Dez Bryant, Why FBG's ranking is so low? (1 Viewer)

[Raiderfan32904]

This question was asked on the Dez Bryant thread, but it really needs to be looked at closer. I too am very puzzled by the low ranking.

Dez Bryant unofficially played in 80.5 percent of the Cowboys' offensive snaps last week.It's a season-high for Bryant, as was his Week 8 yardage total of 84. With his snaps picking up and Jon Kitna targeting him heavily, Bryant is a great candidate for a second-half breakout. Without question, the dominant talent is there.Source: Evan Silva on Twitter

Ok, FBG had him on its early rankings at WR #48. Haven’t seen the latest rankings yet, but that puts him at WR #4 category. Which makes him a risky start this week.Why? Why would FBG’s be so down on Dez after his 7/84 game? He seems to have a nice connection with Kitna. Going forward, that relationship should only improve. Dez has been practicing fully. Green Bay’s defense is a 16th rated defense (24th against the rush, 17th against the pass), so they aren’t bad, but not dominating. And you would expect that Green Bay would throttle the Cowboys on the offensive end, as the Cowboys defense has all but given up. And since the Cowboys can’t run effectively anyway and end up abandoning the run when they get behind, wouldn’t that only improve Dez Bryant’s opportunities?Someone please explain to me why Dez is so lowly rated this week?TIA

 

[Wilbur Wood]

He's in my starting lineups until further notice.

He is one of the few bright spots in a dreadful Dallas season so far this year. I expect there to be increased emphasis on getting Dez involved in the offense in the 2H of the year.

 

[KCC]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Kitna threw for 379 yards last week. That’s just not going to happen every week. Despite his talent that offense still has a ton of mouths to feed with Austin, Witten, Roy, and the RBs.

 

[steelwind]

I'll take a stab at this. I think the assumption is that Kitna will get knocked around and he's not a mobile QB. GB will probably blitz a ton and they are one of the hardest team to score a TD on. Maybe in PPR leagues Dez is a flex play. But in non PPR TD leagues this looks like a bad matchup.

 

[cvnpoka]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

oh get over yourself

 

[The_Wolfman]

I think WR4 seems right for him. He's a spectacular talent, but still a rookie so he will be inconsistent. GB is coming off a great defensive performance where they shut out the Jets, who have looked decent on offense prior to last week. Furthermore, it's at Lambeau, and the Packers are hot right now, especially on D. Not the greatest match-up in my opinion.

FWIW, I have him on my roster and he IS my WR4. We start 3 WR, and I'm benching him for Nicks, Garcon and Tampa Mike.

 

[Go DC Yourself]

I haven't followed the rankings all year, but its seems like they've had Dez lower than I expected every week. In FGB's defense, he is no more than the third option after Austin and Witten, and Williams also had a few good weeks last month.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

I'm starting and expect last week to be the floor from here on out. Roy is not a part of the game plan anymore. Dez has huge upside each week. Sunday night in front of everyone, he seems like he's another one of the long list of attention looking WRs. He's a #2 WR at this point w/ the focus on him in the game plan. People calling him a #4 WR I'm sure have not watched the past 2 weeks. Why would anyone watch that jag/dal game unless they were invested. Like I said, he's a #2 and 5-75 is his weekly floor.

 

[Bonka]

Kitna threw for 379 yards last week. That’s just not going to happen every week. Despite his talent that offense still has a ton of mouths to feed with Austin, Witten, Roy, and the RBs.

He also threw 4 picks, which isn't going to happen every week. So I don't think there'd be that big of a drop off in passing offense.I figure Dez is a solid WR3 and should see a decent amount of WR2 production.

 

[steelwind]

I'm starting and expect last week to be the floor from here on out. Roy is not a part of the game plan anymore. Dez has huge upside each week. Sunday night in front of everyone, he seems like he's another one of the long list of attention looking WRs. He's a #2 WR at this point w/ the focus on him in the game plan. People calling him a #4 WR I'm sure have not watched the past 2 weeks. Why would anyone watch that jag/dal game unless they were invested. Like I said, he's a #2 and 5-75 is his weekly floor.

That's a very bold statement. 5-75 each week is very consistent and that is actually upside WR2 stats.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

I think WR4 seems right for him.

Note that saying he's a WR4 says there is anywhere from 40 to 50 WRs that are more productive. This isn't true.Also, he maybe the 3rd option after miles and witten but they don't run. They are a pass first middle and last team.

 

[cvnpoka]

i think 4 for 50 is a pretty good floor. seems kitna prefers bryant to roy.

 

[steelwind]

Clearly Dez has taken the WR2 role in Dallas. I do see how Dodds and Bloom rank Dez @ GB. If you have a solid team with a favorable matchup against your opponent then Dez would be a high upside WR3 capable of WR2 for your team this week. I have him in my lineup as he is one of the few Cowboys who is leaving it out on the field every week. He has reached 50 yards per game in 5 out of 7 games this year and he was injured early in the year. One of the two games in which he did not reach 50 yards he scored a TD. To me that is consistency and I look for him to show off his skills in the 2nd half of 2010. The fact that he is playing with passion while the rest of Cowgirls have quit has earned my respect.

 

[drfeelgood]

The fact that he is playing with passion while the rest of Cowgirls have quit has earned my respect.

I don't think all of the Cowboys except Dez Bryant have quit.

 

[videoguy505]

The fact that he is playing with passion while the rest of Cowgirls have quit has earned my respect.

I don't think all of the Cowboys except Dez Bryant have quit.

Their punter is loving every game.

 

[KCC]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

oh get over yourself

Reading comprehension down? My post had nothing in it about me.

 

[cvnpoka]

well, its pretty clear from your response that you rate your ability to quantify rankings as better than "experts." i think its reasonable that the rest of us peons would lean on fbg rankins for various reasons, not limited to time constraints, or self-awareness of our own limitations.

going further, its possible that ppl who feel they do their due diligence in regards to using statistics and news sources to attempt to predict performance actually hold the rankings of football guys in high esteem. and thus when they come to a drastically different conclusion, the following thought is most likely "why?"

it seems closeminded and arrogant to proceed, as you insinuated, as if you are the infallible. i mean, even if you are 99% infallible, it seems worthwhile to engage in dialogue with other esteemed participants when conclusions differ. op, and myself, and other might just learn something. tho i doubt you will.

 

[KCC]

well, its pretty clear from your response that you rate your ability to quantify rankings as better than "experts." i think its reasonable that the rest of us peons would lean on fbg rankins for various reasons, not limited to time constraints, or self-awareness of our own limitations.

going further, its possible that ppl who feel they do their due diligence in regards to using statistics and news sources to attempt to predict performance actually hold the rankings of football guys in high esteem. and thus when they come to a drastically different conclusion, the following thought is most likely "why?"

it seems closeminded and arrogant to proceed, as you insinuated, as if you are the infallible. i mean, even if you are 99% infallible, it seems worthwhile to engage in dialogue with other esteemed participants when conclusions differ. op, and myself, and other might just learn something. tho i doubt you will.

My post was a call for less passivity and more active participation in what is a self-selected hobby. How you inferred the bolded portions above is puzzling and, quite frankly, a little sad. My intent was not to offend anyone. I'm sorry you took it that way.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

well, its pretty clear from your response that you rate your ability to quantify rankings as better than "experts." i think its reasonable that the rest of us peons would lean on fbg rankins for various reasons, not limited to time constraints, or self-awareness of our own limitations.

going further, its possible that ppl who feel they do their due diligence in regards to using statistics and news sources to attempt to predict performance actually hold the rankings of football guys in high esteem. and thus when they come to a drastically different conclusion, the following thought is most likely "why?"

it seems closeminded and arrogant to proceed, as you insinuated, as if you are the infallible. i mean, even if you are 99% infallible, it seems worthwhile to engage in dialogue with other esteemed participants when conclusions differ. op, and myself, and other might just learn something. tho i doubt you will.

My post was a call for less passivity and more active participation in what is a self-selected hobby. How you inferred the bolded portions above is puzzling and, quite frankly, a little sad. My intent was not to offend anyone. I'm sorry you took it that way.

really only one way to take your holier than thou crapfest of a post.

 

[Dave Larkin]

I'm trusting Bryant as my WR3 this week, as he adds points for his return yardage in the league I own him.

 

[steelwind]

I had him in my lineup but with better options I swapped him out this week. I just don't like the matchup @ GB. Of course he will probably blow up this game after I take him out.

 

[Kiddnets]

Miles is ranked very high....do you Dez supporters agree with that as well?

 

[steelwind]

Miles is ranked very high....do you Dez supporters agree with that as well?

Yes I think Miles will get his catches and yards. Kitna still throws it a ton. In PPR I would play Miles, Witten and Dez. Non PPR Miles and Witten. Dez would be a flex or WR3 unless you have better options.

 

[Black]

I think GB allows about 1 passing TD per week. GB DEF looked strong vs. NYJ last week in the shutout. Just don't think there's alot to like.

 

[togo]

He has moved up to #38 now in footballguy rankings!

Thoughts now?

 

[TS Garp]

but its seems like they've had Dez lower than I expected every week.

I've noticed this consistently.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

well, its pretty clear from your response that you rate your ability to quantify rankings as better than "experts." i think its reasonable that the rest of us peons would lean on fbg rankins for various reasons, not limited to time constraints, or self-awareness of our own limitations.

going further, its possible that ppl who feel they do their due diligence in regards to using statistics and news sources to attempt to predict performance actually hold the rankings of football guys in high esteem. and thus when they come to a drastically different conclusion, the following thought is most likely "why?"

it seems closeminded and arrogant to proceed, as you insinuated, as if you are the infallible. i mean, even if you are 99% infallible, it seems worthwhile to engage in dialogue with other esteemed participants when conclusions differ. op, and myself, and other might just learn something. tho i doubt you will.

My post was a call for less passivity and more active participation in what is a self-selected hobby. How you inferred the bolded portions above is puzzling and, quite frankly, a little sad. My intent was not to offend anyone. I'm sorry you took it that way.

really only one way to take your holier than thou crapfest of a post.

 

[KCC]

well, its pretty clear from your response that you rate your ability to quantify rankings as better than "experts." i think its reasonable that the rest of us peons would lean on fbg rankins for various reasons, not limited to time constraints, or self-awareness of our own limitations.

going further, its possible that ppl who feel they do their due diligence in regards to using statistics and news sources to attempt to predict performance actually hold the rankings of football guys in high esteem. and thus when they come to a drastically different conclusion, the following thought is most likely "why?"

it seems closeminded and arrogant to proceed, as you insinuated, as if you are the infallible. i mean, even if you are 99% infallible, it seems worthwhile to engage in dialogue with other esteemed participants when conclusions differ. op, and myself, and other might just learn something. tho i doubt you will.

My post was a call for less passivity and more active participation in what is a self-selected hobby. How you inferred the bolded portions above is puzzling and, quite frankly, a little sad. My intent was not to offend anyone. I'm sorry you took it that way.

really only one way to take your holier than thou crapfest of a post.

I'm sorry you were offended by the suggestion of you picking your own starters rather than having a website do it for you. If you have such delicate sensibilities, you're probably going to find these message boards a very rough place to visit.

 

[KCC]

well, its pretty clear from your response that you rate your ability to quantify rankings as better than "experts." i think its reasonable that the rest of us peons would lean on fbg rankins for various reasons, not limited to time constraints, or self-awareness of our own limitations.

going further, its possible that ppl who feel they do their due diligence in regards to using statistics and news sources to attempt to predict performance actually hold the rankings of football guys in high esteem. and thus when they come to a drastically different conclusion, the following thought is most likely "why?"

it seems closeminded and arrogant to proceed, as you insinuated, as if you are the infallible. i mean, even if you are 99% infallible, it seems worthwhile to engage in dialogue with other esteemed participants when conclusions differ. op, and myself, and other might just learn something. tho i doubt you will.

My post was a call for less passivity and more active participation in what is a self-selected hobby. How you inferred the bolded portions above is puzzling and, quite frankly, a little sad. My intent was not to offend anyone. I'm sorry you took it that way.

really only one way to take your holier than thou crapfest of a post.

Honest question for you and the others who think I was out of line: Why is the suggestion of you managing your own team so offensive?

 

[babydemon90]

This question was asked on the Dez Bryant thread, but it really needs to be looked at closer. I too am very puzzled by the low ranking. Why would FBG’s be so down on Dez after his 7/84 game? He seems to have a nice connection with Kitna. Going forward, that relationship should only improve. Dez has been practicing fully. Green Bay’s defense is a 16th rated defense (24th against the rush, 17th against the pass), so they aren’t bad, but not dominating. And you would expect that Green Bay would throttle the Cowboys on the offensive end, as the Cowboys defense has all but given up. And since the Cowboys can’t run effectively anyway and end up abandoning the run when they get behind, wouldn’t that only improve Dez Bryant’s opportunities?Someone please explain to me why Dez is so lowly rated this week?TIA

that 84 yards came against Jacksonville.....

 

[cvnpoka]

i dont think you are out of line for having such a stance and expressing it. just closeminded and misguided.

also, you could argue that op is indeed in the process of managing his own team. part of that process is gathering and analyzing data and opinions from reputable sources.

 

[KCC]

i dont think you are out of line for having such a stance and expressing it. just closeminded and misguided.

So, I wasn't out of line, you just have a personal issue with me. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Jersey35]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

Condescension is more impressive when you spell each word in your post correctly.On topic: I'm not a subscriber, but I agree that on the face of it, Bryant seems low. I would say it likely has most to do with GBs pass defense and some uncertainty regarding the state of Dallas' offense. Thinking it through, he's the #2 on a struggling team with a backup QB playing a solid pass D at Lambeau. Maybe 38 seems about right. But I like his upside.

 

[cvnpoka]

i dont think you are out of line for having such a stance and expressing it. just closeminded and misguided.

So, I wasn't out of line, you just have a personal issue with me. Thanks for clarifying.

i guess we just have a different understanding of the meaning of "out of line"

 

[KCC]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

Condescension is more impressive when you spell each word in your post correctly.

Why is it condescending to suggest someone manage their own football team? If I say that I'm into playing poker and yet I hire someone to play each hand for me, would you consider it condescending for someone to suggest that I play my own cards? Fantasy football is a voluntary hobby. If people don't enjoy reviewing football statistics and deciding who to plug into their starting lineups then maybe they really don't enjoy the hobby itself alll that much, but I'm guessing that's probably not true in most cases. My guess is that pay websights (have it ) have beome such a default option for most that there is a backlash (as evidenced here) at the very suggestion of people managing their own teams. Instead, most seem content to pay someone else tell them who to draft and who to start. And what, exactly, are the qualifications for a fantasy football expert anyway?

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

Condescension is more impressive when you spell each word in your post correctly.

Why is it condescending to suggest someone manage their own football team? If I say that I'm into playing poker and yet I hire someone to play each hand for me, would you consider it condescending for someone to suggest that I play my own cards? Fantasy football is a voluntary hobby. If people don't enjoy reviewing football statistics and deciding who to plug into their starting lineups then maybe they really don't enjoy the hobby itself alll that much, but I'm guessing that's probably not true in most cases. My guess is that pay websights (have it ) have beome such a default option for most that there is a backlash (as evidenced here) at the very suggestion of people managing their own teams. Instead, most seem content to pay someone else tell them who to draft and who to start. And what, exactly, are the qualifications for a fantasy football expert anyway?

This is a fantasy football message board for discussing fantasy football. That's all the OP was trying to do. Now that that is cleared up... why are you here exactly?

 

[cvnpoka]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

Condescension is more impressive when you spell each word in your post correctly.

Why is it condescending to suggest someone manage their own football team? If I say that I'm into playing poker and yet I hire someone to play each hand for me, would you consider it condescending for someone to suggest that I play my own cards? Fantasy football is a voluntary hobby. If people don't enjoy reviewing football statistics and deciding who to plug into their starting lineups then maybe they really don't enjoy the hobby itself alll that much, but I'm guessing that's probably not true in most cases. My guess is that pay websights (have it ) have beome such a default option for most that there is a backlash (as evidenced here) at the very suggestion of people managing their own teams. Instead, most seem content to pay someone else tell them who to draft and who to start. And what, exactly, are the qualifications for a fantasy football expert anyway?

this is more like if you are a poker player, and you play a hand that you are unsure of, and go to a poker message board and ask for advice. or you see phil ivey play a hand and you think, wow i woulda played it differently, so you go to a message board to discuss it.

 

[Jersey35]

KCC, you seem genuinely confused at the backlash here, so I'll bite. Maybe you aren't a troll after all.

You entered a message board on a pay site for fantasy advice, entered a thread which specifically said it was referring to that pay advice in the title, and proceeded to chastise to OP to essentially "manage their own team", and though you were polite, it still came off as though you thought you knew better.

Bottom line is that you clearly came into this thread with an agenda and added nothing to the thread, other than to suggest the OP manage their own team - despite the fact that by questioning the rankings, he demonstrated an ability and willingness to do exactly that

Hope this helps explain.

 

[SmallDawgsBITE]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

With this advice, I'm assuming you don't pay for any membership correct? If so, why?

 

[Dez]

Bench Dez at your own peril.

#88 is going to explode this week.

 

[ourmanflint]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

What about the OP's post says he is relying on FBG to pick his starters? I don't see it. At all. Not even a little. This makes your post offensive. For me, FBG is an assistant coach. I bounce many of my ideas off their rankings as a gauge. Not as the sole determinant in my decisions.

It helps to have a second opinion on this stuff. So much luck involved that I think part of due diligence is to consult their rankings if you respect their opinion. I do.

 

[djmich]

KCC, you seem genuinely confused at the backlash here, so I'll bite. Maybe you aren't a troll after all.You entered a message board on a pay site for fantasy advice, entered a thread which specifically said it was referring to that pay advice in the title, and proceeded to chastise to OP to essentially "manage their own team", and though you were polite, it still came off as though you thought you knew better.Bottom line is that you clearly came into this thread with an agenda and added nothing to the thread, other than to suggest the OP manage their own team - despite the fact that by questioning the rankings, he demonstrated an ability and willingness to do exactly that Hope this helps explain.

KCC, just stop.

 

[djmich]

I've switched back and forth between Dez and Lee Evans a few times now. Dez is now close to entering every week starter territory for me, but the matchup vs GB sucks and Evans has improved.

 

[griff321]

Question for GB homers. In the typical 3 wr set who would be covering Dez?

 

[Clifford]

rankings have been fairly useless all year. I won't be renewing my subscription. If you listen to the audible podcasts you can get pretty much everything you need.

Dez is going to have a good game this week.

 

[steelwind]

Dez you are permanently my WR3 from now on. I will never bench you again this year.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

I'm starting and expect last week to be the floor from here on out. Roy is not a part of the game plan anymore. Dez has huge upside each week. Sunday night in front of everyone, he seems like he's another one of the long list of attention looking WRs. He's a #2 WR at this point w/ the focus on him in the game plan. People calling him a #4 WR I'm sure have not watched the past 2 weeks. Why would anyone watch that jag/dal game unless they were invested. Like I said, he's a #2 and 5-75 is his weekly floor.

That's a very bold statement. 5-75 each week is very consistent and that is actually upside WR2 stats.

through the first half. dez has 5-70-1he is the ral deal and bringing down miles #s. you guys should have grabbed when you could cause he will be hard to get after this game.

 

[Kiddnets]

I traded Miles for Dez a few weeks ago and thought I was afraid of this....value was too good at the time...really thought Miles would still be the guy at least this year.

 

[N Zone]

Experts have no more information than anyone else can get with some careful digging. Quit relying on any websight to pick your starters. It will make you a much more involved participant in the hobby we all love.

Condescension is more impressive when you spell each word in your post correctly.

Why is it condescending to suggest someone manage their own football team? If I say that I'm into playing poker and yet I hire someone to play each hand for me, would you consider it condescending for someone to suggest that I play my own cards? Fantasy football is a voluntary hobby. If people don't enjoy reviewing football statistics and deciding who to plug into their starting lineups then maybe they really don't enjoy the hobby itself alll that much, but I'm guessing that's probably not true in most cases. My guess is that pay websights (have it ) have beome such a default option for most that there is a backlash (as evidenced here) at the very suggestion of people managing their own teams. Instead, most seem content to pay someone else tell them who to draft and who to start. And what, exactly, are the qualifications for a fantasy football expert anyway?

Why bother? It sounds like there are lot of lemmings that just follow FBG rankings. Easier for someone with more insight and football analysis to take advantage.