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Denver Will Become A Passing Team This Year (1 Viewer)

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1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.

2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.

3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.

4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.

5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing.

6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.

 
1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing. 6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.
I dunno, I agree with all 6 of your points but I think that the combination of Selvin Young and Andre Hall is just going to be too potent to not take advantage of. I think they'll pass more than they have but I don't think they'll become a 'passing team'.
 
1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing. 6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.
I dunno, I agree with all 6 of your points but I think that the combination of Selvin Young and Andre Hall is just going to be too potent to not take advantage of. I think they'll pass more than they have but I don't think they'll become a 'passing team'.
Those guys might be decent but I wouldn't call them potent by any stretch. The best talent on the offense is the QB/WR/TE.
 
1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing. 6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.
I dunno, I agree with all 6 of your points but I think that the combination of Selvin Young and Andre Hall is just going to be too potent to not take advantage of. I think they'll pass more than they have but I don't think they'll become a 'passing team'.
I agree with your points, I would say that Young and Hall have potential but no way do I consider them potent at this point.
 
1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing. 6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.
I dunno, I agree with all 6 of your points but I think that the combination of Selvin Young and Andre Hall is just going to be too potent to not take advantage of. I think they'll pass more than they have but I don't think they'll become a 'passing team'.
I agree with your points, I would say that Young and Hall have potential but no way do I consider them potent at this point.
They don't really have to be potent, just decent. The Broncos zone blocking scheme takes care of the rest. Since when have a large majority of Broncos backs besides Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis been considered "potent"? They run and they run well with no-names who sometimes weren't even taken in the NFL Draft!
 
1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing. 6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.
I dunno, I agree with all 6 of your points but I think that the combination of Selvin Young and Andre Hall is just going to be too potent to not take advantage of. I think they'll pass more than they have but I don't think they'll become a 'passing team'.
They don't really have to be potent, just decent. The Broncos zone blocking scheme takes care of the rest. Since when have a large majority of Broncos backs besides Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis been considered "potent"? They run and they run well with no-names who sometimes weren't even taken in the NFL Draft!
It remains to be seen if this line stacks up to those in the past. I don't think it will. Their push on short yardage and goal line seemed horrible last year (don't know the stats).
 
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1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing. 6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.
I dunno, I agree with all 6 of your points but I think that the combination of Selvin Young and Andre Hall is just going to be too potent to not take advantage of. I think they'll pass more than they have but I don't think they'll become a 'passing team'.
I agree with your points, I would say that Young and Hall have potential but no way do I consider them potent at this point.
They don't really have to be potent, just decent. The Broncos zone blocking scheme takes care of the rest. Since when have a large majority of Broncos backs besides Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis been considered "potent"? They run and they run well with no-names who sometimes weren't even taken in the NFL Draft!
absolutely, Olandis freaking Gary? the more I see of Cutler the more impressed I am, I just hope that someone has gotten through to Marshall and is mentoring him, another slip and I am not sure what the punishment would be. While Royal has looked good he is still a rookie and raw, they need Marshall to anchor this passing game.
 
1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing. 6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.
I dunno, I agree with all 6 of your points but I think that the combination of Selvin Young and Andre Hall is just going to be too potent to not take advantage of. I think they'll pass more than they have but I don't think they'll become a 'passing team'.
They don't really have to be potent, just decent. The Broncos zone blocking scheme takes care of the rest. Since when have a large majority of Broncos backs besides Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis been considered "potent"? They run and they run well with no-names who sometimes weren't even taken in the NFL Draft!
It remains to be seen if this line stacks up to those in the past. I don't think it will. Their push on short yardage and goal line seemed horrible last year (don't know the stats).
Ah, that's a good point. I'll give you that one. But can you really see them just dropping off so quickly after such a run of consecutive years running the ball successfully?
 
1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing. 6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.
I dunno, I agree with all 6 of your points but I think that the combination of Selvin Young and Andre Hall is just going to be too potent to not take advantage of. I think they'll pass more than they have but I don't think they'll become a 'passing team'.
They don't really have to be potent, just decent. The Broncos zone blocking scheme takes care of the rest. Since when have a large majority of Broncos backs besides Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis been considered "potent"? They run and they run well with no-names who sometimes weren't even taken in the NFL Draft!
It remains to be seen if this line stacks up to those in the past. I don't think it will. Their push on short yardage and goal line seemed horrible last year (don't know the stats).
Ah, that's a good point. I'll give you that one. But can you really see them just dropping off so quickly after such a run of consecutive years running the ball successfully?
I still think they'll run but I think Shanny is smart enough to adjust his offense towards his best skilled players, which are not his rb's. Plus, their defense is going to be horrid so they won't have the luxury of running the ball late like they did in the past. I suspect they will be chasing teams a lot in the 2nd halves of games this year.
 
1) Cutler enters his 3rd year and so far this pre-season he looks dang good. Accurate & strong arm plus he can scramble when needed.2) Brandon Marshall is for real. Get him back for week three and watch him produce as a top 5 WR.3) Eddie Royal- wowing them in camp and torching starting Dallas defense. He catches everything thrown his way.4) Scheffler & Daniel Graham are great TE combo.5) I'm not sold on Denver defense so they will have to 'keep up' by throwing. 6) Denver's offensive line not run blocking as well as pass blocking.
I dunno, I agree with all 6 of your points but I think that the combination of Selvin Young and Andre Hall is just going to be too potent to not take advantage of. I think they'll pass more than they have but I don't think they'll become a 'passing team'.
They don't really have to be potent, just decent. The Broncos zone blocking scheme takes care of the rest. Since when have a large majority of Broncos backs besides Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis been considered "potent"? They run and they run well with no-names who sometimes weren't even taken in the NFL Draft!
It remains to be seen if this line stacks up to those in the past. I don't think it will. Their push on short yardage and goal line seemed horrible last year (don't know the stats).
Ah, that's a good point. I'll give you that one. But can you really see them just dropping off so quickly after such a run of consecutive years running the ball successfully?
I still think they'll run but I think Shanny is smart enough to adjust his offense towards his best skilled players, which are not his rb's. Plus, their defense is going to be horrid so they won't have the luxury of running the ball late like they did in the past. I suspect they will be chasing teams a lot in the 2nd halves of games this year.
Fair enough. Now that I do consider Jay Cutler's ceiling this year, the more I do see it, especially with what you mentioned. Although I don't think they will ever become a 'passing team' ever. Not when Mike Shanahan is there. That would be like Mike Martz running a nice, simple and easy offense.
 
couldn't have said it better myself.

I pay very close attention to what the Broncos do, in terms of playcalling, general strategy, etc. I've been calling for a gradual shift towards a passing O since the draft of 2006, when Cutler, Scheffler, and Marshall all were drafted - a significant attempt to upgrade the passing O. 2008 will mark these guys 3rd year in the system - time to harvest what was sewn.

Also - below is a breakdown of percent of pass plays called by the Broncos going back to 1995 When Shanahan took over. The NFL average over that span is ~54% pass, 46% rush. In RED are years where Denver was more run-dominant than the league average (i.e. they ran the ball more than the league average, in terms of percent of total plays), and blue is where Denver was more pass-oriented than the league average.

1995 57.4% - Elway

1996 50.5% - Elway

1997 49.7% - Elway

1998 48.3% - Elway

1999 54.4% - Griese (also, year TD got hurt)

2000 52.5% - Griese

2001 51.5% - Griese

2002 54.9% - Griese

2003 46.9% - Plummer

2004 49.4%- Plummer

2005 46.2%- Plummer

<insert change of strategy here>

2006 48.2% - Plummer/Cutler

2007 54.6% - Cutler

I suspect that there may be a correlation to wins, but I haven't looked at that yet.

A couple of observations:

(1) Despite what LHUCKS thinks, Shanahan has had seasons where he threw the ball more than the league average.

(2) the Broncos ran the ball significantly less with Plummer at the helm than with Griese. Last year, in terms of play calling, was closer to the Griese era than the Plummer era.

(3) two consecutive years of increasing passes called - possibly start of a trend, but too difficult to call.

(4) in Cutlers first year as a starter, Shanahan called the third most passing plays of his HC career.

I'm not ready to extrapolate and say Denver will pass more in 2008 than they did in 2007, but when you look at some data you might conclude that this may not be a run-first team afterall.

 
couldn't have said it better myself.

I pay very close attention to what the Broncos do, in terms of playcalling, general strategy, etc. I've been calling for a gradual shift towards a passing O since the draft of 2006, when Cutler, Scheffler, and Marshall all were drafted - a significant attempt to upgrade the passing O. 2008 will mark these guys 3rd year in the system - time to harvest what was sewn.

Also - below is a breakdown of percent of pass plays called by the Broncos going back to 1995 When Shanahan took over. The NFL average over that span is ~54% pass, 46% rush. In RED are years where Denver was more run-dominant than the league average (i.e. they ran the ball more than the league average, in terms of percent of total plays), and blue is where Denver was more pass-oriented than the league average.

1995 57.4% - Elway

1996 50.5% - Elway

1997 49.7% - Elway

1998 48.3% - Elway

1999 54.4% - Griese (also, year TD got hurt)

2000 52.5% - Griese

2001 51.5% - Griese

2002 54.9% - Griese

2003 46.9% - Plummer

2004 49.4%- Plummer

2005 46.2%- Plummer

<insert change of strategy here>

2006 48.2% - Plummer/Cutler

2007 54.6% - Cutler

I suspect that there may be a correlation to wins, but I haven't looked at that yet.

A couple of observations:

(1) Despite what LHUCKS thinks, Shanahan has had seasons where he threw the ball more than the league average.

(2) the Broncos ran the ball significantly less with Plummer at the helm than with Griese. Last year, in terms of play calling, was closer to the Griese era than the Plummer era.

(3) two consecutive years of increasing passes called - possibly start of a trend, but too difficult to call.

(4) in Cutlers first year as a starter, Shanahan called the third most passing plays of his HC career.

I'm not ready to extrapolate and say Denver will pass more in 2008 than they did in 2007, but when you look at some data you might conclude that this may not be a run-first team afterall.
Good post. I know you're a knowledgable donkey fan...I think this is probably the worst defense they've had under Shanny and I think that will force his hand in the playcalling dept. Do you think their defense will be among the worst?
 
couldn't have said it better myself.

I pay very close attention to what the Broncos do, in terms of playcalling, general strategy, etc. I've been calling for a gradual shift towards a passing O since the draft of 2006, when Cutler, Scheffler, and Marshall all were drafted - a significant attempt to upgrade the passing O. 2008 will mark these guys 3rd year in the system - time to harvest what was sewn.

Also - below is a breakdown of percent of pass plays called by the Broncos going back to 1995 When Shanahan took over. The NFL average over that span is ~54% pass, 46% rush. In RED are years where Denver was more run-dominant than the league average (i.e. they ran the ball more than the league average, in terms of percent of total plays), and blue is where Denver was more pass-oriented than the league average.

1995 57.4% - Elway

1996 50.5% - Elway

1997 49.7% - Elway

1998 48.3% - Elway

1999 54.4% - Griese (also, year TD got hurt)

2000 52.5% - Griese

2001 51.5% - Griese

2002 54.9% - Griese

2003 46.9% - Plummer

2004 49.4%- Plummer

2005 46.2%- Plummer

<insert change of strategy here>

2006 48.2% - Plummer/Cutler

2007 54.6% - Cutler

I suspect that there may be a correlation to wins, but I haven't looked at that yet.

A couple of observations:

(1) Despite what LHUCKS thinks, Shanahan has had seasons where he threw the ball more than the league average.

(2) the Broncos ran the ball significantly less with Plummer at the helm than with Griese. Last year, in terms of play calling, was closer to the Griese era than the Plummer era.

(3) two consecutive years of increasing passes called - possibly start of a trend, but too difficult to call.

(4) in Cutlers first year as a starter, Shanahan called the third most passing plays of his HC career.

I'm not ready to extrapolate and say Denver will pass more in 2008 than they did in 2007, but when you look at some data you might conclude that this may not be a run-first team afterall.
Good post. I know you're a knowledgable donkey fan...I think this is probably the worst defense they've had under Shanny and I think that will force his hand in the playcalling dept. Do you think their defense will be among the worst?
worst in the league or worst Denver has had in a long time? The LB play last year was, IMO, pretty terrible, and I have strong doubts that Niko or Boss are the answer. On the D Line - should be slightly improved with a healthy Ekuban, but that's not saying much. Lynch was a playmaker in run-support but was a liability in coverage - I'm not sure McRee is an improvement. In terms of personnel, I don't think the Broncos has improved themselves over the off-season. in terms of scheme - who knows? They looked OK last week vs Hou, but what can you really tell from week 1 pre-season?

 
couldn't have said it better myself.

I pay very close attention to what the Broncos do, in terms of playcalling, general strategy, etc. I've been calling for a gradual shift towards a passing O since the draft of 2006, when Cutler, Scheffler, and Marshall all were drafted - a significant attempt to upgrade the passing O. 2008 will mark these guys 3rd year in the system - time to harvest what was sewn.

Also - below is a breakdown of percent of pass plays called by the Broncos going back to 1995 When Shanahan took over. The NFL average over that span is ~54% pass, 46% rush. In RED are years where Denver was more run-dominant than the league average (i.e. they ran the ball more than the league average, in terms of percent of total plays), and blue is where Denver was more pass-oriented than the league average.

1995 57.4% - Elway

1996 50.5% - Elway

1997 49.7% - Elway

1998 48.3% - Elway

1999 54.4% - Griese (also, year TD got hurt)

2000 52.5% - Griese

2001 51.5% - Griese

2002 54.9% - Griese

2003 46.9% - Plummer

2004 49.4%- Plummer

2005 46.2%- Plummer

<insert change of strategy here>

2006 48.2% - Plummer/Cutler

2007 54.6% - Cutler

I suspect that there may be a correlation to wins, but I haven't looked at that yet.

A couple of observations:

(1) Despite what LHUCKS thinks, Shanahan has had seasons where he threw the ball more than the league average.

(2) the Broncos ran the ball significantly less with Plummer at the helm than with Griese. Last year, in terms of play calling, was closer to the Griese era than the Plummer era.

(3) two consecutive years of increasing passes called - possibly start of a trend, but too difficult to call.

(4) in Cutlers first year as a starter, Shanahan called the third most passing plays of his HC career.

I'm not ready to extrapolate and say Denver will pass more in 2008 than they did in 2007, but when you look at some data you might conclude that this may not be a run-first team afterall.
Good post. I know you're a knowledgable donkey fan...I think this is probably the worst defense they've had under Shanny and I think that will force his hand in the playcalling dept. Do you think their defense will be among the worst?
worst in the league or worst Denver has had in a long time? The LB play last year was, IMO, pretty terrible, and I have strong doubts that Niko or Boss are the answer. On the D Line - should be slightly improved with a healthy Ekuban, but that's not saying much. Lynch was a playmaker in run-support but was a liability in coverage - I'm not sure McRee is an improvement. In terms of personnel, I don't think the Broncos has improved themselves over the off-season. in terms of scheme - who knows? They looked OK last week vs Hou, but what can you really tell from week 1 pre-season?
definitely the worst denver has had in a long time but I think they'll also be among the worst in the league. They'll be good against the pass but teams won't have to pass because I think they'll be among the bottom 5 or so against the run.
 
I wonder if the Denver post has been reading this tread...

link

Broncos shift to passing lane

Denver redirecting offense to take advantage of talent at QB, receiver

By Mike Klis

The Denver Post

Article Last Updated: 08/20/2008 01:43:03 AM MDT

If the playbook hasn't changed, it's been rearranged.

Far more passing plays, from a multitude of formations, have been slipped to the front. Those two one-cut, zone-blocking plays — one starting to the right, the other starting to the left — always will have their place in Chapter 1 of the Broncos' playbook.

It's just that the First Book of Shanahan has become much thicker with diagrams that utilize the talents of a franchise quarterback in Jay Cutler and a freakishly talented wide receiver in Brandon Marshall.

Through the Broncos' first two preseason games, Mike Shana-han and quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates have called 30 passes and 14 running plays for the first-team offense.

And the preseason is when Shanahan usually guards his playbook from enemy film projectionists. There's one more preseason stat worth gawking at: The Broncos' first-string offense scored touchdowns on three of its first four drives.

Could 2008 be the rebirth of the Mastermind?

"I have noticed we've been doing more passing, using more three wides early on," said Brandon Stokley, who as the Broncos' No. 3 receiver would be the first to notice an increase in three-receiver sets. "We have the ability to give defenses tough matchups with our receivers. In this league it's all about making big plays. It's hard to go 80 yards in 12 plays. Teams that make the big plays win the game. And we have difference-makers on the outside."

The Broncos didn't get their first touchdown from outside the 9-yard line last season until their sixth game, and their offense didn't score from outside the 20 until its 10th game.

In reassessing the offense for this season, the Broncos' offensive brain trust first looked at its talent. Cutler was a first-round pick. Marshall plays like he should have been a first-round pick. "Receiving" tight end Tony Scheffler and rookie wide receiver Eddie Royal were second-round picks.

Meanwhile, the Broncos have an undrafted tailback committee of Selvin Young, Andre Hall and possibly Anthony Alridge. All are quick, smaller backs capable of inflicting significant damage in eight to 12 carries a game.

But having stars at the passing positions and complementary-type runners at tailback doesn't logically add up to 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

"Right now a strong part of our offense is the passing game," said Daniel Graham, Denver's "blocking" tight end. "But we're eventually going to have to get the running game going because when it gets colder out here, you'll have to run that ball."

Evolution of balance

Since Shanahan took charge in 1995, the Broncos have been a balanced offense that leaned slightly toward running the ball.

"That's not necessarily true," Cutler said. "Watching a lot of clips from three, four, five years ago, they were in a lot of empty sets. They were throwing all over the place, especially with Elway, they threw their fair share of deep balls and empty sets."

For a third-year quarterback who grew up in the South, Cutler has a decent grasp of Broncos history. John Elway has been retired for almost 10 years, but he did throw the ball deep, sometimes to the far right after scrambling left. Even from 1999-2002, when Brian Griese was the quarterback, the Broncos threw more than they ran, although rarely did a pass go deep.

It was really during the four-year Jake Plummer era that Shanahan reshaped his offense into primarily a run-first, run-on-third-and-3,

Jay Cutler passed for 3,497 yards and 20 touchdowns last season, just his second year in the NFL. (Doug Pensinger, Getty Images )

mix-in-the-play-action-rollout scheme. And it mostly worked. The Broncos went 39-15 with Plummer as their starter.

But it was also in the Plummer years that the Broncos reinforced their offensive identity as zone-blocking, one-cut rushing system — an identity that's carried with honor at Dove Valley, even as the current offense is clearly built around a strong-armed quarterback.

"The history of the running game here has been a weapon," Bates said. "It's feared by every defensive coordinator in the league. That does open the passing game up a little bit. Teams are a little more hesitant to pressure us as much as other teams because we run the ball on third-and-5 and get the first down. Some of the passing game is the result of our run game is so good."

From an objective distance, former Broncos guard and ESPN football analyst Mark Schlereth had a different perspective on the Broncos' first two preseason games. He noticed fullback Cecil Sapp and Graham staying in on most plays for extra protection. With the inexperienced Ryan Harris at right tackle and Ryan Clady at left tackle, Schlereth believes the Broncos are throwing more in the preseason because they want to sort out their protection packages.

"I think the Broncos feel pretty confident that they know how to run the ball," Schlereth said. "I think you'll still see the Broncos run the ball 25 to 30 times a game. It just might be three guys who get those carries."

A running game is relative in today's NFL. On average, 55 percent of the league's plays last year were passes. And it wasn't just the losing teams throwing while trying to catch up. Green Bay and Dallas both finished 13-3 last year while employing a 60-40, pass-run ratio. New England, 18-0 until the Super Bowl, threw until it built huge second-half leads, at which point it sometimes mixed in running plays.

Those three teams were quarterbacked by Brett Favre, Tony Romo and Tom Brady, respectively. With Cutler as the Broncos' quarterback, Shanahan can call passes 30 out of 44 plays and score touchdowns three out of four times.

"I don't think we're going to be one of those teams that will drop back and throw every play, like New England did last year," Stokley said. "But as I've been around a year now, I see Jay becoming more and more that guy that can take over a game. He hasn't done anything to make you believe otherwise with those first two preseason games."
 

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