DFS Scandals in E.F.F.E.C.T (3 Viewers)

[Leroy Hoard]

Also, for those of you complaining about the ads:

If you don't like them, don't consume the FREE media in which they appear.

I can't play due to the state I live in. Why should I have to see the adds?

Pretty simple, you just have to move to another state.

 

[MattFancy]

I hate both DFS companies for nothing else because they pollute NFL games with their Spam ads. $200 free cash, enter this promo code...blah blah blah...and there's a million suckers born every minute. I hope the entire industry chokes on bubble and everyone who invested in this shady business loses their shirt.

Agreed. There's even a 30 minute infomercial now. Someone make it stop please.

I was flipping through the Guide on DTV on Sunday and there must have been 4 or 5 channels that had FanDuel/DraftKings infomercials on around 10-11am. Unbelievable.

 

[Short Corner]

I hope all DFS is banned just like online poker. It's gambling

So you believe the government should tell you how to spend your money? Got it.

Sometimes people need to be saved from themselves

Just so long as you can decide what is best for them amirite?

 

[Uncle Grandpa]

Also, for those of you complaining about the ads:

If you don't like them, don't consume the FREE media in which they appear.

<<Buzzer Sound>> Incorrect. DraftKings sponsors Red Zone. Now we get to see how many DraftKings points the Arizona defense has scored (in the second quarter, mind you) and hear Scott Hanson tell us that it's not too late to play the 4 o'clock games.

Oh, btw, Verizon charges $70.00 for the Red Zone.

 

[cvnpoka]

But because Congress did not foresee how fantasy sports would explode, one member, Representative Frank Pallone Jr., Democrat of New Jersey, recently requested a hearing to explore the relationship between fantasy sports and gambling. I really think if they had to justify themselves at a hearing they wouldnt be able to, Mr. Pallone said in a recent interview.

Ya think?

Justify what? I dont even know what this statement means.

 

[cvnpoka]

Why not just have ownership % a public stat prior to games?

Noone would play until the very end.

Guys can't play 5,000 contests every Sunday? Good

Talk about missing the point

 

[Skoo]

But because Congress did not foresee how fantasy sports would explode, one member, Representative Frank Pallone Jr., Democrat of New Jersey, recently requested a hearing to explore the relationship between fantasy sports and gambling. I really think if they had to justify themselves at a hearing they wouldnt be able to, Mr. Pallone said in a recent interview.

Ya think?

Justify what? I dont even know what this statement means.

He's saying that they wouldn't be able to justify the notion that DFS is a "skill game" and therefore not gambling.

 

[Bojang0301]

Wait, why the #### does MLB have an equity stake in this company? I don't care for the leagues being involved with this. Don't say you don't want gambling involved in your sport until you find something they want to insinuate isn't gambling.

 

[cvnpoka]

Hang on to your fantasy butts.

The hobby is about to get scrutinized like never before.

And if some self righteous Congressman gets a bug up his bunghole about it it'll be the beginning of the end of the hobby as we know it.

Greed wins and destroys again.

yep, there is no way the industry lasts longterm in its current form. I think they know that, hence why they are allowing all kinds of BS and advertising like crazy. Basically trying to get everything they can before the house of cards crumbles.

They wouldnt be advertising like crazy if they foresee the end soon. Right now these companies are blowing all of their money in ads. This is well documented.

 

[cvnpoka]

How are people that are casual DFS players or who don't play know what is really the business? Any serious DFS player shares most of my viewpoints. It is like asking a random guy who doesn't play what he thinks. A losing player will still be a losing player and a winning player will still be a winning player no matter what this separate situation entails.

I don't really know what happened, I don't know if the employee used the ownership percentages when entering tournaments on another site. It is an advantage but it isn't hard to figure out how much certain players are owned in a tournament. It is an advantage but even for Thurs start slates, you can see ownership percentages in tournaments on FD which can be used to estimate ownership percentages on any other site for the Sunday contests.

Pretty much this. But now all of the wannabe nfl expert talent evaluators and gms that got their ### handed to them in dfs can point at this and say see i was cheated.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Over reaction

These are for GPP mainly

To be successful in DFS for large majority you have to be able to win the cash games consistently.No one is stopping you from being able to win in the cash games. Sure there probably is lineup sharing and a lot of info out there on who to pick in cash games, etc but you still control your success. There are people who win the cash games consistently and who make a living primary off the cash games. Most of you guys aren't going to finish high in a large GPP anyway.

I really think you work for one of these sites or are just a complete sheep. You're always quick to defend DFS in any thread.

True story

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Why not just have ownership % a public stat prior to games?

Noone would play until the very end.

Guys can't play 5,000 contests every Sunday? Good

Talk about missing the point

I got the point. It's the professional gamblers like you and fs1 that ruin a pretty cool concept for everyone.

 

[QuizGuy66]

This would be like the horse track not posting the mutuel pools up on the board.

The lack of transparency is brutal.

It certainly is a big deal with the $$ involved.

-QG

 

[mquinnjr]

Wait, why the #### does MLB have an equity stake in this company? I don't care for the leagues being involved with this. Don't say you don't want gambling involved in your sport until you find something they want to insinuate isn't gambling.

Lobbyists (assumedly for Vegas). Yeah, they are good.

 

[cvnpoka]

But because Congress did not foresee how fantasy sports would explode, one member, Representative Frank Pallone Jr., Democrat of New Jersey, recently requested a hearing to explore the relationship between fantasy sports and gambling. I really think if they had to justify themselves at a hearing they wouldnt be able to, Mr. Pallone said in a recent interview.

Ya think?

Justify what? I dont even know what this statement means.

He's saying that they wouldn't be able to justify the notion that DFS is a "skill game" and therefore not gambling.

Ofc its a skill game. Its gambling too.

 

[cvnpoka]

Why not just have ownership % a public stat prior to games?

Noone would play until the very end.

Guys can't play 5,000 contests every Sunday? Good

Talk about missing the point

I got the point. It's the professional gamblers like you and fs1 that ruin a pretty cool concept for everyone.

I mean, it has nothing to do with ppl making a ton of entries. If everyone waits til the end to register then it will totally defeat the purpose of publicizing ownership percentages.

 

[Uncle Grandpa]

CNBC just had a segment on the news. Instead of discussing the issue, they basically took five minutes to explain how DFS works and that it's like the stock market where owners look for "value".

Then, of course, they disclose that CNBC's parent company is an investor in Fanduel. :SMH:

 

[bagger]

The argument against the daily sites isn't adding up to me. Unless they start putting in lineups after the games are played, you can't really cheat the system.

You can in theory hack the system and see the poker cards a player is dealt. You can't do anything to see the stats a player will put up until the game is played.

I know I am going up against computer created teams and that is fine with me. I am better at making a lineup than an algo is. Obviously, I will lose when I am up against 1,000 algo or real Player teams and that is why I only play h2h or h2h2h games.

I put $25 in DK and am now up to $175 playing h2h2h games. I'll keep playing until I stop making money. It's easy and more importantly, it's fun. The enjoyment I get playing daily is well worth the small deposit I put in.

i love these people that think them slapping together a lineup is as sophisticated or more than an algorithm that some genius from MIT developed. Your post demonstrates you have no idea what the true meta theory is in winning the game you are playing.The fish are told they are getting flayed and they're like "it's ok everyone I got this".

This would be an amazing human psychology study.

With that said if you are having fun knock yourself out. Just don't delude yourself into thinking you have a chance. It's one thing to say, if I want to blow some money on DFS and I know it's rigged that's my choice. It's another to say the algorithms provide no advantage to your competition. That's just flat out insane.

 

[bagger]

Also, for those of you complaining about the ads:

If you don't like them, don't consume the FREE media in which they appear.

i don't have to pay for my monthly directv bill anymore? Sweet!

No, you don't have to pay your DirecTV bill.

You choose to pay it.

thank you for proving my point.

I think I proved that you're pretty clueless about how the media works and why you can watch games without paying for them.

Paying for DirecTV is something entirely different.

please elaborate since I am so clueless.

 

[Quez]

This thread is way better than the FFA one. Man those guys are weird in that forum.

 

[Quez]

<<casual user -threw $200 in this year

It's fun - but once you get more than a few games going it's more like work/luck and hard to follow. Too much time invested for sure.

It's hard to win - easy to lose (duh)

I'm roughly even and debating just getting my $$ out. This 'news' which of course is no surprise might sway me. (And it should but I'll prolly hang on for a lottery like play here and there)

But don't you want to get your $200 match bonus? You only have to play for another 5years for it to trickle out.

 

[MattFancy]

In these threads about it on here, you can really spot the fish that are hooked.

 

[theplayer11]

A spokeswoman for DraftKings said Haskell simply made a mistake and that the company was certain that he did not use the information improperly.

And if you believe that, i've got a bridge for sale.

I don't believe myself to be a fool nor do I play at these sites, but can someone explain what type of "insider info" someone could utilize to win money at other sites? Like injury info? Willie Snead is going to out snap Colston?

Knowing ownership percentages is HUGE info to have. The ownership % is similar across sites.

I don't know why it would be.

It is like shorting a stock that everyone else is buying. If the stock goes down, you win big. By avoiding heavily owned players in the huge DFS tournaments, you are essentially shorting their stock and buying stock in a lesser owned player with the potential to outscore them.

I kind of follow this, but what good would it do if you are picking less owned players that end up scoring fewer points?

 

[Quez]

Also, for those of you complaining about the ads:

If you don't like them, don't consume the FREE media in which they appear.

Scott Hanson tell us that it's not too late to play the 4 o'clock games.

I liked this guy better when he was busting child molesters. He is turning into a Ryan Seacrest the way he is plugging Draft Kings.

 

[bagger]

A spokeswoman for DraftKings said Haskell simply made a mistake and that the company was certain that he did not use the information improperly.

And if you believe that, i've got a bridge for sale.

I don't believe myself to be a fool nor do I play at these sites, but can someone explain what type of "insider info" someone could utilize to win money at other sites? Like injury info? Willie Snead is going to out snap Colston?

Knowing ownership percentages is HUGE info to have. The ownership % is similar across sites.

I don't know why it would be.

It is like shorting a stock that everyone else is buying. If the stock goes down, you win big. By avoiding heavily owned players in the huge DFS tournaments, you are essentially shorting their stock and buying stock in a lesser owned player with the potential to outscore them.

I kind of follow this, but what good would it do if you are picking less owned players that end up scoring fewer points?

then the other 999 lineups you submitted will probably hedge your bets.

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

I can't say that any of this surprises me at all. In fact, I personally think this is the tip of the iceberg. If employees of these companies are using ownership percentages to their advantages in regards to playing their own lineups-- what is to say that they don't sell this info to the highest bidder? Let's not kid ourselves here--both the major sites allowed the use of scripting bots to create optimal lineups in their terms of service not long ago. If somebody were to know which players have low ownership--and create multiple "optimal" lineups centering around the use of those players---it gives them a HUGE advantage in large entry tournaments. Also--if those low ownership players were to really have big games--their large exposure to those players would most likely result in multiple high placings in these tournaments which means more money won.

In regards to the motivation to play DFS--I personally have none. I also would very much recommend that any person avoid getting sucked into DFS thinking they are going to win money. I'm certainly not saying that it's not possible to win--I'm saying that it's not probable. For every person here that "says" they won--there is probably 90-100 that lose. Being that I spend a decent amount of time in Vegas (namely because I own properties there)--I can tell you firsthand that most people that gamble (play)generally tend to over exaggerate their successes while downplaying their losses. If winning in DFS was so easy--how do you think they can afford to be on every commercial on every network at every moment of the day? Sure--a few of you will respond to this post saying "I've won..blah blah blah"--and there are only two realities to this. 1) you are in a very select minority--so good for you or 2) you are lying. With that being said--if one chooses to play DFS--don't do it for money--do it for the sake of entertainment. Give yourself a set budget that you are willing to use in the name of entertainment--and if you win--congrats. If you lose--hopefully you had fun playing.

Good posting. All the proof you need is to scan the new DFS board that FBGs made. Try to find threads or even many posts where dudes talk about winning big money. There are not many. This is set up just like gambling; to screw people who have low impulse control and are stupid.

 

[Shutout]

I love the people that don't play claim this should be illegal. If you don't play why do you care?

Well, I'm not Jewish but I care about the Holocaust. I think it's just people wanting to take an interest in events in their society.

 

[theplayer11]

so states should ban lotteries as well, just preying on the low income

 

[beef]

I heard phenoms is trying to setup a dfs.

 

[Shutout]

I really hope this is the trigger to getting this whole thing brought down. The commercials are out of control.

Yep. A settlement for the public could be for those two sites to stop advertising on TV and radio. I'd take that.

That would have to be on the level of somewhere between alcohol (allowed) and tobacco (not allowed). That puts DFS in a fairly sketchy neighborhood of existence.

 

[Shutout]

That's the funny thing about these sites. I don't find them morally offensive. I find the amount of advertising offensive and THAT'S why I wanna see the industry crumble.

I'm with you. It's just so in your face that it literally begs even the casual observer to say "what is this and how can they possibly be legitimately be paying out that kind of money each week?"

Just the mention that they pay out $75 Million a week or whatever they say screams that if they are honestly doing that and advertising this heavy, then someone is making fiendish money and that is seldom just simple, good business. When you see absurd money floating around, there is ALWAYS a scandal lying in a closet somewhere.

It is such a money maker that I get the sense this is a big push to put a big, final squeeze on the money tree and then pack it up and go home. If the doors shut down tomorrow, there are some people out there that have money to last generations.

 

[Shutout]

Also, for those of you complaining about the ads:

If you don't like them, don't consume the FREE media in which they appear.

Scott Hanson tell us that it's not too late to play the 4 o'clock games.

I liked this guy better when he was busting child molesters. He is turning into a Ryan Seacrest the way he is plugging Draft Kings.

He has to. They are this year's new sponsor for RZ. He's just doing his job.

 

[spider321]

The argument against the daily sites isn't adding up to me. Unless they start putting in lineups after the games are played, you can't really cheat the system.

You can in theory hack the system and see the poker cards a player is dealt. You can't do anything to see the stats a player will put up until the game is played.

I know I am going up against computer created teams and that is fine with me. I am better at making a lineup than an algo is. Obviously, I will lose when I am up against 1,000 algo or real Player teams and that is why I only play h2h or h2h2h games.

I put $25 in DK and am now up to $175 playing h2h2h games. I'll keep playing until I stop making money. It's easy and more importantly, it's fun. The enjoyment I get playing daily is well worth the small deposit I put in.

i love these people that think them slapping together a lineup is as sophisticated or more than an algorithm that some genius from MIT developed. Your post demonstrates you have no idea what the true meta theory is in winning the game you are playing.The fish are told they are getting flayed and they're like "it's ok everyone I got this".

This would be an amazing human psychology study.

With that said if you are having fun knock yourself out. Just don't delude yourself into thinking you have a chance. It's one thing to say, if I want to blow some money on DFS and I know it's rigged that's my choice. It's another to say the algorithms provide no advantage to your competition. That's just flat out insane.

Flc735 does not understand what a disadvantage he has, or more importantly, why he has that disadvantage.

Many people believe that their fantasy football knowledge will help then win money on these websites. These professional players are NOT playing the same game as you. They are entering EVERY contest in EVERY format for EVERY amount of $. They are submitting hundreds, if not thousands of different lineups, that are generated by computer to give them the best statistical chance possible to win. Yes, you can win some here and there, but in the long run, you WILL lose money.

In layman's terms, you are playing checkers, they are playing chess.

 

[Wonderllama]

I know other sites like DraftDay have an option to play in beginners-only contest. Like say, people that haven't played in more than 50 or 100 games. I think DraftKings may have the option, I haven't played there in a while. That should be the standard on Fanduel too. It would help newbies feel like they could compete.

With more media attention comes more scrutiny. I've been playing on Fanduel since 2011 on a very modest weekly bankroll, but I always withdraw all my money. Just in case. Even back then I was worried about the site going down like the Poker ones did. That happened out of nowhere. You never know.

 

[Shutout]

Let's play "best day/worst day" here.

Do any of you guys think that if this thing went the extreme worst day that this could be the fall of Fantasy...period?

In a scenario where they crash on DFS, they would have to rewrite some legislation to specifically say that DFS IS gambling...and how so. Most people can't distinguish fantasy leagues from DFS. And since Fanduel and DK both refer to is the "daily fantasy" and the short alternative to season-long fantasy, Is it within the realm of reason that if something is written saying it IS gambling that sites like Yahoo, MFL, CBS, etc would be much harder pressed to support leagues?

Could we face a scenario where it becomes like NCAA BBALL pools and everything isn't "above board" anymore?

 

[Dismattle]

FBG needs to startup a DFS..

We pretty much all know the same moves..

Most Wins should be the results of wind gusts against one teams kicker..

Guys who Win, but werent using the Forum guide? Ya know bad team who gets lucky! IF it happens twice,, monies refunded, disqualified n booted

Heres the pitch..

$100 gets ya access to the "private FBG DFS" and a yrs subscription..

(my personal ad)

Annual subscriptions waived based on active non-winning players

 

[shadyridr]

Why not just have ownership % a public stat prior to games?

Noone would play until the very end.

Guys can't play 5,000 contests every Sunday? Good

Talk about missing the point

I got the point. It's the professional gamblers like you and fs1 that ruin a pretty cool concept for everyone.

I mean, it has nothing to do with ppl making a ton of entries. If everyone waits til the end to register then it will totally defeat the purpose of publicizing ownership percentages.

Huh? the point is give everyone the same information, whether that be none or all. Level playing field for all is the point. Ownership % may become worthless at that point but at least its worthless for everyone.

 

[shadyridr]

Let's play "best day/worst day" here.

Do any of you guys think that if this thing went the extreme worst day that this could be the fall of Fantasy...period?

In a scenario where they crash on DFS, they would have to rewrite some legislation to specifically say that DFS IS gambling...and how so. Most people can't distinguish fantasy leagues from DFS. And since Fanduel and DK both refer to is the "daily fantasy" and the short alternative to season-long fantasy, Is it within the realm of reason that if something is written saying it IS gambling that sites like Yahoo, MFL, CBS, etc would be much harder pressed to support leagues?

Could we face a scenario where it becomes like NCAA BBALL pools and everything isn't "above board" anymore?

MFL & CBS arent gambling sites. Plus CBS has an NCAA BBALL pool tournament as well so not sure your point.

 

[Shutout]

Let's play "best day/worst day" here.

Do any of you guys think that if this thing went the extreme worst day that this could be the fall of Fantasy...period?

In a scenario where they crash on DFS, they would have to rewrite some legislation to specifically say that DFS IS gambling...and how so. Most people can't distinguish fantasy leagues from DFS. And since Fanduel and DK both refer to is the "daily fantasy" and the short alternative to season-long fantasy, Is it within the realm of reason that if something is written saying it IS gambling that sites like Yahoo, MFL, CBS, etc would be much harder pressed to support leagues?

Could we face a scenario where it becomes like NCAA BBALL pools and everything isn't "above board" anymore?

MFL & CBS arent gambling sites. Plus CBS has an NCAA BBALL pool tournament as well so not sure your point.

They have pools but they don't have inroads to finances openly exchanging money. MFL has a Leaguesafe partnership right on their site.

BBALL tourneys have always been wink wink nod nod.. Companies don't openly discuss people are playing for money amongst one another. MFL does. Its always been known that people chip in fees and play for pay. Would that have to go away, and so on and on?

 

[Skoo]

They have pools but they don't have inroads to finances openly exchanging money. MFL has a Leaguesafe partnership right on their site.


BBALL tourneys have always been wink wink nod nod.. Companies don't openly discuss people are playing for money amongst one another. MFL does. Its always been known that people chip in fees and play for pay. Would that have to go away, and so on and on?

My guess is the bolded above is what will keep regular fantasy sites and bball pools going. CBS, ESPN, etc can call claim they simply offer a free fantasy game and they have no control if people decide to "bet on it" on their own or not. DFS cannot say the same.

 

[Shutout]

They have pools but they don't have inroads to finances openly exchanging money. MFL has a Leaguesafe partnership right on their site.


BBALL tourneys have always been wink wink nod nod.. Companies don't openly discuss people are playing for money amongst one another. MFL does. Its always been known that people chip in fees and play for pay. Would that have to go away, and so on and on?

My guess is the bolded above is what will keep regular fantasy sites and bball pools going. CBS, ESPN, etc can call claim they simply offer a free fantasy game and they have no control if people decide to "bet on it" on their own or not. DFS cannot say the same.

That's my thought and where I was going with this. Wondering if the sites would have to distance themselves from the financial aspect of it..maybe a site like MFL would have to no longer partner with Leaguesafe and could no longer advertise partnerships and games with DFS as they do now.

 

[flc735]

The argument against the daily sites isn't adding up to me. Unless they start putting in lineups after the games are played, you can't really cheat the system.

You can in theory hack the system and see the poker cards a player is dealt. You can't do anything to see the stats a player will put up until the game is played.

I know I am going up against computer created teams and that is fine with me. I am better at making a lineup than an algo is. Obviously, I will lose when I am up against 1,000 algo or real Player teams and that is why I only play h2h or h2h2h games.

I put $25 in DK and am now up to $175 playing h2h2h games. I'll keep playing until I stop making money. It's easy and more importantly, it's fun. The enjoyment I get playing daily is well worth the small deposit I put in.

i love these people that think them slapping together a lineup is as sophisticated or more than an algorithm that some genius from MIT developed. Your post demonstrates you have no idea what the true meta theory is in winning the game you are playing.The fish are told they are getting flayed and they're like "it's ok everyone I got this".

This would be an amazing human psychology study.

With that said if you are having fun knock yourself out. Just don't delude yourself into thinking you have a chance. It's one thing to say, if I want to blow some money on DFS and I know it's rigged that's my choice. It's another to say the algorithms provide no advantage to your competition. That's just flat out insane.

Ya you missread my post and made your own conclusion for me.

This isn't a viable way to make money. This is for fun. I happened to make money so far so I'll keep playing.

If anyone is this worried about being cheated but enjoy playing, dont play the lottery style tournaments. Stick to h2h and low dollar games.

I don't think mass computer generated lineups qualifies it as rigged. I think that is totally fair and fine.

Seeing the ownership % would give you a small advantage but not a meaningful one. It's not hard to guess the rough ownership percentages already.

Freeman will be highly owned next week, Calvin will not. Gurley will be highly owned, cooks will not.

Compared one to one, a lineup made by someone that follows the news will out preform the same number of computer made lineups over the long term.

Where the computer lineups have the advantage is the volume and variance they are able to insert into thier lineups. This allows them to have a few rosters with, say, week 4 d Martin and his 26 points.

Playing Car def, it doesn't make a lot of sense to start Martin there so you wont see him in a human made lineup. The only place you would find him is in one of the many variations of lineups that an algorithm system will create or in a lineup made by a random Tampa fan that doesn't n know what they are doing.

But for every 25 point Martin play, there are ten 5 point jstew/weaton/Harvin ect.. plays. Those failed rosters fall to the bottom of the tourney rankings and you don't see them.

In large tourneys, the smart ff'ers all share the same good value plays while it's the clueless guys and computer lineups that will have a small amount of rosters that will have thier out-of-nowhere 25 point d Martin week 4 roster sitting at the top of the tourney.

 

[flc735]

I put in $25 and had 4 fun weeks of rooting for my players and am looking forward to next week. Even if I lost that money it was worth it for the fun alone. There is no scenario where I am getting "flayed" here lol

 

[MattFancy]

ESPN removes daily fantasy sponsored content from their shows, but keeps the ads

 

[Shutout]

ESPN removes daily fantasy sponsored content from their shows, but keeps the ads

Ohh the hypocrisy

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Wait, why the #### does MLB have an equity stake in this company? I don't care for the leagues being involved with this. Don't say you don't want gambling involved in your sport until you find something they want to insinuate isn't gambling.

They wanted Pete Rose to have something to do in his spare time?

 

[bagger]

so states should ban lotteries as well, just preying on the low income

look the hypocrisy of legalizing the lotto is a whole other discussion. I agree it is ridiculous to have that legal and poker illegal as poker clearly has more skill but welcome to life where certain lobbyists win.The issue with DFS is worse than the lotto as they are misrepresenting the game that is being played.

 

[Ilov80s]

Hang on to your fantasy butts.

The hobby is about to get scrutinized like never before.

And if some self righteous Congressman gets a bug up his bunghole about it it'll be the beginning of the end of the hobby as we know it.

Greed wins and destroys again.

Probably a Congressman from a State with legal casinos. I know the casino lobby can't love DFS.

 

[bagger]

Seeing the ownership % would give you a small advantage but not a meaningful one. It's not hard to guess the rough ownership percentages already.

if that is true why did the guy who had this advantage place astronomically high in multiple events? It matters. A lot. Like if FD or DK offered a premium subscription service to give this information away overwhelmingly the people would this information would be more profitable than those that didn't. Your assumption could not be more wrong.

But good luck. Although I guess you don't need it if you think it is easy to be better than algorithms with information off the top of your head.

 

[Plorfu]

Algorithms, Shmalgorithms. I have Twitter, my buddy Piker and good ol' fashioned street smarts.