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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (1 Viewer)

2Young2BBald said:
Leroy Hoard said:
An hour and 58 minute game? I wish.
Maybe on TV, but not in person. They cut beer and most food sales in the middle of the 6th. That was like an hour an 15 minutes or so into the game. And, even with the johns close, there was no chance to take a quick leak and get back to your seat in time. It all seemed just a bit rushed. My daughter likes to bring a score book to games and keep a full score and she commented that she could hardly keep up.
Yes, I see the live experience making a difference, especially if you are not at every game.

TV at the MLB level though really drags things out to the point where DVR/replay is often a needed thing to speed things up.

 
So Friday September 4th is the game we are gonna go to.

In so far

Me

Lamby

Greco

Sofasex

 
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My guess is Anaheim. Boston seems like a disaster both from a roster standpoint and just dealing with the politics/press there, and that fluke WS in 2013 has probably bought Cherington at least another year of goodwill.

I can't see AA leaving TOR at this point, even if they flame out this year.
DD would be president, AA would be GM. Beston is done at the end of the year. DD was a mentor to AA when was with the Expos.

 
"What is normally said in the dugout, what is talked about in here is not going to be talked about with you guys,” Alex Avila said. “It's just the way it is. It's part of the culture and it's the way it should be. For a team, there are some things that have to stay in the clubhouse. It's between us and nobody else.”

Sounds like the team needs a trip to Las Vegas.

 
SO with Avilas dad in charge now, is there anyway he is gone??
From the press Conf where they introduced him he said he never wanted them to draft Alex

Said its awkward but they deal with it, but that he's not hitting and that's a liability.

Just my gut feel but I think they let him test the market and if he doesn't find anything they bring him back cheap to backup McCann

 
The bullpen may still lose this game, but it is real nice to at least see the offense fight back and get clutch hits and score key runs. Something that had not happened much this season.

 
Ground ball base hit

Walk

Error

Walk

Error (called a single but Marte wasn't at the bag)

2-0 Boston

 
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Kinsler is 15th in all of baseball in WAR since the beginning of last year and he's 2nd among all 2Bman in defensive efficiency. He also leads the AL this year in multi hit games.

I mention this because Kinsler's name keeps getting dropped as a guy the Tigers should trade in the off-season. :no:

 
Kinsler is 15th in all of baseball in WAR since the beginning of last year and he's 2nd among all 2Bman in defensive efficiency. He also leads the AL this year in multi hit games.

I mention this because Kinsler's name keeps getting dropped as a guy the Tigers should trade in the off-season. :no:
I mentioned him as a trade candidate, but not in the off season. The Tigers should be looking to reload. However if 2016 starts off like 2015 then they should try to move him before the deadline.

 
Kinsler is 15th in all of baseball in WAR since the beginning of last year and he's 2nd among all 2Bman in defensive efficiency. He also leads the AL this year in multi hit games.

I mention this because Kinsler's name keeps getting dropped as a guy the Tigers should trade in the off-season. :no:
I mentioned him as a trade candidate, but not in the off season. The Tigers should be looking to reload. However if 2016 starts off like 2015 then they should try to move him before the deadline.
His 2017 contract is $11 million with a team option for $12 million in '18. He would require a lot back in a trade.

 
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Verlander just hit 97 on the gun and has 15 swing and misses today.

He's getting there.

 
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Kinsler is 15th in all of baseball in WAR since the beginning of last year and he's 2nd among all 2Bman in defensive efficiency. He also leads the AL this year in multi hit games.

I mention this because Kinsler's name keeps getting dropped as a guy the Tigers should trade in the off-season. :no:
I mentioned him as a trade candidate, but not in the off season. The Tigers should be looking to reload. However if 2016 starts off like 2015 then they should try to move him before the deadline.
His 2017 contract is $11 million with a team option for $12 million in '18. He would require a lot back in a trade.
That is why I wanted to trade him this year when I heard the Yankees were interested in him. I don't follow minor league baseball, but I hear the Yankees have a very good farm system and I thought they could get a lot for him.
 
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Oh, great, Gorzos back. :censored:
It's bad enough that he's back, but why in the #### is he pitching in a one-run game? Way to go Ausmus.
Obviously Krol was the better option. Ugh.
Yeah I think lefties were 4 for 5 against our two LOOGYs.

I mean you can't win games like that if you have specialists who especially suck. Krol has the goods to be a really good reliever and he's young, but his confidence has to be shot at this point. I was gonna post something a few days ago when Gorzelanny got called up but I figured we'd be talking about him by the weekend anyway. Terrible.

 
Oh, great, Gorzos back. :censored:
It's bad enough that he's back, but why in the #### is he pitching in a one-run game? Way to go Ausmus.
Obviously Krol was the better option. Ugh.
Yeah I think lefties were 4 for 5 against our two LOOGYs.

I mean you can't win games like that if you have specialists who especially suck. Krol has the goods to be a really good reliever and he's young, but his confidence has to be shot at this point. I was gonna post something a few days ago when Gorzelanny got called up but I figured we'd be talking about him by the weekend anyway. Terrible.
Funny. I saw him when we were down in Toledo and said to my daughter, wth is he doing here and then they trot him out of the pen today with the big club :X

 
Oh, great, Gorzos back. :censored:
It's bad enough that he's back, but why in the #### is he pitching in a one-run game? Way to go Ausmus.
Obviously Krol was the better option. Ugh.
Yeah I think lefties were 4 for 5 against our two LOOGYs.

I mean you can't win games like that if you have specialists who especially suck. Krol has the goods to be a really good reliever and he's young, but his confidence has to be shot at this point. I was gonna post something a few days ago when Gorzelanny got called up but I figured we'd be talking about him by the weekend anyway. Terrible.
As much as this team needs all other kinds of pitching they need to go get a shutdown lefty more than anything.

 
Kinsler is 15th in all of baseball in WAR since the beginning of last year and he's 2nd among all 2Bman in defensive efficiency. He also leads the AL this year in multi hit games.

I mention this because Kinsler's name keeps getting dropped as a guy the Tigers should trade in the off-season. :no:
I mentioned him as a trade candidate, but not in the off season. The Tigers should be looking to reload. However if 2016 starts off like 2015 then they should try to move him before the deadline.
His 2017 contract is $11 million with a team option for $12 million in '18. He would require a lot back in a trade.
I honestly think Kinsler has another 5 productive years at 2B and at the top of the lineup for someone. Completely agree with DD that you don't trade him, just to trade him. While not the leader that Miggy is, he is a very useful cog in a very good team.

 
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/08/04/matt-boyd--make-tigers-debut-wednesday/31115579/

From what I have read his stuff is good but somewhat flat. Going to less of a HR hitters park might help a little, but he has to keep the ball down.
Bigger park does seem to relax him a bit. :thumbup:
It should be better for him. I was/am skeptical because he's a flyball pitcher who doesn't really have the stuff to strike out big league hitters, but that will play better in Detroit then it would in Toronto, so maybe he can be a decent back end guy. Even without any plus pitches, a lefty with very good command can usually be effective.
I don't really understand where this comes from.

Here were his k/9 rates in the minors

A- 7.7

A+ 10.1

AA 8.9

AAA 8.5

He had 6 Ks in 5 innings tonight against the MLB team who strikes out the least. Those minor league K numbers are actually above average, so just because he doesn't throw 95 doesn't mean he won't at least be a 7 K/9 pitcher. I really like what I've seen so far from him, he looks like a mature guy who understands pitching.

 
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/08/04/matt-boyd--make-tigers-debut-wednesday/31115579/

From what I have read his stuff is good but somewhat flat. Going to less of a HR hitters park might help a little, but he has to keep the ball down.
Bigger park does seem to relax him a bit. :thumbup:
It should be better for him. I was/am skeptical because he's a flyball pitcher who doesn't really have the stuff to strike out big league hitters, but that will play better in Detroit then it would in Toronto, so maybe he can be a decent back end guy. Even without any plus pitches, a lefty with very good command can usually be effective.
I don't really understand where this comes from.

Here were his k/9 rates in the minors

A- 7.7

A+ 10.1

AA 8.9

AAA 8.5

He had 6 Ks in 5 innings tonight against the MLB team who strikes out the least. Those minor league K numbers are actually above average, so just because he doesn't throw 95 doesn't mean he won't at least be a 7 K/9 pitcher. I really like what I've seen so far from him, he looks like a mature guy who understands pitching.
:shrug: In his "good start" with the Jays, he gave up 9 hits in 6 innings. He did it again tonight. Those are the only two starts where he's struck anyone out.

His first Tigers start he went deeper but likely had some luck on his side with only 2K's and few ground balls.

His other Jays start was 7 runs and no outs recorded.

I don't think he has any plus pitches and he's a flyball guy who gives up a lot of contact. Even if he does get to 7K/9, if he gives up 1.5 hits an inning, it doesn't really mean that much.

ETA - control lefty who can hit his spots but no dominant pitches seems to be something that works great in the minors but doesn't always translate well to MLB. But maybe he can find his inner Mark Buerhle.

 
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http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/08/04/matt-boyd--make-tigers-debut-wednesday/31115579/

From what I have read his stuff is good but somewhat flat. Going to less of a HR hitters park might help a little, but he has to keep the ball down.
Bigger park does seem to relax him a bit. :thumbup:
It should be better for him. I was/am skeptical because he's a flyball pitcher who doesn't really have the stuff to strike out big league hitters, but that will play better in Detroit then it would in Toronto, so maybe he can be a decent back end guy. Even without any plus pitches, a lefty with very good command can usually be effective.
I don't really understand where this comes from.

Here were his k/9 rates in the minors

A- 7.7

A+ 10.1

AA 8.9

AAA 8.5

He had 6 Ks in 5 innings tonight against the MLB team who strikes out the least. Those minor league K numbers are actually above average, so just because he doesn't throw 95 doesn't mean he won't at least be a 7 K/9 pitcher. I really like what I've seen so far from him, he looks like a mature guy who understands pitching.
:shrug: In his "good start" with the Jays, he gave up 9 hits in 6 innings. He did it again tonight. Those are the only two starts where he's struck anyone out.

His first Tigers start he went deeper but likely had some luck on his side with only 2K's and few ground balls.

His other Jays start was 7 runs and no outs recorded.

I don't think he has any plus pitches and he's a flyball guy who gives up a lot of contact. Even if he does get to 7K/9, if he gives up 1.5 hits an inning, it doesn't really mean that much.
So you are judging a guy who was successful in the minors on 4 MLB starts?

You are completely disregarding all analytical data to judge a guy on four MLB starts, one of which he was terrific in. Tonight he had one bad inning, then settled down just fine and struck out SIX MAJOR LEAGUE HITTERS.

No idea why Toronto fans bad mouth players after they are traded (Cliff Clueless with his "Toronto wasn't as high on them" :hophead: ). You did the same thing with Gose. Take off the homer glasses, :homer:

 
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