Derek Anderson #32 QB - Staff Dynasty Rank (1 Viewer)

[Ron_Mexico]

I don't normally criticize staff rankings

but when a member of the FBG staff

ranks Derek Anderson at #32 for dynasty QBs,

I have to stand up and take notice.

This staff member has him ranked behind such legendary QBs

as Kyle Boller, Alex Smith, Brian Griese, Byron Leftwich, etc.....

This preposterous analysis deserves an explanation, imo.

 

[wadegarrett]

I don't normally criticize staff rankingsbut when a member of the FBG staffranks Derek Anderson at #32 for dynasty QBs,I have to stand up and take notice.This staff member has him ranked behind such legendary QBsas Kyle Boller, Alex Smith, Brian Griese, Byron Leftwich, etc.....This preposterous analysis deserves an explanation, imo.

This is a current ranking or preseason ranking?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

This is a current ranking or preseason ranking?

Submitted November 12th (yesterday).

 

[Giants4Life]

Anderson has had a great season, yes. But we dont know where he will be next year or whether he will continue to perform at a high level.

He might be a backup somewhere next year for all we know. I dont think the Browns will keep him. If anything, theyll want a one year deal with him, and he wont accept it, because he'll want a long-term contract.

Anderson's had a nice year, but there have been plenty of QBs who have had this kind of run and you dont hear from them iin future seasons.

 

[BroadwayG]

i can't blame a guy for thinking that Quinn will start next year. do I agree with it? No. But I'm not going to start a thread about it.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Some of those guys are not putting much thought into their rankings.

 

[loose circuits]

does the staff know how Restricted Free Agency works?

DA will receive the highest tender and teams will have to give up a 1st/3rd to get him. I doubt anyteam will do that. He will be with Cleveland next year and then will sign a mega deal after he tears it up for another year.

I can't believe I dropped him in my dynasty league just before week 1 after Rotoworld reported that he may have lost the 2nd string job to Quinn...

for the record, a few a weeks ago he was traded for a mid-2nd rounder in my league...which is a sign he may not actually be in the top 20. I wouldn't have traded him for a 2nd though- to each his own

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Anderson has had a great season, yes. But we dont know where he will be next year or whether he will continue to perform at a high level.He might be a backup somewhere next year for all we know. I dont think the Browns will keep him. If anything, theyll want a one year deal with him, and he wont accept it, because he'll want a long-term contract.Anderson's had a nice year, but there have been plenty of QBs who have had this kind of run and you dont hear from them iin future seasons.

Do you really see Derek Anderson as a backup next seasonwhen Griese, Boller, Tavaris Jackson etc.... are starters ?I see him taking one of these jobs next year.He should be a starter somewhere, imo.

 

[thayman]

He will be a ? going into next year. Will Quinn win the job in TC? Will the Browns trade him? Will the Browns go with Quinn and put Anderson on the bench??

I would say enough questions to drop his value in dynasty a little bit. At least right now anyway.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

does the staff know how Restricted Free Agency works?DA will receive the highest tender and teams will have to give up a 1st/3rd to get him. I doubt anyteam will do that. He will be with Cleveland next year and then will sign a mega deal after he tears it up for another year.

You honestly think Brady Quinn will ride the pine for 2 whole seasons ?No one will give a 1st and 3rd for DA,but he will be dealt. Quinn won't sit for 2 years waiting.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Since this is targeted at me, I will be happy to respond. The reasoning is:

Boller starting in baltimore (that is why he was extended for one year)

Tarvaris having a better chance to start than Anderson in 2008

If Griese loses the starting job to Grossman through wee 12, I will drop him. If he is not starting this week because of injury, how can I drop him? At this time, I do not see the Bears bringing in a starting QB next year. The RB position is a bigger need, as is addressing defensive depth.

Alex Smith will drop no doubt. He is horrible.

But, this discussion has more to do with Anderson, and his situation, than these guys. I think Anderson is in Cleveland next year, and Quinn is the starter. If the Browns feel that Anderson is gone in 2009, they will give Quinn more of a chance than normal. Also, whether right or wrong, I still think that Quinn sees the field this season if/when the Browns are eliminated from playoff contention. They have to evaluate him in game action.

Has Anderson played well? Yes, definitely. Do the Browns see Anderson as their QB of the future? It is not as cut and dry as many think. I think they see Quinn as their guy. By trading Frye, the Browns are keeping Anderson for 2008 even though he should be gone in 2009.

These rankings are fluid. I honestly think I could change them daily with all of the news that comes out. I realize I may see things differently than others. But, that is what makes the rankings what they are. If anyone ever has a question about why I have a player ranked where I do, please feel free to shoot me a pm or email.

 

[SayWhat?]

I for one, don't necessarily disgaree with your stance for where you have Anderson ranked but would agree that he's far too low. And kudos for backing up your viewpoint.

I think the problem is that Anderson, in just half a season, has shown a tremendous amount of upside as a fantasy QB whereas you have quite a few guys ranked above him that have either already shown they basically suck (Griese, A Smith, Losman, Leftwich, Boller) or haven't shown anything near what Anderson has nor may not get to in the near future (Quinn, Edwards, Stanton, Kolb).

 

[Foosball God]

Since this is targeted at me, I will be happy to respond. The reasoning is:Boller starting in baltimore (that is why he was extended for one year)Tarvaris having a better chance to start than Anderson in 2008If Griese loses the starting job to Grossman through wee 12, I will drop him. If he is not starting this week because of injury, how can I drop him? At this time, I do not see the Bears bringing in a starting QB next year. The RB position is a bigger need, as is addressing defensive depth. Alex Smith will drop no doubt. He is horrible.But, this discussion has more to do with Anderson, and his situation, than these guys. I think Anderson is in Cleveland next year, and Quinn is the starter. If the Browns feel that Anderson is gone in 2009, they will give Quinn more of a chance than normal. Also, whether right or wrong, I still think that Quinn sees the field this season if/when the Browns are eliminated from playoff contention. They have to evaluate him in game action.Has Anderson played well? Yes, definitely. Do the Browns see Anderson as their QB of the future? It is not as cut and dry as many think. I think they see Quinn as their guy. By trading Frye, the Browns are keeping Anderson for 2008 even though he should be gone in 2009. These rankings are fluid. I honestly think I could change them daily with all of the news that comes out. I realize I may see things differently than others. But, that is what makes the rankings what they are. If anyone ever has a question about why I have a player ranked where I do, please feel free to shoot me a pm or email.

If this is a dynasty ranking that still seems pretty low for Derek Anderson even if you think he will ride the pine next year. He would certainly get a shot with somebody the year after that unless he totally craps the bed for the rest of the season.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Those of you who think the ranking is too low, please explain why it should be higher. I can be persuaded ....

 

[az_prof]

Since this is targeted at me, I will be happy to respond. The reasoning is:Boller starting in baltimore (that is why he was extended for one year)Tarvaris having a better chance to start than Anderson in 2008If Griese loses the starting job to Grossman through wee 12, I will drop him. If he is not starting this week because of injury, how can I drop him? At this time, I do not see the Bears bringing in a starting QB next year. The RB position is a bigger need, as is addressing defensive depth. Alex Smith will drop no doubt. He is horrible.But, this discussion has more to do with Anderson, and his situation, than these guys. I think Anderson is in Cleveland next year, and Quinn is the starter. If the Browns feel that Anderson is gone in 2009, they will give Quinn more of a chance than normal. Also, whether right or wrong, I still think that Quinn sees the field this season if/when the Browns are eliminated from playoff contention. They have to evaluate him in game action.Has Anderson played well? Yes, definitely. Do the Browns see Anderson as their QB of the future? It is not as cut and dry as many think. I think they see Quinn as their guy. By trading Frye, the Browns are keeping Anderson for 2008 even though he should be gone in 2009. These rankings are fluid. I honestly think I could change them daily with all of the news that comes out. I realize I may see things differently than others. But, that is what makes the rankings what they are. If anyone ever has a question about why I have a player ranked where I do, please feel free to shoot me a pm or email.

Thanks for the response; i like Ron Mexico think the ranking is too low although I wouldn't be so ad hominem in my questioning.Smith: clearly is horrible. Jackson: I liked at the beginning of the year but he has shown nothing at all. If he doesn't improve a lot in the next few games he will not be starting next year--in fact, it might be DA brought in to take his job. Either he improves or they will get a veteran in FA or trade or draft a high rookie.Boller??? Has he ever come close to having a year like DA? Plus, that BA offense is a running offense and its best receiving weapon is an aging TE. But I would be surprised to see Boller not be challenged by someone next training camp. He can't even beat out cleanly an ancient and decrepit McNair.Griese had one good year for Denver years ago in an offense that was explosive and had lots of weapons. Since then he has bounced around and hasn't done much. Will the Bears sit tight with him next year or go after someone else? He doesn't have a strong enough arm to throw the deep passes which the Bears like to throw. If Rex plays well this week Griese will be cut next year.DA has played like a top 10 QB this year and to do so for ten games proves it isn't a fluke. He either starts again for CLE or they will trade him. But I can't see moving a guy who has done as much as he has to the bench to start an unproven QB.

 

[The Sniper]

Jeff,

You're making the same mistake made by a lot of the staff on this site: overweighting opportunity and underweighting talent. Talent always gets an opportunity eventually. Anderson is clearly outperforming many of the qb's ranked ahead of him. I don't understand what other explanation you need!?

Tavaris Jackson ahead of Derek Anderson? That's embarrassing.

 

[thayman]

Jeff,You're making the same mistake made by a lot of the staff on this site: overweighting opportunity and underweighting talent. Talent always gets an opportunity eventually. Anderson is clearly outperforming many of the qb's ranked ahead of him. I don't understand what other explanation you need!?Tavaris Jackson ahead of Derek Anderson? That's embarrassing.

As of today I agree with is ranking. Maybe not 32 but not much higher than 28. Simply because of questions surronding him. I think it is obvious that he is a great hold onto player. But as of Nov. it's way to hard to project where and what is going to be happening to Cleveland, let alone Derek Anderson.

 

[stbugs]

Those of you who think the ranking is too low, please explain why it should be higher. I can be persuaded ....

I haven't seen the rankings, but since he is QB4 in my league, I can see why #32 is too low. It isn't so much that Jackson, Smith and Boller may be starters, you have to take into account DA's ceiling. If by chance he is still starting in Cleveland next year, he definitely has the potential to be top 10 even top 5 again. Do you really think any of the three above have any remote chance to get that high? I don't think you can just stick with the starter/backup angle, you have to take into consideration the potential if they are all starters. Maybe DA is more risky right now to be a starter, but maybe your equation = 50%*top 10 potential + 50%*starter or backup chance. For guys like Big Ben, Brady, Romo, Palmer, Manning, etc., your equation is 100%*potential, but for the bottom tier, you need to balance potential versus starter/backup.Also, think about this. Imagine if there was no salary cap and Romo was signed by NE to backup Brady. Would you rather have Romo in dynasty with the chance that he is traded or plays if Brady goes down knowing he is easily top 5/10 if he plays or would you rather have Tavaris Jackson if you knew he was guaranteed to be the starter the next 3 years. Personally, I would rather have Romo knowing that Jackson is at best a bottom tier QB2 and probably would never ever start for your team anyway. DA is not Romo, but his potential seems obvious to me.

 

[Tommy Collins]

I don't see a dynasty section...

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I see that most think QB32 is too low. Where would you put Anderson? This is the question as I see it. Do you have him at 22 or 10? There are reasons for both ways.

I have him at 32, Bloom at 17, and Pasquino at 8. Those of you that are comparing Anderson to Griese, TJackson, etc, do you think QB17 (Bloom's ranking) is closer to what you see? Even after seeing the response, I can see maybe QB22-25 range. This is because I see Quinn starting in Cleveland in 2008. Could I be wrong? Sure. But, it is how I see it at this time.

Those of you that are expecting the same stats for the rest of the year (and 2008), I would like you to consider how many of Anderson's points are on touchdowns. His 24 combined touchdowns are 4th in the league. As we see at other positions, TDs are difficult to predict for year to year. Anderson is 10th in the league in passing yards. Is he having a great season? No doubt. But can we extrapolate the stats over an entire year and into next? I do not think so.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Jeff,You're making the same mistake made by a lot of the staff on this site: overweighting opportunity and underweighting talent. Talent always gets an opportunity eventually. Anderson is clearly outperforming many of the qb's ranked ahead of him. I don't understand what other explanation you need!?Tavaris Jackson ahead of Derek Anderson? That's embarrassing.

I own Jackson in multiple dynasty leagues, and Anderson in none. I would trade Jackson for DA in a second, except i would never make that offer in fear of insulting the DA owner.Jeff, or anyone else for that matter, can you honestly tell me you would trade Anderson in a dynasty for Jackson or Griese?

 

[Burning Sensation]

I don't see a dynasty section...

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/v...mp;howrecent=14

 

[cartel]

Jeff,You're making the same mistake made by a lot of the staff on this site: overweighting opportunity and underweighting talent. Talent always gets an opportunity eventually. Anderson is clearly outperforming many of the qb's ranked ahead of him. I don't understand what other explanation you need!?Tavaris Jackson ahead of Derek Anderson? That's embarrassing.

DA has alot of nice weapons and a good line. Maybe I rank him ahead of Jackson but I wonder how much talent he has as well. I remember a guy named Billy Volek...

 

[jonboltz]

Here is the top 30 in my Dynasty. Bolded are players that I'd trade for DA.

1.Brady, Tom NEP QB

2.Romo, Tony DAL QB

3.Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB

4.Anderson, Derek CLE QB

5.Manning, Peyton IND QB

6.Favre, Brett GBP QB

7.Palmer, Carson CIN QB

8.Brees, Drew NOS QB

9.Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB

10.McNabb, Donovan PHI QB

11.Kitna, Jon DET QB

12.Manning, Eli NYG QB

13.Garcia, Jeff TBB QB

14.Cutler, Jay DEN QB

15.Campbell, Jason WAS QB

16.Rivers, Philip SDC QB

17.Huard, Damon KCC QB

18.Griese, Brian CHI QB

19.Pennington, Chad NYJ QB

20.Warner, Kurt ARI QB

21.Young, Vince TEN QB

22.Harrington, Joey ATL QB

23.Schaub, Matt HOU QB

24.Bulger, Marc STL QB

25.Garrard, David JAC QB

26.Lemon, Cleo MIA QB

27.Culpepper, Daunte OAK QB

28.Green, Trent MIA QB

29.Rosenfels, Sage HOU QB

30.Delhomme, Jake CAR QB

Others: Out of those ranking 31+, only one that I'd rather have is Leinart.

This puts him in the late teens for me.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Some of those guys are not putting much thought into their rankings.

Why do you say that? Is this a pattern? I haven't really kept track of FBG's rankings to see if this is the case.If it is - What do you suggest to be done? Pruning? Or otherwise?

 

[The Sniper]

Those of you who think the ranking is too low, please explain why it should be higher. I can be persuaded ....

I haven't seen the rankings, but since he is QB4 in my league, I can see why #32 is too low. It isn't so much that Jackson, Smith and Boller may be starters, you have to take into account DA's ceiling. If by chance he is still starting in Cleveland next year, he definitely has the potential to be top 10 even top 5 again. Do you really think any of the three above have any remote chance to get that high? I don't think you can just stick with the starter/backup angle, you have to take into consideration the potential if they are all starters. Maybe DA is more risky right now to be a starter, but maybe your equation = 50%*top 10 potential + 50%*starter or backup chance. For guys like Big Ben, Brady, Romo, Palmer, Manning, etc., your equation is 100%*potential, but for the bottom tier, you need to balance potential versus starter/backup.Also, think about this. Imagine if there was no salary cap and Romo was signed by NE to backup Brady. Would you rather have Romo in dynasty with the chance that he is traded or plays if Brady goes down knowing he is easily top 5/10 if he plays or would you rather have Tavaris Jackson if you knew he was guaranteed to be the starter the next 3 years. Personally, I would rather have Romo knowing that Jackson is at best a bottom tier QB2 and probably would never ever start for your team anyway. DA is not Romo, but his potential seems obvious to me.

This guy gets it. You can always get a guy like Tavaris Jackson off the free agent list.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I don't do offensive rankings (redraft or dynasty) so I won't comment specifically on the Anderson ranking. For those of you arguing about Derek Anderson's talent, however, two comments:

1. The same GM, Phil Savage, who was enamored enough with Derek Anderson to pluck him off waivers from his former employer, was strongly rumored to have been considering cutting him in favor of Charlie Frye and Ken Dorsey this preseason.

2. As Jeff noted, the bulk of his value has come from TD passes and big plays. A significant minority of those plays have come on blown coverages and amazing catches by Edwards and Winslow. Bloom has made the argument privately that Anderson might realize that those two are so athletic that he doesn't need to be precise. I argue that his completion percentage (well below 60%) and visual evidence -- 2nd half vs PIT and 1st half vs CIN in particular -- show that he's got an arm but serious accuracy issues. Take away a stud receiving talent and the protection of his offensive line and I believe Anderson is a trainwreck waiting to happen.

32? Behind Tarvaris Jackson? Probably not. Still, I think Anderson's situation is more responsible for the numbers than any top level QB talent. I won't argue that plenty of marginal talents have had top fantasy seasons, but I think Anderson is a risky QB1.

 

[jdoggydogg]

The assumption that Anderson backs up Quinn next year doesn't make any sense.

Anderson has shown enough to sign a lucrative contract next year. If Cleveland goes nuts and does not sign Anderson as their starter, there are plenty of teams that have seen enough of Anderson to sign him to a long-term contract. Minnesota, San Francisco, Kansas City, and Miami are just a few teams that would love to sign Anderson.

Anderson is a starting QB next year. Bank on it.

 

[SayWhat?]

I see that most think QB32 is too low. Where would you put Anderson? This is the question as I see it. Do you have him at 22 or 10? There are reasons for both ways. I have him at 32, Bloom at 17, and Pasquino at 8. Those of you that are comparing Anderson to Griese, TJackson, etc, do you think QB17 (Bloom's ranking) is closer to what you see? Even after seeing the response, I can see maybe QB22-25 range. This is because I see Quinn starting in Cleveland in 2008. Could I be wrong? Sure. But, it is how I see it at this time. Those of you that are expecting the same stats for the rest of the year (and 2008), I would like you to consider how many of Anderson's points are on touchdowns. His 24 combined touchdowns are 4th in the league. As we see at other positions, TDs are difficult to predict for year to year. Anderson is 10th in the league in passing yards. Is he having a great season? No doubt. But can we extrapolate the stats over an entire year and into next? I do not think so.

Jeff - I think you're now grasping at straws when talking about Anderson's production. This is a guy who is on pace for 3,966 yards passing, after missing the first 1/2 game. But not only that, you're also discounting his TD production yet ranking QB's in such stellar offenses as Buffalo (you have both Losman and Edwards ahead of Anderson), Chicago, Baltimore, Tampa Bay and Altanta ahead of him.That being said, I don't think it's so much your view of Anderson that's way off, but instead your view of quite a few QB's that you have ranked ahead of him. We've now seen the upside in Anderson (#4 ranked QB based on FBG scoring), but do you honestly feel the following offer more promise than Anderson?Brian Griese, CHI - He's pedestrian as is, and is only starting because of Grossman's ineptitude.Brady Quinn, CLE - Very relevant to the discussion, and I have no problem with your ranking of Quinn if you feel strongly that he starts for Cleveland next season.David Garrard, JAX - Decent production, but more of a game manager than an impact fantasy QB. Trent Edwards, BUF - Hard to judge rookies, but I don't see huge upside for him in Buffalo especially since it's tough to gauge which QB they want starting.Drew Stanton, DET - Sure, the Detroit offense could be a fantasy goldmine for a QB. But Kitna's more proven and his production is lacking.Kellen Clemens, NYJ - I actually like Clemens and think he has a bright future, but wouldn't deal DA for him.Kevin Kolb, PHI - Reports have been positive, but proven nothing.Alex Smith, SF - Ugh. J.P. Losman, BUF - See Edwards, Trent.Byron Leftwich, ATL - Sorry, but Byron just isn't mobile enough to keep himself out of trouble. Jeff Garcia, TB - Very solid production, but again nowhere near Anderson and a decade older.Kyle Boller, BAL - Ugh.I just don't see any way a dynasty owner deals Derek Anderson for any of the above except potentially Quinn. And I could make arguments against some of the higher ranked QB's, but then you're splitting hairs.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Some of those guys are not putting much thought into their rankings.

Why do you say that? Is this a pattern? I haven't really kept track of FBG's rankings to see if this is the case.If it is - What do you suggest to be done? Pruning? Or otherwise?

Some are better than others, but overall, i just see far too many obvious mistakes. I have no problem with making some calls that are a bit outside the box, but some guys are taking it way too far.I dont know how these staff members qualify to post their dynasty rankings, but there are guys on the forums who are much better suited for the job, IMO. F&L's dynasty thread is far more valuable for dynasty rankings.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I don't do offensive rankings (redraft or dynasty) so I won't comment specifically on the Anderson ranking. For those of you arguing about Derek Anderson's talent, however, two comments:1. The same GM, Phil Savage, who was enamored enough with Derek Anderson to pluck him off waivers from his former employer, was strongly rumored to have been considering cutting him in favor of Charlie Frye and Ken Dorsey this preseason.2. As Jeff noted, the bulk of his value has come from TD passes and big plays. A significant minority of those plays have come on blown coverages and amazing catches by Edwards and Winslow. Bloom has made the argument privately that Anderson might realize that those two are so athletic that he doesn't need to be precise. I argue that his completion percentage (well below 60%) and visual evidence -- 2nd half vs PIT and 1st half vs CIN in particular -- show that he's got an arm but serious accuracy issues. Take away a stud receiving talent and the protection of his offensive line and I believe Anderson is a trainwreck waiting to happen.32? Behind Tarvaris Jackson? Probably not. Still, I think Anderson's situation is more responsible for the numbers than any top level QB talent. I won't argue that plenty of marginal talents have had top fantasy seasons, but I think Anderson is a risky QB1.

Charlie Frye had the same weapons and he, and the Browns looked horrible week 1 against the Steelers. The Anderson lead Browns almost beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh this weekend. I am not saying Anderson is the second coming of Brady, but fact is, the guy is putting up good numbers, and the team is exceeding expectations. The situation actually reminds me alot of the Brees/Rivers situation a couple years ago.

 

[Wadsworth]

Where would you rank Romo after last season?

Romo started 10 games last season and finished with 2900 yards, 19 TDs, 13 INTs.

Anderson has started 8, played in 9, has 2,200 yards, 20 TDs, 9 INTs. Plus 2 rushing TDs.

Anderson's numbers this season are similar to Romo's. He does have the 9 INTs, but 8 came in the first 5 games, only 1 in the last 4. Romo has better weapons, but Cleveland has a good core of young talent. Sure, Brady Quinn lurking around is an issue, but how can any team bench Anderson if he keeps this up? Cleveland has waited decades for a powerful offense, now they have one and they are going to bench the QB for a young unproven guy? I doubt it. It has to be Anderson's job to lose.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

I see that most think QB32 is too low. Where would you put Anderson? This is the question as I see it. Do you have him at 22 or 10? There are reasons for both ways. I have him at 32, Bloom at 17, and Pasquino at 8. Those of you that are comparing Anderson to Griese, TJackson, etc, do you think QB17 (Bloom's ranking) is closer to what you see? Even after seeing the response, I can see maybe QB22-25 range. This is because I see Quinn starting in Cleveland in 2008. Could I be wrong? Sure. But, it is how I see it at this time. Those of you that are expecting the same stats for the rest of the year (and 2008), I would like you to consider how many of Anderson's points are on touchdowns. His 24 combined touchdowns are 4th in the league. As we see at other positions, TDs are difficult to predict for year to year. Anderson is 10th in the league in passing yards. Is he having a great season? No doubt. But can we extrapolate the stats over an entire year and into next? I do not think so.

Jeff,I understand your logic in your previous post about why he might not be starting next year while guys like Boller, Jackson, etc very well could be. That said, don't you have to look beyond just next year while doing dynasty rankings? With what he's done this season and with how many QB starved teams there are currently in the NFL, you have to think that some team out there is willing to give him the keys and let him be their QB of the future. The current Cleveland situation seems like a similar situation as Cincinnati a few years ago where Kitna had a great year while keeping the position warm for Palmer and after a year of being the backup, was traded to Detroit. If anything, Anderson is actually in a better situation since Palmer was a much better prospect than Quinn is now.Given all that above combined with the fact that Baltimore, Atlanta, and Minnesota have brutal QB situations right now and in 2 years at least some of Buffalo, NYJ, Miami, KC, Phi, GB, Chi, or SF will be looking for a starter as well, don't you think that he'll be offered a starting job by some team in 2009 at the very worst?Considering all this, I would say he definitely would rank ahead of guys who have proven to be mediocre talents like: BollerT. JacksonGrieseI would also at least consider ranking him ahead of most the unproven young guys who haven't played (or haven't played very well) like:BeckRussellStantonQuinnLosman/EdwardsLeftwichKolbClemensA. SmithThen, I would consider that over the next 3 years he will put up similar stats to a guy like Jeff Garcia in Tampa so I'd rank him ahead of Garcia because from year 3 on he will obviously be better. Given all that, I would conservatively rank him #15 or #16 with his future team situation dictating either an upside or downside from there.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I dont know how these staff members qualify to post their dynasty rankings, but there are guys on the forums who are much better suited for the job, IMO. F&L's dynasty thread is far more valuable for dynasty rankings.

 

[Wadsworth]

With respect, I don't find Kitna's last season in Cincy a fair comparison. That was Kitna's 7th NFL season, he was 30 or 31 years old and he had already started 60 NFL games before the 2003 season. Also, Palmer was a number 1 pick overall.

 

[mozzy84]

The assumption that Anderson backs up Quinn next year doesn't make any sense. Anderson has shown enough to sign a lucrative contract next year. If Cleveland goes nuts and does not sign Anderson as their starter, there are plenty of teams that have seen enough of Anderson to sign him to a long-term contract. Minnesota, San Francisco, Kansas City, and Miami are just a few teams that would love to sign Anderson.Anderson is a starting QB next year. Bank on it.

one of those teams is going to have to give up a first rounder next year won't they? I doubt cleveland accepts any less, I don't see any of those teams doing that, not with that high of a pick.

 

[az_prof]

I see that most think QB32 is too low. Where would you put Anderson? This is the question as I see it. Do you have him at 22 or 10? There are reasons for both ways. I have him at 32, Bloom at 17, and Pasquino at 8. Those of you that are comparing Anderson to Griese, TJackson, etc, do you think QB17 (Bloom's ranking) is closer to what you see? Even after seeing the response, I can see maybe QB22-25 range. This is because I see Quinn starting in Cleveland in 2008. Could I be wrong? Sure. But, it is how I see it at this time. Those of you that are expecting the same stats for the rest of the year (and 2008), I would like you to consider how many of Anderson's points are on touchdowns. His 24 combined touchdowns are 4th in the league. As we see at other positions, TDs are difficult to predict for year to year. Anderson is 10th in the league in passing yards. Is he having a great season? No doubt. But can we extrapolate the stats over an entire year and into next? I do not think so.

I would say Bloom is about right; there ARE legitimate questions about whether he can do this again or whether he is riding the tails of a hot WR and TE. A few years ago Tenn had a hot QB and he was replaced by VY ( a mistake IMO) and is now backing up Rivers. So, could the same thing happen to Anderson? Yes, but I don't think so. I think Anderson has shown more. I would put him somewhere in the 12-18 range.

 

[RavensUNFL]

2. As Jeff noted, the bulk of his value has come from TD passes and big plays. A significant minority of those plays have come on blown coverages and amazing catches by Edwards and Winslow. Bloom has made the argument privately that Anderson might realize that those two are so athletic that he doesn't need to be precise. I argue that his completion percentage (well below 60%) and visual evidence -- 2nd half vs PIT and 1st half vs CIN in particular -- show that he's got an arm but serious accuracy issues. Take away a stud receiving talent and the protection of his offensive line and I believe Anderson is a trainwreck waiting to happen.

I think this comment, (No offense intended Jene) is similar to the guy that says, Soandso RB really sucks cause if you take away is 5@75 yard TD runs, his average is only 3.5. You can't "take" away from his stats cause a guy made a great play and I don't think it's fair to hold it against a guy. I also think, you may be able to pinpoint a few plays, but he has been fairly solid all year long and that is with one of the worst RB's in the entire NFL behind him.

Also hard to blame the QB for having a good line.

 

[shakeybarn]

Anderson has had a great season, yes. But we dont know where he will be next year or whether he will continue to perform at a high level.

The original post does have a point... and to follow on your logic.... "we don't know whether he will continue to perform at a high level"Alex Smith and Kyle Boller have NEVER performed at a high level... yet Anderson is ranked lower. You can only get lucky so much.....Pittsburgh defense in Pittsburgh... was a decent showing comparable to other QBs at a level ranked much higher.Besides, if the guy is SO INACCURATE as many ppl keep stating here, REGARDLESS of the talent he is throwing to... he should be throwing picks left and right.. which he's not. He got picked off 3 times by NewEngland... but did post 200/2.. and kept them within 10 pts for most of the second half.

 

[Wadsworth]

2. As Jeff noted, the bulk of his value has come from TD passes and big plays. A significant minority of those plays have come on blown coverages and amazing catches by Edwards and Winslow. Bloom has made the argument privately that Anderson might realize that those two are so athletic that he doesn't need to be precise. I argue that his completion percentage (well below 60%) and visual evidence -- 2nd half vs PIT and 1st half vs CIN in particular -- show that he's got an arm but serious accuracy issues. Take away a stud receiving talent and the protection of his offensive line and I believe Anderson is a trainwreck waiting to happen.

He's been over 60% in 3 of his last 4 games and over 70% in 2 of his last 4 games. Over that same span he's had almost 1,000 yards, 10 TDs and 1 INT. He's a kid with little experience before this season and appears to be improving rapidly.

 

[shakeybarn]

Those of you that are expecting the same stats for the rest of the year (and 2008), I would like you to consider how many of Anderson's points are on touchdowns. His 24 combined touchdowns are 4th in the league. As we see at other positions, TDs are difficult to predict for year to year. Anderson is 10th in the league in passing yards. Is he having a great season? No doubt. But can we extrapolate the stats over an entire year and into next? I do not think so.

Lordy... this is how/why you draft going forward, and make analytical predictions. True TDs are tough predict, but what's tough to predict is the blow up years, what is not (with fairly good accuracy) is the "predictable base of a starting QB", a la 22 TDs for some or 26 TDs for others, rarely will they fall much below the mark, but at times can spike way over it. Sorry, the guy just put up 3 TDs (not matter how he got it) vs Pit in Pit, ran roughshod in the air on the Seahawks (to have JLew snipe 4 times) for 364, threw for almost 300/2 vs New England, throws for 3+ TDs against weaker teams (AS A QUALITY QB SHOULD and DOES) vs Cin (5), STL (3), not to mention has a hall pass to run to the end zone when the opportunity arises.He put up 4 TDs, with 1 INT in two games vs the #1 pass D.... a defense that averages .85 TDs a game outside of facing the Browns. Great offensive pass o-line, but give him some credit in getting rid of and/or protecting the ball if you've watched the games. He has 1 lost fumble all year, and only 3 fumbles.the guy has faced (by yds) the following rank of pass defenses#1 #28#4#12#6#5#17#20#1two cushy, two middle of the road, and five TOP 5 pass defenses....have you seen his schedule after facing #12 pass D Baltimore????What else do you guys want this guy to prove?? I think those of sticking up for him, aren't saying he's the next coming, but he's certainly... certainly a quality fantasy football QB.Question: what do Winslow's and Edward's numbers look like with Alex Smith or Kyle Boller throwing them the ball?Whatever. Please, I hope you are like my league mates who carry your thoughts into next year, so I can grab him for $3. You keep drafting a team that looks great the prior in Steve Smith, Frank Gore, and Philip Rivers.

 

[thayman]

Where would you rank Romo after last season?Romo started 10 games last season and finished with 2900 yards, 19 TDs, 13 INTs.Anderson has started 8, played in 9, has 2,200 yards, 20 TDs, 9 INTs. Plus 2 rushing TDs.Anderson's numbers this season are similar to Romo's. He does have the 9 INTs, but 8 came in the first 5 games, only 1 in the last 4. Romo has better weapons, but Cleveland has a good core of young talent. Sure, Brady Quinn lurking around is an issue, but how can any team bench Anderson if he keeps this up? Cleveland has waited decades for a powerful offense, now they have one and they are going to bench the QB for a young unproven guy? I doubt it. It has to be Anderson's job to lose.

The one big thing you are not looking at with comparing Romo to Anderson, is that Romo did not have a 1st round draft choice sitting behind him on the bench. Because of the massive question mark there, we just won't know what is happening there until the off-season. Anyone trying to figure out who, what, and when will happen with the Anderson/Quinn situation will just be guessing. Personally I think a open competition in training camp with Anderson winning would be best for the Browns. Quinn sitting on the bench is certainly not a bad idea.

 

[shakeybarn]

Take away a stud receiving talent and the protection of his offensive line and I believe Anderson is a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Huh????Take away Reggie Wayne, Marvin, and Peyton's pass protection... oh wait, just take away Marvin... and he throws 6 INTs vs the Chargers. But like Peyton and Brees... even when he has a bad game he still provides some production (unlike a Bulger or Rivers, who just fully melteddown).That's dumb. Again, my post above... look the defenses he's faced... wait until the batting donut is off the rest of the way,. especially weeks 14-16, when he faces #24, #26, #28 (NYJ, BUF, CIN. Which will make the anti-Derek Anderson burn hurt even more, when teams are succesful starting him the most important weeks of the year... or SF in week 17 for those formats.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Just because someone put up big passing yards doesn't mean they are a long term NFL starting caliber QB. Scott Mitchell threw for over 4000 yards and we all know how that turned out.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Since this is targeted at me, I will be happy to respond. The reasoning is:Boller starting in baltimore (that is why he was extended for one year)Tarvaris having a better chance to start than Anderson in 2008If Griese loses the starting job to Grossman through wee 12, I will drop him. If he is not starting this week because of injury, how can I drop him? At this time, I do not see the Bears bringing in a starting QB next year. The RB position is a bigger need, as is addressing defensive depth. Alex Smith will drop no doubt. He is horrible.But, this discussion has more to do with Anderson, and his situation, than these guys. I think Anderson is in Cleveland next year, and Quinn is the starter. If the Browns feel that Anderson is gone in 2009, they will give Quinn more of a chance than normal. Also, whether right or wrong, I still think that Quinn sees the field this season if/when the Browns are eliminated from playoff contention. They have to evaluate him in game action.Has Anderson played well? Yes, definitely. Do the Browns see Anderson as their QB of the future? It is not as cut and dry as many think. I think they see Quinn as their guy. By trading Frye, the Browns are keeping Anderson for 2008 even though he should be gone in 2009. These rankings are fluid. I honestly think I could change them daily with all of the news that comes out. I realize I may see things differently than others. But, that is what makes the rankings what they are. If anyone ever has a question about why I have a player ranked where I do, please feel free to shoot me a pm or email.

Thanks for the response; i like Ron Mexico think the ranking is too low although I wouldn't be so ad hominem in my questioning.Smith: clearly is horrible. Jackson: I liked at the beginning of the year but he has shown nothing at all. If he doesn't improve a lot in the next few games he will not be starting next year--in fact, it might be DA brought in to take his job. Either he improves or they will get a veteran in FA or trade or draft a high rookie.Boller??? Has he ever come close to having a year like DA? Plus, that BA offense is a running offense and its best receiving weapon is an aging TE. But I would be surprised to see Boller not be challenged by someone next training camp. He can't even beat out cleanly an ancient and decrepit McNair.Griese had one good year for Denver years ago in an offense that was explosive and had lots of weapons. Since then he has bounced around and hasn't done much. Will the Bears sit tight with him next year or go after someone else? He doesn't have a strong enough arm to throw the deep passes which the Bears like to throw. If Rex plays well this week Griese will be cut next year.DA has played like a top 10 QB this year and to do so for ten games proves it isn't a fluke. He either starts again for CLE or they will trade him. But I can't see moving a guy who has done as much as he has to the bench to start an unproven QB.

Well said.I concur with this analysis.Like another poster said,placing opportunity ahead of talent level is a mistakein this case. Anderson has not done it for one or two games,he has done it for half a season putting up 20 TDs and 9 INTS, along with 2200+ yards for a team that was supposed to be absolute garbage..

 

[thayman]

Take away a stud receiving talent and the protection of his offensive line and I believe Anderson is a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Huh????Take away Reggie Wayne, Marvin, and Peyton's pass protection... oh wait, just take away Marvin... and he throws 6 INTs vs the Chargers. But like Peyton and Brees... even when he has a bad game he still provides some production (unlike a Bulger or Rivers, who just fully melteddown).That's dumb. Again, my post above... look the defenses he's faced... wait until the batting donut is off the rest of the way,. especially weeks 14-16, when he faces #24, #26, #28 (NYJ, BUF, CIN. Which will make the anti-Derek Anderson burn hurt even more, when teams are succesful starting him the most important weeks of the year... or SF in week 17 for those formats.

His numbers this year should be very good. Personally I only give him a hit to his rankings simply because it is too hard to figure out what will happen in the off-season. Exact same situation, I think he is in the top 10.

 

[theoneandonly]

DA has been great this season. What the gm thought about him before the year makes no diff. Hes shown he can play at this level. Sometimes qbs come out of nowhere to be great. If he resigns with the browns he will be there qb next season. You dont bench a guy after making a pro bowl just because his backup was drafted in the first round. If anything the browns trade either anderson our quinn. Probaly trade Anderson because his value is higher. Theres alot of teams watching anderson wishing they had aqb like him. Some of those guys ranked ahead of him are just awful. How can you say so many of his numbers came from big plays? Hes a qb! What would he look better toyou guys if he was making short passes like Garcia every play. Hes doing a great job over there. Give the man some credit.

 

[loose circuits]

does the staff know how Restricted Free Agency works?DA will receive the highest tender and teams will have to give up a 1st/3rd to get him. I doubt anyteam will do that. He will be with Cleveland next year and then will sign a mega deal after he tears it up for another year.

You honestly think Brady Quinn will ride the pine for 2 whole seasons ?No one will give a 1st and 3rd for DA,but he will be dealt. Quinn won't sit for 2 years waiting.

Phillip Rivers was a higher draft pick and he rode the pine for 2 years. If DA continues to play this well throughout the season, I do not see Cleveland benching him next year...I also think they will find it tough to get fair compensation for him and if they trade him away, Quinn flops they'll be left with more problems.I guess it's just a matter of perspective. If you think DA will be starting in Cleveland next year, then you would obviously have him much higher because he'll be in the same situation...

 

[renesauz]

While I am not one to criticize too strongly dynasty rankings, I'm having a very hard time seeing him any lower then around #22...and could justify him in the 16-18 range pretty easily. I mean, aren't dynasty rankings supposed to be about LONG TERM potential/talent..not just immediate prospects? Barring an immediate meltdown, Anderson will be the unquestioned starter for somebody in 2009, AT WORST...and is almost certainly the unquestioned starter for Cleveland or a trade partner next year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Jeff,You're making the same mistake made by a lot of the staff on this site: overweighting opportunity and underweighting talent. Talent always gets an opportunity eventually. Anderson is clearly outperforming many of the qb's ranked ahead of him. I don't understand what other explanation you need!?Tavaris Jackson ahead of Derek Anderson? That's embarrassing.

I've been accused of this as well (and I'm WAY higher than Jeff on Derek right now), but you're omitting things that also have value:- Roster spots, because you can't wait forever. Case in point - Michael Vick. If he comes back in 2010(?) he has good value, but can you keep a zero for two years?- Opportunity creates value. Talent is "potential" that can be nullified much easier than opportunity. Bad coach, bad situation, bad O-line, injury, drafted by wrong team, stuck on the bench..... some or all can be the situation for talented prospects. Opportunity also can score points for your team now, rather than later. IMHO, opportunity is underappreciated by many.