***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (2 Viewers)

[the moops]

Yea me too. I was just commenting on the lack of similarities between the two

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Tigers close to deal with reliever Mark Lowe.

Very good last year, ok to ####ty his other years.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

1.96 ERA and 1.05 WHIPTigers close to deal with reliever Mark Lowe.

Very good last year, ok to ####ty his other years.

1.96 ERA and 1.05 WHIP. Hopefully he found something last year he didn't have before that.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Since they plan on having an all RHP rotation, it's key that they pick up at least one solid lefty to get out other lefties late in games and act as a bridge to the 8th/9th inning closers.

Norris isn't going to be part of the rotation?

Good catch. I must have been watching his games through a mirror or something.

 

[Da Guru]

Doctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 12:38 AM, saidoctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 12:38 AM, said:Tigers close to deal with reliever Mark Lowe.

Very good last year, ok to ####ty his other years.

Maybe Lowe is a slow starter..just finding himself at 33.

 

[Seekay]

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/12/07/the-tigers-are-looking-at-yoenis-cespedes-and-alex-gordon/

This is somewhat unexpected: Jon Heyman says that the Detroit Tigers are considering Yoenis Cespedes or Alex Gordon as free agent options.

Maybe Cespedes is someone Illitch would see as a luxury. I know they liked him a lot when he was coming out of Cuba. If they can get him at a good price I say go for it. Gordon might be the better fit though as he is a left handed bat.

Avila seems to be more aware of the amount of money his is dishing out then Dombrowski.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm fine with whatever but I think giving JD an extension is more important than spending big for a LFer.

 

[Bojang0301]

Lost in the talk of Pitching and OFer is we signed Salty to a near league minimum deal. Really like him as a backup C and solid veteran addition.

 

[Bojang0301]

I will say that if we get Gordon I will be very amped up. I do agree with DD that if comes at the cost of JD long term I won't like it.

 

[Seekay]

I am with you there. JD's contract extension should come first. I am sure Avila has that in mind also.

Also apparently Norris, Fulmer and Tigers young pitchers are off limits in trades. (and have been asked about this offseason) AA talking about grooming one or two arms for the pen, thinks we might have a Future closer there,

For once it's gonna be exciting to see some young guys process and get better and not sent away in quick fix trades for marginal bullpen help.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Avila just said Tigers are out on Gordon/Cespedes

One guy I like on a short deal is Denard Span. He can lead off, you can move him to left and have a great glove there, and if the Orioles and Indians are chasing him, he won't be that expensive. A span, Kinsler, miggy, VMart, JD, Castellanos, McCann, Gose/Maybin, iggy lineup is pretty good.

Dexter Fowler will be cheaper than Cespedes or Gordon also but he'll cost more than Span and another guy I think we can get, Geraldo Parra.

After those three you have a guy like Marlon Byrd or Will Veneble, or even a one year deal with an Alex Rios (who is good every even year).

But neither Parra nor Span come with draft pick compensation and I think both would be good fits.

 

[Bojang0301]

I really like Avila. He's aggressive, yet conservative. He could really lead this team into a new era while the contracts on the books are allowed to age.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I really like Avila. He's aggressive, yet conservative. He could really lead this team into a new era while the contracts on the books are allowed to age.

I like that he filled the big needs right away. I'm not sure how Pelfrey will work out, but for some reason he was their target (or at least a top target) so hopefully he's right. I like the K-Rod deal because it has a lot of built in flexibility, Lowe is a solid move if Lowe pitches like last year, he got Salty to play 45-50 games, and I love the JZimm signing a ton.

They really could use another OF bat and another reliever or two, but I like what he's done so far. Target some FAs and trade targets you want, start signing folks while everyone else is still thinking about last year.

 

[Seekay]

Fowler is basically only a platoon guy. He is horrible against RHP and graded low in defensive range.

Span dont strike out a ton. Brings some speed to the lineup. Could help Gose along the way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Austin Jackson is brought back.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Fowler is basically only a platoon guy. He is horrible against RHP and graded low in defensive range.

252 .351 .410 .761 with 53 homers over his career, that's not horrible (and he kills lefties). His def efficiency in CF was average but better than Maybin's or Gose's, I think if he was in LF he'd be above average though.

I'd rather have Fowler than AJax for sure.

 

[Limp Ditka]

These guys still in last place?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

These guys still in last place?

Protected pick!

 

[Seekay]

Fowler is basically only a platoon guy. He is horrible against RHP and graded low in defensive range.

252 .351 .410 .761with 53 homers over his career, that's not horrible (and he kills lefties). His def efficiency in CF was average but better than Maybin's or Gose's, I think if he was in LF he'd be above average though.

I'd rather have Fowler than AJax for sure.

Considering Fowler is coming off a year where he set career highs and turned down a one year 15 million qualifying offer. It's going to take more than a few million more to sign Fowler over Jackson.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I also like the new backup catcher deal. Holaday was ok but Saltalamacchia has a little more upside, at least for this year.

 

[Da Guru]

Doctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 8:40 PM, said:

Bojang0301, on 07 Dec 2015 - 6:40 PM, said:I really like Avila. He's aggressive, yet conservative. He could really lead this team into a new era while the contracts on the books are allowed to age.

I like that he filled the big needs right away. I'm not sure how Pelfrey will work out, but for some reason he was their target (or at least a top target) so hopefully he's right. I like the K-Rod deal because it has a lot of built in flexibility, Lowe is a solid move if Lowe pitches like last year, he got Salty to play 45-50 games, and I love the JZimm signing a ton.

They really could use another OF bat and another reliever or two, but I like what he's done so far. Target some FAs and trade targets you want, start signing folks while everyone else is still thinking about last year.

How does AA get 2.5 for one year and Salty get the vet minimum of 514K? Stats are pretty similar with Saltys being even a little better and a switch hitter.

 

[MAC_32]

Doctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 8:40 PM, said:

Bojang0301, on 07 Dec 2015 - 6:40 PM, said:

I really like Avila. He's aggressive, yet conservative. He could really lead this team into a new era while the contracts on the books are allowed to age.

I like that he filled the big needs right away. I'm not sure how Pelfrey will work out, but for some reason he was their target (or at least a top target) so hopefully he's right. I like the K-Rod deal because it has a lot of built in flexibility, Lowe is a solid move if Lowe pitches like last year, he got Salty to play 45-50 games, and I love the JZimm signing a ton. They really could use another OF bat and another reliever or two, but I like what he's done so far. Target some FAs and trade targets you want, start signing folks while everyone else is still thinking about last year.

How does AA get 2.5 for one year and Salty get the vet minimum of 514K? Stats are pretty similar with Saltys being even a little better and a switch hitter.

How is Salty behind the dish? When Avila is not concussed he's great.

 

[skillz]

Doctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 8:40 PM, said:

Bojang0301, on 07 Dec 2015 - 6:40 PM, said:I really like Avila. He's aggressive, yet conservative. He could really lead this team into a new era while the contracts on the books are allowed to age.

I like that he filled the big needs right away. I'm not sure how Pelfrey will work out, but for some reason he was their target (or at least a top target) so hopefully he's right. I like the K-Rod deal because it has a lot of built in flexibility, Lowe is a solid move if Lowe pitches like last year, he got Salty to play 45-50 games, and I love the JZimm signing a ton.

They really could use another OF bat and another reliever or two, but I like what he's done so far. Target some FAs and trade targets you want, start signing folks while everyone else is still thinking about last year.

How does AA get 2.5 for one year and Salty get the vet minimum of 514K? Stats are pretty similar with Saltys being even a little better and a switch hitter.

Because the Marlins are paying Salty $8 million next season.

 

[Da Guru]

skillz, on 09 Dec 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:skillz, on 09 Dec 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Da Guru, on 08 Dec 2015 - 4:32 PM, saida Guru, on 08 Dec 2015 - 4:32 PM, said:

Doctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 8:40 PM, saidoctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 8:40 PM, saidoctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 8:40 PM, said:

Bojang0301, on 07 Dec 2015 - 6:40 PM, said:Bojang0301, on 07 Dec 2015 - 6:40 PM, said:Bojang0301, on 07 Dec 2015 - 6:40 PM, said:I really like Avila. He's aggressive, yet conservative. He could really lead this team into a new era while the contracts on the books are allowed to age.

I like that he filled the big needs right away. I'm not sure how Pelfrey will work out, but for some reason he was their target (or at least a top target) so hopefully he's right. I like the K-Rod deal because it has a lot of built in flexibility, Lowe is a solid move if Lowe pitches like last year, he got Salty to play 45-50 games, and I love the JZimm signing a ton.

They really could use another OF bat and another reliever or two, but I like what he's done so far. Target some FAs and trade targets you want, start signing folks while everyone else is still thinking about last year.

How does AA get 2.5 for one year and Salty get the vet minimum of 514K? Stats are pretty similar with Saltys being even a little better and a switch hitter.

Because the Marlins are paying Salty $8 million next season.

Then the 514K the Tigers are paying him is nothing to be salty about

 

[Leroy Hoard]

skillz, on 09 Dec 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Da Guru, on 08 Dec 2015 - 4:32 PM, said:

Doctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 8:40 PM, saidoctor Detroit, on 07 Dec 2015 - 8:40 PM, said:

Bojang0301, on 07 Dec 2015 - 6:40 PM, said:Bojang0301, on 07 Dec 2015 - 6:40 PM, said:I really like Avila. He's aggressive, yet conservative. He could really lead this team into a new era while the contracts on the books are allowed to age.

I like that he filled the big needs right away. I'm not sure how Pelfrey will work out, but for some reason he was their target (or at least a top target) so hopefully he's right. I like the K-Rod deal because it has a lot of built in flexibility, Lowe is a solid move if Lowe pitches like last year, he got Salty to play 45-50 games, and I love the JZimm signing a ton.

They really could use another OF bat and another reliever or two, but I like what he's done so far. Target some FAs and trade targets you want, start signing folks while everyone else is still thinking about last year.

How does AA get 2.5 for one year and Salty get the vet minimum of 514K? Stats are pretty similar with Saltys being even a little better and a switch hitter.

Because the Marlins are paying Salty $8 million next season.

Then the 514K the Tigers are paying him is nothing to be salty about

Nice to be on the other end of that for a change. Salty should provide more offense off the bench at the minimum.

 

[tri-man 47]

Great to see management working aggressively to build the team back up for next year. We'll start the year tied for first!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Weird that the Tigers traded for Justin Wilson when Bastardo and Sipp were out there in FA market. Wilson is exactly what was needed but giving away Cessa to get him seems short-sighted. Not a huge fan of this one, but I mostly hate all relievers.

 

[Da Guru]

Doctor Detroit, on 09 Dec 2015 - 9:03 PM, said:Weird that the Tigers traded for Justin Wilson when Bastardo and Sipp were out there in FA market. Wilson is exactly what was needed but giving away Cessa to get him seems short-sighted. Not a huge fan of this one, but I mostly hate all relievers.

Sounds like they are not even counting on Rondon at all.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Doctor Detroit, on 09 Dec 2015 - 9:03 PM, said:Weird that the Tigers traded for Justin Wilson when Bastardo and Sipp were out there in FA market. Wilson is exactly what was needed but giving away Cessa to get him seems short-sighted. Not a huge fan of this one, but I mostly hate all relievers.

Sounds like they are not even counting on Rondon at all.

Per this article bullpen spots may already be running out for Rondon:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/12/09/tigers-obtain-lh-reliever-justin-wilson-yankees/77065570/

 

[Da Guru]

Leroy Hoard, on 10 Dec 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

Da Guru, on 10 Dec 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Doctor Detroit, on 09 Dec 2015 - 9:03 PM, saidoctor Detroit, on 09 Dec 2015 - 9:03 PM, said:Weird that the Tigers traded for Justin Wilson when Bastardo and Sipp were out there in FA market. Wilson is exactly what was needed but giving away Cessa to get him seems short-sighted. Not a huge fan of this one, but I mostly hate all relievers.

Sounds like they are not even counting on Rondon at all.

Per this article bullpen spots may already be running out for Rondon:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/12/09/tigers-obtain-lh-reliever-justin-wilson-yankees/77065570/

The Mud Hens need a closer..

 

[Bojang0301]

I know it won't be but I wish this Venezualan brawl was the end for Rondon. Outside of the trio of Ryan Raburn, Joe Nathan and Phil Coke he's crawling up my least favorite Tigers of all time. Stop playing and acting like a #####, lay off the fried foods, get on an elliptical and just play the damn game.

 

[Da Guru]

Tigers sell Lobber for cash..sign Aviles as a utility guy. That will probably be it for the signings.

 

[jon_mx]

So now it is JV, Zimmerman, Sanchez, and Pelfrey plus some youngsters? A ton of question marks, but at least potential to be a decent rotation. The Tigers are making an effort to put together a winner.

 

[MAC_32]

So now it is JV, Zimmerman, Sanchez, and Pelfrey plus some youngsters? A ton of question marks, but at least potential to be a decent rotation. The Tigers are making an effort to put together a winner.

It's passable if the bullpen is decent. It's not if the pen is more of the same.

 

[Balco]

So now it is JV, Zimmerman, Sanchez, and Pelfrey plus some youngsters? A ton of question marks, but at least potential to be a decent rotation. The Tigers are making an effort to put together a winner.

It's passable if the bullpen is decent. It's not if the pen is more of the same.

What's the pen look like?

 

[MAC_32]

So now it is JV, Zimmerman, Sanchez, and Pelfrey plus some youngsters? A ton of question marks, but at least potential to be a decent rotation. The Tigers are making an effort to put together a winner.

It's passable if the bullpen is decent. It's not if the pen is more of the same.

What's the pen look like?

Different.

 

[Balco]

So now it is JV, Zimmerman, Sanchez, and Pelfrey plus some youngsters? A ton of question marks, but at least potential to be a decent rotation. The Tigers are making an effort to put together a winner.

It's passable if the bullpen is decent. It's not if the pen is more of the same.

What's the pen look like?

Different.

Thats got to be better, right?

 

[MAC_32]

So now it is JV, Zimmerman, Sanchez, and Pelfrey plus some youngsters? A ton of question marks, but at least potential to be a decent rotation. The Tigers are making an effort to put together a winner.

It's passable if the bullpen is decent. It's not if the pen is more of the same.

What's the pen look like?

Different.

Thats got to be better, right?

It's tough to imagine anything worse.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

"Passable"

lol

 

[MAC_32]

It'd be elite with Robbie Ray.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

It'd be elite with Robbie Ray.

He had a lot better advanced and raw statistical year than Fister had last year. Of course under the McMoron trade rules we judge AT THE TIME OF THE TRADE, so I guess the Nats won that one.

 

[MAC_32]

Elite.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Indians Fan

 

[MAC_32]

Speaking of elite.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Speaking of elite.

You rang?

 

[MAC_32]

You guys got Frazier.

Might as well give you the pennant now.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

McMoron32: ruining every thread possible since 2008

 

[MAC_32]

McMoron32: ruining every thread possible since 2008

Then hit the block button.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

McMoron32: ruining every thread possible since 2008

Then hit the block button.

No one would do that, they'd miss all your fantasy baseball predictions sure to fail. Even Tommygunz is jealous of your fail rate.

 

[MAC_32]

McMoron32: ruining every thread possible since 2008

Then hit the block button.

But trolling is how I get off.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The FYP function only works when you're actually funny, Indians fan.