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Detroit should have had the ball... (5 Viewers)

Is every Seahawks fan this dense? Is it so hard to say, "sure, we got a lucky break on a no call"?

I just don't understand, since the end result stays the same. Some of you guys are funny.

 
Seriously??? You want the big break on a technicality? Kam made the play. The ball was heading out of bounds, regardless.

Grow a pair.
No technicality at all. They flagrantly violated a rule directly in front of the ref. Nothing to do with growing a pair, it was Seattle who was bailed out by a stupid play directly in front of a clueless official.
Yes, it's a technicality. If he had attempted to catch & carry the ball out, it's a touchback. If he had chested it out, it's a touchback. If he let's it go, it's a touchback. If he uses his head to knock it out, it's a touchback. Because he used his hand, you want the ball 6" from the goal line. You don't want football, you want legalistic BS.
No kidding.

It's crazy that the rulebook is so convoluted the refs (along with what appears to have been the replay booth/central officiating staff, both teams/coaching staffs, AND the announcers) didn't know the rule, but everyone (down to Calvin Johnson, who had all the reason in the world to protest) reacted like the Seahawks took the ball from the Lions. As far as any of them knew, the Lions had given it their all and come up short.

Deciding that it actually was the Lions who came out on top of the exchange based on a rule 90+% of fans, players, coaches, and refs appear to be unaware of is the very definition of a technicality right there

I'm a hawks fan but I'd like to think (were roles reversed) I wouldn't be #####ing that my team got screwed if I only learned the rule existed after the game had concluded.

 
Aren't all turnovers looked at? This goes all the way to New York if it didnt' get looked at.
The turnover is looked at but that penalty is not reviewable. That should be changed.
The turnover would have been overruled though. That is the point I am trying to make they can call back the turnover and then call the penalty after the fact if it in the rulebook. At least I would hope.

 
Is every Seahawks fan this dense? Is it so hard to say, "sure, we got a lucky break on a no call"?

I just don't understand, since the end result stays the same. Some of you guys are funny.
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I've been rooting for that, go check the Niners thread. It's what they need, so nice try.The window is closing for Seattle.
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You've got some smart folks in your corner DD

 
...1st down on 6 inch line.

How did every official miss what has been a rule in existence for nearly 30 years?

Awful. That's just terrible. And Caldwell is such an idiot he clearly didn't fight for it either.
Mmmmmmmm..... Cobalt tears
I had no intrinsic or fantasy-related,interest in the game's outcome. I'm a Cowboys fan, which certainly should invite a little pity, but beyond that, I'm just reacting to terrible,officials who don't even know their own rules..

 
Apparently the red on the end line knew the re and decided the ball was not intentionally knocked out of the end zone and the contact was inadvertent. So in his mind not a penalty.

 
NFL covering their tracks by saying they think It was inadvertently knocked out.
The sports world is turning upside down. Overall, the NFL is getting less transparent by the day and more and more seems to make things up as they go. Didn't that use to be the NBA's thing?

 
Is every Seahawks fan this dense? Is it so hard to say, "sure, we got a lucky break on a no call"?

I just don't understand, since the end result stays the same. Some of you guys are funny.
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I've been rooting for that, go check the Niners thread. It's what they need, so nice try.The window is closing for Seattle.
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This
You've got some smart folks in your corner DD
Not sure anyone is ever in "your corner" there LHUCKS.
 
fantasycurse42 said:
Is every Seahawks fan this dense? Is it so hard to say, "sure, we got a lucky break on a no call"?

I just don't understand, since the end result stays the same. Some of you guys are funny.
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I've been rooting for that, go check the Niners thread. It's what they need, so nice try.The window is closing for Seattle.
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This
You've got some smart folks in your corner DD
Not sure anyone is ever in "your corner" there LHUCKS.
How's Uber? That extra scratch must be helpful.
Beats turning tricks on the dock like you. :thumbup:
 
So why when a punter obviously bats a ball out of the end zone is a flag not thrown? Obviously, the defense is going to decline it and take the safety, but if it's a penalty, it's a penalty and a flag should be thrown, regardless. Right? I've never seen a flag thrown in that situation.

 
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wormburner said:
It was pretty obvious as well since he was near the back of the end zone by himself. Either they didn't know the rule or somehow didn't see it. I'm guessing just blew the call or lack of call. The refs should be disciplined for their game deciding flub.
Would being forced to read this thread be sufficient?
Not hardly. Maybe the CMike thread would be, though.
 
This sure is a thread about the Detroit-Seattle game, isn't it?

It's too bad their aren't others where two people could slapfight it out.

In short, Detroit got screwed, but there's a lot of blame to be put on doing almost nothing offensively until that last drive.

 
Aren't all turnovers looked at? This goes all the way to New York if it didnt' get looked at.
The turnover is looked at but that penalty is not reviewable. That should be changed.
The turnover would have been overruled though. That is the point I am trying to make they can call back the turnover and then call the penalty after the fact if it in the rulebook. At least I would hope.
Not totally sure if this is the case, but isn't any penalty that depends on "intent" inherently a judgment call by the ref and therefore not reviewable? IOW, if the ref on the field ruled that Wright did not intentionally bat the ball, the replay official can't overturn it. It's like a blown PI call.

ETA: These comments by Blandino seem to support that interpretation.

 
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Aren't all turnovers looked at? This goes all the way to New York if it didnt' get looked at.
The turnover is looked at but that penalty is not reviewable. That should be changed.
The turnover would have been overruled though. That is the point I am trying to make they can call back the turnover and then call the penalty after the fact if it in the rulebook. At least I would hope.
Not totally sure if this is the case, but isn't any penalty that depends on "intent" inherently a judgment call by the ref and therefore not reviewable? IOW, if the ref on the field ruled that Wright did not intentionally bat the ball, the replay official can't overturn it. It's like a blown PI call.

ETA: These comments by Blandino seem to support that interpretation.
So if the ruling by the ref was because he didn't think the Seahawk intended to knock it out - its just a terrible, horrible call. But not overturnable.

Such is the life of a Lions fan.

 
So why when a punter obviously bats a ball out of the end zone is a flag not thrown? Obviously, the defense is going to decline it and take the safety, but if it's a penalty, it's a penalty and a flag should be thrown, regardless. Right? I've never seen a flag thrown in that situation.
They throw the flag in that situation, but it is declined by the team and plays no roll in the outcome.A non-punter version of an illegal bat play: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/28/illegal-batting-in-dolphins-patriots-game-comes-under-scrutiny/

 
I enjoy that people are mad about this. If it was Green Bay instead of Detroit there would be even more people upset....that's a bit of a bummer. :shrug:

 
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So why when a punter obviously bats a ball out of the end zone is a flag not thrown? Obviously, the defense is going to decline it and take the safety, but if it's a penalty, it's a penalty and a flag should be thrown, regardless. Right? I've never seen a flag thrown in that situation.
They throw the flag in that situation, but it is declined by the team and plays no roll in the outcome.A non-punter version of an illegal bat play: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/28/illegal-batting-in-dolphins-patriots-game-comes-under-scrutiny/
I realize the D declines the penalty to take the safety---I said that in my post. I just don't recall a flag ever being thrown in that situation. Maybe I haven't been paying attention.

 
Hey Patriots fans, here's how you own it: it should have been a penalty. We got the "W". Deal with it everyone else.

 
So why when a punter obviously bats a ball out of the end zone is a flag not thrown? Obviously, the defense is going to decline it and take the safety, but if it's a penalty, it's a penalty and a flag should be thrown, regardless. Right? I've never seen a flag thrown in that situation.
They throw the flag in that situation, but it is declined by the team and plays no roll in the outcome.A non-punter version of an illegal bat play: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/28/illegal-batting-in-dolphins-patriots-game-comes-under-scrutiny/
I realize the D declines the penalty to take the safety---I said that in my post. I just don't recall a flag ever being thrown in that situation. Maybe I haven't been paying attention.
Flag is implied. Much like illegal touching of a punt by the kicking team (aka downing the ball). That is also technically a penalty, but has no yardage attached to it, the receiving team just gets the ball where it is downed unless one of their players advances the ball forward and retains possession.

 
Aren't all turnovers looked at? This goes all the way to New York if it didnt' get looked at.
The turnover is looked at but that penalty is not reviewable. That should be changed.
The turnover would have been overruled though. That is the point I am trying to make they can call back the turnover and then call the penalty after the fact if it in the rulebook. At least I would hope.
Not totally sure if this is the case, but isn't any penalty that depends on "intent" inherently a judgment call by the ref and therefore not reviewable? IOW, if the ref on the field ruled that Wright did not intentionally bat the ball, the replay official can't overturn it. It's like a blown PI call.

ETA: These comments by Blandino seem to support that interpretation.
Of course the ref is going to claim he thought the ball was hit out inadvertantly. It not only gives himself a reason not to be punished by the NFL for a missed call, it gives the NFL cover for why the play wasn't reviewed.

 
I seem to remember Seattle taking a knee on Detroits 23 yard line. This wasn't the end of the game.

 
I have no "skin in the game", but it's a bad rule.

According to the rule, Seattle should have been punished for making a great defensive play.

 
Is every Seahawks fan this dense? Is it so hard to say, "sure, we got a lucky break on a no call"?

I just don't understand, since the end result stays the same. Some of you guys are funny.
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I've been rooting for that, go check the Niners thread. It's what they need, so nice try.

The window is closing for Seattle.
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Seems generous

 
I have no "skin in the game", but it's a bad rule.

According to the rule, Seattle should have been punished for making a great defensive play.
Nobody cares about your opinion of the rule,nobody.

Doesn't matter Seattle isn't going far this year. Cardinals and Rams will both own them.

 
It's absolutely the rule, the op is right. Noticed it when it happened only because the Steelers did it to the Pats a few years ago.

Illegal use of hands.

Don't have a link but I know it's in the use of hands section of the rules.
Let me guess, the difference is the Pats actually got the call, though, right?

 
Seriously??? You want the big break on a technicality? Kam made the play. The ball was heading out of bounds, regardless.

Grow a pair.
No technicality at all. They flagrantly violated a rule directly in front of the ref. Nothing to do with growing a pair, it was Seattle who was bailed out by a stupid play directly in front of a clueless official.
Yes, it's a technicality. If he had attempted to catch & carry the ball out, it's a touchback. If he had chested it out, it's a touchback. If he let's it go, it's a touchback. If he uses his head to knock it out, it's a touchback. Because he used his hand, you want the ball 6" from the goal line. You don't want football, you want legalistic BS.
I wasn't rooting for any team, so this is my general stance, too. If the rule was known and made sense then the guy would've just grabbed it and the game would be over. I concede that yes, technically, a ticky tack penalty should have been called and Detroit probably wins the game on a technicality, but as a fan of the game, that's not really what you want to see.

 
Seriously??? You want the big break on a technicality? Kam made the play. The ball was heading out of bounds, regardless.

Grow a pair.
No technicality at all. They flagrantly violated a rule directly in front of the ref. Nothing to do with growing a pair, it was Seattle who was bailed out by a stupid play directly in front of a clueless official.
Yes, it's a technicality. If he had attempted to catch & carry the ball out, it's a touchback. If he had chested it out, it's a touchback. If he let's it go, it's a touchback. If he uses his head to knock it out, it's a touchback. Because he used his hand, you want the ball 6" from the goal line. You don't want football, you want legalistic BS.
No kidding.

It's crazy that the rulebook is so convoluted the refs (along with what appears to have been the replay booth/central officiating staff, both teams/coaching staffs, AND the announcers) didn't know the rule, but everyone (down to Calvin Johnson, who had all the reason in the world to protest) reacted like the Seahawks took the ball from the Lions. As far as any of them knew, the Lions had given it their all and come up short.

Deciding that it actually was the Lions who came out on top of the exchange based on a rule 90+% of fans, players, coaches, and refs appear to be unaware of is the very definition of a technicality right there

I'm a hawks fan but I'd like to think (were roles reversed) I wouldn't be #####ing that my team got screwed if I only learned the rule existed after the game had concluded.
I think you just described the tuck rule! Speaking of which:

The tuck rule was abolished on March 20, 2013, by a 29–1 vote of current teams. The Patriots and the Washington Redskins abstained from the vote.
 

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