Desperation Week (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

Most veteran fantasy owners know that "one week does not a season make" and so even if their guys whiff in Week One, MOST can keep calm and just stick to it. But human nature starts to set in after Week 2. If studs (or supposed studs) really whiff in back-to-back weeks, lots of owners start really feeling the panic button. In my humble experience, this is absolutely one of the best times of the year to be aggressive with your trade talk.

There are always opportunities, but this week psychologically seems to work a bit more than next week. Why? Because if a guy has ANOTHER whiff week, the potential buyer (that means you), is now staring at a 3-week "trend" and you're less likely to believe in the bounce yourself. Human nature. Flip side, if a guy has a big Week 3 after whiffing in Weeks 1-2, the owners are more likely to breath a sigh of relief and feel like they're back on track.

So have at it fellas, go get those studs now before you talk yourselves out of it next week.

 

[FUBAR]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?

Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

 

[puckalicious]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

Possibly Gore depending on tonight.

 

[ponchsox]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

When did Flacco become a stud?

 

[Jason Wood]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

QB -- Romo / Flacco / EliRB -- MJD / Rice / D-Will / Mendenhall / J. Charles / Benson / BarberWR -- Megatron / B Marshall / Jennings / Ward / Bowe / WallaceTE -- Witten / Gonzalez / Zach Miller

 

[Deranged Hermit]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

QB -- Romo / Flacco / EliRB -- MJD / Rice / D-Will / Mendenhall / J. Charles / Benson / BarberWR -- Megatron / B Marshall / Jennings / Ward / Bowe / WallaceTE -- Witten / Gonzalez / Zach Miller

You could probably add Randy Moss to this list. He didn't light it up week one or two.

 

[Magnum]

JW........you are spot on here. I've been at this game a long time........and I find myself fighting the urge to do "something" with DWill this morning. Over reacting is just part of human nature. Time to start laying the subtle ground work for a late week "well, it's a bit risky for me, but trading has upside for both of us" move.

 

[ponchsox]

You might be able to pick up SJax on the cheap since he hasn't found the endzone.

 

[shader]

JW........you are spot on here. I've been at this game a long time........and I find myself fighting the urge to do "something" with DWill this morning. Over reacting is just part of human nature. Time to start laying the subtle ground work for a late week "well, it's a bit risky for me, but trading has upside for both of us" move.

Deangelo is the biggest "hold" in the league right now. If you have him, don't dare let him go. Why? Because you won't get his value, and he won't continue this pace..unless Fox truly is trying to wreck the team. Yes, there are concerns, but Deangelo is a stud and shouldn't be let go for peanuts.

 

[Keepers]

I don't see how Romo and Mendy fit on a list of buy low.

Romo - passed for over 650 yds in 2 games, he hasn't got the TDs but no one will be selling him low.

Mendy - one good game and one game against a tough D, if adding Mendy to the list maybe we should also include CJ as he had a bad game.

 

[shader]

I'd going to add another 'buy low' to the mix. Shonn Greene.

He is exactly what I thought he is. A young bruiser who Rex Ryan loves. He got more carries than LT yesterday and had a solid game running the ball.

Now yes, some owners (myself included) drafted him to be much more than a back who gets 15 carries.

But I personally was always of the belief that he would split time with LT, and that his workload would increase as the season goes on.

Now that the pendulum has swung towards LT, and he is the guy who gets all the love, the shark move is to go scoop up Greene while he's laying on the floor. He's still young, he still is the same guy who dominated in the playoffs last year, and as Sanchez showed this week, one week can make a huge difference.

And LT is still old, and I'll just be absolutely shocked if he can make it through the entire year looking this good. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but it would be a rarity for a 30 year old.

Regardless, Greene can be had for peanuts, so go get him.

 

[Gr00vus]

WR -- ... Bowe ...

I think FGBs has been off on this guy all along - their passing offense is going to be very bad all season, i.e. Bowe is not a "stud." He might be a WR2 going forward, probably more of a WR3/WR2 tweener. I wouldn't make a ton of effort to get this guy on your team.

 

[PahtyTom]

WR -- ... Bowe ...

I think FGBs has been off on this guy all along - their passing offense is going to be very bad all season, i.e. Bowe is not a "stud." He might be a WR2 going forward, probably more of a WR3/WR2 tweener. I wouldn't make a ton of effort to get this guy on your team.

This might change based on volume once KC starts losing more and needs to throw

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

WR -- ... Bowe ...

I think FGBs has been off on this guy all along - their passing offense is going to be very bad all season, i.e. Bowe is not a "stud." He might be a WR2 going forward, probably more of a WR3/WR2 tweener. I wouldn't make a ton of effort to get this guy on your team.

He's not that good.

 

[Gr00vus]

WR -- ... Bowe ...

I think FGBs has been off on this guy all along - their passing offense is going to be very bad all season, i.e. Bowe is not a "stud." He might be a WR2 going forward, probably more of a WR3/WR2 tweener. I wouldn't make a ton of effort to get this guy on your team.

This might change based on volume once KC starts losing more and needs to throw

If the team had rational people calling the plays I'd somewhat agree with you - even then I'd question their ability to be successful enough for the volume to make it pay. But the Chiefs' playcallers seem to be lobotomized.

 

[Jason Wood]

To be clear, everyone's list of "Buy Low" studs is going to vary just as our rankings/projections/gut feelings did in the preseason. My point really is just to say that WHOEVER YOU COVET, now is the time to try to pry them away from a panicky owner. In many leagues it won't work b/c the owner won't want to sell low, which is probably the smart move. But there will be guys panicked, particularly if they're staring at 0-2 in the league or toward the bottom of the league standings in total points.

 

[Wild Young Billy]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

QB -- Romo / Flacco / EliRB -- MJD / Rice / D-Will / Mendenhall / J. Charles / Benson / BarberWR -- Megatron / B Marshall / Jennings / Ward / Bowe / WallaceTE -- Witten / Gonzalez / Zach Miller

I own one player from each position in that list.

 

[Grahamburn]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

QB -- Romo / Flacco / EliRB -- MJD / Rice / D-Will / Mendenhall / J. Charles / Benson / BarberWR -- Megatron / B Marshall / Jennings / Ward / Bowe / WallaceTE -- Witten / Gonzalez / Zach Miller

You could probably add Randy Moss to this list. He didn't light it up week one or two.

He may not have had big weeks, but those are two of the toughest pass defenses in the NFL. I agree he could be a buy low, but after his owners saw that one handed grab I doubt the sell him low.

 

[packersfan]

You might be able to pick up SJax on the cheap since he hasn't found the endzone.

As an SJax owner, he'd be tough to get from me. He's getting his yards, he's active in the passing game, Bradford looks like the real deal and their schedule is very appealing. Injuries are also a concern with him but if he can stay healthy I think he's going to put up some very good numbers this season.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

QB -- Romo / Flacco / EliRB -- MJD / Rice / D-Will / Mendenhall / J. Charles / Benson / BarberWR -- Megatron / B Marshall / Jennings / Ward / Bowe / WallaceTE -- Witten / Gonzalez / Zach Miller

I agree with the list however when I see someone like RIce he looks good and just has not found the end zone yet. But when I look at DeAngelo I see a guy that might underperform all year. The 2nd part of this experiment is finding the guy that actually will turn it around. Buying low on a player that remains low is not smart. Romo, Rice, MJD, Benson, Calvin, Jennings...I would buy those guys. But certain guys like Brandon Marshall and I mentioned it all off season, that guy is not going ot catch 100 balls in a Tony Sporano coached team, not gonna happen.

 

[qimqam]

JW........you are spot on here. I've been at this game a long time........and I find myself fighting the urge to do "something" with DWill this morning. Over reacting is just part of human nature. Time to start laying the subtle ground work for a late week "well, it's a bit risky for me, but trading has upside for both of us" move.

Deangelo is the biggest "hold" in the league right now. If you have him, don't dare let him go. Why? Because you won't get his value, and he won't continue this pace..unless Fox truly is trying to wreck the team. Yes, there are concerns, but Deangelo is a stud and shouldn't be let go for peanuts.

Deangelo is no stud ... He wasn't last year and it's worse this year.Obvoiusly there are some (see above) that think he is a stud which makes him a sell.You can get something decent for him.

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

QB -- Romo / Flacco / EliRB -- MJD / Rice / D-Will / Mendenhall / J. Charles / Benson / BarberWR -- Megatron / B Marshall / Jennings / Ward / Bowe / WallaceTE -- Witten / Gonzalez / Zach Miller

I agree with the list however when I see someone like RIce he looks good and just has not found the end zone yet. But when I look at DeAngelo I see a guy that might underperform all year. The 2nd part of this experiment is finding the guy that actually will turn it around. Buying low on a player that remains low is not smart. Romo, Rice, MJD, Benson, Calvin, Jennings...I would buy those guys. But certain guys like Brandon Marshall and I mentioned it all off season, that guy is not going ot catch 100 balls in a Tony Sporano coached team, not gonna happen.

Considering the prices they will go for, I'd rather trade for DeAngelo than Rice/MJD

 

[puckalicious]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?

Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

QB -- Romo / Flacco / EliRB -- MJD / Rice / D-Will / Mendenhall / J. Charles / Benson / Barber

WR -- Megatron / B Marshall / Jennings / Ward / Bowe / Wallace

TE -- Witten / Gonzalez / Zach Miller

I agree with the list however when I see someone like RIce he looks good and just has not found the end zone yet. But when I look at DeAngelo I see a guy that might underperform all year. The 2nd part of this experiment is finding the guy that actually will turn it around. Buying low on a player that remains low is not smart.

Romo, Rice, MJD, Benson, Calvin, Jennings...I would buy those guys. But certain guys like Brandon Marshall and I mentioned it all off season, that guy is not going ot catch 100 balls in a Tony Sporano coached team, not gonna happen.

I tend to agree with you, but he is on pace for 96 catches.

 

[shader]

JW........you are spot on here. I've been at this game a long time........and I find myself fighting the urge to do "something" with DWill this morning. Over reacting is just part of human nature. Time to start laying the subtle ground work for a late week "well, it's a bit risky for me, but trading has upside for both of us" move.

Deangelo is the biggest "hold" in the league right now. If you have him, don't dare let him go. Why? Because you won't get his value, and he won't continue this pace..unless Fox truly is trying to wreck the team. Yes, there are concerns, but Deangelo is a stud and shouldn't be let go for peanuts.

Deangelo is no stud ... He wasn't last year and it's worse this year.Obvoiusly there are some (see above) that think he is a stud which makes him a sell.You can get something decent for him.

He had 1300 yards and 7 td's last year despite missing 3 games to injury ( and most of a 4th)He is definetely a stud.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?

Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

QB -- Romo / Flacco / EliRB -- MJD / Rice / D-Will / Mendenhall / J. Charles / Benson / Barber

WR -- Megatron / B Marshall / Jennings / Ward / Bowe / Wallace

TE -- Witten / Gonzalez / Zach Miller

I agree with the list however when I see someone like RIce he looks good and just has not found the end zone yet. But when I look at DeAngelo I see a guy that might underperform all year. The 2nd part of this experiment is finding the guy that actually will turn it around. Buying low on a player that remains low is not smart.

Romo, Rice, MJD, Benson, Calvin, Jennings...I would buy those guys. But certain guys like Brandon Marshall and I mentioned it all off season, that guy is not going ot catch 100 balls in a Tony Sporano coached team, not gonna happen.

I tend to agree with you, but he is on pace for 96 catches.

Go all the way and say he is on pace for 96/960/0Tds for the season...

 

[Wild Young Billy]

Just offered a guy in my league Nicks for Rice. I need to see how desperate he is. Or is it me that's desperate?

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

Just offered a guy in my league Nicks for Rice. I need to see how desperate he is. Or is it me that's desperate?

 

[puckalicious]

I agree with the list however when I see someone like RIce he looks good and just has not found the end zone yet. But when I look at DeAngelo I see a guy that might underperform all year. The 2nd part of this experiment is finding the guy that actually will turn it around. Buying low on a player that remains low is not smart.

Romo, Rice, MJD, Benson, Calvin, Jennings...I would buy those guys. But certain guys like Brandon Marshall and I mentioned it all off season, that guy is not going ot catch 100 balls in a Tony Sporano coached team, not gonna happen.

I tend to agree with you, but he is on pace for 96 catches.

Go all the way and say he is on pace for 96/960/0Tds for the season...

Well for accuracy's sake, he's on pace for 96/992/0; however you specifically mentioned catches so that's all I was prorating.

 

[Jed]

The #1 buy low has to be MJD. That fact that Jax is horrible didn't hurt him that much last year, and he will put up studly numbers soon enough.

 

[Jason Wood]

The #1 buy low has to be MJD. That fact that Jax is horrible didn't hurt him that much last year, and he will put up studly numbers soon enough.

True. But to be honest, I am at least a little interested in hearing how he handles his own struggles on his fantasy show next week.

 

[3nOut]

This thread would be much more useful if the 'price' for these target players were mentioned. What would it take to egt these studes now? For example, if you are targetting MJD, what would you be willing to offer the other own to land him? For example (and its only an example, not what I'd give)

MJD = P Thomas and D Bowe

This would provide us a guage on which to measure and make decent offers.

 

[JD8p]

Just offered a guy in my league Nicks for Rice. I need to see how desperate he is. Or is it me that's desperate?

Attempting to buy low is one thing...insulting the dude is another.I would probably go back with something a little closer to reasonable.

 

[Pots]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?

Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

Not studs

 

[Wild Young Billy]

Just offered a guy in my league Nicks for Rice. I need to see how desperate he is. Or is it me that's desperate?

Attempting to buy low is one thing...insulting the dude is another.I would probably go back with something a little closer to reasonable.

He's probably calling his buddy in our league right now to see if it's a good trade. he doesn't make a move without him. I am not worried about offending him.

 

[thekidd2009]

I'm so desperate i just traded matt ryan for vincent jackson and am praying that the vikings hit the panic button and trade for him. They're 0-2 and gave Farve all that money for this year and i'm hoping they still believe they are a superbowl contender.

I think Mike Wallace will be a good buy low unless the owner is waiting on big ben to come back.

 

[CentralPA]

You can put me in the "panicky owner category". I've got MJD and Randy Moss and I am seriously considering dealing one of the two to try and get some extra help at RB.

 

[ang12]

Thoughts on buying Mathews and Turner after their injury scares?

 

[thekidd2009]

Thoughts on buying Mathews and Turner after their injury scares?

I would definitely throw some offers out for either Turner or Matthews but as a Turner owner myself, there is no way im letting him go for cheap. I could see a Matthews owner being a little worried and you might be able to get him on the cheap.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Good thread. I may have to throw some offers out there but I also think it's easier to target/gamble on a midlevel player. Most people I play with still love their draft and skill players way too much, even after laying a couple eggs. They will ask for a ton for a player like Rice, MJD, Charles... The other side of the coin of course is bailing on some of these"studs" who are underperforming because they are who they are and the situation is grim. MJD may fall into that category. There is always someone who over values some players for a variety of reasons and is not scared off by a poor week or two. In my dynasty league I'm more likely to hang onto a player like DWil to see where he lands next year but it's getting close to "fish or cut bait" time. Next years draft picks are a good tool to entice 0-2 teams to trade up a player as well- if one thinks the brass ring is within reach.

 

[Magnum]

I was just offered MJD for J. Best & Nicks.

A week ago I would have been all over this................but, the CJ like performance by Best has me holding off (and Nicks four TD's).

 

[Todem]

I agree Jason,

Goin shopping this week.

 

[Jason Wood]

I was just offered MJD for J. Best & Nicks. A week ago I would have been all over this................but, the CJ like performance by Best has me holding off (and Nicks four TD's).

I don't see that as buying low, you're giving up two guys many (myself included) viewed as Top 20 players at their position with upside.

 

[Magnum]

I was just offered MJD for J. Best & Nicks. A week ago I would have been all over this................but, the CJ like performance by Best has me holding off (and Nicks four TD's).

I don't see that as buying low, you're giving up two guys many (myself included) viewed as Top 20 players at their position with upside.

I'm not disagreeing with you. That's why I'm "holding off". But, I have to admit just seeing "MJD" in a trade offer gets my full attention.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Good thread. This is definitely the time to maybe steal an underachieving potential stud from a panicking owner.

Having said that, I do have to say that I would not pull the trigger on DeAngelo. The guy is one of the most talented backs in the league, but he is stuck on a bad team with a bad passing game and a coaching staff who seems unsure of how to use him properly this year. Plus, he doesn't catch a lot of balls and TDs will probably be hard to come by this year.

 

[JD8p]

Just offered a guy in my league Nicks for Rice. I need to see how desperate he is. Or is it me that's desperate?

Attempting to buy low is one thing...insulting the dude is another.I would probably go back with something a little closer to reasonable.

He's probably calling his buddy in our league right now to see if it's a good trade. he doesn't make a move without him. I am not worried about offending him.

Will his buddy be offended?

 

[Dr. No]

it's gotten to the point in the FFL world though where trades are practically impossible because of threads like this though.

No one wants to sell low, buy high, or any of that.

So I can go after some star who's struggled like MJD and the owner will just be like: "I invested a #3 in this guy and he got his bad weeks out of the way early and now he's gonna blow up, and you think NOW is the time I want to trade him?"

Sometimes I just wish trading were banned.... because if i were a MJD owner i would just be deleting trade rape offers.

 

[az_prof]

JW - which studs would you consider going after?Off hand, it seems DWill, MJD, Bowe, Flacco, Favre, and maybe Witten would be decent buys. Who else?

QB -- Romo / Flacco / EliRB -- MJD / Rice / D-Will / Mendenhall / J. Charles / Benson / BarberWR -- Megatron / B Marshall / Jennings / Ward / Bowe / WallaceTE -- Witten / Gonzalez / Zach Miller

I agree with the list however when I see someone like RIce he looks good and just has not found the end zone yet. But when I look at DeAngelo I see a guy that might underperform all year. The 2nd part of this experiment is finding the guy that actually will turn it around. Buying low on a player that remains low is not smart. Romo, Rice, MJD, Benson, Calvin, Jennings...I would buy those guys. But certain guys like Brandon Marshall and I mentioned it all off season, that guy is not going ot catch 100 balls in a Tony Sporano coached team, not gonna happen.

I agree that Romo, Rice, MJD, Calvin and Jennings will all be fine.But I disagree that Marshall is not going to come close to catcing a 100 balls and nto sure why you see the first two weeks as supporting your assertion. He has 12 receptions after two weeks. That's 6 catches/week on average. Multiply that by 16 games and you get 96 passes. I guess his production could fall off, but he is the primary target in that offense, they look to him in short yardage passing situations, and he catches everything insight. He doesn't have a TD yet, but receiving TDs are among the most variable stats. In PPR in particular he is doing just fine.

 

[3nOut]

I was just offered MJD for J. Best & Nicks.

A week ago I would have been all over this................but, the CJ like performance by Best has me holding off (and Nicks four TD's).

I don't see that as buying low, you're giving up two guys many (myself included) viewed as Top 20 players at their position with upside.

Yes this is not buying low, but you have to ask 3 questions:1. Who is the better player?

2. If you were to draft TODAY, who would you draft first?

3. Can Best and Nicks sustain this success? Is it possible for Nicks to keep up this pace and finish with 36 TDs for the year? Same with Best?

What we consider consistent in FF terms does not mean repeating the exact performance week in and week out. Its all peaks and valleys. The consistent players have smaller differences between their peaks and valleys. Best and Nicks are due to lay some (TD) goose-eggs coming up, while MJD will have much better weeks ahead of him. Now may be a good time to benefit from MJD's 'upturn'.

Depending on my roster and my needs, if I was offered another 'lower' WR or a TE in return in addition to MJD, I would actually consider this offer.

 

[Polish Hammer]

I laid the groundwork last week with the owner and will now be targetting Moss heavily this week. He faces Buffalo and should have a nice game so if you want to target him, do it now.

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

it's gotten to the point in the FFL world though where trades are practically impossible because of threads like this though.No one wants to sell low, buy high, or any of that.So I can go after some star who's struggled like MJD and the owner will just be like: "I invested a #3 in this guy and he got his bad weeks out of the way early and now he's gonna blow up, and you think NOW is the time I want to trade him?"Sometimes I just wish trading were banned.... because if i were a MJD owner i would just be deleting trade rape offers.

I disagree. So many sharks, hawks, and various other animals are so busy trying to sell a certain guy before they crash I think it's actually a great time to buy before the value goes higher.Example: DMC - everyone is trying to dump him before his value crashes. I don't think his value WILL crash (relatively speaking...he won't put up 150 yards every game). I think you're actually buying him *low* right now but because everyone is trying to sell high you're actually getting some good value. The uber studs don't move that easily but you can have a field day with others. Really, if you just follow these threads and do the opposite of what most people are saying you'll probably do rather well for yourself.