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Denver's Dealings (1 Viewer)

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As per Schefter: Denver went into Thursday with a 1st, two 2nds and a 3rd -- and came out with two 1sts, one 2nd, two 3rds, and the two players it wanted.

That seems like a pretty good day of dealing. It's too bad it's buried by the Tebow polarization.

I hope we have as many trades in the second round, and I see a lot of good blue chip players still on the board.

 
McDaniels is a McMoran.

He takes a WR that will probably take 3 years to develop and a QB/HB/FB/TE/LB that may take just as long...if ever.

I have a feeling he will be booted before/if those two guys ever live up to their draft position.

I wish Tebow all the luck. But ALL the scouts/pundits/analysts said that Tebow is not an NFL QB. And those guys get paid a lot of money to make those judgements and study the players so I'll defer to their wisdom before I go with my thoughts.

 
McDaniels is a McMoran. He takes a WR that will probably take 3 years to develop and a QB/HB/FB/TE/LB that may take just as long...if ever. I have a feeling he will be booted before/if those two guys ever live up to their draft position.I wish Tebow all the luck. But ALL the scouts/pundits/analysts said that Tebow is not an NFL QB. And those guys get paid a lot of money to make those judgements and study the players so I'll defer to their wisdom before I go with my thoughts.
Actually not all the scouts/pundits/analysts think he is not a NFL QB(otherwise he would have been projected to go in the 6th or 7th round, you're just talking out of your ###. They also don't think the WR they took will take 3 years to develop.McDaniels has at the earliest the end of 2011 to make the playoffs...but knowing Bowlen it is probably more like the end of 2012 to make the playoffsSo Tebow redshirts 2010, then has a chance to start in 2011...with a lot of tools surrounding him
 
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McDaniels is a McMoran.

He takes a WR that will probably take 3 years to develop and a QB/HB/FB/TE/LB that may take just as long...if ever.

I have a feeling he will be booted before/if those two guys ever live up to their draft position.

I wish Tebow all the luck. But ALL the scouts/pundits/analysts said that Tebow is not an NFL QB. And those guys get paid a lot of money to make those judgements and study the players so I'll defer to their wisdom before I go with my thoughts.
Actually not all the scouts/pundits/analysts think he is not a NFL QB(otherwise he would have been projected to go in the 6th or 7th round, you're just talking out of your ###. They also don't think the WR they took will take 3 years to develop.

McDaniels has at the earliest the end of 2011 to make the playoffs...but knowing Bowlen it is probably more like the end of 2012 to make the playoffs

So Tebow redshirts 2010, then has a chance to start in 2011...with a lot of tools surrounding him
:lmao: Jabbar Gaffney, Eddie Royal, a rookie WR, Moreno...and who else? Do they even have a TE anymore? Where are these tools you speak of? A defense full of old guys. An inconsistent O-line. McDaniels will run off any good player they might develop.

And OK, maybe not all the scouts/pundits/analysts think Tebow isn't an NFL QB...just 90 - 95%. My ### has a 5% margin of error.

 
Getting projected second or third rounder(for much of the college offseason/predraft stuff) CB Perrish Cox in the fifth was a steal.

The Broncos worked this draft like an FFer would. I'm surprised and impressed

 
I think there are two parts to this equation; one, how did they work the draft and two, what talent did they acquire.

I think the draft was worked masterfully and they parlayed their original picks in a way that would have Bellicheck jealous. Now, you can argue about what they did with them (I am not a fan of the Tebow pick, but don't blame them for going Thomas over Bryant), but if some of these guys hit, it was worth all the jockeying...and as a homer (I am not), I would be happy to see that my GM could work a draft well as he will eventually stumble upon the talent (hopefully!).

 
Actually not all the scouts/pundits/analysts think he is not a NFL QB(otherwise he would have been projected to go in the 6th or 7th round, They also don't think the WR they took will take 3 years to develop.McDaniels has at the earliest the end of 2011 to make the playoffs...but knowing Bowlen it is probably more like the end of 2012 to make the playoffsSo Tebow redshirts 2010, then has a chance to start in 2011...with a lot of tools surrounding him
I liked the idea of Tebow playing slash role (occasional 3rd down WR) for a year or two until he plays QB.Reach idea-Why don't teams have goalline QBs but they have RBs an extra TE and sometimes a taller WR for the goalline? I don't think everyone that had issues with Tebow (or Armanti Edwards) would disagree that they'd be quite concerning for a D (solely) as the goalline QB.
 
While I'm not that high on Tebow I thought the Broncos had an outstanding draft. Felt so from the time they made the move backs and got the extra picks and continue to feel that way. Thought it was maybe just me but read today were Rick Gosselin gave them an "A" Grade. Some of the items he referenced were that Decker will remind the hometown fans of Mcaffrey and JD Walton will remind of Tom Nalen.

Most people won't agree with the A grade and are on the other side of the spectrum. I think to much of the focus is on the fact they passed on Bryant and took Tebow. While I must admit I'd not done either of those things I thought they had an outstanding draft. They got two good WR prospects, possible two walk in starters on the OL, some potential CB help/depth and agree or not a potential franchise QB.

 
I wish Tebow all the luck. But ALL the scouts/pundits/analysts said that Tebow is not an NFL QB. And those guys get paid a lot of money to make those judgements and study the players so I'll defer to their wisdom before I go with my thoughts.
You certainly have an odd definition of "ALL", and in all caps no less. The reality is it's more like half, and both Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy have said they'd take him in the top 10 with Gruden going as far as saying he'd guarantee a super bowl win if he coached a team with Tebow as his QB. Last I checked, those guy's opinion (particularly Gruden's) is pretty highly respected around these parts.
 
I wish Tebow all the luck. But ALL the scouts/pundits/analysts said that Tebow is not an NFL QB. And those guys get paid a lot of money to make those judgements and study the players so I'll defer to their wisdom before I go with my thoughts.
You certainly have an odd definition of "ALL", and in all caps no less. The reality is it's more like half, and both Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy have said they'd take him in the top 10 with Gruden going as far as saying he'd guarantee a super bowl win if he coached a team with Tebow as his QB. Last I checked, those guy's opinion (particularly Gruden's) is pretty highly respected around these parts.
Yeah, but Gruden pretty much said that about every player. Either he didn't want to step on any fingers, he's just a really nice guy, ESPN told him not to be negative, or all of the above. Gruden probably thinks he could win a SuperBowl if he stepped in and played QB! :X Dungy 'aint exactly known for being negative either, unless a player pisses off one of his former coaches in some way...but even then he candy-coats his criticism.

Good luck finding a talent-evaluator/talking head that is impartial, and doesn't have interests that makes it hard for him to be critical of players, and probably more importantly GM's and head-coaches. They get their "secrets" from some of these sources in return for positive coverage, not all of them, of course, but "source" usually wants something in return. That is why I like Kiper, although he has changed too, probably for similar reasons.

In other words, just sit back, relax, and watch Tebow(and others) play before calling the pick good or bad. In regards to Tebow, Orton is the man for at least another year, probably 2, as he should be. We may not know much, outside of a pre-season drive or two that will be over-blown if he looks great or terrible, till 2013-2015 and that is probably a GOOD thing for a project QB like Tebow. My opinion is, if McDaniels can have a winning season or two to keep the "FIRE HIM NOW" vultures at bay, which in turn allows Tebow proper development time...he will probably be a fine NFL QB, maybe pretty damn good. If they throw him to the wolves too early? He will be CFL MVP come 2015...

The same thing can be said for a couple of QB's in this draft class who I believe have what it takes(if given enough time to prepare...Aaron Rodgers is the perfect example of the ideal way to develop a QB)...see Tony Pike / Colt McCoy / Mike Kafka(talk about flying under the radar, loved watching him at Northwestern...if Kolb fails, this will be the man come 2013), and Dan LeFavour(see Kafka, although I loved watching DL play a bit more due to his athletic ability, but Kafka is much better than average athlete for his position as well). Think all four of these guys COULD be solid starters, in reality, if one of them turns into a decent starter, I'll be surprised, as teams seem to give up on QB's too quickly nowadays. If I had to bet on one of them, I'd pick Kafka, with Pike/LeFavour tied for 2nd...

Small highlite film featuring Kafka...if you're interested.

 
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I wish Tebow all the luck. But ALL the scouts/pundits/analysts said that Tebow is not an NFL QB. And those guys get paid a lot of money to make those judgements and study the players so I'll defer to their wisdom before I go with my thoughts.
You certainly have an odd definition of "ALL", and in all caps no less. The reality is it's more like half, and both Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy have said they'd take him in the top 10 with Gruden going as far as saying he'd guarantee a super bowl win if he coached a team with Tebow as his QB. Last I checked, those guy's opinion (particularly Gruden's) is pretty highly respected around these parts.
Belichick and Shanahan have also said good things about Tebow's NFL prospects in the past, and obviously Josh McDaniels is pretty high on him. I said a year ago that I thought it was pretty telling that most of the guys in the league today who are known as exceptional creative offensive minds were all pretty unanimous that they could take a guy like Tim Tebow and really do great things with him.
 
I wish Tebow all the luck. But ALL the scouts/pundits/analysts said that Tebow is not an NFL QB. And those guys get paid a lot of money to make those judgements and study the players so I'll defer to their wisdom before I go with my thoughts.
You certainly have an odd definition of "ALL", and in all caps no less. The reality is it's more like half, and both Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy have said they'd take him in the top 10 with Gruden going as far as saying he'd guarantee a super bowl win if he coached a team with Tebow as his QB. Last I checked, those guy's opinion (particularly Gruden's) is pretty highly respected around these parts.
Yeah, but Gruden pretty much said that about every player. Either he didn't want to step on any fingers, he's just a really nice guy, ESPN told him not to be negative, or all of the above. Gruden probably thinks he could win a SuperBowl if he stepped in and played QB! :X
It wasn't just Gruden saying he thinks Tebow will a good player, he's practically infatuated with him.
 

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