set wide right. "In this formation," Martz said, "you're going to get either Roy or Calvin deep, with no safety help. How do you defend that? Maybe Shaun on a shallow curl and Furrey down the field on a post taking the safeties with them." Marinelli said scatback Tatum Bell, acquired from Denver, should flourish in formations like this one, with the defense spread and running lanes open.

 

[-OZ-]

Peter King article which starts talking about offers Millen had for the 1.02 pick:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...0507/index.html

A month earlier Denver had offered two first-round picks, a second-rounder and two third-rounders, plus veteran linebacker Al Wilson, but when the Broncos wouldn't substitute another second-round pick for the injured Wilson, Millen turned them down. With that, the bar was set high.

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Wow!

This came out before the draft. For once, I think Millen did the right thing by declining it. Going from #2 to #21 iwould have been a huge jump and CJ may be a once in generation type of player.

Pretty much my thinking here as well. While the depth would be nice, you just can't give up a player like Johnson unless it would get you Joe Thomas or Gaines Adams +

 

[CravenM]

That offer sounds like something I'd do to a curmudgeon in my league who would rather "think" about a trade than actually "execute" one.

 

[Imedos]

Supposedly the Lions offered the cowboys a similar deal and dallas turned it down.

something like 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year, 1st next year, and either Witten or Ware(I think Ware).

Glad it didn't happen.

 

[mcjc4]

Would anyone with more knowledge than me about the Lion's needs and the players in the draft mind speculating on what they could've roped in had they taken that deal?? Just curious to hear some "what could've been" thoughts...

Well, two more first round WR's for starters . . .

Does no one else see the humor in this? That was subtle and funny.

 

[lions327]

Peter King article which starts talking about offers Millen had for the 1.02 pick:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...0507/index.html

A month earlier Denver had offered two first-round picks, a second-rounder and two third-rounders, plus veteran linebacker Al Wilson, but when the Broncos wouldn't substitute another second-round pick for the injured Wilson, Millen turned them down. With that, the bar was set high.

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Wow!

This came out before the draft. For once, I think Millen did the right thing by declining it. Going from #2 to #21 iwould have been a huge jump and CJ may be a once in generation type of player.

Pretty much my thinking here as well. While the depth would be nice, you just can't give up a player like Johnson unless it would get you Joe Thomas or Gaines Adams +

 

[Gatorman]

Maybe I look at the draft differently, but a team like detroit should have taken this deal. CJ is one player, and one player who is going to cost a lot of money. If he gets hurt, the cap and the team takes a big hit. If he is a Bust, the cap and the team takes a big hit.

With all those picks, you can build a team that is younger and any one player gets hurt, it doesn't kill your team. If they move down to 21 and take a DT like Branch and a WR like Gonzalez + all those other picks they are sitting very pretty.

I only wish someone would have made an offer like that to Miami.

 

[Garts]

Supposedly the Lions offered the cowboys a similar deal and dallas turned it down.something like 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year, 1st next year, and either Witten or Ware(I think Ware).Glad it didn't happen.

That's WAY too much.

 

[Tecumseh]

Maybe I look at the draft differently, but a team like detroit should have taken this deal. CJ is one player, and one player who is going to cost a lot of money. If he gets hurt, the cap and the team takes a big hit. If he is a Bust, the cap and the team takes a big hit.With all those picks, you can build a team that is younger and any one player gets hurt, it doesn't kill your team. If they move down to 21 and take a DT like Branch and a WR like Gonzalez + all those other picks they are sitting very pretty.I only wish someone would have made an offer like that to Miami.

Absolutely. Plus, it's not like the Lions are one player away from contention (well, maybe in the NFC North).

 

[Sinrman]

I can see from Denver's standpoint that it was a great offer. They REALLY wanted CJ. If I were a Denver fan, I'd probably think it was TOO much...

As a Lions fan, I'm glad Millen didn't do it. Face it folks, Denver's 1st rounder this year was a late 1st rounder (21?). Next year's 1st rounder would also be a late 1st rounder (probably in the 20's again). Sorry, but that wouldn't entice me all the much either. We'd be dropping a LOT. The other picks are nice too, but some, if not all, would be late round picks too. *shrug* I think, for once, Millen got it right.

Ok, I feel dirty now for saying that...

 

[Lord Lucan]

Martz took out a sheet of paper and drew a formation he expected to become a staple of his 2007 game plan: Roy Williams (the No. 7 pick in 2004) wide left, free-agent pickup and former Ram Shaun McDonald in the left slot, Mike Furrey (who combined with Williams for 180 catches and 2,396 yards last year) in the right slot, Johnson set wide right, and Kitna planted on the ground before any of them got more than five yards downfield.

Just adding what was clearly missing from Martz's quote.

 

[JayMan]

Peter King article which starts talking about offers Millen had for the 1.02 pick:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...0507/index.html

A month earlier Denver had offered two first-round picks, a second-rounder and two third-rounders, plus veteran linebacker Al Wilson, but when the Broncos wouldn't substitute another second-round pick for the injured Wilson, Millen turned them down. With that, the bar was set high.

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Wow!

:( I'm I the only one seeing ressemblance to a mini Hershel Walker deal in this?... it sure didn't help the Cowboys...(I know it's not 5 players and 6 draft picks... but )

 

[KING]

Just read the article and this part REALLY caught my eye... maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's worth noting that Tatum Bell's name came up as the RB who would "flourish in formation s like this one"...

Martz took out a sheet of paper and drew a formation he expected to become a staple of his 2007 game plan: Roy Williams (the No. 7 pick in 2004) wide left, free-agent pickup and former Ram Shaun McDonald in the left slot, Mike Furrey (who combined with Williams for 180 catches and 2,396 yards last year) in the right slot and Johnson set wide right. "In this formation," Martz said, "you're going to get either Roy or Calvin deep, with no safety help. How do you defend that? Maybe Shaun on a shallow curl and Furrey down the field on a post taking the safeties with them." Marinelli said scatback Tatum Bell, acquired from Denver, should flourish in formations like this one, with the defense spread and running lanes open.

gee martz, did you come up with that all by yourself?.....sounds like the run and shoot to me.

 

[T Man]

So the offer for the # 2 pick was essentially:

(1) a late 1st round 2007 pick

(2) probably a late 1st round 2008 pick

(3) a late 2nd round 2007 pick

(4) a late 3rd rouond 2007 pick

(5) a late 3rd round 2008 pick

(6) Al Wilson - a good LB, but one Denver cut because he can't pass a physical

How is that a great trade for Detroit. While I agree that 5 picks for one pick sounds good, the truth is that Denver is a title contender. Its not as if you should expect Denver to be picking in the top half of the draft next year; and they certainly weren't picking that high this year.

If Wilson was physically able, then I could see this working. But without the starting caliber player, the deal benefits Denver simply because I assume that Denver will draft 24 or lower in each round next year. AND, since the trade offer was made weeks ago, Detroit had to feel as if they could get a higher rated player plus a draft pick and a starter in trade.

WHat would have been funny is if Detroit said YES to the deal weeks ago. If Denver had the #2 pick, the Raiders would have probably picked CJ just to spite Denver.

 

[Da Guru]

Just read the article and this part REALLY caught my eye... maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's worth noting that Tatum Bell's name came up as the RB who would "flourish in formation s like this one"...

Martz took out a sheet of paper and drew a formation he expected to become a staple of his 2007 game plan: Roy Williams (the No. 7 pick in 2004) wide left, free-agent pickup and former Ram Shaun McDonald in the left slot, Mike Furrey (who combined with Williams for 180 catches and 2,396 yards last year) in the right slot and Johnson set wide right. "In this formation," Martz said, "you're going to get either Roy or Calvin deep, with no safety help. How do you defend that? Maybe Shaun on a shallow curl and Furrey down the field on a post taking the safeties with them." Marinelli said scatback Tatum Bell, acquired from Denver, should flourish in formations like this one, with the defense spread and running lanes open.

After last year I vowed never to have a RB named "Bell" on my team again!

 

[Jayrod]

Martz took out a sheet of paper and drew a formation he expected to become a staple of his 2007 game plan: Roy Williams (the No. 7 pick in 2004) wide left, free-agent pickup and former Ram Shaun McDonald in the left slot, Mike Furrey (who combined with Williams for 180 catches and 2,396 yards last year) in the right slot, Johnson set wide right, and Kitna planted on the ground before any of them got more than five yards downfield.

Just adding what was clearly missing from Martz's quote.

This is exactly what I thought when I read that quote. Martz does a great job of seeing the passing lanes and matchup advantages in the secondary, but ignores the interior line play. Teams with any kind of speed rushers will disrupt everything too much by getting in Kitna's face and not giving him time to read the secondary.

 

[JAA]

Just read the article and this part REALLY caught my eye... maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's worth noting that Tatum Bell's name came up as the RB who would "flourish in formation s like this one"...

Martz took out a sheet of paper and drew a formation he expected to become a staple of his 2007 game plan: Roy Williams (the No. 7 pick in 2004) wide left, free-agent pickup and former Ram Shaun McDonald in the left slot, Mike Furrey (who combined with Williams for 180 catches and 2,396 yards last year) in the right slot and Johnson set wide right. "In this formation," Martz said, "you're going to get either Roy or Calvin deep, with no safety help. How do you defend that? Maybe Shaun on a shallow curl and Furrey down the field on a post taking the safeties with them." Marinelli said scatback Tatum Bell, acquired from Denver, should flourish in formations like this one, with the defense spread and running lanes open.

GB Coach Rich Rod's spread option.

 

[softball]

Maybe I look at the draft differently, but a team like detroit should have taken this deal. CJ is one player, and one player who is going to cost a lot of money. If he gets hurt, the cap and the team takes a big hit. If he is a Bust, the cap and the team takes a big hit.With all those picks, you can build a team that is younger and any one player gets hurt, it doesn't kill your team. If they move down to 21 and take a DT like Branch and a WR like Gonzalez + all those other picks they are sitting very pretty.I only wish someone would have made an offer like that to Miami.

Absolutely. Plus, it's not like the Lions are one player away from contention (well, maybe in the NFC North).

Agreed as well, and I'll add. Are the Lions a better team today than they were before the draft?I don't think you can say that's the case. The problem wasn't at WR last season. It was on the defensive side of the ball.