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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (2 Viewers)

Kind of interesting that Fulmer and JV rank 4th and 5th amoung AL pitchersin WAR according to ESPN.  JZ comes in at 50th.  JZ returns on Thursday.  Hopefully gets back to early season form.  

 
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Megaton said:
Kind of interesting that Fulmer and JV rank 4th and 5th amoung AL pitchersin WAR according to ESPN.  JZ comes in at 50th.  JZ returns on Thursday.  Hopefully gets back to early season form.  
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He's taking the place of everyone's favorite whipping boy Pelfrey, so it should be an upgrade.

 
Good night.....wtf

The most important AB of the night.  One out guys on second and third and you have strategically started your worst hitter who happens to be up.  Double play.....YEAH!  

 
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Ausmus starting Aviles in RF today over JD.  Fantastic.  
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FWIW he was only called up today because Pelfrey went to the DL.  He had played a double header in Toledo yesterday and was due to be off today, and activated Friday from the DL. 

 
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It is a shame that Fulmer could not hold on for one more out and get the W.  Another Great outing.  
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Four more outs, he left in the 7th.  Great outing for sure, one bad pitch and then he kind of melted down.  Nice job by Greene getting that last out and then pitching a clean 8th giving them a chance to win. Greene, JWil, and K-Rod is a pretty good back end. 

 
That was special. It didn't send the Tigers to the world series but that was what makes being a baseball fan great right there.

Fun run for the boys...need to cherish these last few years of Miggy and JV being elite. Looks like this core has at least one more run in them.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Four more outs, he left in the 7th.  Great outing for sure, one bad pitch and then he kind of melted down.  Nice job by Greene getting that last out and then pitching a clean 8th giving them a chance to win. Greene, JWil, and K-Rod is a pretty good back end. 
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yeah, the HR was in the bottom of 8th.  It is good to see this team getting its Mojo and people are stepping up.  Starting pitching is razor thin, but top 3 are solid (well assuming JZ comes back healthy and effective).  Been nice to get a few decent starts out of the bottom of the rotation for once.  Three good arms in the pen with Jimenez waiting in the wings.  Lineup produces from top to bottom.  Infield defense is solid with a great DP combo.  Very good defensively at catcher (18 HRs/64 RBIs between McCann and Salty is pretty damn good offensive production too despite the .200 BA).  The weakest link is the outfield defensively sucks.  Not having Moya out there will help, but still one of the worst in the league.  Not really the tops in the league in anything, but top 5 in several areas.  Just lacking depth in both starting and relief pitching and autrocious in the outfield.  Fulmer and Maybin and K-Rod were critical additions.  Miggy seems to be swinging the bat better.  It is fun when they are competitive. Unfortunately, this team is capable of going ice cold.   

 
Last nights game was something we have not seen in awhile.  Close game, great pitching, Iggy making huge play up the middle, JD clutch HR and the bullpen closing the door.

 
Today's outing matched the shortest of Tigers pitcher Jordan Zimmermann's entire career, according to ESPN Stats and Information. Zimmermann now has a 6.44 ERA since May 1 after posting an MLB-best 0.55 ERA in April.

 
So basically Zimmermann can't be counted on as a reliable starter for the rest of the season.  So that leaves them with JV, Fulmer, Boyd and Pelfrey/Sanchez/Norris.  

Fulmer and Boyd have already bailed out the team big time maybe Norris can too down the stretch.  I just don't have much faith he can stay healthy either.  

 
Bobcat10 said:
The young arms are entering uncharted waters as far as innings go.
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Well about the only good thing about Norris being injured so much is that he should be able to pitch  innings down the stretch, if necessary.  He pitched great for Toledo last night.

 
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So basically Zimmermann can't be counted on as a reliable starter for the rest of the season.  So that leaves them with JV, Fulmer, Boyd and Pelfrey/Sanchez/Norris.  

Fulmer and Boyd have already bailed out the team big time maybe Norris can too down the stretch.  I just don't have much faith he can stay healthy either.  
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A little premature to be counting out JZ, but he has been going downhill from his awesome start.   Have to hope he was just rusty and will find his form again.  This team has little chance of going anywhere without getting some decent production out of him.  

 
Megaton said:
A little premature to be counting out JZ, but he has been going downhill from his awesome start.   Have to hope he was just rusty and will find his form again.  This team has little chance of going anywhere without getting some decent production out of him.  
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I am more inclined to think he has nagging injuries that aren't going to go away in the next two months and that those nagging injuries have been around for a while.  That is why he has been awful since May 1.  I hope he can bounce back but it sounds like they may have rushed him back to start too quickly when they should have been more cautious.   

 
Bobcat10 said:
The young arms are entering uncharted waters as far as innings go.
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Only Fulmer but because he is so efficient (BP article today), the innings don't mean as much as they normally would.  Looks like he will be allowed to go 180 regular season innings, which means probably only two skips in the rotation or getting 7 days rest sometimes.  Norris and Boyd both good. 

 
Megaton said:
skillz said:
So basically Zimmermann can't be counted on as a reliable starter for the rest of the season.  So that leaves them with JV, Fulmer, Boyd and Pelfrey/Sanchez/Norris.  

Fulmer and Boyd have already bailed out the team big time maybe Norris can too down the stretch.  I just don't have much faith he can stay healthy either.  
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A little premature to be counting out JZ, but he has been going downhill from his awesome start.   Have to hope he was just rusty and will find his form again.  This team has little chance of going anywhere without getting some decent production out of him.
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Yeah I think he'll be fine.  Had an issue with his lat yesterday too, but obviously he was rusty.  Probably should have had a few rehab  outings. 

 
Limp Ditka said:
The Man With No Name said:
Today's outing matched the shortest of Tigers pitcher Jordan Zimmermann's entire career, according to ESPN Stats and Information. Zimmermann now has a 6.44 ERA since May 1 after posting an MLB-best 0.55 ERA in April.
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Don't tell Gildo
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Yeah the same guy who has said on multiple occasions that JV was "washed up."  Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and Gildo is definitely broke in more ways than one. 

 
Another great outing from JV.  V-Mart with a blast.  McCann another big two out hit.  Greene with a perfect inning.  

 
Trading for Justin Wilson sure has worked out for Avila. 

He has had 34 scoreless appearances in 45 appearances and four of the appearances he allowed a run came in a five game stretch in May.  If you look at his splits both righties and lefties have right around a 600 OPS against him with seven extra base hits all year. 

Shane Green has a 2.88 FIP and here are his numbers as a reliever:

27 IP

2.97 ERA

1.99 FIP

.91 WHIP

27 Ks

3 extra base hits

.505 OPS against

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
Only Fulmer but because he is so efficient (BP article today), the innings don't mean as much as they normally would.  Looks like he will be allowed to go 180 regular season innings, which means probably only two skips in the rotation or getting 7 days rest sometimes.  Norris and Boyd both good. 
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I'm sure they'll be good, but I thought when I glanced at their IP none of them seemed to have pitched much more than where they are at now.  Will be interesting to see it all shake out!

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
Only Fulmer but because he is so efficient (BP article today), the innings don't mean as much as they normally would.  Looks like he will be allowed to go 180 regular season innings, which means probably only two skips in the rotation or getting 7 days rest sometimes.  Norris and Boyd both good. 
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I'm sure they'll be good, but I thought when I glanced at their IP none of them seemed to have pitched much more than where they are at now.  Will be interesting to see it all shake out!
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Norris had 150 last year and 130 the year prior, he's at 92 right now.  I don't think he could get to 150 if he was put back in the rotation tomorrow and started on 4 days rest the remainder of the year.

Boyd at 115 this year, he had 170 last year and 130 the year before.  He might get to 170 or so regardless if it's in AAA or the majors, but I don't think they are worried about him either. 

Fulmer at 120, which was what he threw last year.  He has thrown 1600 pitches in those 104 innings, or 15.3 pitches per inning.  Danny Salazar has 117 innings this year and 2013 pitches or 17.2 pitches per inning.  Kluber, who I would call an efficient pitcher, averages 14.4 pitches per inning.  I think there has been some times he probably could have been lifted, and he has had some issues in the later innings of late which could be the grind of the season catching up with him.  I also see some regression as his FIP has steadily risen over his past five starts, and the Tigers aren't exactly the '85 Cardinals on defense. 

I think the plan is to keep going forward with Fulmer and let him get at least to 160, and probably as high as 180.  But even if he has a sore penis from nailing baseball groupies, he needs to be sat down for 10 days.  I am definitely not against skipping him several times between now and the end of the season. 

 
All this debate about starting rotation and I just want to know why Mark Lowe is still on the team. Let's bring up Jimenez and make a run.

 
Bojang0301 said:
All this debate about starting rotation and I just want to know why Mark Lowe is still on the team. Let's bring up Jimenez and make a run.
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No need to rush Jimenez because Lowe blows. This patient approach by the front office is refreshing. I have doubts about making it to October, but even if that falls short I really like how this squad is setting up for next year. 

 
MAC_32 said:
No need to rush Jimenez because Lowe blows. This patient approach by the front office is refreshing. I have doubts about making it to October, but even if that falls short I really like how this squad is setting up for next year. 
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Sure patience BUT while I think the young core could be awesome, the stars of this team will fall off at some point. Let's do this while Miggy, JV, Kinsler and VMart are producing at this level. They didn't go out and get Upton/JZ to lose and they are one of the hottest teams in baseball. There is no need to have a RP with a 8+ ERA, even if you are correct about that not having a correlation with Jimenez.

 
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