Dez to Denver (1 Viewer)

[a_rackowski]

I dont think that Dez will make it to Denver.

I thought about destinations for Dez all morning and I think he is going to go 1.3 to Tampa. 1.3 might be a tad early but when I sit down and look at Tampa I cannot see any other way that they go, no matter if Suh is available or not.

Tampa has a Franchise QB with a Franchise QB Head on his shoulders. This guy is in the weight room and in the film room constantly this offseason. He showed that he has some real skills. Tampa Bay has a couple veteran RBs and they have a quite solid Oline which has played together for a good share of time. What Tampa lacks is explosion. Nobody on that offense has exposion. Nobody on that offense puts fear in anyone. Winslow is a great player but at the end of teh day he is a tight end. If a team wants to beat you with only the TE, let them try. If you throw Dez Bryant on this team, it changes everything. Suddenly teams have to not only watch for Winslow. Suddenly the running game has larger lanes, suddenly Josh Freeman has a 2ndary weapon in the passing game. Suddenly this team has elite talent at game breaking positions!

With 2 picks in round two Tampa will have ample opportunity to select some defensive linemen. The talent dropoff at WR in this draft from Dez to everyone else in my opinion is far larger than the difference between Dlinemen like Odrick, Hughes, Dunlap, Kindle and Suh/McCoy.

Anyhow - i kind of wandered off topic.

 

[SSOG]

I dont think that Dez will make it to Denver. I thought about destinations for Dez all morning and I think he is going to go 1.3 to Tampa. 1.3 might be a tad early but when I sit down and look at Tampa I cannot see any other way that they go, no matter if Suh is available or not. Tampa has a Franchise QB with a Franchise QB Head on his shoulders. This guy is in the weight room and in the film room constantly this offseason. He showed that he has some real skills. Tampa Bay has a couple veteran RBs and they have a quite solid Oline which has played together for a good share of time. What Tampa lacks is explosion. Nobody on that offense has exposion. Nobody on that offense puts fear in anyone. Winslow is a great player but at the end of teh day he is a tight end. If a team wants to beat you with only the TE, let them try. If you throw Dez Bryant on this team, it changes everything. Suddenly teams have to not only watch for Winslow. Suddenly the running game has larger lanes, suddenly Josh Freeman has a 2ndary weapon in the passing game. Suddenly this team has elite talent at game breaking positions! With 2 picks in round two Tampa will have ample opportunity to select some defensive linemen. The talent dropoff at WR in this draft from Dez to everyone else in my opinion is far larger than the difference between Dlinemen like Odrick, Hughes, Dunlap, Kindle and Suh/McCoy. Anyhow - i kind of wandered off topic.

 

[trader jake]

If you are getting rid of Marshall primarily due (allegedly) to character concers, then why then essentially swap him for another guy (Bryant) with character concers who has yet to produce at the NFL level while Marshall has performed at a very high level?

1) Because the term "character concerns" is being twisted, expanded, and abused to an incredible extent when it comes to Bryant.2) Because getting rid of Marshall leaves a gaping hole at WR and Bryant is one of the best players in the draft.

..and the contracts (IE, risk) involved with having Brandon Marshall vs. Dez Bryant on the roster for the next five seasons.

 

[Warpig]

SSOG can go from absolutely genius in one thread to borderline drooling idiot in another. He needs to wipe the drool this time.

While I'm busy wiping that drool, answer one simple questions for me: If McDaniels moved Marshall for being a headcase THIS OFFSEASON after showing absolutely no interest in doing so LAST OFFSEASON, then Marshall must have done something during or after the season that increased his "headcase quotient", for lack of a better word. In other words, McDaniels must have decided THIS OFFSEASON that Marshall was a headcase and not to be tolerated, while not reaching that decision LAST OFFSEASON. For $10,000, please tell me what incident during the year could have possibly led to McDaniels concluding that Marshall was a bigger problem child than McDaniels originally thought he was. Go ahead and take your time, we've got all offseason.

The truth of the matter is that Brandon Marshall this offseason looks like much less of a problem child than Brandon Marshall last offseason looked. Last offseason, Marshall was criticizing the team, threatening to hold out, refusing to learn the playbook, and making an absolute mockery of practice for the 6 o'clock news. Rumors were even circulating that Shanahan was considering cutting him outright (although those rumors were ridiculous). Since then, Marshall has learned the playbook, learned the system, given 100% effort, and said glowing things about the franchise and said all the right things about wanting to be a part of it. Read through the dynasty thread and you'll see we've been talking all year about how Marshall must have hired the greatest PR firm ever, because he was saying and doing exactly the right thing all year long. And then, despite all of that, McDaniels benches him in week 17 and trades him in the offseason. McDaniels didn't do that because Marshall was a problem child. McDaniels did not jettison Brandon Marshall over character concerns. IF McDaniels wanted to get rid of players who were locker room cancers, he would have traded Brandon Marshall last year, when he was actually a locker room cancer, and not THIS YEAR, when he's been a model citizen.

No, McDaniels is riding Marshall out on a rail for the same reason he's getting rid of Tony Scheffler, a guy with nary a red mark on his entire record. He's doing it because he's decided that neither guy is With The Program.

I agree. I'm on record as saying that if Denver does draft Dez, I wouldn't touch him. McDaniels is like the Mad Hatter. To me, he appears to think that he's smarter than he actually is because of all the hype people give him for coming from the Pats. So far, he hasn't proven the ability to be a decent head coach...shoulda stuck with coordinating. Kinda reminds me of a young Al Davis or Lane Kiffin.Dez seems like a "sensitive" individual that you may need to handle with kid gloves. McDaniels likes to play ignorant head games with his players and I think that would ruin Dez. For Dez's sake, I hope he ends up in a place like Jacksonville or Atlanta or any place with an established "successful" head coach. Denver isn't far off from Oakland as far as stability in my book.

 

[footballsavvy]

Ewe I hope not atlanta. My roddy white investment would be ruined.

SSOG can go from absolutely genius in one thread to borderline drooling idiot in another. He needs to wipe the drool this time.

While I'm busy wiping that drool, answer one simple questions for me: If McDaniels moved Marshall for being a headcase THIS OFFSEASON after showing absolutely no interest in doing so LAST OFFSEASON, then Marshall must have done something during or after the season that increased his "headcase quotient", for lack of a better word. In other words, McDaniels must have decided THIS OFFSEASON that Marshall was a headcase and not to be tolerated, while not reaching that decision LAST OFFSEASON. For $10,000, please tell me what incident during the year could have possibly led to McDaniels concluding that Marshall was a bigger problem child than McDaniels originally thought he was. Go ahead and take your time, we've got all offseason.

The truth of the matter is that Brandon Marshall this offseason looks like much less of a problem child than Brandon Marshall last offseason looked. Last offseason, Marshall was criticizing the team, threatening to hold out, refusing to learn the playbook, and making an absolute mockery of practice for the 6 o'clock news. Rumors were even circulating that Shanahan was considering cutting him outright (although those rumors were ridiculous). Since then, Marshall has learned the playbook, learned the system, given 100% effort, and said glowing things about the franchise and said all the right things about wanting to be a part of it. Read through the dynasty thread and you'll see we've been talking all year about how Marshall must have hired the greatest PR firm ever, because he was saying and doing exactly the right thing all year long. And then, despite all of that, McDaniels benches him in week 17 and trades him in the offseason. McDaniels didn't do that because Marshall was a problem child. McDaniels did not jettison Brandon Marshall over character concerns. IF McDaniels wanted to get rid of players who were locker room cancers, he would have traded Brandon Marshall last year, when he was actually a locker room cancer, and not THIS YEAR, when he's been a model citizen.

No, McDaniels is riding Marshall out on a rail for the same reason he's getting rid of Tony Scheffler, a guy with nary a red mark on his entire record. He's doing it because he's decided that neither guy is With The Program.

I agree. I'm on record as saying that if Denver does draft Dez, I wouldn't touch him. McDaniels is like the Mad Hatter. To me, he appears to think that he's smarter than he actually is because of all the hype people give him for coming from the Pats. So far, he hasn't proven the ability to be a decent head coach...shoulda stuck with coordinating. Kinda reminds me of a young Al Davis or Lane Kiffin.Dez seems like a "sensitive" individual that you may need to handle with kid gloves. McDaniels likes to play ignorant head games with his players and I think that would ruin Dez. For Dez's sake, I hope he ends up in a place like Jacksonville or Atlanta or any place with an established "successful" head coach. Denver isn't far off from Oakland as far as stability in my book.

 

[moleculo]

SSOG can go from absolutely genius in one thread to borderline drooling idiot in another. He needs to wipe the drool this time.

While I'm busy wiping that drool, answer one simple questions for me: If McDaniels moved Marshall for being a headcase THIS OFFSEASON after showing absolutely no interest in doing so LAST OFFSEASON, then Marshall must have done something during or after the season that increased his "headcase quotient", for lack of a better word. In other words, McDaniels must have decided THIS OFFSEASON that Marshall was a headcase and not to be tolerated, while not reaching that decision LAST OFFSEASON. For $10,000, please tell me what incident during the year could have possibly led to McDaniels concluding that Marshall was a bigger problem child than McDaniels originally thought he was. Go ahead and take your time, we've got all offseason.

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several reasons Marshall was not moved last pre-season:
[*]Marshall didn't show his ### until training camp.

[*]Had McD tried to move him, all of the pre-season game-planning would have gone out the window.

[*]No way the Broncos could have gotten fair market value for someone either facing suspension pending results of an on-going court case, or broadcast on ESPN acting like a child.

[*]There was no way McD could have made that move after the cutler fiasco. He really was painted in a corner and had to play nice with the WR.

Right now, the Broncos are in a position where they can sign a veteran FA (TO maybe?) They can draft a shiny new WR. They can design an offense that doesn't depend on throwing to 15 100x a season. There's options available now that certainly weren't there last July. They can move on with gameplanning for 2010 w/o Marshall, whereas last July, they couldn't.

 

[JohnnyU]

SSOG can go from absolutely genius in one thread to borderline drooling idiot in another. He needs to wipe the drool this time.

While I'm busy wiping that drool, answer one simple questions for me: If McDaniels moved Marshall for being a headcase THIS OFFSEASON after showing absolutely no interest in doing so LAST OFFSEASON, then Marshall must have done something during or after the season that increased his "headcase quotient", for lack of a better word. In other words, McDaniels must have decided THIS OFFSEASON that Marshall was a headcase and not to be tolerated, while not reaching that decision LAST OFFSEASON. For $10,000, please tell me what incident during the year could have possibly led to McDaniels concluding that Marshall was a bigger problem child than McDaniels originally thought he was. Go ahead and take your time, we've got all offseason.

...

several reasons Marshall was not moved last pre-season:
[*]Marshall didn't show his ### until training camp.

[*]Had McD tried to move him, all of the pre-season game-planning would have gone out the window.

[*]No way the Broncos could have gotten fair market value for someone either facing suspension pending results of an on-going court case, or broadcast on ESPN acting like a child.

[*]There was no way McD could have made that move after the cutler fiasco. He really was painted in a corner and had to play nice with the WR.

Right now, the Broncos are in a position where they can sign a veteran FA (TO maybe?) They can draft a shiny new WR. They can design an offense that doesn't depend on throwing to 15 100x a season. There's options available now that certainly weren't there last July. They can move on with gameplanning for 2010 w/o Marshall, whereas last July, they couldn't.

Is it just me, or do they look pretty anemic on offense. Looks to me like they've downgraded at QB and WR and I'm not convinced Moreno is anything more than average. Going from Cutler / Marshall / Royal to Orton / Royal / Gaffney / Stokely looks pretty bad to me.

 

[moleculo]

SSOG can go from absolutely genius in one thread to borderline drooling idiot in another. He needs to wipe the drool this time.

While I'm busy wiping that drool, answer one simple questions for me: If McDaniels moved Marshall for being a headcase THIS OFFSEASON after showing absolutely no interest in doing so LAST OFFSEASON, then Marshall must have done something during or after the season that increased his "headcase quotient", for lack of a better word. In other words, McDaniels must have decided THIS OFFSEASON that Marshall was a headcase and not to be tolerated, while not reaching that decision LAST OFFSEASON. For $10,000, please tell me what incident during the year could have possibly led to McDaniels concluding that Marshall was a bigger problem child than McDaniels originally thought he was. Go ahead and take your time, we've got all offseason.

...

several reasons Marshall was not moved last pre-season:
[*]Marshall didn't show his ### until training camp.

[*]Had McD tried to move him, all of the pre-season game-planning would have gone out the window.

[*]No way the Broncos could have gotten fair market value for someone either facing suspension pending results of an on-going court case, or broadcast on ESPN acting like a child.

[*]There was no way McD could have made that move after the cutler fiasco. He really was painted in a corner and had to play nice with the WR.

Right now, the Broncos are in a position where they can sign a veteran FA (TO maybe?) They can draft a shiny new WR. They can design an offense that doesn't depend on throwing to 15 100x a season. There's options available now that certainly weren't there last July. They can move on with gameplanning for 2010 w/o Marshall, whereas last July, they couldn't.

Is it just me, or do they look pretty anemic on offense. Looks to me like they've downgraded at QB and WR and I'm not convinced Moreno is anything more than average. Going from Cutler / Marshall / Royal to Orton / Royal / Gaffney / Stokely looks pretty bad to me.

no, I think they look pretty anemic too. I'm not sure where the pop will come from. I don't see any game changers on the present roster. That doesn't necessarily mean that they will be less successful though. This O could be good enough to win some games, fantasy football be damned.

 

[FUBAR]

I dont think that Dez will make it to Denver.

I thought about destinations for Dez all morning and I think he is going to go 1.3 to Tampa. 1.3 might be a tad early but when I sit down and look at Tampa I cannot see any other way that they go, no matter if Suh is available or not.

Tampa has a Franchise QB with a Franchise QB Head on his shoulders. This guy is in the weight room and in the film room constantly this offseason. He showed that he has some real skills. Tampa Bay has a couple veteran RBs and they have a quite solid Oline which has played together for a good share of time. What Tampa lacks is explosion. Nobody on that offense has exposion. Nobody on that offense puts fear in anyone. Winslow is a great player but at the end of teh day he is a tight end. If a team wants to beat you with only the TE, let them try. If you throw Dez Bryant on this team, it changes everything. Suddenly teams have to not only watch for Winslow. Suddenly the running game has larger lanes, suddenly Josh Freeman has a 2ndary weapon in the passing game. Suddenly this team has elite talent at game breaking positions!

With 2 picks in round two Tampa will have ample opportunity to select some defensive linemen. The talent dropoff at WR in this draft from Dez to everyone else in my opinion is far larger than the difference between Dlinemen like Odrick, Hughes, Dunlap, Kindle and Suh/McCoy.

Anyhow - i kind of wandered off topic.

I like Dez a lot and have come full circle on Freeman, viewing him as a franchise QB now, so part of me hopes you're right, but I completely disagree with the bolded. Suh is better than McCoy IMO but either can be the cornerstone for a defense for the next decade. You take one of them if they're available (I'd say the same for the Rams)

 

[Garts]

Weel, he is supposedly on their board...wouldn't be surprised if they took him if he was there.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/16/broncos-co...s-on-our-board/

 

[SSOG]

Weel, he is supposedly on their board...wouldn't be surprised if they took him if he was there.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/16/broncos-co...s-on-our-board/

I wonder which other 49 guys will be joining Bryant on Denver's draft board.

 

[Garts]

Weel, he is supposedly on their board...wouldn't be surprised if they took him if he was there.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/16/broncos-co...s-on-our-board/

I wonder which other 49 guys will be joining Bryant on Denver's draft board.

Just saying Denver isn't one of the ten teams not looking at him.

 

[SSOG]

Weel, he is supposedly on their board...wouldn't be surprised if they took him if he was there.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/16/broncos-co...s-on-our-board/

I wonder which other 49 guys will be joining Bryant on Denver's draft board.

Just saying Denver isn't one of the ten teams not looking at him.

I know, I just couldn't let the opportunity pass without taking a shot at the fact that McDaniels is so arrogant that he doesn't even bother putting 90% of the draft-eligible talent on his draft board.

 

[BusMan]

Weel, he is supposedly on their board...wouldn't be surprised if they took him if he was there.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/16/broncos-co...s-on-our-board/

I wonder which other 49 guys will be joining Bryant on Denver's draft board.

Just saying Denver isn't one of the ten teams not looking at him.

I know, I just couldn't let the opportunity pass without taking a shot at the fact that McDaniels is so arrogant that he doesn't even bother putting 90% of the draft-eligible talent on his draft board.

Ah, the short board. If only McDaniels had showed even the tiniest glimpse of knowing what he was doing in last year's draft...

 

[SSOG]

If the rumors that the Steelers are discussing moving Ben are true, Denver needs to forget about Dez and get on that.

 

[BusMan]

If the rumors that the Steelers are discussing moving Ben are true, Denver needs to forget about Dez and get on that.

Wow. Really!?

 

[SSOG]

If the rumors that the Steelers are discussing moving Ben are true, Denver needs to forget about Dez and get on that.

Wow. Really!?

Yes. When Cutler was shipped, my position was that franchise QBs were hard to come by, whether they were idiots or not. Same deal applies here. In fact, if McDaniels could somehow get Roethlisberger for less than he got by trading Cutler, he would have wholly accidentally stumbled into a great net gain- he would have upgraded his QB (I really like Cutler, but I think Roethlisberger is already one of the top 5 QBs in the league, along with Manning/Brees/Brady/Rivers) *AND* he would have had a net gain in draft picks to go along with it. *AND*, Ben's contract would be far more affordable than it would have been to re-sign Cutler (since Ben's signing bonus is already paid, so the Broncos would only be responsible for his yearly salaries). Hey, even a broken watch is right twice a day.

 

[BeTheMatch]

If the rumors that the Steelers are discussing moving Ben are true, Denver needs to forget about Dez and get on that.

Wow. Really!?

Yes. When Cutler was shipped, my position was that franchise QBs were hard to come by, whether they were idiots or not. Same deal applies here. In fact, if McDaniels could somehow get Roethlisberger for less than he got by trading Cutler, he would have wholly accidentally stumbled into a great net gain- he would have upgraded his QB (I really like Cutler, but I think Roethlisberger is already one of the top 5 QBs in the league, along with Manning/Brees/Brady/Rivers) *AND* he would have had a net gain in draft picks to go along with it. *AND*, Ben's contract would be far more affordable than it would have been to re-sign Cutler (since Ben's signing bonus is already paid, so the Broncos would only be responsible for his yearly salaries). Hey, even a broken watch is right twice a day.

I really have a hard time seeing Pat Bowlen go for that.

 

[Buffaloes]

If the rumors that the Steelers are discussing moving Ben are true, Denver needs to forget about Dez and get on that.

Maybe they can talk Lawrence Phillips out of retirement as a change of pace for Moreno too.

 

[SSOG]

If the rumors that the Steelers are discussing moving Ben are true, Denver needs to forget about Dez and get on that.

Maybe they can talk Lawrence Phillips out of retirement as a change of pace for Moreno too.

Everyone seems awfully quick to call Roethlisberger guilty. The Vegas case smells like total bunk to me, and while it sure seems like there was something to the Georgia case, no charges were filed and we'll never know exactly what happened. Compare this to someone like Randy McMichael, who has multiple domestic violence arrests but who nobody really mentions anything about. Or even like Brandon Marshall himself, who has way more character issues than Roethlisberger but who doesn't engender anywhere near the same level of vitriol.

 

[Kev4029]

If the rumors that the Steelers are discussing moving Ben are true, Denver needs to forget about Dez and get on that.

Maybe they can talk Lawrence Phillips out of retirement as a change of pace for Moreno too.

Everyone seems awfully quick to call Roethlisberger guilty. The Vegas case smells like total bunk to me, and while it sure seems like there was something to the Georgia case, no charges were filed and we'll never know exactly what happened. Compare this to someone like Randy McMichael, who has multiple domestic violence arrests but who nobody really mentions anything about. Or even like Brandon Marshall himself, who has way more character issues than Roethlisberger but who doesn't engender anywhere near the same level of vitriol.

I'd be game to bring Big Ben in, but that's mostly because I don't really care what kind of character the players of my teams have. But, the dude is a scumbag and I don't think there is really any defending him. It may be good from a football standpoint, but it would be TERRIBLE from a PR standpoint. Owners are trying to make money, not trying to win football games necessarily (although wins and profit typically go hand in hand) and this would definitely cost Bowlen some money.McMichael and Roethlisberger are birds of a feather.

 

[SSOG]

I'd be game to bring Big Ben in, but that's mostly because I don't really care what kind of character the players of my teams have. But, the dude is a scumbag and I don't think there is really any defending him. It may be good from a football standpoint, but it would be TERRIBLE from a PR standpoint. Owners are trying to make money, not trying to win football games necessarily (although wins and profit typically go hand in hand) and this would definitely cost Bowlen some money.McMichael and Roethlisberger are birds of a feather.

I agree that he sounds like a total doucher, but the Roethlisberger backlash is way out of proportion, here. I mean, people are calling him a rapist. I sincerely doubt that he raped either of the women in question (like I said, the Vegas story sounds like total bull, and as for the Georgia case... there's a huge spectrum of "sexual assault" before you get all the way to rape). I even more sincerely doubt that anyone who is being so quick to crucify him knows any more on the subject than I do. Right now, it seems to me that all he is is a brutish jerk with absolutely no regard for women or the rights of others. Which makes him an irredeemable d-bag, a poor excuse for a human being, and someone I wouldn't want anywhere near my mother, or my wife, or my daughter... but it also makes him no different than any number of other NFL players (or people in any profession whatsoever) who don't engender anywhere near the same level of vitriol. That includes one Brandon Marshall, whose acquisition has left Miami's fanbase far more energized and invigorated than disgusted.

 

[Catbird]

Marshall wasn't launched because he was a problem.

He wasn't. "He's a problem player" is not a reason McDaniels uses to get someone off the team. "He's not following the program" is a reason he uses. That's why he launched Cutler (who was never a problem until McDaniels tried to get rid of him), that's why he benched Scheffler (whose only sin was complaining about his usage... IN PRIVATE) and why Scheffler will soon be launched. It's why he was hugging Brandon Marshall the "problem child" after winning in New England (you know, back when he was fitting in with the program), and it's why he's trading Brandon Marshall right now (after Marshall "malingered" with an injury and stopped "fitting in with the program").The reason why Brandon Marshall is being traded isn't that Brandon Marshall is a headcase. It's that Josh McDaniels wants to surround himself with Josh McDaniels' guys, and he decided that Marshall was no longer one of "his guys".

Yes, but it is arguable that he wasn't a "McDaniels Guy" because he was a problem (he didn't buy into the system concept the prior poster mentioned).

Not very arguable. Marshall was the biggest freaking problem child I've ever seen last offseason, yet he and McDaniels were still super-super chummy during the middle of the season- hugging in press conferences, saying glowing things about each other and the team, braiding each others' hair before bedtime at their sleepovers, etc. Sure seemed like Brandon Marshall- the pouting diva who batted down balls in practice and jogged during drills- was a "McDaniels Guy" back then. Sure seemed like he bought into the system when he caught 20 passes in a game. McDaniels had no problem keeping him around back when he was merely a problem child... but when McDaniels suspected he was a malingerer, too, Marshall was on the first train out of town. Seriously, Marshall told the media during the preseason last year that he hadn't even bothered learning the playbook yet... and he and McDaniels still got along fine until McDaniels suspected him of overstating an injury late in the year.

I think its a lot semantics and there's a splash of revisionist history here. I'm in the 'drooling today' camp. Marshall WAS a problem at the beginning of last season. McDaniels was brand new and had just participated in the great Cutler catastrophy. Getting rid of Marshall was not an attractive option to take to the media - which I think is the only reason Marshall weathered those training camp episodes. But Marshall wasn't tolerated and coddled as SSOG argues, but instead suspended and left to comply or stay suspended. The prevailing belief here, and I think most places, was that Marshall was gone. But Brandon got his act together, came contritely back, kept his mouth shut and practiced/played hard. He caused no problems for 14 games or so. Then, unable to control himself, he started his pouting, head games and refusal to participate. SSOG is correct that this pissed off McD and led to his being traded. Whether you want to see that as a McDaniels' issue for Marshall not being a 'program guy' or as I think is a more neutral view, as Marshall still being obstructive and a head case with powderkeg potential ... I think depends on whether or not you have an axe to grind regarding McDaniels. I think Marshall's manner, comments and refusing to play at the end of the year convinced McD that he would never over-come his problem mindset, and that got him traded.

I agree with SSOG that Shefler got traded because McDaniels didn't think he fit the system or bought into it. That doesn't mean the motivations for trading Marshall and Shefler weren't different in character, or that Marshall wasn't traded for being a head-case. He was.

Dez? I don't think he has shown anything like the deep-rooted problems Marshall wrestles with, but instead only issues of maturity. This makes him completely McDaniels draftable, unless McD perceives that he is too deeply a Dez first mindset - which I think McD would shy away from in his belief that teams win games, not individuals. But WR also isn't nearly Denver's position of greatest need. And as mentioned above, McDaniels seems to believe that his system doesn't need great WRs. So I don't see Bryant in orange and blue, but I don't think it has anything to do with Marshall.